Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time. Mr. Speaker, when we test the arguments made on the floor of the House on a major piece of legislation such as this, it is important to test the…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, when we test the arguments made on the floor of the House on a major piece of legislation such as this, it is important to test the credibility of those arguments. The best way to test that credibility is to first of all tell Members a fairy tale.
Once upon a time Bill Clinton proposed Medicare prescription drug coverage for America. Once upon a time my Democratic friends, the gentleman from California (Mr. Stark), the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Dingell), the gentleman from California (Mr. Waxman), the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel), the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Brown), and many others introduced a bill, H.R. 1495.
Once upon a time Democrats recommended a bill with a $200 deductible, 80 percent cost sharing by the government up to $1,700 of drug expenses, a doughnut hole, and then $3,000 out-of-pocket catastrophic coverage with no defined premium. And guess what, once upon a time their bill provided that the benefits would be provided through a PBM. Members might ask how would the PBM be selected: By competitive bidding.
Members might further ask how would the contracts be awarded under this privatization of Medicare, and the answer in a fairy tale world would be shared risk capitation of performance. But the truth is this is not a fairy tale. It happens to be the truth. That was the Democratic proposal on Medicare prescription drugs, but tonight Democrats have come to the floor one after the other and criticized this plan because it contained many of those same features. Different, however, in some respects because this plan provides better coverage for seniors on the bottom. In fact, while some of my friends came to the floor and called this a sad day and said how sorry they were for the citizens of California, this bill we proposed would put 1.4 million California senior citizens in plans that would cost them no premiums, no deductibles, free entry for drugs in California for 1.4 million senior citizens, half a million in Indiana, half a million in Ohio, half a million in Pennsylvania, almost a million in Texas, and so on and so forth, free drug coverage under this plan, and yet the fantasy plan offered by the Clinton administration just a few years ago containing many of the same elements is somehow forgotten. It is somehow put away in a closet. It is somehow not to be remembered, and this plan is to be attacked. When we test credibility of arguments on the floor of the House, test them against the reality of the plan offered by the Democrats and the reality of the plan offered today.
I want to thank the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Dingell) for the courtesies and the respect and the statesmanship he has always shown me in debates in committee and on the floor of House. The gentleman is a dear friend. I wish I could say that about all Members all the time. But let me say something, I am offended that anyone would come to this floor and accuse anyone in this House of wanting to get old people. Do Members think for a second they love their moms and dads any more than we love ours?
I ask the gentleman from California (Mr. Stark), do you really believe that? God bless them. That is the sort of unstatesmanship that should never enter the halls of this House.
There is nobody in this House that loves their mother more than I love my mother. I challenge Members on that. She is a three-time cancer survivor, she is 84 years old, and she won first place at the Senior Olympics this year in shotput, and if you give her trouble, I will sic her on you.
There are Members who have come to the floor and said seniors cannot understand choice. Let me tell Members something, I grew up in a poverty family. My mom and dad never earned above poverty. They made hard choices all their life for us. They sent three out of their four children to college. They fed and clothed us and gave us a great education and a chance for me to come to Congress. I love that woman and I loved my dad as long as I had him. How dare anyone suggest otherwise. We love our parents and grandparents the same.
We differ on how to structure this program today. Apparently we did not a few years ago, but we do now. That is a legitimate debate and that is worthy of this House, but to suggest that any of us care less about old people, to suggest that any of us love those citizens who gave so much and made those hard choices for us any less than we do is a shame. My parents made hard choices. My mother knows how to make hard choices. If we give her choices, she will make the right ones, just like she did all her life. I trust her and I trust seniors in America. We are going to give them drug coverage in Medicare and we are going to give them other choices, too, if they want to make those choices. And if Members do not want to help us do it today, I suggest in a month from now when the conference
committee report is back after a compromise with the Senate, you might want to join us then.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks on H.R. 1.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 15 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Thomas) or his designee, and ask unanimous consent that he may control that time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Let me join in expressing the sorrow of the folks in Louisiana for your loss in South Carolina. We will pray for his soul.
Mr. Speaker, the Democratic substitute in this debate can be summed up rather easily. According to CBO, it will spend over a trillion dollars. It busts the budget. Therefore, it is on the floor with a budget waiver. It at the same time excludes and does not contain any of the reforms that the base bill includes, that are designed to save Medicare from failure, from insolvency. I am not predicting Medicare's failure or insolvency. CBO is. CRS is. Everyone who has estimated the strength of our Medicare system predicts very soon, in our lifetimes, it will go insolvent. None of the reforms that are designed to save Medicare from insolvency are here. In fact, the Democratic substitute piles on a trillion dollars' worth of expenses to the Medicare system with no reforms to make sure the system is saved.
When I mentioned earlier that you ought to test the credibility of arguments on this floor by what is said and what is fact and what is of record, let me take you back to the statements of the distinguished gentlewoman from California who criticized the base bill because CBO said it might mean that as much as 30 percent or so of employers might drop their retiree coverage under the base bill in favor of the plans we offer. CBO estimated the Democratic substitute, too, on that point.
How credible is an argument against the base bill that complains about a potential 30 percent loss of employer coverage when CBO estimates that 100 percent of employers will drop retiree coverage under the Democratic substitute? That all taxpayer dollars will be used to substitute private dollars? And the Medicare system, already crushed and about to go into insolvency, will have to assume all that responsibility, too? If you really believe in Medicare, why would you burden it so? Why would you eliminate private coverage in America, as CBO estimates would happen under the Democratic substitute?
This substitute busts our budget. It purports to provide more drug coverage than the base bill but no reforms, it does not save Medicare; and on top of that it virtually eliminates private retiree coverage in America. Why would we want to go that direction? We rejected that direction during the Clinton years when Mrs. Clinton presented us with one-size-fits-all health care for all Americans. We recognized then that if you do not have the competitive choices in America in health care, just as we do with so many other services, that things go bad in this country and that sooner or later the crushing weight of benefits added upon benefits added upon benefits means the working people of America have to pay more and more and more taxes. In fact, it is estimated that within 70 years, if we do not begin today making decisions like we ask the House to make, entitlements in America will eat up every tax dollar paid into the Treasury by every citizen in America, and we will have no money for any other function in this country. That is where this substitute takes us, and that is why we need to reject it.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Greenwood), the chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the Committee on Energy and Commerce.
Mr. Speaker, it is almost like Minister of Information Baghdad Bob just arrived here.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 2 minutes.
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. Speaker, I do not yield.
Mr. Speaker, I want to illustrate one of the real inadequacies of the Democratic substitute. In the main bill we reformed something called average wholesale price. I hope everyone knows what that is. I am going to illustrate it for you tonight. Under average wholesale price systems built into Medicare by the Democratic Party all these years, this is what happens. A person goes in for cancer therapy, a senior citizen, and the doctor needs a drug that costs $10; so the doctor buys a chemotherapy drug for $10. The patient ought to have to pay $2 under that, 20 percent co-pay under law. But that is not what happens. Under the average wholesale price system devised by Democratic administrations in the past under Medicare, this is what happens. The government has a phony average wholesale price posted. It might be $200 for that drug that only costs the doctor $10, and the poor patient has to put up 20 percent, not of the $10 but 20 percent of the $200. The patient puts up $40 for a drug that only costs the doctor $10 when the patient should have put up $2. That is called the average wholesale price system. It is rotten. It stinks. Our bill gets rid of it. And we replace it by reimbursing oncologists in America for not one time what their practice expense really ought to be reimbursed under the law, but we double it.
We give them $430 million, twice what CMS estimates they ought to get.
So we get rid of this stinky system that is charging American seniors 20 percent of phoney prices and costing the government Medicare system tens of times what the drugs are really costing the doctors, and we replace it with a rational, a rational reimbursement system.
Now, the Democrats try to settle that system too. Let me tell my colleagues what they do in their substitute. They substitute this average wholesale price system with a system of reimbursement that, according to CBO estimates, is going to cost $14 billion over 10 years; and it is going to cost seniors another $3 billion of copays. We ought to reject that solution.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Cunningham), our fighter pilot commander extraordinaire.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I want to point out that despite what you may have heard on the floor tonight, our basic package contains $27.2 billion of assistance to rural health care. That is the largest package of rural health care we have ever voted on all the times we have voted on Medicare prescription drugs.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Upton), the chairman of the Subcommittee on Telecommunications and the Internet of the Committee on Energy and Commerce.
(Mr. UPTON asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, may I inquire how many minutes are left for each one of the four who have allocated time.
Mr. Speaker, we reserve the balance of our time. If anyone wants to use some more time at this time would be a good time to do it.