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Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
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June 16, 2005
Referred to the House Committee on International Relations.
June 16, 2005
Ms. Ros-Lehtinen moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended.
July 18, 2005 • 3:30 PM
Considered under suspension of the rules. (consideration: CR H5923-5925)
July 18, 2005 • 3:30 PM
DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Res. 326.
July 18, 2005 • 3:30 PM
At the conclusion of debate, the Yeas and Nays were demanded and ordered. Pursuant to the provisions of clause 8, rule XX, the Chair announced that further proceedings on the motion would be postponed.
July 18, 2005 • 3:42 PM
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July 20, 2005 • 6:36 PM
Passed/agreed to in House: On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 416 - 1 (Roll no. 400).(text: CR 7/18/2005 H5923)
July 20, 2005 • 6:43 PM
On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 416 - 1 (Roll no. 400). (text: CR 7/18/2005 H5923)
July 20, 2005 • 6:43 PM
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
July 20, 2005 • 6:43 PM
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Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield? Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding. Mr. Chairman, the chairman and I are prepared to deal with all members of the committee on their ideas. We…
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, the chairman and I are prepared to deal with all members of the committee on their ideas. We have explored the issue of the appropriate level of economic and military aid to Egypt; and the committee, as well as the House, has acted on this matter. But as with all matters, we have an open mind to discuss additional and new ideas.
Mr. Chairman, I am not opposed to the amendment, but I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, passport security is a critical issue, and we need to be sure that the administration is doing everything it can to ensure that only U.S. citizens receive U.S. passports. However, while we are prepared to accept this amendment, we hope we can make some modifications as the legislative process moves forward.
Birth certificates are used by the State Department to help establish the nationality of an applicant, not their identity, and the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 establishes a Federal process to standardize U.S. birth certificates. The State Department is a full participant in that process, along with other Federal agencies, the States and the association that represents the registrars of vital statistics. That process should be allowed to run its course, and it would be counterproductive for the Department of State to establish its own criteria for evaluating birth certificates.
In addition, it is unclear whether the training mandated by this provision should be the responsibility of the State Department or the U.S. Postal Service, which employs most of the passport acceptance agents.
We hope to address these issues as this amendment moves forward.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I am not opposed to the amendment; I ask
unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Before I comment substantively on the gentleman's amendment, let me pay tribute to the gentleman from New Jersey (Chairman Smith) for his leadership in this House in our joined fight against trafficking.
Mr. Chairman, there is no disagreement among Members of this body as to whether overseas recipients of U.S. HIV/AIDS funds should be promoting prostitution or trafficking. They obviously should not. To this end, in the original HIV/AIDS legislation Congress required that any grantee or subgrantee legally certify that they have a written policy against prostitution and trafficking.
This amendment, if approved, will place an onerous burden on the thinly staffed administrators of the global HIV/AIDS program to prepare within 90 days a report listing hundreds of grants and subgrants and retrieving policy statements from each one to satisfy the amendment. If Congress wants to set forth specific and reasonable guidelines for NGOs to follow, that is a different matter and should be addressed appropriately.
Mr. Chairman, because I support the intent of this amendment, I will not oppose it, but I believe that there are less burdensome ways to achieve this end, particularly by allowing for a greater period of time to prepare this information. I hope we will have a chance to work out appropriate language in conference.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I do not oppose this amendment, and I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to commend my friend from Iowa for offering this amendment. As the amendment soberly points out, 52 American citizens have been murdered by Palestinian terrorists since the PLO forswore the use of violence in the 1993 Oslo Accords.
This amendment acts, in effect, as a memorial, recording the name of each victim and offering condolences to their families.
It also demands that the Palestinian Authority work with Israel to protect all innocent individuals, of whatever citizenship, from terrorist atrocities. This is an important message at any time, but particularly now as Israel prepares to undertake a historic disengagement from the Gaza Strip. The Palestinian Authority must do its best, and it certainly has not done so lately, to ensure that this disengagement takes place in an orderly fashion and not under a hail of grenades and Kassam rockets that would only cast doubt on the viability of a Palestinian controlled Gaza as a neighbor for Israel.
Mr. Chairman, I hope the Palestinian Authority takes the antiterrorist message of this resolution to heart.
Let me also say, Mr. Chairman, that as our distinguished Secretary of State, Dr. Condoleeza Rice, leaves for the region she could not be going at a more appropriate and urgent time, and she fully understands that her prime responsibility is to make it clear to the Palestinian Authority that it must guarantee order and peace by using its military forces in Gaza to break the back of militant terrorist groups.
I urge all of my colleagues to join in supporting this resolution.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to offer my sincere thanks to the chairman of the International Relations Committee (Mr. Hyde), my dear friend, for working closely with me in a joint effort to tackle the critical problem of declining rates of foreign students seeking to study in the United States.
I also want to thank the gentlewoman from Minnesota (Ms. McCollum), who has worked with us on this problem for years.
Mr. Chairman, opening doors to well-intentioned foreign students is as critical to the security of the United States as is the task of identifying those who are engaged in terrorism and other hostile acts against us.
Foreign students who come to the United States to study and disseminate the core values of the American people as they relate their positive firsthand experience when they return to their countries of origin.
The education of foreign students is a critical part of the United States economy as well, and it is a key American export. Not many people know, Mr. Chairman, the United States earns $13 billion a year in tuition and expenses paid to us by foreign students.
Since 9/11, U.S. colleges and universities have faced great challenges in retaining their competitive position in the market for foreign students. These challenges have begun to erode our dominance as the world's leading and most desired destination for foreign students. During the 2003-2004 academic year, according to the Institute for International Education, the number of international students studying in the United States declined by almost 2\1/2\ percent. This was the first overall year-to-year decline in the number of international students since the 1971-1972 school year.
It appears, Mr. Chairman, that much of the problem stems from negative misperceptions by potential foreign students about new U.S. visa processes and fears that the United States has become a less friendly place for them to study.
Mr. Chairman, my amendment seeks to address this problem by encouraging the Department of State to work with the U.S. educational and academic community and with other Federal agencies to develop effective practices aimed at reversing these negative perceptions so that we may once again re-establish our competitive position as the choice destination for the world's best and brightest international students. I urge all of my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I want to thank my good friends, Chairman Hyde and Chairman Smith, for their words and their comments. I hope we can all support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I am not opposed to the amendment. I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I commend my good friend from Florida for offering this important amendment to increase the flow of objective information about the United States and world events into Venezuela. Recently, Reuters reported that Chavez had launched a new television station, Telesur, to counter what he considers to be pro-globalization bias in European and American news networks, like CNN. Chavez has also reportedly entered into a $200 million deal with China's National Space Administration to launch a satellite into orbit from which he could beam his anticipated hateful media content into homes across Latin America, the Caribbean and beyond.
As Chavez ramps up his information campaign, we should be prepared to present balanced news to the people of Venezuela so that they can be better able to make informed decisions about the activities of their government. I encourage all of my colleagues to support the amendment of my friend from Florida.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition to the amendment, although I do not object to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I strongly support this amendment and urge all of my colleagues to do so as well. The bilateral relationship between the United States and China has become increasingly complex and nuanced over the past decade. A new generation of Chinese diplomats has come into power, fluent in the language of diplomacy and international negotiations.
Unfortunately, the comments made by Chinese General Zhu demonstrate that key elements of the Chinese military continue to live in the long forgotten past when the United States and China were bitter enemies. General Zhu's comment that China might launch a preemptive nuclear strike against the United States in the event of a conflict over Taiwan are the height of lunacy, recklessness and irresponsibility. A nuclear strike by China against the United States would trigger a nuclear exchange which would
leave hundreds of millions of casualties.
China's political leadership fully understands that fact of life, and it is my hope that they will quickly repudiate General Zhu's comments and ease him into a long overdue retirement. I urge all of my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I wish to briefly respond to the comments by the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King) on efforts to promote abstinence in Africa.
America's efforts to stop the transmission of HIV/AIDS overseas are firmly based on the ABC model: Abstinence, Being faithful, and Condoms. As we have seen in Uganda, the successful reduction in HIV/AIDS infection rates is dependent upon using all three elements of the ABC approach, not simply one.
Our committee has conducted extensive investigations into U.S. HIV/ AIDS efforts abroad, and we have seen no evidence whatsoever that abstinence efforts are being denigrated by NGOs receiving U.S. funds. Groups across Africa receiving HIV/AIDS funds from our country are effectively implementing abstinence programs as part of the ABC model, exactly as Congress intended.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I thank my colleague for yielding me this time, and I strongly support this most important amendment by the distinguished gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson). I encourage all of my colleagues on both sides of the aisle to do the same.
Mr. Chairman, there is no doubt in my mind that our friend and ally, the country of Nigeria, should transfer Charles Taylor to the Special Court for Sierra Leone without any delay.
Taylor has been charged personally with 17 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity. These charges include mutilations, rape, sexual slavery, forced recruitment of child soldiers, child abduction, and multiple killings. Many Members of this Congress witnessed the testimony of some of Charles Taylor's child victims, all of whom had amputated arms and legs, their bodies disfigured, and their lives transformed forever.
Mr. Chairman, there will be no justice for the people of Sierra Leone until Charles Taylor stands in the dock. I urge my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I want to thank my friend for yielding me time.
Mr. Chairman, I want to commend the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson) for her continued leadership on behalf of the protection of intellectual property. The gentlewoman's amendment will provide a modest authorization of $5 million to assist less developed countries in their efforts to draft and to enforce laws aimed at protecting intellectual property in compliance with international treaties and agreements. This authorization would also be available to train judges and prosecutors in these countries in the proper application of new and existing statutes related to the protection of intellectual property.
Mr. Chairman, this is a very worthwhile amendment. The potential benefits to the American economy in terms of the protection of intellectual property of our artists and of our inventors that could result from this amendment passing are enormous, far outweighing its modest costs.
Mr. Chairman, I urge all of my colleagues to support this thoughtful measure.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong opposition to the Franks amendment. This amendment strikes an important provision of our legislation that requires the Department of State to report to Congress on the possibility of offering consular and visa services at the U.S.
office in Pristina, Kosova. Although the United States maintains a robustly staffed mission in Pristina, those Kosovars wishing to visit the United States must travel out of Kosova to receive consular and visa services.
Mr. Chairman, this is both inconvenient and expensive for the average Kosovar, who is not very wealthy, because many visa applications require multiple visits to a consulate outside of Kosova to places as far off as Skopje, Tirana, and Podgorica: three different countries and three different capitals.
The State Department says the current layout of the U.S. office in Pristina makes it difficult to provide adequate security to handle consular and visa matters there. The authorization bill, as written and passed by a vote of 44 to nothing by the Committee on International Relations, demonstrates the importance Congress places on providing consular and visa services in Pristina and having the State Department detail its plans for the future. It mandates no changes, but merely requires the Department of State to report to Congress on the matter as part of our oversight responsibilities.
Nor does it threaten to change the status of Kosova, as some proponents of this amendment may believe. In fact, the State Department affirms that there are no political or legal obstacles to opening a consulate in Kosova.
I urge all of my colleagues to defeat this needless amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Engel).
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment on behalf of the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Yes.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the amendment offered by my distinguished colleague, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
The Rio Grande, which separates El Paso in Texas from Ciudad Juarez in Mexico and is often dry, has been filled with the tears of countless families who grieve for a lost daughter, sister or mother who have fallen prey to a mastermind of murder and the reckless indifference of local Mexican law enforcement.
Since 1993, over 400 women have been murdered in the border region around El Paso and Ciudad Juarez. In the last year alone, over 30 women have been killed. According to Amnesty International, Mr. Chairman, at least 137 of the victims, more than half of whom were between the ages of 13 and 22, were sexually assaulted prior to being murdered.
Realizing the deliberate ineptitude of local law enforcement under whose jurisdiction these cases would normally fall, the Mexican Federal Government has begun to implement measures to prevent these abductions and murders in Ciudad Juarez, including by establishing a commission to coordinate Federal and State efforts, crafting a 40-point plan of action and appointing a special federal prosecutor.
Unfortunately, these efforts have not been enough to close the killing fields around this border town. Our own ambassador to Mexico has declared the area to be a public security concern and advised United States citizens against traveling there.
The amendment of my friend and colleague, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes), the Chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Task Force on International Relations, is a constructive provision that aims to raise the profile of these tragic cases and provide forensic assistance to our Mexican neighbors. I strongly encourage my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to my good friend, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes), the author of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes).
Mr. Chairman, I do not oppose the amendment, but I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
In any war, the belligerents have the right to detain enemy combatants until the conflict has ended. Otherwise, there would be no way to prevent enemies from returning to the battlefield.
There is, of course, an exactly parallel concern in the war on terrorism. We already know, Mr. Chairman, that a number of individuals released from detention have returned to the battlefield against us. That is a fact.
It is also a fact, however, that the war on terrorism is unlike other wars that this Nation has faced. It is a struggle against deadly forces of extremism and nihilism which cannot be found in a bounded geographical space or located at one particular base. And, as our experiences over the last few years have demonstrated, our enemy is resourceful, able to adapt to new conditions, and the end of the conflict may be decades away.
In this context, the war on terrorism brings us to new ground. The first question we have to ask as we deal with individuals who participate in this global terrorist conspiracy is, should we treat them with the propriety to which every human being is entitled? The answer to that question is an unequivocal yes. There should be no torture, no cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment, and no humiliation.
In this context, Mr. Chairman, I believe that the U.S. military is dealing with a very difficult situation not of their own making and doing a great job. I am not aware of a single detainee who has lost his life at Guantanamo. I am not aware of a single detainee who has lost his life at Guantanamo. Prisoners have been accorded nourishing and adequate food, quality medical care, access to the Koran, and visits from the International Committee of the Red Cross. And I believe that the U.S. military has investigated abuses whenever they have come up. We need to keep aggressive oversight, including trips by Members of this House, to ensure that this continues.
Indeed, closing Guantanamo could well have unintended consequences. We should recognize that Guantanamo is a safer and more humane facility than the facilities in Afghanistan and in many places around the world where others are being held against their will. If we closed Guantanamo, where will the detainees go? We have already seen tragic incidences where their home country has tortured those who have been returned.
A second and critical question, Mr. Chairman, is what type of process should detainees get and how long can they be held without some sort of trial. So far, all these questions have been addressed by both the executive and judicial branches, with very little involvement from the Congress.
For my part, I support the amendment, but I believe we need to have serious and thoughtful debate on how to deal with all of these facilities.
This amendment relates to one aspect of this issue. Both here and in the other body, we must begin to make our own judgments regarding these issues, and consider legislation as appropriate to address these complicated matters.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer) control the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition, although I do not oppose the basic thrust of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, as we engage in debate over this amendment, let us be clear about the terms. We in this Congress are all motivated by sincere convictions about what best serves the interest of our great nation, whether we oppose or advocate setting a date for early withdrawal from Iraq.
Regardless of where we stand on that issue, there is no justification for impugning the patriotism of any Member of this body.
Mr. Chairman, let me raise one additional preliminary matter which is a source of profound disappointment to me. There is no issue more important for this body to debate than Iraq. Nevertheless, the majority has ruled out of order several appropriate Democratic amendments that are germane to this debate.
In fact, the measure we are about to consider is the only one the majority has ruled in order regarding Iraq.
Let me say this to all of my colleagues across the political spectrum, and I say it as a strong supporter of freedom for the Iraqi people: by muzzling the minority, this body is setting an abysmal example of democratic procedure, and I deeply regret it.
Mr. Chairman, I am among those who oppose setting an arbitrary timetable for leaving Iraq. Announcing an early date of withdrawal before Iraqi forces are prepared to assume full responsibility for their country's security would allow the enemies of democracy and stability in Iraq simply to wait us out and to reverse all that our troops have struggled and sacrificed for in Iraq.
We have committed ourselves to Iraq's freedom from the type of barbarity that was inflicted upon it by Saddam Hussein and that would surely be inflicted upon it again were the terrorists to win this war. Our mission in Iraq will be complete when Iraq is moderately stable and when its troops are capable of securing their own country. Our word and our credibility as a leader in this world are on the line. Success in securing stability should determine the course of our future actions in Iraq. That is why I support this measure, and I call on all of my colleagues to join me in that support.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. The Acting Chairman. Is the gentleman from New Jersey acting as the designee of the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King)? Mr. Chairman, I am. Mr. Chairman, I yield…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
The Acting Chairman. Is the gentleman from New Jersey acting as the designee of the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King)?
Mr. Chairman, I am.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment simply requires that the State Department submit a report to Congress that one, identifies by name all NGOs receiving funding under the President's emergency plan for AIDS relief, the date that the funding was provided, and the date on which the NGO filed the statement certifying its policy explicitly opposing prostitution and sex trafficking.
Number two, it describes the Department of State's plans to audit the compliance by nongovernmental organizations receiving U.S. funding under the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS relief to have and adhere to an explicit policy opposing prostitution and sex trafficking and a description of the plan of the Department of State to transmit the results to the appropriate congressional committees.
Mr. Chairman, I would just note for my colleagues, this is a very simple amendment. When the Hyde historic legislation on HIV/AIDS was considered by the committee, I offered the amendment that was included in that bill to ensure that the NGOs, to which we provide considerable amounts of money and, in many cases, we are talking tens of millions of dollars, are not in any way complicit in sex trafficking nor in the promotion of prostitution and its legality.
I would point out to my colleagues that by way of historical background, I am the prime sponsor of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act of 2000 and the Trafficking Victims Protection Act Reauthorization and Expansion Act of 2003. We take very seriously our obligation to ensure that we as a government, we as a provider of significant Federal funding, in no way are enabling this modern-day slavery called sex trafficking or prostitution, which is its very close cousin.
I would hope that Members would realize that this is a very simple amendment. It just requires that we get basic information, which I think in our oversight capacity we have an obligation to do as a Congress and as certain committees of the Congress.
So I hope that Members will support this.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to the distinguished gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King), who is actually the prime sponsor of this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in very strong opposition to the Kucinich amendment. A key element in a robust defense against ballistic missiles is the deployment of space-based weapons to intercept them in flight. We are talking about in all cases nonnuclear interceptors to stop an incoming nuclear device.
I think the amendment, while well intentioned, and I respect the gentleman from Ohio, is very counterproductive and puts our cities and our population at risk. I strongly oppose this amendment and urge my colleagues to defeat it.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the distinguished gentleman for yielding.
I want to associate myself with the remarks of the gentleman from Illinois (Chairman Hyde). This is a very creative amendment; 9/11 should not mean that the welcome mat has been pulled. As the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos) points out in the amendment's findings, $13 billion every year is earned from foreign students coming in. But it is not the money, per se, although that helps our colleges and universities. It is the fact that these students have the opportunity to learn what democracy is all about, to learn what a capitalist system can produce for their people when they return. They can also learn skills that will save lives in the area of medicine as well as in law and so many other areas.
It is a very, very creative amendment, I think, and will lead to best practices that will result in more students taking the good infection back to their respective countries. I again want to congratulate the gentleman on this excellent amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
I thank the gentleman from California (Mr. Royce) for his outstanding work on this issue, and I rise in strong support of the gentlewoman from California's (Ms. Watson) very important amendment.
Mr. Chairman, in August of 2003, the Government of Nigeria, at the urging of the governments of the United States and Great Britain, gave asylum to then-Liberian President Charles Taylor. The purpose was to prevent further bloodshed and to allow for a transition back to a democratically elected government in Liberia. The deal was struck in spite of the indictment of Taylor by the Special Court for Sierra Leone in June of that year on 17 counts of war crimes, including mass murder, sexual slavery, rape, hostage-taking, amputations, forced conscriptions of children and adults, arson, looting, and many other abuses of human rights.
Nevertheless, the action by the Nigerian Government likely saved thousands of lives and is providing at least a chance for free elections in Liberia in October. However, the deal was not without conditions, and there is ample evidence that Charles Taylor has violated this asylum agreement.
For example, Taylor is alleged to be cooperating with international terrorist organizations. He is engaged in illicit trade in blood diamonds in violation of U.N. sanctions and is linked to the proliferation of small arms throughout the region. He has also destabilized the entire subregion of West Africa, leaving thousands dead and millions displaced in its wake.
Nigerian President Obasanjo refuses to end the asylum agreement, however, unless there is irrefutable evidence of violations by Taylor. I would point out to my colleagues that on March 17, Kofi Annan reported to the Security Council that Taylor's former military commanders, party leaders, and business associates maintain regular contact with him and are planning to undermine Liberia's return to democracy.
I urge strong support for this amendment. It is an outstanding one.
A few days later, Jacques Klein, the UN Special Representative to the Secretary-General on Liberia confirmed that Taylor is ``still very, much involved'' in Liberian politics.
Outgoing Chief Prosecutor for the Sierra Leone Court, David Crane continues to accuse Taylor of ``ruling the country from his house arrest in Calabar'' In southern Nigeria.
So, yes President Obasanjo, there is plenty of evidence that Charles Taylor has violated the terms of his asylum. Has he continued to destabilize not only Liberia, but also Cote d'Ivoire and Guinea? That has yet to be proven in court, but there is enough evidence for him to be sent to the court in Sierra Leone to find out.
President Bush raised this issue with President Obasanjo at a meeting in May, but U.S. policy must consist of more than a brief discussion. Whatever evidence we have must be shared with the Nigerian government, and then they must make up their mind if they want to continue in the direction of helping West Africa to heal or if they want to close their eyes to continued interference and further upheaval.
Surely, the time has come for Charles Taylor's reign of terror in the region to reach its final, conclusive end.
Mr. Chairman, on behalf of the majority of the committee, I want to express our strong support for this amendment.
This amendment, the Watson-Issa amendment, will continue to support programs similar to those that were begun in fiscal year 2004. The State Department has designed programs to target areas of the world that have significant rates of intellectual property rights piracy with unique law enforcement assistance. This assistance has been tailored to particular activities in various regions of the world. It is critical to support the intellectual property rights community, Mr. Chairman, as the United States is the world's single largest creator, producer and exporter of copyrighted materials.
Rampant piracy of creative works poses a significant risk to U.S. creative work products, including music, movies, video games and other software. As the U.S. copyright industry alone accounts for nearly 6 percent of this Nation's GDP, it is an economic security issue as well for the United States.
Mr. Chairman, I commend my two colleagues for offering this very important amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition, although I support the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from California (Mr. Cardoza).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, we appreciate the concern of the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Eshoo) and the gentleman from California (Mr. Cardoza), and for their strong statements here. The problem of the Chaldo- Assyrians has been brought to the attention of the committee. The committee has brought these concerns to the attention of the administration.
I have met with people myself who have expressed concerns about this, and believe that they should not get short shrift when it comes to U.S. foreign aid and efforts being made in Iraq. The administration has prepared materials attempting to show it has been fair and inclusive in its distribution of assistance, but this amendment puts every one of us on guard that we need to watch this very carefully to make sure that they are not shown the door or in any way denied the kind of assistance that we are capable of offering and I think we are obligated to provide to them. I appreciate the gentlewoman's amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time and for crafting this very important amendment. It is creative as an amendment, and it also will get the job done.
The U.S. Interests Section, if this amendment were to be enacted, will get the information out that there is a bounty on the heads of these people who have committed serious crimes in the U.S. According to the FBI, 74 U.S. citizens convicted of felonious crimes in the U.S. are currently living in Cuba under the protection of the Castro regime.
Joanne Chesimard was convicted, and one of those who is living in Cuba. She was convicted and sentenced to life in prison in 1977 for the 1973 execution-style slaying of New Jersey State Trooper Werner Foerster on the New Jersey Turnpike. Witnesses said she fired two bullets into his head as he lay on the ground. This is a very commonsense approach to try to get the message out, and hopefully it will empower everyday, ordinary Cubans to take action to bring these people to justice.
I thank the gentleman for his amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for his courtesy.
Mr. Chairman, I do oppose the amendment. It is merely an amendment authorizing a study to determine whether or not the U.S. Office in Pristina ought to provide consular services. There are about 15,000 people that make that trip to Skopje every year. It is a burdensome situation for them.
But let me also point out there is some value to this debate in the amendment offered by the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Franks), because it underscores the clear and nonambiguous intent here that we do not want to prejudge or predetermine the final status with regard to Kosovo. That is to be left to the negotiations.
Even if the State Department makes a recommendation that it is going to be left to a status negotiation, I think the gentleman's amendment and the fact we have had this debate helps to bring some light to that. This amendment would merely facilitate and expedite those individuals that would like to get their visas and to come here.
I thank the gentleman for yielding, I oppose the amendment, and I respect the gentleman.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to take the time in opposition, even though I support the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, first of all, I want to thank the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) for his very compassionate and important amendment. It should be supported, and the majority on this side of the aisle supports it.
Since 1993, almost 400 women and girls have been murdered and more than 70 remain missing in Ciudad Juarez in Mexico. This commonsense amendment simply seeks to provide congressional authority and funding to the Secretary of State to make independent technical and forensic expertise available to the families of these young women and girls.
The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) represents, as we know, the El Paso area across the border from this area. His amendment extends a helping hand to these grieving families. I want to commend the gentleman for his compassion in offering this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, let me just say to my colleagues, the July 7 attacks in London, I believe, served as a chilling reminder of what is at stake in the global war against terrorism. We must fight this war, a war that we never sought, but which has been declared against our country and against our citizens; and we must fight in a way so as to win.
The amendment offered by the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) underscores the resolve to do just that. Since the first prisoners were brought to the Naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba in January of 2002, this base has provided a secure location for holding terrorists captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan and from the many other places around the globe where we have obtained custody of suspected terrorists. It has provided a place where these people could be kept from returning to combat.
The gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) a moment ago talked about the 12 detainees who were released and then returned to combat; two, I understand, in Afghanistan; and at least one that was killed in a firefight. We are talking about terrorists who went right back to attempts to kill Americans.
Mark Jacobson, a former special assistant for detainee policy at the Department of Defense, estimated that as many as 25 of the 202 released had taken up arms again.
For example, Mullah Shahzada, a former Taliban field commander who apparently convinced officials at Guantanamo that he had sworn off violence, was freed in 2003, and immediately rejoined the Taliban. He was subsequently killed in battle in the summer of 2004 in Afghanistan. Maulvi Ghafar, a Taliban commander captured in 2001, was released in February 2004. He was subsequently killed in a shootout with Afghan government forces in September 2004. Abdullah Mesud, a Pakistani who was captured fighting alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan, bragged that he was able to hide his true identity for two years at Guantanamo before being released in March 2004. He was considered a low-risk security threat because of his artificial leg. After retuning to Pakistan, Mesud led a group of Islamic militants--part of a campaign against
the Pakistani government--that kidnapped two Chinese engineers working on a dam. One of the engineers and several militants were subsequently killed in a government raid. Mesud is still at large.
Mr. Chairman, Guantanamo is a place where crucial intelligence could be gathered that could help the United States understand the operating methods, patterns, financing, tactical skills and training of these terrorists. This information is critical to preventing future terrorist attacks and, in the long run, critical to developing a strategic vision for combating this new enemy.
At the same time, Mr. Chairman, those who are held in Guantanamo must be treated, without exception, humanely. There must be zero tolerance for torture or degrading or inhumane or cruel treatment, and Congress does have a moral responsibility to ensure that that is the case. And I, like many of my colleagues, have gone down to Guantanamo to see for myself, to provide oversight, to ask the tough questions and to try to get answers to those questions.
I would point out to my colleagues as well that in last year's defense authorization bill, Public Law 108-375, this body unambiguously stated that it is the sense of Congress that, and I quote it, ``no detainee shall be subject to torture or cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment or punishment that is prohibited by the Constitution, laws or treaties of the United States.''
Moreover, that law requires the Secretary of Defense to take steps to ensure that policies are adopted to ensure the humane treatment of detainees and that all DOD commanders have adequate training regarding the law of war and Geneva Convention obligations, and that standard operating procedures regarding detainees be established.
Mr. Chairman, finally, just let me say that the U.S. must continue to fight this war on terrorism on every front. We must not let complacency lead us to lower our guard. We must fight this war in a way that is consistent, however, with fundamental principles.
And I think the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) has offered us a resolution that tries to make that clear.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time, and I would like to rise in strong support of the Rohrabacher amendment arguing that our facility in Guantanamo is essential to the…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time, and I would like to rise in strong support of the Rohrabacher amendment arguing that our facility in Guantanamo is essential to the defense of the U.S. and our coalition partners.
Mr. Chairman, the Guantanamo Bay facility currently houses some of the elite of our enemy's crop in the war against terror, including enemy combatants ranging from terrorist trainers and recruiters to bombmakers to would-be suicide bombers and terrorist financiers.
Guantanamo provides a strategic interrogation center where these enemy combatants can be questioned and where the results of the interrogations have produced information that has saved the lives of U.S. and coalition forces in the field, as well as has thwarted threats posed to innocent civilians in this country and indeed throughout the world.
Through the detainees held at this facility, we have learned about the detonation systems used in roadside bombs in Iraq, bombs that have been used by the insurgency to kill our troops and innocent Iraqi citizens. Detainees include some of Osama bin Laden's personal bodyguards and one of the suspected 20 hijackers in the 9/11 attacks.
Closing Guantanamo Bay, as some of our colleagues have suggested, will not relieve the United States of needing a facility to house and interrogate suspected terrorists. Should Guantanamo close, the government would have to relocate those functions. Furthermore, given the history of al Qaeda and the jihadists, the closure of Guantanamo would provide an enormous boost in morale to the terrorists and their supporters.
Finally, detainees held at Guantanamo pose a significant threat to Americans, to U.S. allies and civilians in their home countries. There are reports of detainees released from Guantanamo, returned to their home countries, only to resume terrorist activities and attacks against the U.S., our allies, and innocent civilians.
Mr. Chairman, I urge my colleagues strongly to support the Rohrabacher amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I did not arrive at the decision to offer this amendment lightly. I discussed it with former staffers and current interns who have served recently in both civilian and military capacities in Iraq. I discussed the situation with my husband, Dexter, a decorated Vietnam veteran who was wounded in combat and awarded a Purple Heart. But it was my talks with my
stepson Dougie, a first lieutenant in the U.S. Marine Corps, who is being deployed to Iraq in just 1 week, that had the most profound effect. He helped me to fully comprehend the importance of our mission in Iraq and the impact of what we say here and do here with the impact it has at home and on our Armed Forces serving abroad.
Mr. Chairman, our mission is just. It has far-reaching strategic and political ramifications. It is helping to further U.S. security and foreign policy goals throughout the region. For these reasons, and most importantly for my stepson, Dougie Lehtinen, his financee, Lindsay Nelson, who is also a Marine officer who will ship out to Iraq also in a week, and to all of the members in our proud U.S. Armed Forces serving in Iraq, I am offering this amendment and I ask my colleagues to render their full support for it.
Iraq is one of the epicenters of the U.S. comprehensive strategy to fight terrorism worldwide. Our ability to project major armed forces to the very heart of the Middle East provides the United States and our allies in the war against terrorism the wherewithal to directly address the tactical and the ideological challenges of Islamic extremism.
Our presence in Iraq further strengthens our leverage against current and emerging threats and it increases the deterrent value of U.S. power.
Finally, through the promotion of incipient Iraqi democracy, we can continue our concerted efforts to counter root causes of Islamist extremist and terrorism in the region. The terrorists are fighting for their survival because freedom threatens them. Democratic governments deny terrorists the weapons, the funds and sanctuary they need in order to survive. Democracy denies them new recruits.
Terrorism mastermind al-Zarqawi acknowledged that coalition forces were having success and that Iraqi sovereignty and democratic governance would thwart their plans. In a February 17, 2004 letter to an al Qaeda operative, al-Zarqawi said, ``Our enemy is growing stronger day by day. By God, this is suffocation. We will be on the roads again.''
One of Osama bin Laden's closest associates wrote in a book published in December 2003 that ``democracy is a far more dangerous threat,'' adding that it makes Muslims refuse to take part in jihad.
The continuing presence of U.S. and coalition forces must be determined by the achievements of concrete objectives, not by arbitrary dates on the calendar. Some may argue that my amendment sets the threshold too high by stating that ``calls for an early withdrawal are counterproductive to security aims of the United States and to the hopes of the Iraqi people.''
However, as we have repeatedly argued in this Chamber, words matter. What we say here to condemn human rights violations, incitement and anti-semitism or expressing support for pro-democracy advocates throughout the world has a tremendous positive impact. In stark contrast, incessant calls for an established date for withdrawal from Iraq has a negative effect. They diminish the morale of the troops and serve to embolden the enemy.
Do we want to send a message to the terrorists that their war of attrition is succeeding, that their commitment to violence, to hatred, and to terror is greater than our commitment to a democratic Iraq, to spreading freedom and fighting tyranny?
The amendment before us seeks to restate our commitment to the successful completion of our mission in Iraq. It establishes as U.S. policy the pursuit of transfer of responsibility for security to Iraqi forces, but cautions against withdrawing prematurely, calling for withdrawal to take place when U.S. national security and foreign policy goals relating to Iraq have been or are about to be achieved. Is this asking too much?
Let us not waver on our commitment to our mission in Iraq. The Iraqi people have not wavered. Our men and women in uniform are not wavering. In fact, this weekend we saw newspaper stories reporting that soldiers are reenlisting at rates ahead of the Army's targets. Army officials say this is due in part to a renewed sense of purpose in fighting terrorism.
Let us demonstrate to our forces that just as our Nation stood behind the greatest generation during World War II as they fought against tyranny, so too do we stand behind our forces in Iraq, a new great generation of heroes whose actions will not only help to make the world safer, but will alter the political landscape towards the irreversible path of freedom and democracy.
I ask my colleagues to support our troops. I ask my colleagues to support the Iraqi people. I ask my colleagues to fight the good fight for freedom and for democracy. I ask my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I did not arrive at the decision to offer this amendment lightly.
I arrived at this decision after listening to a former staffer of mine, who recently returned from Iraq, and one of my current interns who served with the United States Army in Iraq.
I arrived at this decision after discussing the situation in Iraq with my husband, Dexter, a decorated Vietnam veteran who was wounded in combat and awarded a Purple Heart.
But it was my talks with my stepson Dougie, a first lieutenant in the U.S Marine Corps, that had the most profound effect on me and helped me fully comprehend the importance of the mission that our men and women in the armed forces are embarked on in Iraq.
My stepson, Dougie, is on his way to perform his duty in Iraq.
To him, it is not an obligation. It is an honor and a privilege to have the opportunity to serve his Nation, to contribute to the freedom of the Iraqi people, to confront the terrorists, and, perhaps, most importantly, to fight tyranny as the ``Greatest Generation'' did during World War II.
Our mission is just. It has far-reaching, long-term, strategic and political ramifications. It is helping to further U.S. security and foreign policy goals throughout the region.
For these reasons and, most importantly, for my stepson Doug Lehtinen, his fiancee Lindsay Nelson, who is also a Marine officer who will ship out to Iraq in a week, and all the members of the U.S. Armed Forces serving in Iraq, I am offering this amendment and I ask my colleagues to render their full support for it.
Simply stated, we cannot afford to yield a victory to the terrorists in Iraq and throughout the region.
Iraq is one of the epicenters of the U.S. comprehensive strategy to combat terrorism worldwide--a strategy that includes: killing and disrupting terrorists abroad, confronting theocratic and autocratic regimes that harbor terrorists and facilitate terrorist attacks, and promote economic reform and democracy as a means to address the grievances of people throughout the region that have been manipulated and turned against us by the dictatorial regimes that permeate the region.
Our ability to project major armed forces to the very heart of the Middle East provides the United States and our allies in the war against terrorism, the wherewithal to directly address the tactical and ideological challenge of Islamist extremism.
Our presence in Iraq further strengthens our leverage against current and emerging threats and increases the deterrent value of U.S. power.
Finally, through the promotion of an incipient Iraqi democracy, we can continue our concerted effort to counter root causes of Islamist extremism and terrorism in the region.
The objective is for the U.S. to proactively engage and support reformers and assist in developing within the Middle East a bastion of stable, free-market democratic societies.
We are engaged in a struggle between moderation and extremism.
The terrorists are fighting for their survival. Freedom threatens the terrorists.
Terrorist mastermind al Zarqawi acknowledged that coalition forces were having success and that Iraqi sovereignty and democratic governance would thwart their plans.
In this February 17, 2004 letter to al-Qaeda operatives, al Zarqawi said: ``Our enemy is growing stronger day after day . . . By God, this is suffocation! We will be on the roads again.''
He further said: ``we are racing time . . . If the government is successful and takes control of the country, we just have to pack up and go somewhere else again, where we can raise the flag again or die . . .''
Democratic governments deny terrorists the funds, weapons, and sanctuary that they need to survive. Democracy and freedom deny recruits.
One of Osama bin Laden's closest associates wrote in a book published in September 2003 that ``a far more dangerous threat'' is ``secularist democracy.''
He cautions against democracy's ``seduction'' as it drives Muslims to ``refuse to take part in Jihad.''
This is a clear illustration of how our efforts in Iraq are serving our long-term goals of spreading democracy as an antidote to extremism and terrorism.
Success does not come without challenges. Creating new and effective political and security institutions in Iraq takes time.
The task before us is not insurmountable, but, if rushed, we do risk failure for lack of persistence.
The continuing presence of U.S. and Coalition forces must be determined by the achievement of concrete objectives, not by arbitrary dates on the calendar.
The process of, and criteria governing, the withdrawal of U.S. and Coalition forces from Iraq must be performance-based, not chronologically-based.
Some may argue that my amendment sets the threshold too high by stating that ``calls for early withdrawal of United States and coalition forces are counterproductive to security aims of the United States and the hopes of the Iraqi people.''
I respectfully disagree. As we have repeatedly argued in this Chamber and in the International Relations Committee--words matter.
What we say in this Chamber through resolutions condemning human rights violations, for example, or condemning incitement and anti- Semitism, or expressing support for pro-democracy advocates throughout the world, have a tremendous positive impact.
These statements and measures serve to empower those who toil for freedom throughout the world.
In stark contrast, incessant calls for an established date for withdrawal from Iraq have a negative effect. They serve to embolden the enemy and the terrorists.
Do we want to send a message to the terrorists that their war of attrition is succeeding? That we are weakening in our resolve?
That the terrorists' commitment to violence, hatred, and terror is greater than our commitment to a democratic Iraq, to spreading freedom, and to combating the forces of evil and tyranny?
Many of our coalition allies in Iraq understand the importance of completing our mission there--allies such as Poland, the Czech Republic, Romania, Albania, Bulgaria, Estonia, Georgia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, and the Ukraine who understand the lessons of history and want to take steps to prevent any people from having to experience the suffering that they endured under German occupation and Soviet communist rule.
My colleagues, this amendment does not question anyone's patriotism.
In fact, the amendment before you is a modified text which includes recommendations from my colleagues on the other side of the aisle.
This amendment seeks to re-state our commitment to successful completion of our mission in Iraq.
It establishes as U.S. policy the pursuit of a transfer of responsibility for Iraqi security to Iraqi forces, and cautions against withdrawing prematurely, calling for withdrawal to take place when U.S. national security and foreign policy goals relating to Iraq have been or are about to be achieved.
Is this asking too much--considering our goals are to combat those seeking to export their extremist, terrorist ideologies; those who seek to deny the Iraqi people their freedom; those who threaten global peace and security?
Let us not waiver on our commitment to our mission in Iraq.
The Iraqi people have not wavered.
Our men and women in uniform are not wavering.
In fact, this weekend saw newspaper stories reporting that ``soldiers are re-enlisting at rates ahead of the Army's targets.''
Army officials say that this is due, in part, to a ``renewed sense of purpose in fighting terrorism.''
Let us demonstrate to our forces that, just as our nation stood behind the ``Greatest Generation'' during World War II as they fought the evil pursuits of a tyrannical ruler, so too do we stand behind our forces in Iraq--a new great generation of heroes--whose actions in Iraq will not only help make the world safer in the long-term, but will alter the political landscape toward the irreversible path of freedom and democracy.
I ask my colleagues to support our troops.
I ask my colleagues to support the Iraqi people.
I ask my colleagues to fight the good fight for freedom and democracy.
I ask my colleagues to support this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, there is hardly a topic more misunderstood, mischaracterized, and exploited by America's…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, there is hardly a topic more misunderstood, mischaracterized, and exploited by America's enemies than the detention facility administered by the United States military at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
Mr. Chairman, we should be clear that the Guantanamo prison is reserved for some of the world's worst terrorists. Those there pose a great threat to our national security. Those there were primarily captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan.
Here are some specifics that the Department of Defense has stated publicly regarding Guantanamo. Since September 11, 2001, more than 70,000 detainees have been captured in Afghanistan and Iraq. The vast majority have been released. The U.S. is working with Iraq and Afghanistan and other governments to have them take control of detainees from their own countries.
Some 800 suspected al Qaeda or Taliban have been sent to Guantanamo; approximately 520 of them remain. Approximately 235 have been released, transferred or are presently in other countries; 61 are awaiting release or transfer.
So, who is in Guantanamo? Well, certainly no one under 18 years of age. That is important. The people who were there are terrorists, terrorist trainers, bomb makers, recruiters and facilitators, terrorist financiers, Osama bin Laden's bodyguard, and would-be suicide bombers.
And what are we learning from these people that are being held in Guantanamo? The organizational structure of al Qaeda and other terrorist groups; the extent of terrorist presence in Europe, in the United States and the Middle East; al Qaeda's pursuit of weapons of mass destruction; methods of recruitment and location centers for recruitment; terrorist skills and how they use them; both general and specialized operative training; and how legitimate financial activities are being used to hide terrorist operations.
Mr. Chairman, Lieutenant General Randall Schmidt recently headed a Department of Defense investigation of Guantanamo. General Schmidt's report described how military interrogators at Guantanamo broke down Saudi Arabian-born Mohammed al Kahtani, who was to be, I might add, the 20th hijacker on September 11.
By the fall, Mr. Kahtani had resisted all conventional interrogation techniques, so Secretary Rumsfeld approved a more aggressive action plan, although a plan that still did not violate the Geneva Convention.
Ultimately, this prisoner started talking, and we learned how al Qaeda, led by bin Laden, planned September 11 and the murder and the slaughter of almost 3,000 Americans. We learned how they recruited the terrorists and financed their operations, and how they entered the United States of America.
Mr. Chairman, unfortunately, common sense prevents a greater discussion of the intelligence windfall that was reaped by the questioning of this particular prisoner. This case also shows that persistence and skill of our soldiers pays off. In short, intelligence gained at Guantanamo has prevented terrorist attacks and saved the lives of countless Americans and America's allies.
Mr. Chairman, no system is perfect, no group of people is perfect, our country is certainly not perfect, our defenders are not perfect. But of some 24,000 interrogations, of those 24,000 interrogations, again, it is not a perfect system, but only 9 of the 24,000 have been basically found to have any type of abuse or purported to be examples of abuse. Most significantly, Guantanamo is not shrouded in secrecy, as we are told over and over again. There has been enormous transparency, especially as compared to any other country in the world which is holding terrorist detainees.
The International Committee of the Red Cross has been there. They have 24/7 access to the facility, and it is at their discretion. The International Committee of the Red Cross had had a permanent presence, recently changed at its choosing, and basically that is what the report said.
We have also had media people go to Guantanamo, including more than 400 visits by 1,000 national and international journalists. We have had lawyers for the detainees there, especially in connection with habeas corpus cases. We have had congressional Members, including 17 Senators, 103 Representatives, and 129 congressional staffers. Now, if there was ever a case of openness and transparency in a place for holding prisoners, this is it.
Additionally, Congress has held at least a dozen hearings into this matter.
Mr. Chairman, our distinguished colleague, the chairman of the Committee on Armed Services, the gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), stated after touring Gitmo last month that he noted that the detainees have gained an average of five pounds each over the last year. They have received first class medical services, averaging four hospital visits per month, and that 100 percent of the detainees have been given a written notice of their rights, a written notice of their right to contest their detention in a U.S. court of law, as well as instructions on how to obtain a free lawyer, and about 100 of the detainees have lawyers at this time.
What other country in the world would be so generous at a time of war, after seeing our people slaughtered in New York?
One military analyst, Jed Babbin, recently toured Gitmo and concluded the following: ``The common belief among the terrorists, fed by reports apparently conveyed to some by their lawyers, is that political pressure will soon result in our having to close Gitmo and to let them go. Critics are making the interrogators' job much harder than it already is. Because they, the terrorists, are beginning to believe we will close Gitmo, and many of the detainees resist interrogation'' because of this belief.
To the critics of Guantanamo, I would ask them, where do they suggest that we put these people? What do they suggest we do if we end up closing Gitmo? Where are we going to put those people we need to interrogate? Where are we going to put, in this war on terror, where are we going to put those we capture? At Gitmo, the people there have done a good job, a fantastic job, not a perfect job, and we should keep it open. It should not be closed, and we should actually congratulate
our people who work there for the fine job they have done.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, how much time is still available?
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Chairman, 12 of those detainees that were in Guantanamo who were released ended up going back to the battlefield in an attempt to kill Americans. Let us keep that in mind when people start complaining about holding people in Guantanamo in the middle of this conflict.
Let us know that those people that are being held are professional terrorists for the most part and were trained to claim that they had been tortured, and they were trained to make outlandish charges against the people who had captured them and against the United States of America. That is part of their tactic. Let us not fall for that.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn), who recently returned from a visit to Guantanamo.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Chairman, I think it is important for the American people to hold their heads up high, not only about the goals of the war on terror but the way we have conducted it, and especially the way we have handled the prisoners at Guantanamo.
Let us put it this way: the prisoners in Guantanamo, our prisoners, are better off for being our prisoners. They have gained weight. They have medical attention. They have regular meals, none of which they would have had if they would not have been captured. And life in their cell is probably a lot better than the cave in which they used to live. And perhaps as well, we need to say that the leaders, the people who hold power over them at Guantanamo are at least directed and guided by moral restrictions that are far different than those restrictions placed on them by their former leaders who followed radical Islam.
The people who used to be their boss and hold authority over them, the radical Islamist leaders, would cut people's heads off, participate in torture, not to mention of course send them out and send their families out on suicide missions. No, those people that we have captured that are in Guantanamo are better off because they are under our authority rather than those people they used to work for.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith), the chairman of the Human Rights Subcommittee of the International Relations Committee, as well as the co-chairman of the International Relations Committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Chairman, as our chairman of the Committee on International Relations just noted, it is always of benefit to get criminals off of the street and it is always to our benefit to take people who are involved, actively involved in terrorist organizations who have been engaged in suicide bombings, engaged in murdering other people, it is always good to get them off the street. And if it is in Guantanamo or anywhere else, that makes Guantanamo a very positive factor in keeping us safe.
Twelve of the people who we let go out of the 56 already returned to do battle to kill Americans. So it might have been better even to keep them in custody rather than put the Americans who they were aiming their guns at at more risk. Guantanamo is doing a good job. Those people down there, the Americans, are doing a good job for us. They are not perfect but no one is perfect, but they are making us safer and that is what this is about. I think we have no hesitancy whatsoever than to proclaim that.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Granger).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, I think we should note that there have been at least a dozen congressional hearings into Guantanamo itself and there has not been a lack of attention on the possibilities that some of our people were not meeting the high standards that we set as a Nation. That is number one.
Number two, and I think my colleague, and he is my dear friend and colleague, should understand that Guantanamo is not a result, as he suggested, of an unjust and illegal war in Iraq. Almost all the prisoners in Guantanamo, unless I am mistaken, are from the Afghan conflict and the conflict in Afghanistan was thrust upon us. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with Guantanamo whatsoever. The prisoners in Guantanamo are people who have been taken prisoner after serving as part of al Qaeda or the Taliban army in Afghanistan. We did not choose to declare war on the Taliban and al Qaeda. They attacked us. We were attacked on September 11.
I yield to the gentleman from New York.
Reclaiming my time, I think it is very clear that what is happening in Guantanamo, which is the discussion today, has come under attack by people who generally are opposed to a very tough and aggressive and engaged American foreign policy overseas.
We can no longer rely on our oceans and our noninvolvement in places like Afghanistan where we let the Taliban have their way and expect that we are going to be safe. We are not safe. 9/11 proved that.
When we engage in a war against people like these terrorists who have murdered our people and we capture people, we have to put them some place. Guantanamo has served that purpose, and Americans down there have uncovered information that have saved American lives. That is how we have gotten to know what al Qaeda is all about.
I am sorry there are times that people feel compelled to criticize American policy overseas and certainly that should not include Guantanamo, and that is what this debate is about today.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Conaway).
Mr. Chairman, how much time do we have remaining?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Ros-Lehtinen), chairman of the Subcommittee on Middle East and Central Asia of the Committee on International Relations.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Hayes), a member of the Committee on Armed Services, who has also returned from a visit to Guantanamo Bay.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds.
There has never been any proof of torture at all at Guantanamo, period, zippo. Also, let us not hear the complaint that we have not had enough investigation of Guantanamo.
Mr. Chairman, 187 Members of Congress and congressional staff have visited Guantanamo just in the last few months, 11 Senators, 77 Representatives, 99 congressional staff members, and there have been 400 media visits, including 1,000 national and international journalists have visited there. There has been a lot of attention paid to Guantanamo. We have been transparent. We can be proud of the job our people are doing. That is what this is all about today.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), chairman of the Committee on Armed Services.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. (Ms. ESHOO asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.) Mr. Chairman, I rise today to…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Ms. ESHOO asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I rise today to offer this amendment expressing the sense of Congress that our government should recognize the unique challenges facing Iraq's indigenous Christian communities, including the Chaldeans, Jacobites, Armenians, Assyrians and Greek Orthodox Christians.
I am a first generation American of Assyrian and Armenian descent. My grandparents fled their ancestral homeland in the early part of the 20th century. In fact, my mother received her First Communion in Baghdad in 1919. I am the only Assyrian American serving in Congress today, and one other did many years ago, the distinguished Adam Benjamin of Indiana.
There are approximately 250,000 Assyrian Americans in the United States, representing the largest population of Chaldo-Assyrians outside Iraq. All Chaldo-Assyrians are Christian. Because they are, they have been subjected to persecution in their homeland.
Today, there are between 1 to 1.5 million Christians remaining in Iraq,
mainly in the Nineveh plain in the north around Mosul. They live in villages that can trace their history back over 2,000 years. And a large number, because of their geography, have now come under the authority of the Kurdistan Regional Government.
Among indigenous Iraqi Christians, the Chaldeans represent the oldest rite under Rome. Along with the Assyrians who worship with the Holy Apostolic Catholic Assyrian Church of the East, they represent the oldest surviving Christian population in the world and one, without help during this critical transition period, that could be on the brink of extinction.
These communities have welcomed the opportunity before them since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime to move toward greater prosperity and stability by cooperating in the development of a democratic, pluralistic state. Unfortunately, religious and ethnic tensions as well as discrimination continue to plague these Christian communities. I continue to receive troubling reports from religious leaders indicating that Iraq's Christian population is not receiving their fair share of development assistance. Because they are such a small minority, the indigenous Iraqi Christian population has one independently elected Chaldo-Assyrian in the entire Iraqi National Assembly, Younadam Kanna, whom I have met with and hold in high regard. Within the Kurdistan Regional Government in northern Iraq, representatives from Iraqi Christian communities hold five out of 100 seats. Because the Assyrian community is so very small, such a minority in Iraq with one representative in national politics, funding for reconstruction, housing and education are parceled out to those who control the villages and the regions where they reside without sufficient transparency to ensure the proper parity.
The visible result of these misallocations has been the emigration of as many as 80,000 Iraqi Christians since the fall of Saddam Hussein's regime. The majority of these individuals, approximately 50,000, have fled to Syria, while others have spread out to Jordan, the Gulf Emirates and Turkey, all living in desperate circumstances as refugees from their homes.
This needs to be dealt with. If a fully functioning and sustainable democracy is to emerge in Iraq, the basic rights and needs of all minority groups must be safeguarded. My amendment seeks to affirm that commitment by ensuring that all relevant U.S. Government agencies and departments pay special attention to the needs of this minority and ensure that they will continue to reside and thrive in their ancestral homeland.
I urge my colleagues to support this amendment. I want to particularly thank Tim Carey of my staff for the very hard, diligent and closely held sincere belief in this issue. Without him, I do not think I would be on the floor today with this amendment.
Iraqi Christians Find Safety in Syria--Religious Violence Prompted Many
To Flee Homeland
(By Joshua E.S. Phillips)
Damascus, Syria.--Seated in his parish office, Father
Sarmad Yousef reflected on his hard choices: to disobey his
archbishop by remaining in Syria or to return to Iraq, where
his name has appeared on a death list. ``After the Americans
came, I was one of the people telling the Iraqi Christians
not to leave,'' he said. ``After the violence started, I
stopped telling them that.''
Christians all over Iraq face a similar dilemma as
relentless violence engulfs the country, some directly
targeting them. Staying in the midst of the threats is
dangerous, yet leaving means abandoning communities, church
property and a heritage with centuries-old roots.
Before the U.S.-led war, roughly 750,000 Christians lived
in Iraq, out of a population of 25 million. Most were
Chaldean and Assyrian, but there also were Armenian, Jacobite
and Greek Orthodox Christians and a small number of
Protestants. Most of them lived either in Baghdad or in
northern Iraq around Mosul.
Since then, 15,000 to 20,000 Christians have fled to Syria,
according to Christian groups, out of ``about 700,000''
Iraqis, most of them in flight from the war, according to the
U.N. high commissioner for refugees.
Yousef, a 30-year-old Chaldean Catholic who came here in
August 2004, was the parish priest of Baghdad's St. Pathion
Church, with 800 families under his stewardship. Today, he
occupies a simple office in Damascus, decorated with small
portraits of St. Therese, the patron saint of his new church,
cradling a bouquet of pink roses.
He says he actively supported the United States when
coalition troops first entered Baghdad in April 2003 and
helped organize community meetings on their behalf. Such
support came with grave risks, and he narrowly missed two
drive-by shooting attacks. But when the Abu Ghraib prison
scandal came to light, Yousef says, his view changed. Nor was
he alone. ``Before that, Iraqis loved Americans,'' said
Yousef, his eyes lowered. ``Directly after that--those
photos, that scandal directly destroyed the dignity of
Iraqis.''
Muneeb, an Iraqi Christian parishioner of St. Therese who
didn't reveal his last name because he said he did not want
to attract local attention, said general resentment toward
the Americans was transferred to Iraqi Christians.
``Americans are Christians,'' he said, ``so we're
automatically considered to be part of them.''
Christian-owned liquor stores and beauty salons were
attacked. While kidnapping has soared--both for terrorism and
financial gain--Christians felt particularly targeted since
they are often associated with successful businesses and
financial support of families living abroad.
With the rise of Islamic militancy, Muneeb said, his
sister, a doctor, was ordered to wear a veil outside her
home--a requirement that didn't exist, he said, when Saddam
Hussein was in power. ``I never thought of leaving Iraq,''
Muneeb said. ``But as a minority, we have no support.''
Emmanuale Khoshaba, a member of the Assyrian Democratic
Movement, who regularly commutes back and forth to Iraq, is
more optimistic. Through his job as the movement's Syrian
representative, he promoted Iraq's Jan. 30 elections among
absentee voters in Syria.
``Don't see the glass half-empty,'' said Khoshaba, who is
the organization's Syrian representative. ``Now, we have
rights: We have our names, we have members of the National
Assembly, and we have 35 schools that teach Syriac.'' Under
Hussein, teaching Syriac--the language used by Assyrians and
other Iraqi Christians, and one of the Middle East's oldest
languages--was strictly forbidden.
``We have coexisted for thousands of years,'' Khoshaba
said. ``The problem was the repressive regime, and today we
are in a transitionary stage. But one has to stay and
sacrifice something for it.''
There have been many examples of such sacrifice.
One Sunday last August, a spate of bombings that struck
five churches in Baghdad and one in Mosul left 11 dead and
scores wounded. Yousef's church was spared, but he said Iraqi
Christians increasingly had started to leave soon after.
When Yousef took a previously planned trip to Damascus, he
learned his was one of 18 names on a death list. Thirteen of
those people had been killed the previous month. ``I decided
not to go back--I felt that I was too young to die,'' said
Yousef. He left behind friends, family and his parish. The
archbishop of Baghdad instructed him return to his post, but
he stayed in Damascus to fill an opening at St. Therese.
Yousef's new church, wedged within Danlascus' Old City of
cobblestone streets and crumbling houses, overflows with
worshipers during Sunday Mass. Of the 2,000 families now
connected to St. Therese, 90 percent are recent Iraqi
refugees. Just outside the church doors, a group of
parishioners from Yousef's old Baghdad parish discussed how
their lives have changed.
``Life was better--we didn't have any problems,'' said
Jamila Tama, referring to the relative peace between
religious sects under Hussein. ``There's killing, bombing
and kidnapping. We have nothing now--even our house is
sold.''
Her son, Bassam Bahnam, was grateful for the haven in
Syria. ``But I have three boys who worked in Baghdad, and
they're all unemployed now,'' he said.
Bahnam and his family want to return to Iraq--when the
violence ebbs. ``Of course there's no place like home,'' said
his younger brother, Hisham Bahnam. But he criticized
Christian leaders' calls to stay in Iraq. ``They're asking us
to stay, but they're not giving us any solution,'' he said.
``Even Christian leaders need an army to protect them
whenever they go outside.''
George Abona, a former priest who attended a seminary with
Yousef, agrees. ``When my Christian leaders say, `Don't leave
your heritage,' what are they going offer me?'' he said.
``What will heritage do for me and my son?''
In Iraq, Abona worked for the United Nations for seven
years, before and during the war, and was in its Baghdad
compound when it was bombed in August 2003. He survived, but
the blast killed his brother, along with the top U.N. envoy
in Iraq, Sergio Vieira de Mello, and 20 other U.N staffers.
Then last October, he was kidnapped for 19 days. He was
released after another brother paid a $20,000 ransom. Despite
all that, he said, ``The security issue is not a big issue--
it's that I'm not ready to raise my son in an extremist
Islamic society.''
Syria has relaxed immigration rules for its Arab neighbors.
But aside from Palestinians, refugees are not allowed to hold
jobs in Syria, forcing most Iraqi newcomers to live off their
savings. Government assistance--especially health care--is
limited, and the refugees must return home periodically to
get their temporary visas renewed.
Yousef tries to provide his new community in Syria with
food and money for medical needs. The main reason he and
other Christians have fled Iraq, he said, is ``because we
don't feel it is our country any more.''
``I have bad memories now,'' he said of events since the
invasion. ``Most of my friends were killed there, and we only
saw cruelty and blood. I don't think I'll ever be able to go
back.''
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from California (Mr. Cardoza), who represents a very large community of Assyrian Americans in his congressional district.
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Mr. Chairman, I voted against the Berkley/Crowley amendment to cap assistance to the Palestinian Authority. Under the new leadership of President Mahmoud Abbas, progress is being made--slowly-- on…
Mr. Chairman, I voted against the Berkley/Crowley amendment to cap assistance to the Palestinian Authority. Under the new leadership of President Mahmoud Abbas, progress is being made--slowly-- on the path to democracy and peace. It is ironic that these additional restrictions are proposed on Abbas, yet were never applied to Yasser Arafat. In light of Israel's impending withdrawal from Gaza, I believe that we need to maintain President Bush's flexibility to use United States assistance to promote American interests in the region. Already, aid to the Palestinian Authority is the most heavily restricted, audited, and projectized assistance in the world with aid going directly to the Palestinian Authority only when the President signs a specific waiver. This amendment is one more unnecessary restriction that ties the President's hands to support any movement towards peace and security.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
It is an interesting proposition that we have before us today. Unfortunately, what is framed in the context of this amendment is more a conclusion rather than something that is dealt with in terms of well- reasoned fact.
Nobody disputes the fact that we need intelligence. Nobody disputes the fact that we are struggling in a global war against terror. The question is the way in which the facility at Guantanamo has been managed, what it represents now, and what it represents in the future.
We have been engaged in this struggle against terrorism longer than the United States fought World War II.
And there is no end in sight. In 2003 we had 205 acts of terror, an all-time record. In 2004 the number more than tripled to 651. I think there is a real question whether the assumption that the facility at Guantanamo has actually enhanced American security more than it has harmed it needs to be examined. I intend to offer a little more discussion.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to my colleague from California (Mr. Schiff).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 5\1/2\ minutes.
I appreciate what was just presented by my colleague from California (Mr. Schiff), who has offered up a legislative approach to deal with the framework for Guantanamo, providing protections and procedures and moving forward with dealing with the problems of enemy combatants. I find somewhat ironic the continued portrayal on the part of some that what we have in Guantanamo now is sort of a Motel 6 with enhanced security and better food than our kids get when they go off to school.
I wish that the resolution that was before us today were based on some aggressive work on our oversight committee in the Committee on International Affairs, which my colleague, the gentleman from California, chairs, because I think it is appropriate for us to understand not just the treatment at Guantanamo, but what impact that has had around the world in terms of perceptions of United States behavior towards enemy combatants.
I mentioned that I am deeply, deeply concerned about the language that is here that asserts that somehow we are better off and more secure as a result of Guantanamo. There is nothing, nothing that is unique to that location and the lawful exercise of interrogation techniques that is unique to Guantanamo. Where do we put them? We can put them in Leavenworth. We have lots of facilities that could be used to secure the enemy and protect the public.
But I am deeply, deeply concerned that there is lots of evidence that we have fallen short of the mark, and it is not just that when you torture and abuse people you get information that is suspect. The reason we reject that behavior as a country is twofold: besides being morally wrong, it puts Americans at risk. If we are going to abuse people, and recall that famous hearing in the other body when questions were put to uniform command, ``would you like American soldiers subjected to these techniques?'' Well, of course he would not. That is why we set standards to protect American soldiers and Americans overseas.
Second, when there are activities where we fail to meet our high standards, whether at Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib, they have an incendiary effect. Remember, it was not just a Newsweek story that sparked the riots in Pakistan. We were told, in fact, by people there that the story about the Koran being flushed down the toilet was not why the riots occurred. But the point is that there was a perception of American behavior that made people susceptible to thinking the worst. That is why there are a wide number of Republicans, including Senator Martinez, Senator Graham, Senator Hagel, that have raised questions about whether or not Guantanamo has outlived its usefulness for us.
I would suggest, Mr. Chairman, that when the history of this period of time is written, we are going to find out in the last 4 years that the information that came from the press, whether it is about prison abuses, about the basis for rushing to war in Iraq, or the consequences of that act, that the press accounts were more accurate than what we were given from the administration as information and justification. And, frankly, Congress has been, in the main, missing in action when it comes to getting on top of those stories, rooting out the truth, holding people accountable, not low-level guards ill trained and ill suited, and looking at patterns of abuse that started in Guantanamo, ended up in Iraq.
These are items that lend itself to the legislative process. With all due respect to my colleague, the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher), it is not at all clear that what happened in Guantanamo makes us safer given the fact that we have seen an explosion, that was a poor choice of words, of terrorist acts around the world, including our closest ally, Great Britain, just this last week.
This is precisely what we should be doing as a Congress rather than rushing to approve a feel-good amendment that has not been carefully examined by our oversight committee where there is evidence to the contrary that we may not be safer rather than doing something that would look to all the world as sort of a whitewash of what has happened in Guantanamo. And, most important, where we are going from here?
I would strongly urge the rejection of the amendment by my colleague.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 30 seconds. I just say it is a false choice to suggest that the only alternative is to keep Guantanamo open and operating as it is now. We could easily prosecute detainees who are at risk or a threat or a problem under courts martial. We could close the prison at Guantanamo and shift AT operations someplace else like Leavenworth. We could abandon the failed interrogation policies and conduct them according to the Army Field Manual and get rid of the people who are not at risk. There are other alternatives.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Hinchey).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3 minutes.
Mr. Chairman, the operative elements here before us in the resolution are twofold: one, on the second page of this amendment, there is paragraph 8 that says that we have improved the security of the United States and that what is going on at Guantanamo is essential to fighting the global war on terrorism. The second operative phrase is on the very last paragraph, it is essential to the security of the United States that we continue operating this facility until we are through waging the war on terrorism, which I have already pointed out we have been fighting now longer than World War II.
It is not at all clear that the symbol that Guantanamo has become has actually made us more secure. We have people like Republican Senator Mel Martinez and Republican Senator Chuck Hagel who recognize both in terms of the symbol of Guantanamo that has inflamed people around the world, and that we have a situation now where people are dealt with in an indefinite situation, rather than moving forward, prosecuting people under a courts-martial, if they in fact need to be prosecuted. We are not opposed to that.
There are opportunities for providing a framework, which my colleague, the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff), outlined in terms of legislation that he has developed that we could use to move forward, deal with what needs to be dealt with, but do it in a way that is consistent with American values and American principles. And, in fact, if people detained thought that there was some end in sight rather than indefinite detainment, some experts argue we may actually get more cooperation.
There are alternatives. We can put people, for example, in Leavenworth. We ought to make clear that we are playing by our standards, that we are going to play fair, and we are going to move forward.
I think it would be a very appropriate use of our Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations, which the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) chairs, to try to find out what the facts of the situation are; whether we are more or less at risk, and what lessons we learn from this sorry chapter in the past.
Our Republican friends have devoted 140 hours to investigating whether or not the Clintons misused their Christmas card list, and there were inquiries from committees trying to find out how they are dealing with letters that were sent to the Clintons' cat Socks. I would suggest that we ought to be able to find the time and the energy to be able to give the appropriate attention to these issues that Guantanamo represents, but I think the resolution in question is not warranted.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich).
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith) for picking up this amendment and introducing it on my behalf. I introduced this amendment on behalf of the gentleman from Indiana (Mr.…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith) for picking up this amendment and introducing it on my behalf. I introduced this amendment on behalf of the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Souder), and we have all been working on this same cause; it has to do with sex trafficking and the dehumanization that comes from sex trafficking, Mr. Chairman.
I will just add to this debate that we know that it is dehumanizing and it is against the policy of the United States.
There was legislation that was introduced last year that went into the Federal code that would prohibit any funds from going to organizations that do not have a policy specifically opposing sex trafficking and prostitution. But we have not gotten a report back from the Secretary of State's office, in spite of the fact that there have been a number of letters written, by the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Souder) in particular, requesting that report.
This amendment requires a report from the Secretary of State be delivered to the appropriate committees and allows this Congress to oversee the funding that we appropriated. Mr. Chairman, I will insert for the Record the letters that have been sent by the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Souder). I would conclude my remarks with a request for support for this amendment.
House of Representatives,
Committee on Government Reform,
Washington, DC, February 11, 2005.
Hon. Condoleezza Rice,
Secretary of State, Department of State, Harry S Truman
Building, Washington, DC.
Dear Ms. Secretary: Attached you will find a letter dated
October 22, 2004, in which the State Department was asked to
provide the Subcommittee with a listing of any grants that
have been awarded under the authority of the United States
Leadership Against HIV/AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria Act of
2003 or the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization
Act of 2003 that did not fully comply with anti-prostitution
and sex trafficking provisions therein.
The deadline for the provision of this information,
November 1, 2004, has long passed. Please update the
Subcommittee regarding the status of this request by
Wednesday, February 16, 2005.
Sincerely,
Mark E. Souder,
Chairman, Subcommittee on Criminal
Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I rise to urge support of this amendment which condemns the attacks made by radical Muslims since the Oslo Peace Accords in September of 1993. These attacks claimed the lives of 53, at least 53 innocent American victims and at least one unborn child in Israel.
My amendment is simple in procedure, but it is sincere in its substance. It honors those innocent Americans that have fallen victim to the terror of radical Islam by listing each victim's name, age, place of residence, location of his or her death, and the cause of their death. My amendment also demands that the Palestinian Authority work with Israel to protect all innocent individuals, regardless of citizenship, from terrorist atrocities.
We should honor the victims killed by terrorists in Israel and all over the world with the same spirit that we have honored our victims of September 11. The September 11 victims and those killed in Israel are all victims of radical Islam and, sadly, the death toll continues to rise as evidenced by the recent London bombings of July 7.
The terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 are the same kind of terrorists who blow themselves up on buses or in
crowded shopping areas in Israel and kill our soldiers on the streets of Baghdad. Terrorism does not discriminate between women and men or between children and adults. This is because terrorists hate freedom and worship death. It is with heavy hearts that we as freedom-loving people are bound together across language barriers and religious beliefs. Together, we fight radical Islam which preaches a culture of death.
My amendment is a small, heartfelt measure to honor those Americans killed in Israel by radical Islamists. I am hopeful that it will send a message to their loved ones that we are all in this together. Our fight to defend our God-given rights to freedom will honor those who have died at the hands of the culture of death and properly preserve our freedom for future generations.
I urge a ``yes'' vote on this amendment, Mr. Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I thank the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos) for his remarks and his support and his defense for the freedom and the safety of people across this globe for decades. I say to the gentleman, as to the small part that I add to the effort that he has brought, I feel it a privilege to be standing on this floor together with the gentleman speaking for freedom and safety of freedom-loving people everywhere. We so often and so easily forget that there are people dying in the Middle East that do not show up on the front page of our papers, and we stand with the people in Israel, we stand with all freedom-loving people.
I urge a ``yes'' vote on this amendment that honors them.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the Tancredo amendment. I think it is high time that we brought this to the floor of the Congress. I also associate myself with the remarks of the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos).
We have a lot of broad international issues, and we are here debating them on this floor. I have an issue that I think has not been properly heard, and I appreciate the time to address it. It is the issue of AIDS in Africa.
Mr. Chairman, I have traveled to Africa. First, I sat on this floor, and I believe the date was January 28, 2003, when about 10 feet behind me the President of the United States in his State of the Union address spoke to the issue of committing our resources to AIDS in Africa. I watched as we had a standing ovation that was led from this side of the aisle and with great enthusiasm I applauded the President's initiative because I had been reading the information on Uganda and the ABC policy that had come from Uganda on AIDS prevention, which they had done without resources from the United States: Abstinence, Be faithful, and if those fail, then Condoms.
I went to Africa less than a year ago, particularly Southern Africa, and I went to the AIDS orphanages and to the hospitals and to the clinics. I met with the people distributing the anti-retroviral drugs and the condoms. I looked for the A, the abstinence, and the B, Be faithful, and I had a lot of trouble finding its existence in Southern Africa.
So when I raised the issue before a large meeting in one of those countries in Southern Africa, and in that meeting I recall there were 24 people, among them USAID people, Peace Corps people, Centers for Disease Control people, people from the U.S. Council and others, the team that is administering the resources that are going to AIDS in Africa. And I asked them, What are you doing about promiscuity?
Their answer was we cannot change the culture, so we are distributing drugs and condoms.
But if they have a sexual life expectancy of another 25 to 30 years, how many more people are infected? Can we treat our way out of this problem, or must we find another way to solve it in conjunction with our anti-retroviral drugs?
Their answer was you cannot change the culture. But what they are doing is seeking to change the culture by promoting condoms, not by promoting a lifestyle that will protect them from this disease. So we are not addressing promiscuity.
I will agree with the USAID, the Peace Corps, the CDC, and a number of others that are out there, sometimes you cannot change the culture. Our difficulty is changing their culture, not the difficulty in supporting the people in Africa who have a culture that can be supported that can help eradicate this disease.
So I call for that. I appreciate the work done by the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith) as well. We have had good discussions on this. We have some insight into this, and they are working with the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), but I am asking sincerely that we can have some hearings to have some insight into the actual results of the U.S. resources that are committed into Africa. I want to protect them and get them cured of this disease, but we need to do it in the appropriate way so we save the maximum number of lives.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. The Kucinich amendment would require the President to direct the U.S. representatives to the United…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
The Kucinich amendment would require the President to direct the U.S. representatives to the United Nations and other international organizations to commence negotiations on an international treaty banning space-based weapons. Though the U.S. and the former Soviet Union long dominated the use of space, currently many states are investing in space assets and have developed or are developing the ability to use space peacefully.
Serious multilateral discussions about rules of the road for space are needed. This is especially important for the United States, as we own and operate the vast majority of satellites orbiting today, and space has become critical to U.S. economic, scientific, and military interests. Continuing the peaceful use of space will require refined international laws for space-faring States. The legal framework addressing the weaponization of space is far from comprehensive.
The international community, including Russia, China, Canada, and the EU, support creating a ban on weapons through a treaty to ban weapons from outer space. The United Nations has called for peace in space.
For nearly a half century, the cooperative and peaceful uses of space have yielded immense benefits to humans worldwide. Despite Cold War tensions and the technical capability to do so, no nation has deployed destructive weapons in space or destroyed the satellites of another nation.
The policy of preserving peace in space has not only been an international policy, Mr. Chairman, it has also been a national policy. The National Aeronautic and Space Act passed in 1958 stated that it ``is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.''
Yet despite any amendment to law or consideration by Congress, the policy of preserving peace in space changed significantly, behind closed doors.
Why this policy has changed is a mystery. No other country has taken any steps to develop space-based weapons. Space assets of the United States have received no national security threats. Our national security threats are far from outer space. They are on the ground. Yet, with little public debate, the Pentagon has already spent billions of dollars developing space weapons and preparing plans to deploy them.
The Air Force has recently sought President Bush's approval of a national security directive that could move the U.S. closer to fielding space weapons. This new policy would alienate our friends and mobilize our potential enemies.
Moving forward with plans to weaponize space would create an arms race in space. It would be counterproductive to U.S. national security to give potential adversaries reasons to accelerate development of space weapons technology. Pursuing space weapons would also bankrupt our Nation
with a hefty price tag of up to $1 trillion according to published studies by leading weapons scientists, physicists, and engineers. The financial repercussions of a space-based weapons system would trickle down to every sector of our society: our national security, economy, health care, education, social services, and foreign policy.
It would be very easy to prevent the inevitable catastrophe that would result from an armed race in space. The United States, the only country moving forward with plans to put weapons in space, despite any national security threat, would need to stop in its tracks and work with other nations to negotiate an international legal framework for the peaceful use of space.
Support the Kucinich amendment to commence negotiations for an international treaty banning space-based weapons. This country should not make of the planet Earth a death star. We need to support international cooperation for the peaceful use of technology in space. Support the Kucinich amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I have the right to close. I will continue to reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
If the gentleman had the opportunity to read the amendment, he would see that it has to do with commencing negotiations on an international treaty banning space-based weapons. The U.S. Space Command has a program called Vision 2020 which really is about U.S. domination of space.
Now, the American people ought to know whether their Members of Congress are prepared to spend up to a trillion dollars so we start the next arms race in outer space. This is apart from the issue of protecting our Nation with antiballistic missiles. It is a whole different debate. This is about taking the arms race into outer space. And what I am asking for is for an international treaty where all nations would agree we should not do that.
But some in this Congress want to take weapons to go to outer space so the United States can control the world from outer space. Mr. Chairman, that is simply nuts. And what I am suggesting is that we ought to be talking to other nations about eliminating an arms race in outer space to protect future generations. You know, a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away people were not talking about killing each other. We should be talking about a treaty to ban weapons in space.
Mr. Chairman, with all due respect to the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher), the author of the amendment, what protects American citizens in this country and around the world is this country's adherence to the rule of law and this country's abiding by international law.
Wherever we have seen violations of international law if they are endorsed by the United States, it jeopardizes the security of American citizens everywhere. I think that is the point of those who are challenging this amendment which would unfortunately seem to gloss over the torture that has occurred at various places of detention.
We certainly have a right to secure this country and to make sure that American citizens are safe. But the only way we can do that effectively is to make sure that we show respect for the law and to make sure that we show condemnation, not just of terrorists, but condemnation of torture.
I think this amendment, while I certainly respect the dedication of the
gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) to the American people, I think that we need to challenge the underlying assumption, and that is that torture should not be tolerated.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, before we take up amendment 20, I would like to step back to amendment 6 of yesterday. I had…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, before we take up amendment 20, I would like to step back to amendment 6 of yesterday. I had submitted an amendment made in order under the rule to strike proposed changes to U.S. economic and military aid to Egypt yesterday. I decided not to offer this amendment.
I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman.
I yield to the gentleman from California.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman from California. I appreciate the offer by the chairman and ranking Democrat to look at this, and I look forward to working with them and the administration on this matter.
On that, Mr. Chairman, I would like to move to amendment No. 20.
Amendment 20 was made in order because it is dealing with an important matter. This amendment takes the necessary and commonsense steps to enhance the security of American passports. It will help to eliminate three major loopholes currently present in the passport acquisition process that have been exploited by criminals, especially over the last 5 years.
First, it requires the Secretary of State to submit a report that describes the weaknesses of identification documents, including birth certificates, required for the issuance of passports. This report will lay out the minimum acceptable criteria for birth certificates issued by State and county governments in order for the certificates to be accepted by the State Department for the purpose of obtaining a passport.
Second, the amendment establishes a requirement that all passport agents undergo background investigations and comprehensive training programs to improve fraudulent document detection and thereby reduce fraud. This will make it harder for insiders to sell passports to criminals and terrorists and easier for government authorities to discover those who do. The Secretary of State would be authorized to determine requirements for both background checks and oversight of these agents.
Finally, Mr. Chairman, and without a doubt most importantly, this amendment expands the authority of the United States Government to investigate cases of illegal sales of passports and visas by U.S. Government personnel. It authorizes the Federal District Court of the District of Columbia to issue warrants in such cases and authorizes special agents under the direction of the director of the Diplomatic Security Service to execute such warrants.
It will also require foreign service officers and other personnel serving abroad in diplomatic positions, including ambassadors, to waive any challenge to the Federal court jurisdiction over matters involving the illegal sale of a passport or a visa or any other matter involving official corruption. The waiver would include any legal challenges to the diplomatic security conducting investigations for the same.
This will resolve the current impasse that happens in a significant number of foreign countries when local magistrates and police officials are barred under respective local laws from allowing investigations by anybody into the homes of diplomats.
Mr. Chairman, the requirements laid out in this amendment will raise the State Department's ability to detect and eliminate passport fraud. It is critical for our Nation's security that we implement the measures I have laid out.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Flake).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, in closing, I would like to offer my assurances to the ranking member that it was never the intention of this amendment to eclipse the postal service's good efforts; and the portion of the amendment that deals with State Department developing in no way, shape, or form is intended to stop the training from being conducted by the appropriate agency in the appropriate place. I look forward to working with the ranking member to clarify that in any language necessary.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition, although I do not oppose the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support and to help offer this amendment along with my colleague the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson). We have worked together in the past to address these issues of intellectual property theft, and I look forward to continuing to work with her to address these issues in the future.
Intellectual property theft continues to be one of the biggest threats to American companies doing business abroad. While we have begun to focus on the biggest offenders, China and Russia, where intellectual property theft costs American companies billions of dollars each year, we cannot afford to ignore the copyright piracy taking place in other regions of the world.
This amendment would direct the funding to activities in countries that are not members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, OECD, under the auspices of the State Department's Economic Bureau. These funds will be used for a wide range of activities, including assistance in procuring equipment to combat piracy, posting intellectual property experts abroad to help train foreign officers and to improve local enforcement of intellectual property laws.
This amendment will help ensure that the State Department has the adequate tools to engage with foreign governments and to assist them in developing an infrastructure to enforce their laws. I urge my colleagues to support the Watson-Issa amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith).
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment. Mr. Chairman, this is a two-page amendment. If it were a one-page amendment, I would be an enthusiastic supporter. The declaration of policy…
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, this is a two-page amendment. If it were a one-page amendment, I would be an enthusiastic supporter. The declaration of policy urging our government to promote the emergence of a democratic Palestinian government is greatly to be desired.
I must say the fifth item, insisting that it acknowledges, respects, and upholds the human rights of all people, if they would do everything else here, respect the right of Israel to exist, repudiate terrorism, that would be sufficient for me. We have some people we work with who do not uphold the human rights of all people. But in general I like the declaration. I do not think, however, that we should impose these restrictions on the funding.
This is an issue on which I trust President Bush and Prime Minister Sharon. Those are not people with whom I am always allied. I believe that Prime Minister Sharon, a political figure with whom I have not always found myself in agreement, I have said if I lived in Israel, I would not vote for Ariel Sharon. If he lived in Brookline, he would not vote for me. We can get along. Although I think he probably occupies more of my thinking than I do of his. But I admire his willingness to go forward with a policy that I think is very much in the interest of Israel.
I, as an American Jew, and I will be in Israel in August and I will be there again in January, I share the goal of a secure Israel as a Jewish democratic nation, and I admire the insight of Prime Minister Sharon and Deputy Prime Minister Olmert, that an Israel which governs millions of hostile Palestinians will have a hard time being Jewish and democratic, and, therefore, I support Israel's effort to reach peace. There is no guarantee that it is possible. It is a difficult situation. But I do not think we in Congress should make it more difficult.
There are people within Israel who do not agree with what Prime Minister Sharon is doing, but they have not been able to get a majority in the Israeli parliament, the Knesset. I do not want to see them win a partial victory in the U.S. House of Representatives that they cannot win in the Knesset.
While I agree with the declaration of policy, I believe that restrictions on funding to the Palestinian Authority ought to be left to the decision of the executive branch. I trust George Bush on this, and I trust this administration. I believe they are as committed to the declaration of policy as any of us. And I think in this case it is important for them to have some flexibility.
I do not find the Palestinian Authority any model of democratic governance, but it is clearly in everybody's interest, and the Israeli government agrees to this, to have the Palestinian Authority strengthened vis-a-vis the terrorists of Hamas. Maybe the right way to do it will be to cut back; maybe it will not be. I do not think that is a judgment we can make here.
Again, when we have in power an Israel and a United States with democratically elected governments that are committed to this process, having these congressional restrictions, I believe, is a hindrance; and this notion no more than 25 percent can be spent in a quarter does not, to me, have any substantive policy reason. Maybe there will be a joint decision by Prime Minister Sharon and President Bush that the Palestinian Authority is in fact doing what it should do and they want to be able to give them more money in a period of time. I do not think it is appropriate for this Congress to restrict that.
So I agree with the declaration of policy. If we were in the whole House, I would ask unanimous consent that the amendment be modified for that purpose, but I cannot do it in the Committee of the Whole, and I would vote for that. But I do not think we should impose these restrictions on the funding for the Palestinian Authority as a sign we do not trust President Bush and the Government of Israel jointly to make those decisions.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
I am always puzzled when in defense of an amendment we are told that it is really not going to mean anything. We are told the President can waive it. Well, frankly, I think the purpose of an amendment is not to waive it, W-A-I-V-E, but for some of us to wave it, W-A-V-E, as a sign of what we think.
I am all in favor of this declaration, but I think the amendment's operative part restricting funding might get in the way. The single most important issue, it seems to me, is that the Palestinian Authority should agree to disarm and dismantle any terrorist agency network or facility. I agree that is essential. They have to be willing to confront Hamas, but they cannot do it without money. What are they going to do it with, rhetoric?
We are taking a gamble, there is no question. If the Palestinian Authority is in the end unwilling or unable to meet these responsibilities, then there will not be peace. That will be a tragedy for all concerned, but mostly for the Palestinians. No one should ask Israel to go forward if that is not the case.
That makes it all the more important to do everything we can to enable the Palestinian Authority and pressure them to do this. The problem is playing yo-yo with the funding does not work.
The President has the authority now to stop. We cannot force him to spend foreign aid. The President will do this in consultation with the Israeli government, with Vice Premier Paris, who works on this.
I believe this is an unwise intrusion of Congress. We do not have a disagreement here. We say we agree with Sharon's government of trying to see if peace can be made. We agree with the administration. I do not think that this kind of intervention by Congress is going to be helpful with a difficult and delicate peace process.
Mr. Chairman, I have heard a number of Members who oppose this amendment talk about the importance of sending the right message to the world. We should send the right message. We should send the…
Mr. Chairman, I have heard a number of Members who oppose this amendment talk about the importance of sending the right message to the world. We should send the right message. We should send the truth. Here is the truth, which dozens of Members know because they have attended the open and classified briefings we have had on Guantanamo. We have spent as much time in the Committee on Armed Services over the last 3 or 4 weeks working on the security of people in Guantanamo as we have working on our own troops in the warfighting theaters in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Number one, there has not been a single death in Guantanamo. There is not a Member who has argued against this amendment who can say at the same time there has not been a single death in their own prison system in the State they come from.
Everybody in Guantanamo is allowed five prayer calls a day. That means we use our loudspeaker system to bring them to prayer call. We give them 20 minutes of quiet time. We give them great meals. We give them a medical system we have looked over very carefully, Democrats and Republicans, which is considered to be as good as any HMO system in this country, in which every detainee gets four checkups, on average, per month.
We have had over 24,000 interrogations in Guantanamo, and here are the facts: People have talked about the use of dogs, the fact that dogs have been present at Guantanamo at various times, especially with the 20th hijacker, Mr. al Kahtani, who was subject to the most stressful type of interrogation. There is not one recorded instance in any investigation of a dog biting a prisoner.
There are only a couple of recorded instances of a prisoner being struck by a guard, and the one time when a guard struck a prisoner that happened on General Hood's watch. That guard was struck by the prisoner, I believe he knocked a tooth out. The guard hit him with a handheld radio. The guard, the American, was busted.
The watch word in Guantanamo is honor bound. The troops who guard those people in Guantanamo, who are hijackers, who do include Osama bin Laden's bodyguards, who do include the 20th hijacker, the guy who was destined to be on that plane that went into the ground in Pennsylvania, the guy who was forced to listen to rock music, that is the torture that the gentleman from New York was alleging to. The people who guard those individuals who are dangerous are outstanding American soldiers who are in fact honor bound.
I would put Guantanamo up against the prison system of any of the gentlemen who have spoken against this amendment from their own States. Guantanamo has a better record with fewer injuries, better record with no deaths, better medical treatment, and they have a better record for methods of interrogation, which, incidentally, Republican and Democrat Members have been allowed to watch over and over.
So the gentleman who could not understand why any hearings are being held, I suggest you turn on C-SPAN and watch them.
I urge all Members to vote for this amendment. It makes no sense to close down this important prison where we put terrorists.
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Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me this time to give my two cents' worth in this debate.
First, let me just say that I understand and I think we should all appreciate that everyone, folks on both sides of this argument, come at it from the perspective of what they think is good for the country. But I think it is absolutely wrong for the country to set a timetable for an exit from Iraq. The timetable and our exit strategy should be the standing up of the Iraqi forces so that they can protect this government that they are putting in place through a representative system in which people are allowed to go to the polls, vote for their elected leaders, and have those leaders represent them until they decide to vote again.
This idea of freedom, of democracy, which was embraced, I think, with unexpected exuberance by the Iraqi people, is something that we should be very respectful of, and we should also be respectful of our great men and women who right now have turned a major portion of their purpose, our uniformed personnel in Iraq, to the training up of the Iraqi forces. There is purpose, and the gentlewoman said it well, there is purpose in our forces, whether one is talking to general officers or talking to the troops on the line who are working those difficult areas of operation like Fallujah and Mosul and Tikrit and other places.
We have David Petraeus, one of the finest officers who ever served this country, former head of the 101st Airborne, who is in charge of training up the Iraqi forces. He is doing a good job. But this timetable is not something we can predict because there are lots of variables. The variables include the threat. They include the time that it takes to bring the various pieces of this Iraqi defense apparatus into place, to put those leaders who have to answer to this civil government in place. All these things mean that we must proceed at pace, but we must proceed
at our own pace and the pace of the Iraqi people. Not an arbitrary timetable.
Please support this amendment.
I thank the gentleman for yielding and for his courtesy today. Mr. Chairman, I want to commend my colleague, the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher), for raising the important issue of…
I thank the gentleman for yielding and for his courtesy today.
Mr. Chairman, I want to commend my colleague, the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher), for raising the important issue of detention and interrogation of terror suspects here on the House floor. I firmly agree that the executive must have the authority to capture, detain, and interrogate international terrorists to prevent future attacks and to process and punish those who have been captured.
Over a year ago, I traveled to Guantanamo Bay with the gentleman from North Carolina (Chairman Coble) and other Judiciary Committee members. We toured the facility and recognized the critical work that our soldiers are performing. It was also clear that important intelligence is being derived from detainee interviews, and our servicemembers have done difficult and courageous work guarding some of the most dangerous people in the world.
Nonetheless, Mr. Chairman, there is still a significant issue arising out of our Nation's policy of detentions at Guantanamo, namely, the lack of any congressional authorization or imprimatur upon the policies underlining those detentions.
Last month I introduced Guantanamo Detainees Procedures Act of 2005, legislation that would provide for the swift and deliberate processing and prosecution of detainees in that matter that meets all the country's national security needs and establishes due process standards.
Over 500 detainees are currently held at Guantanamo Bay, most of them captured in Afghanistan after the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. Some detainees have been there for more than 3 years without being charged.
My legislation would do the following: first, it would affirm that the executive has the power to detain foreign nationals as unlawful combatants. Second, it would provide for a timely hearing before an independent military judicial officer to review the designation of enemy combatant. Third, it would require the government to bring formal charges against detainees or to repatriate them to their country of origin unless there was substantial likelihood of torture, unless the Secretary of Defense certifies that additional time is needed to continue with the interrogation, that the person still remains a threat to the United States, and that by the bringing of formal charges it would curtail the intelligence gathering process.
Finally, it requires the Department of Defense to put the cases before tribunals that operate under clear standards and procedures. Finally, it would require annual reports to Congress on the status of all detainees.
Recently, I have been heartened by the bipartisan calls from Members of the Senate upon the Congress to forge legislation which specifically addresses the standards and procedures to be followed for military detainees. Frankly, I am surprised there are not more voices in Congress raising this issue that are not demanding that Congress act to set limits, not only in the detention of foreign nationals, but as in the case with Jose Padilla and Hamdi, on Americans or those that are lawfully residing in this country.
But I have found a new and powerful ally in the United States Supreme Court. As many know, the district and appellate courts have reached conflicting results about whether the executive's power to detain enemy combatants and under what conditions those powers can be used. Justice Scalia, in one of his dissenting opinions, commented, ``I frankly do not know whether the tools are sufficient to meet the government's security needs, including the need to obtain intelligence through interrogation. It is far beyond my competence or the Court's competence to determine that, but it is not beyond Congress's.''
We could not have, I think, a stronger admonition that we need to act in Congress. And I would ask my colleagues to consider legislation rather than the piecemeal decision-making by the courts. Article I, section 8 of the Constitution provides that the Congress, and not the President, has the power to make rules concerning captures on land and water, to make all laws necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers and all other powers vested in the Constitution in the Government of the United States, define and punish offenses against the law of nations and to constitute tribunals.
Mr. Chairman, a sense of Congress is good, but not enough. I urge my colleagues to examine my proposed legislation, a proposal that would affirm the executive's authority to detain foreign national terror suspects, but provide for the swift and deliberate processing and prosecution of detainees in a manner that protects our Nation and expresses our commitment to the rule of law. The Guantanamo Detainees Procedures Act of 2005 will ensure that the hallmark of our democracy is not compromised.
Mr. Chairman, I want to express my appreciation to the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) for offering this amendment. I know that he is a man of great sincerity and he offers this from his…
Mr. Chairman, I want to express my appreciation to the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher) for offering this amendment. I know that he is a man of great sincerity and he offers this from his point of view in the right way.
But the interesting thing about it from my perspective is it gives us an opportunity to talk about some of these issues and this opportunity is a rare opportunity indeed.
It is unfortunate that it is so rare that we have an opportunity on this floor in the context of legislation to talk about the tragedy in Iraq and the so-called global war on terrorism. In this regard and the context of this amendment which focuses attention on the activities in Guantanamo Bay and pretends that all of those activities are upstanding and lawful, and in the language of the amendment ``lawful, humane interrogation,'' we find in experience that this interrogation that has been carried out as a result of this so-called war on terrorism has often not been lawful and not been humane. It has not been lawful in the sense that it has violated the third Geneva Convention.
It has not been lawful in the sense that it has violated other aspects of international law, including the United Nations, and it has violated our own domestic law frequently.
In Guantanamo, and even more so in other places such as Abu Ghraib and Camp Cropper and Bagram Air Base where the interrogation carried out has been unlawful, has been inhumane and has brought us terrible, deep disgrace in the face of the rest of the world and placed a terrible burden on our country and our military people around the world.
How did this all happen? We know that a significant number of military personnel, both enlisted and officers, have been prosecuted and convicted as a result of the inhumane treatment that has been carried on in these camps.
How did it occur? We are led to believe, we are being asked to believe that just a handful of inexperienced, rough hewn Americans invented these activities indiscriminately in several different places by themselves, that this was not done in any concerted way. But the circumstantial evidence that we have is quite different. And I say circumstantial evidence because this Congress has abandoned its responsibility to investigate this matter.
There have been inadequate hearings by this House of Representatives to look into this issue to see exactly what has been going on. But the circumstantial evidence that we have indicates that these orders for this kind of ill-treatment came out of the Secretary of Defense, transmitted to the Under Secretary for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone. He was then sent down to Guantanamo and gave the information to Geoffrey Miller. And he then carried it out in Guantanamo and then in Camp Cropper and in other places throughout the system that has been developed as a result of this illegal, unjust and unnecessary war in Iraq which has corrupted the focus of our legitimate attention, which is the attack of the al Qaeda terrorists on this country on September 11, 2001.
We have abandoned all of that for the sake of this illegal, unjust, unnecessary war in Iraq which has now placed such a terrible burden, psychologically, emotionally and financially, on this country. So this resolution that we have here gives us an opportunity to examine these issues, and to examine them carefully, but to examine them in the way that they need to be examined. We need the leadership here in the House of Representatives, the chairmen of the appropriate committees, to begin hearings as to what exactly happened and why it happened, who gave the orders, under what circumstances were those orders given, to whom were they given, why was this activity of persecution and torture which has been criticized by the International Committee on the Red Cross, internally by an independent Army investigation and also on numerous occasions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
We need to get to the bottom of this. Let us begin to do it.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
I appreciate the gentleman's statements and I understand what he is saying very well. But the fact of the matter is that our attention has been drawn away from the real circumstances here.
We were attacked, yes. The Taliban was harboring the al Qaeda network and we went after them in Afghanistan and rightly so. And all but one Member of this House supported that activity on both sides of the aisle.
But then for illegitimate reasons, we were forced into this unnecessary and illegal and unjust war in Iraq which has taken our attention and our resources away from the terrorists who
conducted those attacks. We need to get back on that, and we need to investigate why this is happening.
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Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I want to begin by thanking the chairman, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), and my dear friend,…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I want to begin by thanking the chairman, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), and my dear friend, the ranking member, the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos), for helping with this amendment.
Since the 1993 Oslo Accord, the United States has given more than $1.8 billion to the Palestinians. In that same time we have given over $130 million directly to the Palestinian Authority. We have given this assistance despite no accountability, no modern financial controls, no transparency, and no actual knowledge of where our taxpayers' dollars are going.
The amendment I have introduced, along with the gentleman from New York (Mr. Crowley), would force the Palestinian Authority to be accountable, finally, for the money given by the United States. It would also provide Congress with the ability to end the aid if the certification requirements of this bill are not met.
My amendment mandates only 25 percent of direct aid to the Palestinian Authority can be spent in any one calendar quarter, instead of all the money being obligated at the beginning of the year. Each quarter the Palestinian Authority can spend another 25 percent of the total aid package as long as they meet the certification requirements. The overall aid package remains unchanged.
The amendment contains a declaration of policy that the United States should promote the emergence of a democratic Palestinian government that denounces and combats terrorism; that works to eliminate terrorist incitement; that has agreed to respect the boundaries and sovereignty of all of its neighbors; and that respects the human rights of all people.
If at some point during the year Congress is unsatisfied with how the money is being spent or if the Palestinian Authority fails to meet their certification requirements; if the PA has not taken concrete steps to end terrorism; if the Palestinian Authority has not made demonstrable progress towards democracy; if the PA has not dismantled the terrorist infrastructure and ended incitement, Congress can stop the flow of money.
If the Palestinian Authority lives up to its responsibility and honors its commitment, then our aid to the Palestinians will flow unfettered, and in the exact same amount. However, if the Palestinian Authority fails to live up to its responsibility and violence consumes the region, if another intifada begins, if it turns out that our aid is used to fund Hamas, Islamic jihad, or other terrorist organizations,
then Congress should discontinue the aid. This amendment gives us that option.
To be clear, the amendment would not end humanitarian aid and assistance within the territories controlled by the Palestinian Authority. It would not affect the overall amount of aid provided to the Palestinian Authority. It requires the accountability that should be a necessary component of foreign aid and that Congress should expect from all of those entities that accept foreign aid from the United States and our taxpayers. I urge the adoption of the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I am delighted the gentleman from Massachusetts agrees with the declaration, but I would like to point out to those of us who are voting here that these are American taxpayer dollars and Congress has a responsibility to have some accountability and ensure some transparency before we give money away.
The United States Congress has no apology to make to the Palestinian Authority. Since 1993, we have given over $1.8 billion to the Palestinian Authority. We have yet to get an accounting for a single one of those dollars. And also included in this amendment is a waiver, a Presidential waiver. If he is unsatisfied or wants to waive our restriction, he has the ability to do so. This gives the President an additional tool.
Mr. Chairman, may I inquire as to how much time I have remaining?
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Crowley).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
The problem the Palestinian Authority has has nothing to do with money. They have had millions. As a matter of fact, Arafat has stolen millions and millions of American taxpayer dollars over the last several years.
This amendment denounces and combats terrorism, works to eliminate terrorist incitement, and states that the Palestinians agree to respect the boundaries and sovereignty of all of its neighbors and respect human rights. That is not asking a lot. This Congress has a responsibility to ensure that is something the Palestinians can do for this money.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the distinguished gentleman very much for yielding me this time and for his leadership and passion on this issue. I thank my friend, the gentleman from California (Mr.…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the distinguished gentleman very much for yielding me this time and for his leadership and passion on this issue.
I thank my friend, the gentleman from California (Mr. Rohrabacher), for really giving us the opportunity to have a full flush, if you will, a full discussion on this matter. It would be certainly somewhat untoward to suggest that one would rise to not applaud some of the good works that we find at Guantanamo Bay, but I think it is important that we try to turn on the lights and get out of the dark tunnel on this whole issue of why many of us want to bring to the attention of the American people the element of Guantanamo Bay that needs to be reformed and that we need to be concerned about.
Let me again add my applause to the chairman, the gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), and the gentlewoman from California (Mrs. Tauscher) for the delegation they led to Guantanamo Bay just a few weeks ago, and which I was part of. I was able to see over the time the improvements, the physical improvements, Mr. Chairman, that in fact resources from the United States through the leadership of our then- chairman, the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Hobson), were able to provide for those detainees and for those particular soldiers.
It does not go to the question of why we are on the floor today to the fact that the accommodations have been rebuilt, the training of those soldiers has been improved, the dining apparently has improved to the extent that the detainees like American food. That is not the issue. The accommodations, whether they are four star or five star is not really the issue that we are debating. I also acknowledge the work of General Hood and his commitment to the professionalizing of that staff.
I always am reminded of a phrase my grandmother shared with me, somewhat biblical: for those who are failing to remember the past, they are doomed to repeat it. I stand here today to suggest we must not close our eyes on the concerns many of us have about Guantanamo Bay, whether or not we happen to be opponents of the Iraq war.
And for once I am going to say, for the millions of Americans who are questioning the rightness of the Iraq war, the rightness of the premise of the Iraq war, we are not going to allow you to demonize our patriotism. We are not going to stand here and accept the fact that because we raise constitutional questions there is something wrong with our patriotism. There is something in the fifth amendment that says that you are due liberty and due process on the right of life and liberty. There is something to that.
My good friend stood here and said that an amputee that we nursed back to health was sent back to do harm. None of us who understand the law would in any way concede that we should have let him out. But the problem is that we have no system of justice that allows us to indict, to try and to convict and to detain. That is what the American people need to understand. We have individuals there that have had no process, no opportunity for the intervention of the courts, no opportunity for appeal, and no opportunity for us to convict and try and hold. And when I say convict, I mean indict, try, and hold.
So the report that just came out and was just issued that we need to understand, written in the article on July 14, unfortunately, we have not gotten to the source. We are holding young recruits or young Reservists as, if you will, responsible for Abu Ghraib, when we know one of the chief designers of that was Secretary Rumsfeld, who signed the document that allowed them to do that kind of interrogating of one of the 9/11 bombers, if you will.
It is important for the American people to know that all of these people here are not related to 9/11 per se. They may be Taliban members. They may have been gathered up in a big sweep in Afghanistan, young kids who came in at 17 and now are 21. So there needs to be a process by which we deal with this.
I finish on this: the Geneva Convention, which we ignore, says: ``Outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment, is outlawed.'' We need to understand that we can detain people properly, we can have due process, and we can have indictments and we can have convictions; but we cannot have what is going on in Guantanamo Bay that leads to an Abu Ghraib. We must understand that we are better than that.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. This amendment, which I am offering with the gentleman from California (Mr. Royce), would confirm that it…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
This amendment, which I am offering with the gentleman from California (Mr. Royce), would confirm that it is the policy of the United States to bring Charles Taylor to justice.
Charles Taylor is one of the most notorious criminal thugs loose in the world today. He bears great personal responsibility for the series of wars that have wracked West Africa over the last 2 decades.
The Liberian civil war was noted for its barbarism, and Taylor was the most barbaric of the bunch. He was celebrated for his widespread use of child soldiers, which he organized into the so-called ``Small Boys Units.''
Taylor's efforts extended beyond the borders of Liberia. The Special Court for Sierra Leone has indicted Taylor on 17 counts of war crimes. According to the court, Taylor provided ``guidance and direction'' to a ``joint criminal enterprise which was to take any actions necessary to gain and exercise political power and control over the territory of Sierra Leone . . . ''
The court's indictment says Taylor and his cronies were responsible for ``unlawful killings, abductions, forced labor, physical and sexual violence, use of child soldiers, looting and burning of civilian structures.'' Taylor ``participated in this joint criminal enterprise as part of his continuing efforts to gain access to the mineral wealth of Sierra Leone and to destabilize the government of Sierra Leone.''.
Mr. Chairman, I include the full text of the court's indictment of Taylor in the Record:
The Special Court for Sierra Leone, Case No. SCSL-03-I, The Prosecutor Against Charles Ghankay Taylor Also Known as Charles Ghankay MacArthur
Dapkpana Taylor
indictment
The Prosecutor, Special Court for Sierra Leone, under
Article 15 of the Statute of the Special Court for Sierra
Leone (the Statute) charges: CHARLES GHANKAY TAYLOR also
known as (aka) CHARLES GHANKAY MACARTHUR DAPKPANA TAYLOR with
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from California (Mr. Lantos).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
This amendment, which I am offering with the gentleman from California (Mr. Issa), would authorize $5 million for the State Department to work to improve intellectual property law and enforcement in developing countries. Specifically, the Watson-Issa amendment would direct the funding to activities in countries that are not members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development under the auspices of the State Department's Economic Bureau. These funds could be used for a wide range of activities, including posting IP experts abroad to help train foreign officials and improve enforcement of intellectual property laws.
According to the recent figures from the International Intellectual Property Association, worldwide motion picture piracy losses for 2003 are estimated to be between $3 billion and $4 billion. More than 52 million illegal optical discs of MPAA member companies were seized worldwide during the same year, a result of 31,000 raids and more than 65,000 investigations. These numbers do not include the illegal file- sharing on the Internet.
Our government continues to work to secure legal protections for American-produced intellectual property.
We work with numerous countries to improve their legal codes and law enforcement training, to enforce intellectual property protections, but we also found that if the political will in foreign capitals to enforce these protections is lacking, all the training in the world will fail to reduce piracy and counterfeiting. For that reason, we must make sure that our State Department has adequate funding and tools to engage foreign governments and convince them of the need to enforce these laws.
I want to note that this sensible, bipartisan amendment has been adopted twice in the full House within the past 2 years. Unfortunately, the Senate never passed this authorization. So I look forward to having this amendment adopted once again as part of the foreign relations authorization bill.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, as someone who has worked more than 12 years to protect the Great Lakes, I have serious concerns about this amendment and I…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, as someone who has worked more than 12 years to protect the Great Lakes, I have serious concerns about this amendment and I would urge my colleagues to oppose it. To be clear, I strongly support the amendment's stated intent. Congress should encourage the Great Lakes Governors to work together to develop a common standard for Great Lakes water withdrawal. But there is little similarity between the gentleman from Michigan's stated intent and the real effect of his amendment.
The Rogers amendment would, for the first time ever, put Congress on record as granting all management authority over the Great Lakes to the eight State Governors and two provincial governments of Canada. In doing so, it would undermine our efforts to protect the lakes from oil and gas drilling, wastewater blending, invasive species, and water diversions. In short, the Rogers amendment would be a recipe for disaster for the Great Lakes.
This amendment is absurd. Would Congress cede control of coastal portions of the Atlantic Ocean to a foreign government? Would we allow Mexico the power to decide whether or not to drill for oil and gas in the Gulf off the coast of Florida, Louisiana or Mississippi? The answer is absolutely not. So why would Congress cede management control over the Great Lakes, the source of drinking water for over 33 million Americans, to Canada or any other foreign power? If you vote for the Rogers amendment, that is exactly what you would be doing, giving away our national sovereignty.
Current law already allows the States a great deal of input into Great Lakes management. It strikes the appropriate balance between the State and the Federal Government. It is the right way to protect the Great Lakes. It ensures that we have one smart policy to protect the Great Lakes, not eight. That is why Annex 2001 requires congressional approval.
Specifically, this amendment uses the phrase ``remain vested'' when referring to the Great Lakes States' management authority. Congress has never provided full management authorities of the Great Lakes to the States. How can the States ``remain vested'' with authority that Congress has never granted?
This language is not a minor detail. In reality, it would mean the Federal Government would be ceding its lead role in protecting the Great Lakes to several States and to Canada. This is not a recipe for a smart, coordinated effort to protect our Great Lakes.
As Members decide how they will vote on the Rogers amendment, I ask them to consider the following: The Federal Government does have a role in the policies regarding the Great Lakes, just as we have a role in policies governing coastal issues along our ocean borders.
If Members support the environment and want to protect our country's largest source of fresh water, vote no on the Rogers amendment. We cannot risk having eight different policies from eight different Great Lakes States.
If Members support the Constitution, vote no on the Rogers amendment. We should never cede control of our natural resources to two Canadian premiers.
This amendment is inconsistent with constitutional interpretation, and could provide States more leverage to negotiate directly with other countries on interests of national concerns regarding the Great Lakes. A simple reading of the Rogers amendment, especially the last paragraph, could only lead to two conclusions: Either the amendment fails to understand law or it is purposely attempting to undermine existing Great Lakes protections. In either case, the amendment should be defeated.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Emanuel).
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentlewoman from Minnesota (Ms. McCollum), who has been a champion on this issue.
(Ms. McCOLLUM asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition, although I do not oppose the amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3\1/2\ minutes. I am pleased to join the gentlewoman from…
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to claim the time in opposition, although I do not oppose the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself 3\1/2\ minutes.
I am pleased to join the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson), a colleague on the Committee on International Relations, in offering this important amendment. As the gentlewoman has explained, this amendment states that it shall be the policy of the United States to seek the expeditious transfer of Charles Taylor to the Special Court for Sierra Leone so that he can be tried for war crimes.
Mr. Chairman, Charles Taylor has been indicted on 17 counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity by the Special Court for the role that he played in Sierra Leone's brutal war. This hybrid court, which has been supported by this body, has been given jurisdiction over those who bear the greatest responsibility for the atrocities and the human rights violations.
And those atrocities were, indeed, widespread. Human rights violations there were grave. During the 1990s, then-President Taylor of Liberia supported what was called the Revolutionary United Front. That was designated by the State Department as a terrorist organization. He supported them in Sierra Leone, and they were notorious for hacking off the limbs and the arms and the legs even of young children. When I chaired the Africa Subcommittee, we hosted some of those victims on Capitol Hill, child victims; and we held numerous hearings examining the chaos in West Africa caused by this one man, Charles Taylor.
In May, the House overwhelmingly passed Resolution 127, and the Senate concurred, calling on the Nigerian Government to transfer Taylor to the Special Court. I still have hope; yet today, Charles Taylor continues to safely reside in exile in Nigeria. In August of 2003, some believed that removing Taylor from Liberia and giving him exile would prevent Liberia and West Africa from destabilization.
Instead of facing justice at the Special Court in Freetown, though, Taylor was given a seaside villa in Calabar, Nigeria; and in exchange, Taylor was supposed to refrain from political activity, but Taylor broke that deal. So 2 years after the exile deal, Taylor is still very much involved in undermining Liberian politics as the nation prepares for elections. He is working to undermine a peace process that has been supported by the United States and Congress with hundreds of millions of dollars, and he said he will return to Liberia.
I believe, and I think my colleagues believe, that he is going to try to return because we remember his words. He said, when he got on that plane, ``God willing, I'll be back.''
Mr. Chairman, Charles Taylor remains a serious and continuing threat to West African peace and security, which is counter to U.S. interests. I am convinced that there will be no chance for peace in West Africa until Taylor is removed. We underestimate him at our peril, and it must be the policy of the United States to seek the transfer of Charles Taylor to the Special Court. This has to be a pillar in our policy towards West Africa. We need to press harder than we have been. Bringing Charles Taylor to justice will help further U.S.-Nigeria relations, help bring peace to Liberia, and strengthen the rule of law on the continent.
It is time for Charles Taylor to face up to his crimes. This amendment deserves the strong support of this House of Representatives.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith), chairman of the Africa, Global Human Rights and International Operations Subcommittee.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, I think this is an important day for the Great Lakes and an important amendment to tell the…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I think this is an important day for the Great Lakes and an important amendment to tell the rest of the country how really important they are--about 94,000 square miles of fresh water, beautiful lakes, beautiful not only in the summer but beautiful in the winter. What we have done over time in the Great Lakes is come to the realization that the people best suited to make the decisions about the Great Lakes are not bureaucrats from Washington, DC, whose only experience with Lake Superior might have been an article in the National Geographic, or our friends from Texas or Arizona or California that certainly have an interest in diverting some of our water but do not understand the environmental impact that that may make to the States that count so dearly on our water. And we have made progress.
After the 1986 annex bill that allowed the States to work together to solve issues of common interest, issues that Wisconsinites and Michiganders and folks from Ohio and Indiana understand are so important, this really reaffirms that. It says we believe that
these folks, including Canada, the provinces that touch the Great Lakes, should have the ability to control water diversion. It is working. We have gotten progress. We have come together. It was really the first piece of legislation that brought Canada to the table to talk about the issues important to all of the Great Lakes States.
Mr. Chairman, there are 18 Great Lakes Members that support this language. The chairman supports this language. Why? Because we understand that 20 percent of the world's fresh water is worth fighting for. It is worth protecting. But it is worth protecting in the sense that we give the authority to Great Lakes Governors and Great Lakes legislators for the purpose of protecting what they know. If you want our water, you really should have to live there in February. It is a beautiful place. Beautiful lakes. Beautiful fresh water. And it is worth protecting. Let us not diffuse the issue. Let us not stop the progress of the Great Lakes Governors and the Great Lakes legislators and the provincial leaders in Canada. We have made huge progress. The lakes are starting to turn around. We have identified mutual areas of interest where we can make even more progress to keep those Great Lakes alive.
This is the amendment, Mr. Chairman, that says we will and we do understand the importance of the Great Lakes Governors and the Great Lakes legislators making the determinations in accordance with law that has passed these bodies several times before.
Mr. Chairman, I yield to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde).
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
It is horribly unfortunate to see partisanship creep into this amendment. Nowhere in this amendment does it talk about oil drilling. This is about the stewardship of the Great Lakes. This recognizes current law that we passed in 2000 by over 300 votes and in 1986 by over 300 votes.
This is about stewardship of the Great Lakes and recognizing the successes of those Governors and those legislatures and the progress that we have made. It is disappointing that we have reached this point. I urge support of this amendment. The Great Lakes Governors and the Great Lakes legislatures deserve our praise.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. In a controversial and sensitive environment, section 1019 requesting a report on consular and visa…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
In a controversial and sensitive environment, section 1019 requesting a report on consular and visa services is not a diplomatic or prudent congressional action at this time.
In the hour of future negotiations between Belgrade, Pristina, and the international community on the status of Kosovo, congressional action of this nature will be perceived as one-sided and prejudicial. Further, moving towards giving authority to the Secretary of State to empower the U.S. Mission in Pristina to render U.S. visas would be a dangerous precedent to set because the United States cannot render visas within the territory of a country without that country's consent in accordance with the Vienna Convention.
Therefore, conducting such a ``report'' is to ignore Serbia's role entirely and sends the wrong message. Kosovo remains within the territory of Serbia and Montenegro, and, therefore, citizens of Kosovo should go to the appropriate place to obtain visa and consular services, which is not prohibitive and, since it is only a 2-hour bus ride, is certainly in keeping with most of the applications that need to be made by those seeking visas across the world.
The text of section 1019 is itself prejudicial, Mr. Chairman. The name of the province, in international use and the official U.S. use, is ``Kosovo,'' not ``Kosova.'' The term ``Kosova'' is a one-ethnicity- based pronunciation of the name of the province. It would be highly prejudicial for the U.S. Congress to refer to Kosovo as ``Kosova,'' which by it would recognize and imply that the province is only Albanian and would ignore the minority populations living there. Albanians would have the same objections to the U.S. Congress referring to Kosovo as ``Kosovo-Metohija.''
Mr. Chairman, Congress should not send the wrong message at the wrong time, and I urge support for this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to my good friend, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith), although he is in opposition to this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith) really was able to get to the heart of the purpose of my amendment, and that is very simply that the Balkan region is one that is fraught with great historical tragedies, with enough heartache and hurt to go around for every ethnic group that is in that area. It certainly is obvious to the world that the ethnic and cultural tensions there are responsible for some incredible tragedies.
It is my contention that the process that takes place there now or is in the imminent process of occurring is important to allow it to go forward in a way that the people on the ground have the greatest control over. My concern is that if the Congress should try to impose from the top down prejudicial language, that it could only exacerbate some of the problems that have caused such tensions there that have led to such death and suffering already.
Mr. Chairman, I would suggest that even though it is true that Kosova has appeared in our bills a number of times in the past, it is in conflict with U.S. policy and with the U.S. official position on Kosovo; and consequently, I do not think that the mistakes of the past would be a foundation for repeating them here today.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I rise today in opposition to this amendment. This amendment attempts to commit the United…
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I rise today in opposition to this amendment. This amendment attempts to commit the United States to a policy that would be detrimental to our national security. U.S. space assets underpin the economic livelihood of our Nation and provide critical capabilities for our warfighters around the world. It would be irresponsible not to ensure that we have the means to protect these assets and our troops. We should not be forced to enter into an agreement that would prematurely tie our hands from the ability to freely and peacefully operate in space.
This Congress and the administration are seriously concerned with the potential problems we have with our existing space satellites, both economically and militarily. As a Member of the House Armed Services Committee and chairman of the Subcommittee on Strategic Forces, we have had several sessions in order to fully understand how to best protect these assets. We are currently engaged in constructive discussions on how to best proceed on this very complex issue. The American people deserve and the Congress must engage in the first ever national discussion on space control before we can even begin to think of approaching the rest of the world, as this amendment would have us do.
This amendment forces a course that would greatly hamper our economy and our national security. I strongly oppose this amendment and urge my colleagues to do the same.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Cramer).
Mr. Chairman, how much time is remaining?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
The gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes), who is the ranking member of my committee, unfortunately or fortunately we have moved the discussion this morning on this bill forward kind of rapidly. And I am at liberty to say that he was going to also oppose this amendment. As I said, the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes) is the ranking member of the strategic subcommittee. And I might point out that the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Cramer) is the ranking member of the Intelligence oversight committee.
We do not even know what a weapon in space is. We are having the first-ever hearings in the history of this country to try to define the course of action that we should take in the future regarding our space assets. Our space assets underpin the economy of our Nation, in addition to being so helpful, as a matter of fact, very necessary to our military. It is a multibillion dollar economy. If we were to go blind in space, if for some reason someone should shut down our assets in space, you would not be able to use a cell phone. You would not be able to use any communications, television or any other kind of communications. You would not be able to use your ATM machine. It would literally cause this entire country to go blind.
This is not a well-conceived amendment. I do not know the purpose of the amendment. I know the gentleman is not on the House Armed Services Committee. I know he is also not on the Intelligence Committee. And I just would have to say I am not real certain of the gentleman's knowledge of this subject.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, I offer this amendment, along with the gentleman from New York (Mr. King) as well as the…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I offer this amendment, along with the gentleman from New York (Mr. King) as well as the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Menendez). Very simply, it deals with disseminating the truth in Havana, Cuba. Many have different opinions as to how this country should deal with Cuba; and for the record this, in my opinion, has nothing to do with travel or trade or some of the more contentious issues that surround our relationship with Cuba. In my opinion, this is very clear and unequivocal.
In Cuba right now, there are fugitives from justice. The reality is, for those who do not know, Cuba is a haven or sanctuary for cold- blooded killers like Joanne Chesimard, who murdered a police officer in cold blood in New Jersey. She now goes by the name of Assata Shakur, so I am told. She is living peacefully in Cuba. The FBI is offering a $1 million reward for information leading to the capture of Ms. Chesimard.
William Morales is a bomb maker who was affiliated with the FALN terrorist organization that wreaked havoc not just in New York but throughout the country. Victims of the FALN included three New York City police officers, Detective Anthony Senft, Detective Richard Pastorella, as well as Officer Rocco Pascarella. New York City is offering $50,000 for information leading to the capture of Mr. Morales.
And those two are not alone. The fact as we know it, while so many are oppressed under the communist regime, there are scores of people on the FBI terrorist watch list who live peacefully in Cuba.
What this amendment does, very simply, is it empowers and encourages the Havana section, the United States Interests Section, Havana to announce the names of those fugitives believed to be living in Cuba and any rewards for their capture. Plain and simple, the Cuban people should know that these fugitives live among them and they should know there may be rewards upwards of $1 million of a bounty for the return of these fugitives to be tried in this country for cold-blooded murders, for bombings, for hijacking, for air piracy, and scores of other crimes. The people of Cuba should know that.
I would hope that everybody would support a very simple message of dissemination of truth to the Cuban people and the swift return of those fugitives who wreaked havoc on individuals and this Nation.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Let me just say I thank the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Menendez), the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith), and all those who encouraged support of this amendment. And if there is one thing this body can agree upon, very simply, it is justice. And that is all this would ultimately bring about, justice for those who lost loved ones and the belief that the Cuban people should be given the truth as it relates to those murderers and fugitives that live among them.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate my good colleague yielding me this time. I have just come back from Guantanamo Bay about 3 weeks ago. In part of my former life, I served with the 256 MP Company at Fort…
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate my good colleague yielding me this time.
I have just come back from Guantanamo Bay about 3 weeks ago. In part of my former life, I served with the 256 MP Company at Fort Hood, Texas. That company had, in addition to traffic responsibilities at Fort Hood, responsibility for the stockade.
We have asked our military, through the civilian leadership, to do two things at Guantanamo Bay: one, keep those detainees in a safe and humane manner. And we are clearly doing that. And, two, to conduct interrogations against standards set by the civilian leadership of this country to glean from these detainees whatever information they have left to help us with conducting this war on terror. Both those missions are being accomplished well.
We have great leadership there, and the men and women who are serving there. Some 10,000 of our soldiers, sailors, and Marines who have circulated through, have undergone extensive training, sensitivity training, which is a phrase I hate, but training to allow them to be more sensitive to the Arab culture. Not to the Islam religion, which we ought to respect, have respect for the Koran and the religious practices, but the customs of the Arabs are respected in a way that does us honor, because we are going to such great extent to accommodate these detainees.
We cannot out-nice the meanness and the hatred of our enemies. We just cannot be so nice to the rest of the world that they will say, in that case, I will not hurt you. They are going to kill us loudly or they are going to kill us softy, but they are going to kill us.
As an example, one of the detainees that we let go presented to us with half his leg blown off. We nursed that person back to health, as we should. We ought to set the gold standard for prisoner treatment. We nursed this person back to health; we fitted him with a prosthesis; and then, after evaluations, we let him go. We put him back in the fight. He has been implicated in the death of a Chinese engineer, kidnapping of another. He has been indicted in the blowing up of a bus with journalists on it, and he has also been indicted in a hotel bombing.
We cannot out-nice our enemies. We have to treat them with respect, but we have to kill them where we have to. The mission going on at Guantanamo Bay is done right, and it is in the right spot. We put those prisoners anywhere else in America, and that spot then becomes a terrorist target. I would rather have that terrorist target and those attentions aimed at Guantanamo Bay, where our Marines man that wire, where the Army conducts this detaining function and does it well. That is the best spot for it.
There is absolutely no reason in my mind we should think about closing Guantanamo Bay. The whole idea of closing it is a red herring. It is meant to distract us from the work we should otherwise be doing. The folks we have there are doing it well. They are well led, well trained, and I support my good colleague's amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I want to thank Chairman Hyde and Ranking Member Lantos for their strong leadership in moving this…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I want to thank Chairman Hyde and Ranking Member Lantos for their strong leadership in moving this important legislation forward. As a member of the International Relations Committee, it has been an honor in my short career here to serve with both of them and all of the members of the committee on this fine piece of legislation.
As a new member of the committee, I have closely followed the events in Latin America and particularly in Venezuela. In fact, this weekend during his weekly radio and television program, President Hugo Chavez urged Venezuelans to embrace, and I quote, his 21st century socialism. This is not surprising considering that since he has taken office in 1999, Chavez has forged strong relations with his Communist friend Fidel Castro. As part of his fiery nationalist rhetoric, Chavez makes almost daily verbal attacks against the United States Government and against freedom, calling it an imperialist menace to world peace and accusing it of trying to topple his regime and kill him.
Most of us are concerned by Chavez's anti-American, anti-freedom speech. However, this rhetoric, coupled with his ever-growing crackdown on freedom and his rapidly increasing domination of the Venezuelan airwaves, has caused many of us to become increasingly alarmed.
Chavez, who already dominates the Venezuelan airwaves, is financing a new state-run TV network patterned after Al-Jazeera. What is more, new laws, including the Law of Social Responsibility in Radio and Television, are being used to snuff out anyone who uses the airwaves to oppose Chavez and his government. Many Venezuelan journalists believe that Chavez is trying to squelch criticism before it starts.
My amendment would focus the resources of the United States Government to counter Chavez's anti-American, anti-freedom messages. It would provide an outlet to the Venezuelan people to hear about the positive ideals of freedom, security and prosperity.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. McCaul).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Simply put, this amendment would authorize the Broadcasting Board of Governors to initiate radio and television broadcasts to Venezuela much like we currently do with Radio and TV Marti in Cuba. Since Chavez came to power, he has moved sharply away from democracy and closer to socialism and maybe even beyond. The United States must take action to ensure that the message of freedom reaches the people of Venezuela. I urge my colleagues to support and vote for this important amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield back the balance of my time.
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[H. Res. 326 Engrossed in House (EH)]
H. Res. 326
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
July 20, 2005.
Whereas the Republic of Azerbaijan is scheduled to hold elections for its
parliament, the Milli Majlis, in November 2005;
Whereas Azerbaijan has enjoyed a strong relationship with the United States
since its independence from the former Soviet Union in 1991;
Whereas international observers monitoring Azerbaijan's October 2003
presidential election found that the pre-election, election day, and
post-election environments fell short of international standards;
Whereas the International Election Observation Mission (IEOM) in Baku,
Azerbaijan, deployed by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in
Europe (OSCE) and the Council of Europe, found that there were numerous
instances of violence by both members of the opposition and government
forces;
Whereas the international election observers also found inequality and
irregularities in campaign and election conditions, including
intimidation of opposition supporters, restrictions on political rallies
by opposition candidates, and voting fraud;
Whereas Azerbaijan freely accepted a series of commitments on democracy, human
rights, and the rule of law when that country joined the Organization
for Security and Cooperation in Europe as a participating State in 1992;
Whereas, following the 2003 presidential election, the Council of Europe adopted
Resolution 1358 (2004) demanding that the Government of Azerbaijan
immediately implement a series of steps that included the release of
political prisoners, investigation of election fraud, and the creation
of public service television to allow all political parties to better
communicate with the people of Azerbaijan;
Whereas, since the 2003 presidential election, the Government of Azerbaijan has
taken a number of positive steps by releasing some political prisoners
and working toward the establishment of public service television;
Whereas a genuinely free and fair election requires that citizens be guaranteed
the right and opportunity to exercise their civil and political rights
free from intimidation, undue influence, threats of political
retribution, or other forms of coercion by national or local authorities
or others;
Whereas a genuinely free and fair election requires government and public
authorities to ensure that candidates and political parties enjoy equal
treatment before the law and that government resources are not employed
to the advantage of individual candidates or political parties; and
Whereas the establishment of a transparent, free and fair election process for
the 2005 parliamentary elections would be an important step in
Azerbaijan's progress toward full integration into the democratic
community of nations: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives--
(1) calls upon the Government of the Republic of Azerbaijan to hold
orderly, peaceful, and free and fair parliamentary elections in November
2005 in order to ensure the long-term growth and stability of the
country;
(2) calls upon the Government of Azerbaijan to guarantee the full
participation of opposition parties in the upcoming elections, including
members of opposition parties arrested in the months leading up to the
November 2005 parliamentary elections;
(3) calls upon the opposition parties to fully and peacefully
participate in the November 2005 parliamentary elections, and calls upon
the Government of Azerbaijan to create the conditions for the
participation on equal grounds of all viable candidates;
(4) believes it is critical that the November 2005 parliamentary
elections be viewed by the people of Azerbaijan as free and fair, and
that all sides refrain from violence during the campaign, on election
day, and following the election;
(5) calls upon the Government of Azerbaijan to guarantee election
monitors from the Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights of
the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), Azeri
political parties, candidates' representatives, nongovernmental
organizations, and other private institutions and organizations, both
foreign and domestic, unimpeded access to all aspects of the election
process;
(6) supports recommendations made by the Council of Europe on
amendments to the Unified Election Code of Azerbaijan, specifically to
ensure equitable representation of opposition and pro-government forces
in all election commissions;
(7) urges the international community and domestic nongovernmental
organizations to provide a sufficient number of election observers to
ensure credible monitoring and reporting of the November 2005
parliamentary elections;
(8) recognizes the need for the establishment of an independent
media and assurances by the Government of Azerbaijan that freedom of the
press will be guaranteed; and
(9) calls upon the Government of Azerbaijan to guarantee freedom of
speech and freedom of assembly.
Attest:
Clerk.