Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be dispensed with. Mr. President, that time will be taken off my colleague's time. Mr. President, I have a parliamentary…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be dispensed with.
Mr. President, that time will be taken off my colleague's time.
Mr. President, I have a parliamentary inquiry. I ask that the quorum be suspended so I can make a parliamentary inquiry.
I ask unanimous consent and I would like to make a parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. President, I thank my colleague from Nevada.
There is a lot of interest in this bill. People want to do something for our young people. People want to avoid these horrible situations. My friend cited the case of a young woman who was raped by her father, yet in this bill, the father retains all rights to take her over a State line. Can you imagine, to sign a parental consent form, a father who raped his daughter? So we want to correct these problems.
I yield 5 minutes to Senator Patty Murray and then 2\1/2\ minutes to Senator Lautenberg at the close of the debate.
Mr. President, I was told we have until 5 after, equally divided.
I thank the Chair. It is the first time all day I have been correct.
I yield to Senator Murray 5 minutes and then, at the end of the debate, Senator Lautenberg for 2\1/2\ minutes.
Mr. President, before we yield the 2\1/2\ minutes, this issue of incest is extraordinary. The bill as written ``protects the predators on our children who have committed incest.'' All you have to do is read it. These parents, these fathers, retain their parental rights in the bill. And even under the Ensign amendment it says they cannot sue a friendly person for helping their daughter. The government under this bill can still go after a grandma, or a clergyman who says to a young child, Let me help you, your father raped you. Those vicious criminals retain all their rights. It is an absolute outrage.
The point is, why I am in favor of the Lautenberg amendment is the Lautenberg amendment says let us take a step back, let us prevent these pregnancies. And if people want to vote against teen pregnancy prevention, I guess they have a right to do that. How they would explain it is beyond me. We are talking 800,000 teenagers who get pregnant, and in about 18 percent it was not intended.
I thank Senator Lautenberg and yield to him the remaining time before the vote.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
I want to go back to the Lautenberg-Menendez amendment. It is extraordinary to me; when we try to talk about common ground on the issue of pregnancy prevention, doesn't my colleague believe one area we ought to all come together on, regardless of whether we call ourselves pro-choice or anti-choice, would be preventing pregnancies among teens?
If my friend will further yield, is my friend aware there are 800,000 pregnancies among young women and that we could prevent these unwanted pregnancies and all of the attendant upset among families and that we had an opportunity to do that?
Here we had a chance to do something to prevent these unintended pregnancies. This bill focuses on a small number of cases. It seems to me by two votes we lost that vote. It is an issue, wouldn't my friend say?
Mr. President, I yield myself time off the bill. How many minutes is remaining on our side on the general debate on the bill?
Mr. President, I have not yet had a chance to lay out my objections to this bill. I would like a chance to do that and, of course, those objections have just been elevated given the fact that by just two slim votes, we failed to adopt teen pregnancy prevention legislation, which is, of course, one of the most important issues we face in our society today. We have 800,000 young women whose pregnancies could have been prevented if they had such education.
Here we are dealing with a bill that seems to come back before the Senate every election for reasons that the other side can explain. Instead of tackling the issues of health care for our young people, insurance for our young people, pregnancy prevention for our young people, we are dealing with an issue that impacts just a few people. But so be it.
The good news is, we have had a debate on teen pregnancy prevention. The whole country got to see it, and they got to see where the votes lined up. It is pretty clear.
The other good news is that we had a debate on stem cell research, and we saw a very similar situation where we picked up a few votes on the other side but not enough votes. The President vetoed stem cell research. You want to talk about a health issue, you want to talk about helping the health of our young people who have juvenile diabetes or those who are paralyzed because of an accident; if you want to talk about helping people with Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. But oh no, the President vetoed that. Another four or five votes in this Chamber could have made the difference between having stem cell research and not. But now we are not going to have it.
Frankly, in my State, we took matters into our own hands, and Republicans and Democrats together voted for stem cell research, and we have a $3 billion program. This isn't a partisan issue in my State. But oh boy, it is a partisan issue here. It just shows how far to the right we have come in the national debate.
So instead of doing something to improve a lot of our people, we are looking at this small issue. We are looking at a bill that, as it is now drafted, protects incest predators. We are working on that, hoping to come to some joint approach that can stop that problem, or part of it anyway.
As drafted, this bill throws grandmothers in jail and violates our Constitution. I would say this bill has a problem.
Again, we tried to make it better, but even our amendments did not go far enough. We did not have an exception for rape. If a young girl gets raped and she runs to the most trusted adult she knows, perhaps her grandma, and her grandma takes her into her loving arms because she is too scared to go to her parents for whatever reason. We have situations and I will share those with you where girls were so fearful, so frightened, and with good reason, that they couldn't go to their parents. So they go to a loving grandmother. And guess what? Under this bill, the parents can sue the grandmother. Unbelievable. That is Big Brother all right. Talk about family values interfering straight in. It is unbelievable.
We tried to fix the thrust of this bill to add on a Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act. We couldn't do it.
So this bill, at the end of the day, focuses on a small number of young women crossing State lines with an adult to get an abortion and ignores 800,000 pregnancies which could have been prevented.
We had our chance. We had our chance, but, oh no, it is going to be
about political correctness. It is going to be about rightwing ideology. Oh no, we can't do that.
This bill does nothing to increase communications between parents and teens. It does nothing to stop sexual predators. Most young women who become pregnant already turn to their parents for help.
This is a wonderful country. We have loving families, for the most part, loving open families who say to their kids, as I certainly did to mine, and my husband did: Anything you have on your mind, you just come to us. You feel free to tell us. That is how it should be.
When I was a child, my mother said I could tell her anything, and I did. I told her anything. She loved me unconditionally and helped me through whatever problem I might have had.
With my own children, I tried to emulate my mother. I hope and I think I did that. They are now grown. They take care of me.
But what about young people who don't have that warm feeling in their families? What about the millions of victims of violence and abuse? This bill, as it is drafted, hurts just those victims. It doesn't mean to. That is not the purpose of it. But we have found out in our lives that some bills have unintended consequences, and this one sure does.
As this bill is drafted, a father who commits incest and takes his daughter over a State line--we are trying to fix it, and we hope we can fix it--that father has rights under this bill. It is an outrage.
Nearly half of pregnant teens who have been abused or assaulted are found to be abused and assaulted by a family member. That is the sad truth. Thirty percent of minors who don't tell their parents have experienced violence in the home. In other words, they are too fearful to go to the home where they have suffered violence. They fear violence or they worry that, in a rage, their parents will kick them out if they tell them they have become pregnant.
Don't we want them to be safe and secure? Don't we want them to have help from a caring adult? I would hope so. But under this bill, a clergy member who really cares about the family could be sued by parents who abuse their children. A loving grandma or a loving aunt could be sued. Oh, there are no exceptions allowed.
Senator Feinstein, unfortunately, is suffering from the flu and cannot be here today. She had an amendment--she cannot offer it--that would have exempted caring clergy and caring relatives. She couldn't be here.
This bill is so imperfect that I cannot begin to count the ways.
In my State, as I mentioned previously, parental notification laws have been voted down. In general, we all want to have adult consent. I believe it is important to help guide a young person through such a decision. But when we look at some of the unintended consequences of these bills and the fine print of these bills, we find that they are going to have the opposite effect of what we want. Instead of helping the minor, it puts her at risk.
We know some specific cases: A 12-year-old whose pediatrician discovered she was pregnant. It turned out the rapist was her stepfather and the mother wasn't living with the girl. The doctors recommended that her Aunt Vicki bring her to a specialist in a neighboring State. She was only 12 years old, the aunt said. It is bad enough to go through incest, but then to have a child from that incest. We should all agree that only the father should go to jail, not the caring relative, Aunt Vicki.
I know it is very difficult to talk about this topic, but some very sick people do rape. Fathers do rape, uncles do rape and even impregnate their daughters.
Look at these newspaper stories from around the country.
``An American Tragedy.'' This is from The Oregonian:
A 13-year-old girl in Idaho whose father had impregnated
her. . . . the morning she was supposed to have an abortion,
her father, who admitted his guilt, walked into her room with
a rifle . . . shot her in the head and then he shot himself.
How does this bill prevent that? This bill will frighten a girl, make her more alone because she can't go to a caring adult because a caring adult could be sued by a parent. So she is scared. She gets in a car. She drives over the State line by herself. She is all alone. The father finds out, grabs her. She has no protection. He shoots her, shoots himself.
What are we doing here? Why don't you look at what you are doing. Why don't you look at the practical impact of what you are doing?
Here is another: ``Teen Accuses Father of Rape,'' The Journal News, Westchester County, NY.
. . . man was arrested and charged with first degree rape
of his teenage daughter. The man tried to force his daughter
to take an unknown pill to cause a miscarriage because he
believed she was pregnant.
This happens too often.
``Father Sentenced for Raping Daughters,'' Newark Advocate:
Man convicted of raping his two daughters. . . . the girls
were 13 and 17 at the time of the crimes.
``Man Charged with Incest is Arrested in North Carolina'':
Police said a father raped and impregnated his 16-year-old
daughter and raped his step-daughter who is mentally and
physically disabled.
The way this bill has come to us from the committee protects the father. Senator Ensign and I are working hard--and I hope we can reach agreement--to solve the problems of this bill. But the way the bill passed the other body, they didn't pay any attention to this. Wonderful, we pass a bill that protects fathers who rape their daughter. It is basically a bill that, all of that incest aside, really will wind up in a young woman getting into a car on her own, frightened to death to tell her parents, and driving alone.
``Ordeal Ended/Dad's Arrest Ends Years of Rape for Teen,'' Newsday.
For years, a convicted child sex offender used his Bronx
home as a pornographic movie studio for sex videos of himself
and his young daughter. The girl had tried at least once to
alert someone--her mother . . . her mother took no action.
``Her mother took no action.'' As Senator Ensign and I try to reach an agreement on an incest amendment, let me be clear: We are not going to reach that mother. I, if I go along with this, am giving up a lot of my amendment. This is still an imperfect bill, and I will show you in a checklist my amendment versus the Ensign amendment and what we try to do in our amendment.
The Ensign amendment, as was originally proposed--we support it-- stops a father who has raped his daughter from suing the trusted adult who helped his daughter end the resulting pregnancy. We applaud that amendment, and that amendment will hopefully be adopted.
But we don't stop with that because the Ensign amendment doesn't go far enough. We want to stop a father who has raped his daughter from exercising any parental consent rights. We want to stop all criminal prosecution or jail time for a trusted adult who helps a victim of incest.
Imagine under this bill a child goes running to a nextdoor neighbor whom she loves, a kind of an aunt to her, and she says: Please help me, please help me. I am pregnant. My father raped me. I can't go in that house. I can't tell my mother. My mother won't believe me. The nextdoor neighbor helps her. Under this bill the mother and the father can sue. We have to fix that. We are not going to fix it today. We can't reach all of what I am trying to do because I can't get agreement on the other side. It is still going to be an awful problem.
We also stop a father who has raped his daughter, or any other family member who has committed incest against a minor, from transporting her across State lines to obtain an abortion.
We don't want these perpetrators of incest to take their victims across the State line. We are working hard under the parameters of this bill to address the issue of incest.
At the end of the day, if our negotiations go well, we will have taken care of two of the five Boxer provisions. Will I be happy that these three provisions are not taken care of? No. I am not happy. It is outrageous that we can't get it all done. So be it. Let the people judge. But we will do as much as we can to improve this bill.
This bill as written protects the rights of brutal fathers. There are not many out there, but there are some.
There is only one thing that we can do to make matters worse than parental consent: that is giving these sexual predators more power over their children to keep on perpetrating these acts
and then saying they know how to handle it. They can handle it. Just take a child in the car and go.
The bill as written actually forces some young incest victims to get permission from their rapist fathers to get an abortion. Can you imagine? We have to fix that. And it allows the predator fathers to take their daughters across State lines.
We are trying hard to reach an agreement to take care of this problem. I am grateful that we may get two-fifths of the way there on my amendment.
I will work hard if this bill becomes law to fix this bill. I will introduce legislation to fix this bill. I will also prepare legislation that goes further than this and says if someone is a victim of rape and they are fearful of telling their parents, that parent, adult, or grandma can't be sued.
We really have a long way to go. This bill has many problems. It sends a message to young girls: Go it alone. Avoid all of this. Get in your car and go it alone. Don't take anyone with you. If you get in trouble at your moment of need, this bill says go it alone. She can go across the State line on her own. This bill doesn't do anything about it--only if she has a parent with her to help her.
I believe this bill is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has been clear that abortion restrictions must not impose an undue burden on women, and they must include a health exception. There is no health exception in this bill. If a doctor takes a girl across State lines because he worries about her health, and if she doesn't get an abortion right away and faces paralysis or faces infertility, there is no exception in this bill. The doctor can be sued.
What kind of message are we sending to young women? Go it alone. What kind of message are we sending to fathers who commit incest or mothers who turn a blind eye to it? Oh, don't worry. You are protected. Maybe Boxer will get two of her provisions, but we are not going to give you the five. I thought it was one nation under God, indivisible.
I didn't think when we cross over State lines we are going to have the pregnancy police look in our cars. This is unconstitutional. You don't have to carry the laws of your own State on your back. If you go through another State and there is a speed limit that is different than the one you live in, you obey the laws of the State you are in. That is the law you carry on your back, not the State you left. No one could go gambling in Nevada if we said: If you live in Tennessee and no gambling is allowed, you can't go gamble in Nevada because you will be arrested by the police at the border.
There are different criminal acts and different penalties in different States. Some have tough laws. We know that. States have rights.
We find it interesting how someone only supports the States when they agree with them. But if they don't agree with that State's law, then they try to force another State's law onto the State with which they disagree. I don't know of any other law in history, with the exception of the Fugitive Slave Act, that has required citizens to carry the laws of their own State on their backs. That was back in the days of slavery. If you ran away to another State, you were still stolen property until the court said no.
If you look at the constitutionality issue, if you look at the fact that victims of rape are left in deep trouble, as are victims of incest, if you look at the fact that good, kind, loving people like grandmas and grandfathers could go to jail for helping their granddaughter--no matter how you look at this bill, I believe you should come to the conclusion that this bill has major problems.
Parental consent--you know something, Senator Ensign is right. People support the idea that a parent should be contacted by their child and talked to when a child has an unintended pregnancy. We want that so much. I want that so much.
I also want kids to know they could talk to their grandma, they could talk to their grandpa, they could talk to their clergy, they could get help when they need it.
I don't believe the American people support throwing grandma in jail because she embraced her granddaughter and said: My God, I am worried that your parents, your dad might hurt you if you tell the truth. She throws her arms around the granddaughter and protects her and helps her through a crisis.
I believe stopping an abortion is worth preventing a teen from having a lifetime of paralysis, infertility, or worse, and yet there is no health exception in this bill. I think people want us to stop using this issue as a political football.
I know who brought this up. It is brought up by the other side of the aisle every time we have an election.
I hope we can join hands to stop teen pregnancies. We had a chance to do it. But no, we had a vote and we lost that vote. It is unreal. We got a couple of Republicans, but not enough.
I hope the American people are watching this debate. If our goal is to help our young people--and that is the stated goal--there are a lot of ways we could help rather than scaring them to death and making them go it alone in a desperate situation, making criminals of their grandmas and their grandpas and their clergy.
I am sad that the Teen Pregnancy Prevention Act didn't pass as part of this bill. It would have made this bill better. I am glad that we are going to have some coming together on the incest amendment, although as I said, it is only going to take care of two of the five problems we have relating to the bill. But at least we are making a bit of progress.
The bill, to me, is blatantly unconstitutional. It violates our core principles of federalism. It puts caring adults in jail and endangers the health and lives of our most vulnerable teens. On that basis it ought to be defeated.
I believe this bill will pass. I also believe our incest amendment will pass. I think that is important. We should have two votes on that. I think it is important to have those recorded votes so that the message goes to the House that their bill blatantly helps the predators. I call it the ``Incest Predators Protection Act.'' Thank you very much. I know my time is up. I yield the remainder of my time at this time.
Mr. President, again, for the benefit of our colleagues, we are waiting patiently to have the amendment we agreed on to come before us. Then we are hoping at the right time, Senator Ensign will make a unanimous consent request for a vote on an amendment we have agreed on, and then vote on final passage. So hopefully we will have that done very soon. As soon as it is done, I will yield the floor and allow the Senator, the good Senator from Nevada, to make his unanimous consent request.
The Senator from Nevada wants to protect our daughters. He is a dad of a daughter. I am a mom of a daughter. I want to protect our daughters. So let's not get confused on this point. We all want to protect our daughters. We all adore them. We want them to be safe, and we want them to get the help they need. We want them healthy. We want them well. We do not want them afraid.
But I do fear that this bill, the way it is drafted--and, yes, we are going to make a little bit of a correction on the incest part, but not as much as we should, but some--we are going to make some progress, and I am grateful for that. Basically, the way this bill is drafted, it is going to frighten our daughters because here is the way it works, folks: If you are a young woman in a parental notification State, you will take matters into your own hands because you are too frightened to go to your parents.
Now, we all hope all parents will be open and loving and caring and helpful and will be able to be approached when a young woman becomes pregnant and it is an unintended pregnancy. We would hope and pray that family, that loving family, will sit around and talk about what ought to happen here, what is the best thing for everybody. I am pro-choice. I am for whatever the family decides. If they decide that the best thing is to raise that child in the family, that is their choice. If they decide
it is best if the young woman exercises her right to choose, which is her right in this country--and has been since 1973--she has that right.
That is what we hope happens, that there will be these conversations. Of course, my friends on the other side of the aisle do not want a choice. They want to force her to have the child. They are against Roe v. Wade, but that is another debate. That is a debate we take to the people, and that is a debate that the pro-choice people win. They do not want Senator Boxer or Senator Ensign involved in that family discussion, saying: But, no, you must have this child. You must not have any rights to choose. They do not want that. People do not feel comfortable with it. They want to deal with this their own way, with their own God, with their own family, with their loving family members. But that is not before us.
What is before us is a very narrow bill that deals with a very narrow circumstance where there is a young woman who does not go to her parents, mostly because she is scared to death to go to them. For whatever reasons, in her mind, she is fearful: Will they--if she is from a violent home--beat her up? Will they hurt her? Will they verbally abuse her? Will they be disappointed? And that weighs on her.
So what we are saying with this bill to that girl in a parental notification State is: You are alone. You can't go to anyone else. You can't go to your grandma who you adore, you can't go to your grandpa, you can't go to your big sister, you can't go to your Aunt Susan, you can't go to your clergy who has taken care of you and looked after you.
So you can't go to your doctor. You can't do this because they could be sued and put in jail. That is what this bill does. Is that America? Rather than go to the people who she knows who adore her, love her, care about her, would counsel her, would help her and, perhaps, by the way, talk her into speaking to her parents or going with her to speak to her parents, this bill says: Go it alone, get in your car, get in an airplane, don't take anyone with you, don't tell anyone else, because that person can be sued and, worse, put in jail.
These are our kids. My God, what a situation. And somehow this is supposed to be a wonderful thing we are doing, a family-values thing we are doing. I don't think you can force families into these situations. We don't know enough to be able to do that. There will be unintended consequences. We will have suicides. We will have very serious problems.
As we wait around here in these last moments of this debate--and I am hopeful we can bring it to a close--let me say again that I thank Senator Ensign for coming my way, not quite halfway, on the issue of incest. Because the bill as written allowed a father who raped his daughter to have all kinds of parental rights: the right to sign an agreement that she could have an abortion, the right to take her over State lines, the right to sue a loving and caring adult who helped her.
I wish to show this chart which I have shown previously. Under this amendment we are hoping is coming to us momentarily, we will stop a father who has raped his daughter from suing the trusted adult who helped his daughter end the resulting pregnancy. So in the case of incest, if the child goes to grandma, the incestuous father cannot sue grandma.
Then, at the end, Senator Ensign was not willing to take these three provisions which I will debate. He did take my last provision.
We now stop a father who has raped his daughter or any other family member who has committed incest against a minor from transporting her across State lines to obtain an abortion. That would be a crime.
The three things that are not done, which is why I think this amendment falls short: we haven't stopped a father who has raped his daughter from exercising parental consent rights; we haven't stopped all criminal prosecution or jail time for a trusted adult who helped a victim of incest; and we haven't stopped all civil suits against a trusted adult who helped a victim of incest. But we have taken care of two issues. For that I am grateful because this bill will become law. It will be sent to the President, who will sign it. Unlike his veto on the stem cell bill, which he should have signed, because that bill would help our families, help our children with juvenile diabetes, help grandmas and grandpas with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, help our youngsters who were paralyzed--he vetoed that. He will sign this one.
This is a political bill. It did come to us in 1998 just before the election. Let's face facts. We know when it came.
My friend from Nevada is right when he says people support parental notification. They do want to believe we could all to go our parents with these problems. But let me tell you what they don't want. They don't want to give incest predators any rights whatsoever. They would want to make an exception in this bill for rape victims so that if you are a victim of rape and you were too scared to tell your parents, you could go to your grandmother, but not under this bill. A victim of rape, you are too scared to tell your parents because of the circumstances--maybe it was date rape, maybe you just can't explain it. Maybe you are frightened to death. You go to your grandma. She could be sued by the parents and she could be put in jail by the Federal Government. Send your grandma to jail. That is what we are doing here today. Why? Because she loved her granddaughter, because she was there for her granddaughter, and because by stepping in, she may have really saved a tragedy from occurring.
I don't believe the American people want us to be this radical. I think they would have wanted us to do more exceptions to this bill. Seventy percent of the American people oppose abortion laws that put people in jail. I don't believe Americans think that stopping an abortion is worth causing a teen a lifetime of paralysis, infertility, or worse. This bill, if it does get signed into law, and I say it will, and unless it is overturned by the courts, which I think it might be, but if it isn't, it basically will put these young women in a situation where they feel the world is closing in on them. That is not right.
I will close my debate and urge a ``yes'' vote on the Boxer-Ensign amendment that will go part way toward solving the predator incest issue. Then I would urge a ``no'' vote on the underlying bill because of all the problems it creates that we have not been able to address.
I thank the staffs on both sides. We have had a long and difficult day, emotional issues for us all. Yet we have handled it in such a way that I am hopeful that momentarily we will have a unanimous consent request to resolve the procedures governing the rest of the evening.
I yield back my time and suggest the absence of a quorum.
I only need 30 seconds.
Mr. President, I send an amendment to the desk and ask for its immediate consideration.
I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
I thank Senator Ensign. I had an amendment to solve this incest predator problem. He came to me almost halfway. We didn't quite get there, but it is a start. Again, for the benefit of my colleagues, two out of five provisions I wanted are in this amendment. This amendment stops a father who has raped his daughter from suing the trusted adult who helped his daughter end the resulting pregnancy, and it stops a father who has raped his daughter or any other family member who has committed incest against a minor from transporting her across State lines. This is an improvement. The reason we want to have a vote on it is because we hope it is a strong statement going into the conference on this bill. Again, we still need to fix many more provisions of this bill.
I believe, at the end of the day, it doesn't make our teenagers any safer. It will make them fearful. It will make them feel alone. I think the bill is unconstitutional. I hope we have some ``no'' votes to send a message that this bill needs a lot more work.
I thank Senator Ensign and his staff and my staff. It has been a tough day.
I yield the floor.