Mr. President, I wish to comment a little bit on that. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for any delays that are happening around here. When we are talking about incorporating in this…
Mr. President, I wish to comment a little bit on that. I think there is plenty of blame to go around for any delays that are happening around here. When we are talking about incorporating in this bill, which deals with small business health plans, an opportunity to give small businessmen a chance at negotiating in the market to bring down costs, with an alternative being proposed--when we are being asked to incorporate into this and put all the weight of the stem cell debate or drug reimportation or Medicare Part D on top of this as a full-blown debate, everybody in this body knows that any one of those would easily take up not just a full week but probably 3 weeks because there would be other kinds of motions and parliamentary objections and processes that would drag any one of those out for that time.
The difficulty with being able to debate anything around here is the
length of time as a result of the right to offer any amendments that anybody wants on any topic. So we do make some efforts to try to keep them relevant. If we do cloture, then they are germane. Germane is a much tougher test, but relevant is not any health care idea in the whole world that could be amended and amended and amended and debated and have processes put in against it that would keep us from ever getting to a decision on small business health plans.
So we are trying to stay with small business health plans. I know Senators Durbin and Lincoln have an alternate approach. The alternate approach ought to be voted on, but the alternate approach should not be voted on to the exclusion of ever getting to a vote on this. So we don't want to have just one of them vote and one side feel very good because they got a vote for that one and the other side never gets to their vote. We are trying to find a way to make sure there are votes on both sides on the issues and that not just one side is taking the tough votes but that we do something so we can get to a conclusion for small business. Yes, we are trying to focus this on the problems of small business.
I would like to speak a little bit on the managers' amendment that is before us because there are some changes to the bill that I think the other side of the aisle will like. In most respects, this amendment corresponds very closely to the underlying bill reported out of the HELP Committee in March. It enables small businesses to pool together to save costs and increase access. It allows small business health plans and other plans to offer more affordable coverage options. It will also help streamline the current hodgepodge of health insurance regulation. However, the managers' amendment does make a number of new and important changes to the bill, most importantly in the area of premium rating.
Before I address the managers' amendment, I want to first emphasize, as I have throughout this debate, that I am eager to start sorting the amendments my colleagues might want to offer. As we start the amendment process, I look forward to debating all amendments from my colleagues on both sides of the aisle that are relevant--I mean relevant to the goal of more affordable health insurance for small business owners and their employees and their families.
I have reviewed some of the amendments Members have filed and want to offer. There are many that don't have any place on this bill and only serve to obstruct or delay passage of the bill--amendments addressing the energy efficiency of hybrid cars, Medicare benefits, hate crimes, and environmental air standards. They don't have any place on this bill. This bill is about health insurance for small business owners and their families and their employees and their families. I stand ready and willing to debate all relevant amendments to this bill.
For instance, Senator Snowe will file an amendment on the issue of benefit mandates. Her amendment would ensure that benefits and services which have been mandated by a majority of States would continue to apply to small business health plans and other insurers. I know there is a lot of strong feeling on all sides of this issue, and I look forward to a lively and serious debate on it. I will have more to say about the Snowe amendment later.
For now, I will focus on what we have done in the managers' amendment to address the concerns raised by many Members of this Chamber. The main change we have made is related to how health insurance premiums are priced for small business. Most States do have rating laws. Those laws limit the amount of variation between premiums charged to different small businesses. Some States allow a great variation; some States allow very little variation.
During debate on this bill yesterday, I heard my Democratic colleagues make a number of speeches on this issue. They expressed their concern about how the bill, as reported from our committee, would affect the health insurance market in their States. They expressed concerns about how the rating rules in our bill might affect businesses with older workers or workers who have serious or chronic illnesses. I also heard these concerns in private conversations with a number of my colleagues over the past few weeks. I don't believe everybody should have to pay exactly the same amount for health insurance. Rules like that hurt young families and lower income workers. They get hurt because they get priced out of the affordable health insurance market.
But I have listened to my colleagues. I have also consulted with some of my colleagues on our committee and with Senator Nelson of Nebraska, who coauthored this bill with me. I value his perspective as a former State insurance commissioner. I also reviewed the bill Senators Durbin and Lincoln have offered. I have talked with experts in the insurance markets and insurance regulation, and they don't think the bill Senators Durbin and Lincoln have offered would create new and affordable options. In fact, some of those experts think that bill would make things worse, not better.
I will speak some other time in more detail on that. I prefer to go in the direction that we know can work. We know small business health plans will work because they worked in the past before the thicket of conflicting State laws made it too cumbersome to offer such plans.
Our committee heard testimony on this last year, but Senator Nelson and I looked at the Durbin-Lincoln bill anyway to see if there were some ideas we could harvest, some ideas we could incorporate.
After talking with Senator Nelson and my colleagues on the committee, we have developed an amendment that should address the concerns of most of my colleagues on the issue of rating.
The managers' amendment would do two things: First, it would permit States to limit the allowable variation in premiums to a much narrower ratio between the highest and the lowest rates as compared to the bill my committee originally reported.
Second, it would allow States to continue to require community rating of the health insurance policies. What that means is that the bill would allow States to prohibit small business health plans or insurance companies from using the health status of a group of workers as a factor in determining the group's premium.
If States want to allow health status as a factor, they can allow it; if they don't, they can disallow it. This means two things: First of all, most States would be unaffected by the new rating threshold of the managers' amendment. As a matter of fact, we estimate the rating provisions would have no impact on approximately 40 States. The vast majority of those States have reasonably competitive markets, although those markets would be even more competitive if we allow for the creation of small business health plans, allowing small business to band together across State lines to increase their leverage and to cut administrative costs. That is a huge factor.
Second, the managers' amendment preserves much of our original intent to create greater affordability for low-wage workers and for younger workers and their families, but it also allows States to retain reasonable limits on what high-risk groups can be charged. The managers' amendment sets a different threshold for allowable variation in premiums.
The new threshold is similar to the model act published by the National Association of Insurance Commissioners and updated in 2000, its most recent model, and it is what Senators Durbin and Lincoln used as the basis of their bill.
So under the managers' amendment, the States use community rating and could continue to use community rating. That means these States could still prohibit the use of health status as a rating factor as long as their system is adjusted to the point that it maintains affordability for low-wage workers and young people and families.
Under the managers' amendment, States would also be permitted to limit small business health plans and other insurers from setting rates that vary by more than a 5-to-1 ratio. In other words, the highest rate for a group in a particular insurance pool could not be more than five times the lowest rate. That would ensure that the insurance pool has a better and more stable balance of risks in the pool while ensuring meaningful limits on premiums for higher risk groups. This is an adjusted community rating standard used in the bill authored by Senators Durbin and Lincoln.
Again, just like the Durbin-Lincoln bill, the managers' amendment follows the most recent model from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. The Durbin-Lincoln standard works out to the same 5-to-1 ratio between lowest and highest rating. So I hope my colleagues understand that here is an area where we have tried to strike a compromise, where we tried to work with them.
I should point out that most States don't use community rating. They use what is known as rating bands. These bands allow for a variety of factors to be used in setting premiums, including health status. We will allow States that use rating bands to continue to use rating bands. None of these States would be required to use community rating if they don't want to. They can continue to allow greater premium variation than the 5-to-1 ratio if they choose. It is a very important point.
The managers' amendment allows States to continue the use of two systems for rating health insurance policies. They can use either the community rating or what is known as rating bands. All the managers' amendment asks is that community-rated States follow the model set forth in the Durbin-Lincoln bill. At least if some reasonable variation in premiums is allowed, young families and lower wage workers may be able to find affordable policies. Of course, affordability would be enhanced if their State markets became competitive enough to attract small business health plans. So we are saying in 10 States it may not attract small business health plans.
I know the rating is extremely complex. This is a very difficult issue to talk about. I kind of enjoy it as an accountant. But the bottom line is very simple. First, we need to maintain a minimum level of affordability in how premiums are set across the country. Young families and lower wage workers in certain States deserve access to affordable health insurance and, therefore, affordable health care, and they deserve the ability to join together with other employees as part of a pool of small business workers through the association in their industries.
Ensuring that all the States have competitive health insurance markets will enable small business health plans to create truly national pools so they can maximize the full size of their membership as they negotiate for better benefits and for better prices.
This is a major area of compromise, and I hope my colleagues recognize it. We have taken a major concept from the bill authored by Senators Durbin and Lincoln and we have incorporated it in the managers' amendment. We have done this because Senator Nelson and I and the other cosponsors of the bill are working in good faith to find common ground.
While rating is the most significant issue that we revised in the managers' amendment, it is not the only one. For example, the managers' amendment includes several provisions to make it clear that the scope of the bill's preemption of State law is very narrowly tailored to only three areas. Those three areas are rating, as I have already discussed, benefits, to enable small business health plans to offer national benefit packages, and administrative functions, to reduce some unnecessary costs of health insurance regulation.
It has been a key priority for my Democratic cosponsor, Senator Ben Nelson, that State oversight authority be retained to the maximum extent possible. We have a few former State insurance commissioners in the Senate, and I know they share Senator Nelson's opinion on that. There are also a few former attorneys general in the Senate, and I have listened to them. I have also listened to some of our current attorneys general who have voiced their concerns recently.
I mention that some of their concerns refer more to the House- associated health plans bill, and it is important for people to know this is different from that bill.
We have listened and done these appropriate changes. We have added new provisions that make it very clear that this bill does not preempt, affect, or even disrupt traditional State authority regarding consumer protection, plan solvency, and insurance oversight. That stays with the State.
Most importantly, it would be crystal clear that the bill does not limit in any way a consumer's right to petition their State insurance commissioner or the State courts. That is a very important point. I want to repeat that. It should be crystal clear that it does not limit in any way a consumer's right to petition the State insurance commissioner or their State courts.
The managers' amendment before the Senate represents a significant effort to find common ground. It addresses the issue of rating, which is one of the two major concerns that Senator Nelson and I have heard from colleagues. Senator Snowe's amendment with respect to State- mandated benefits is an attempt to address the other major concern.
So Members who have raised concerns about these two issues ought to see we are willing to work toward a compromise. There should be no reason we can't arrive at a solution over the next couple of days. Small business owners and working families I don't think are going to accept excuses.
The matter at hand is small business health plans. It is not stem cell research, it is not drug importation, and it is not Medicare. The matter at hand is about creating more affordable health insurance options for small business, and it is an issue that I think can be covered this week or a very small part of next week.
As a manager of this bill, I am willing to entertain any germane amendments. With the consent of my colleagues, I will even go further than that. I will consider relevant amendments. But stem cell research is not relevant to this bill. Drug importation is not relevant to this bill. Medicare is not relevant to this bill. What is relevant to this bill is amendments that address the 27 million Americans without health insurance who work for or depend on small businesses.
If my colleagues have amendments like that, Senator Nelson and I are more than willing to discuss them. Let's focus on the matter at hand. Let's take a meaningful step forward to give America's small business owners and working families more affordable health care.
In regard to some of the comments that have been made, as an accountant, I do remind my colleagues that this is not a case of subtraction. This insurance plan is addition. It will be bringing in newly insured people. When you go to the dry cleaners tonight to pick up your laundry, can you look that person in the eye and say: I don't think you deserve health insurance because you might not demand enough for yourself, so I saved you from yourself? Can you look them in the eye and say to the mom and pop running the business down the street from your home: You don't deserve health insurance either; you don't have it now, we're not going to make it more affordable for you; too bad, we had other things we wanted to discuss?
As you go home today, after you leave the Hill, think about the people around you, the regular people--the cab driver, the worker at the dry cleaner, the person in your neighborhood restaurant, all those people you may not notice who really make the world operate. Many of them don't have any insurance. Some may even own a little business just around the corner, be the owners of it, and still not be able to have insurance.
I am not talking about deluxe insurance, I am talking about any insurance. We are not talking about the employees at the big hotel chains or the big chain restaurants. We are not talking about the employees at Wal-Mart. We already said to them: You can form whatever benefits package you want. You don't have to answer to any State. You don't even have to have review or oversight by insurance commissioners. You don't have to meet any State requirements. We already said that to big business, and big business has done that. They haven't left out critical things. They said: Let's see, this is a competitive market. We have to be competitive. We want to have employees. And you know what. I think they included almost everything that has been talked about here. They did it because they wanted to compete.
Small business isn't any different. They need good employees. They want good employees. They know that if they are going to have good employees they have to do as much as they can afford.
Oh, yes, and when they are doing that, they can also pick up some insurance for themselves, and what they do for themselves, they do for their employees. We hear the estimates of how much this will or will not save. I would like to make a couple of comments on that. We have already seen that the big businesses, instead of paying 35 percent in administrative costs--35 percent--remember, each 1 percent of insurance costs drives 200,000 to 300,000 people out of the market. We are talking about 35 percent administrative costs. But those big businesses that we gave permission to do whatever they wanted to, theirs runs about 8 percent. Do you think they would be more competitive than the small businesses? What keeps the small businesses in business is their flexibility and how much less they make.
So I am not talking about deluxe insurance; I am talking about any insurance. Did you know that in several States there is only deluxe insurance? Did you know that in some States there may only be one insurance provider? Others have been driven out of the market. No, it hasn't been the competition that has driven them out; it could be well- meaning legislators wanting to make sure that everybody has everything they need.
There is a lot with our bodies that we ought to be doing on a regular basis. We ought to be taking care of our body like we take care of our car--well, maybe not like we take care of our car. But the way we usually take care of our body is similar to a rental car. We drive it until something goes wrong and then we take it into the shop. But there are regular services that we ought to provide for our own bodies, and we can do that.
The big companies get to do that tax deductible. It would be nice if the small businesses were able to do that tax deductible as well, and we can get into several of those issues later. We do have a plan here. We are willing to make modifications to it. We are willing to take relevant amendments. We do want to be sure that we get a vote on this bill, if we vote on an alternative measure. I think that is fair.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I would like a chance to answer the 45 minutes of accusations that were made about my bill and also bring up a few things about the Durbin-Lincoln bill that I have not had a chance to talk about yet, but could I inquire how long the Senator from Massachusetts will speak?
I almost hate to break the continuity of the debate when we are talking about some very specific things.
Probably about as long as it took Senator Durbin to cover the fallacies and to boost his bill. I ask that I be the next to speaker after the Senator.
That went a little longer than I anticipated. I have now listened for an hour and 25 minutes to the other side. I ask unanimous consent that our side have that kind of an opportunity.
I have an office that is kind of interesting. It is Phil Gramm's old office. He retired from the Senate after several years of mentoring a number of us and was a real force around here. Occasionally, when I am sitting in my office, some phrases will come by that he used. I grab them and I put them in a jar. I figure I will never have an opportunity to use them. But I think today I will pick out of the jar again. He said: When the Democrats talk about health care, they want national health care. The ship of health, they do not care who steers it, as long as it wrecks, and we can have national health care. That is a little bit about what we are talking about today, that plus a combination of saying we are not going to let anybody out there have anything unless they can have everything. That would be nice. I would like for the people of this country to have better insurance than we in the Senate have. That would be my dream.
I wish we could give them better insurance than we have.
Before I came to the Senate, I had better insurance than I have now. When the Democrats say that they want to open up the Federal employee health plans to everybody, they want everybody to have the same thing we have, they don't really mean that. They can't really mean that. I am willing to bet that if we were actually opening up that same pool and letting the Federal employee insurance be used by everybody in the country, the Federal employees would say: Whoa, not on my shift. The Federal unions would say: No, not on my shift. That is a closed pool. That isn't open to everybody. If it was open to everybody, it would be a whole different range of costs. And it is subsidized.
The Democratic alternative, S. 2382, is an open, voluntary pool purchasing agreement. That kind of an arrangement has failed nearly everywhere they have been tried. There is no evidence that they would succeed if they tried it now and would succeed where others have not. Many States have tried this. It is with very little success.
It may look like the Federal Employees Health Benefit Plan, but the Federal employees plan is a closed pool that provides premium support to all eligible individuals. The Democratic alternative is an open pool that would provide a tax subsidy to some of the eligible employers. In other words, it would be apples versus oranges.
A tax subsidy? Let's see, would everybody be able to get a tax subsidy for their health? No, you only get a tax subsidy if you buy the Durbin-Lincoln health plan, a one plan fits all for the United States.
Now, there was some discussion about whether it was $78 billion or $73 billion over 10 years. Let me tell you, they have never scored it, so they have no idea what it would cost. That is what some of the separate actuaries have looked at and said it would score. The Enzi- Nelson-Burns bill would reduce costs and increase coverage, and that is according to respected actuaries. No one can say for sure what that Democratic alternative would do--whether it is tens or hundreds of billions over 10 years.
The Durbin-Lincoln proposal eliminates the ability for national plans in that bill to offer uniform benefit packages. Why is that important? The plan I have put forth--the plan that has come out of committee-- allows small businesses to work across State lines to form bigger pools so that they can negotiate effectively against the insurance companies. That is where the savings are. We talk about mandates a lot in here, but the savings come from the ability to have a uniform package so that people in adjoining States can all be bargaining for the same package and have a big enough pool to go up against the insurance companies to be sure they get a better price.
The national plan--the Durbin-Lincoln plan--would still have to meet the requirements of each and every State, even down to the specific particulars of each mandate. Did you know that there are currently 1,700 mandates in the United States? Did you know that those mandates are seldom the same from State to State? They may have the same title, but they are not the same. So how do you put together a package where you say you have to do all of them and be able to go across State boundaries to form bigger pools? You cannot. You would have to do 1,700 mandates if you wanted it to be uniform across the United States.
I need to tell you, too, that some of these mandates we are talking about are screenings. We heard about mammography over there. That is very important. I hope women get mammographies. But did you know that in Wyoming, we really emphasize at this time of year--and I will mention it because Mother's Day is coming up, and this is a huge program in Wyoming to encourage people to buy that for their mother for Mother's Day. It works well. People know exactly what they are buying and exactly how much it costs. It isn't one of many mandates that are in the package that they pay for even though they don't use it.
Somebody said that mandates only add 3 to 4 percent to the bill. No. In the State with the minimum amount in mandates, it adds 5 percent, up to Massachusetts, which adds 22 percent in mandates. Now, I am not suggesting that any of those mandates should not be done. The bill I worked on does set up the ability to have a basic plan. Would people necessarily do the basic plan? They can do the basic plan up to whatever they think is responsible coverage for the people in their association. That doesn't mean nothing; it means they can pick.
You get the impression here that if you allow a basic package, everybody in the country is going to jump on the basic package and say: I can really sock it to my employees; I don't have to provide them with anything anymore. That is not America, and that is particularly not small business America. In small business America, they know they need their employees. Of course, as somebody pointed out, sometimes the only employees are mom and pop. They would like to be insured if they could possibly afford it. So we have to find some way for them to be able to afford it. But this notion that just because there is a mandate out there, everybody will use it, and this notion that just because there is a mandate out there, if we don't require it, it will be dropped--you know, we allow big business in this country to do whatever they want. And do you know what. They provide those basic things.
Now, one of the things which has been mentioned is colorectal cancer screening. Again, the facts suggest that health plans cover important tests like this regardless of State mandate, so it is likely that small business health plans would cover them as well.
In 2004, the Government Accountability Office found that 20 States had laws mandating coverage of colorectal cancer screening tests, which are strongly recommended by the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force for people 50 years or older. Now, the GAO then surveyed 19 small employer plans in 10 of the States without laws mandating this coverage--without laws mandating that. This is an opportunity for those small businessmen, if they are the way they are accused of being here, to just drop it for everybody. Now, despite the absence of State mandates to cover colorectal cancer screening, all 19 small employer plans in those 10 States provided the benefit. Can you believe that? If you have been listening to the discussion this week, you would think they would just drop it. They didn't drop it. They said: Our employees are valuable, and we need to do whatever we can afford to to help them.
Now, how do we help them to afford it better? Let's see. If we could join up with all of the other realtors in the United States-- incidentally, the realtors are coming to town next week to their regular annual meeting. As I understand it, 9,000 of them will be here next week, coming to a national convention. Oh, how I wish they would have come 1 week earlier. They could have explained their case. But we have a whole bunch of small businesses out there that really think it is important to be able to band together and get a better deal. It works.
Part of the discussion we have heard today has gone off on some other tangents. That is one of the reasons we are talking about relevant amendments. One of them that we went off on is prescription drug Part D and how, by Monday, people need to sign up for a plan. I really appreciate the coverage we have gotten to get that word out to people across America to make that decision this week. Make it this week. Don't have a penalty because you missed the deadline.
Now, for months I have listened to the Democrats say: This is terrible; this is confusing; this doesn't work; we need to do something different; we have to make it simpler for our seniors. Let's see. Let's just have one Federal plan for them to pick from. It sounds like Phil Gramm again, doesn't it? Ship of state wreck so we can have a national opportunity.
Let me tell you what happened. I was really worried about this prescription drug plan. Wyoming has such a small population--less than 500,000--and we keep hoping we will get off that mark. So far, we have never gotten a city big enough to kind of feed on itself and grow. I said that Wyoming just doesn't have any luck attracting businesses for competition, and we probably won't have any luck on prescription drugs, so I wanted to make sure there was an underlying thing that says if nobody is interested in Wyoming, the Federal Government will take care of it. Do you know what. Wyoming got 41 plans--41 of them. Competition works.
Now, that is what causes the confusion the Democrats keep talking about on prescription drugs. They say that there are too many plans out there for people to make a logical choice. That makes it confusing for seniors. If we infuriate them, we can really get them storming. They have done a pretty good job of that.
You know, I did town meetings, and I tried to help them out. Not only were they appreciative, but a whole bunch of people already signed up and were getting far more benefits than they ever dreamed of. I said: How were you able to make such a critical decision all by yourself? They said: There is this 800 number, and all I needed was to know my prescriptions and the dose and whether I want to buy them locally or do them by mail order, and I got a list of four plans that line up, line by line, that I can make a comparison on. So I know exactly what I am buying, what it is going to cost, and I know what it will be in the long run. How difficult is that?
Oh, but the telephone isn't your only opportunity. You can also go online. There is an online spot that will do the math for you, provide this same kind of list for you to make the comparison. I did it for my mom. Quite frankly, a lot of seniors are going to need help from their kids--kids who are young like me--and they will go through the process and find out how it works. There were things I had questions about, and I got ahold of Health and Human Services and got some changes to make it easier. At first, it looked as if you were signing up before you knew what you were buying, but they changed that so you could get the evaluation first.
Did you know that competition brought down the price by 25 percent even before the first person signed up? That is what those 41 companies who were competing did. Yes, the Democrats say: Wait a minute, there is this penalty and there are a whole bunch of people who don't need any drugs now, so they should not have to sign up now. That is not how insurance works. You buy insurance in case something happens to you. This is a Federal program, so we built in a benefit so that if you had something already happen to you, you can still get low-cost insurance.
In Wyoming, there is a package you can buy for $1.87 a month and avoid all penalties. It gives you assurance that you have coverage in a number of areas. And this is something that would only happen on the Federal level, too. If you come up with something that changes your whole drug prescription thing and it goes up dramatically, every November 15 to December 30 you can change plans. You can go to somebody who will provide all of the benefits you need--the cheapest possible plan. Again, you can have Medicare do the math for you.
So one-size-fits-all doesn't bring prices down. Competition brings prices down. I know that the dream of every person is not to have to sit down with every insurance agent and try to work out something or even understand what their package is. That is where the confusion in the Medicare prescription plan comes in--that possibility of having to sit down with 41 different insurance agents. How many evenings will that take you? There has to be simplification. The simplification we provide in the bill I have been talking about is the ability for your association to work across State lines, build a big pool that is competitive, and to be able to sit down and talk to all of those insurance agents so you can come up with the best possible plan for your association and to save administrative costs.
I am not talking about eliminating the mandate to save the 5 percent to 22 percent--although when they are doing those, they don't only use 25 percent of them, so maybe there is some consideration there. I am not worried about that part. That is not where the savings come in. The savings come in being able to negotiate in a competitive way and reduce administrative costs. Right now, a small businessman pays 35 percent in administrative costs. Big companies that do their own plans pay 8 percent. That is a pretty nice savings, especially if every 1 percent in costs brings 200,000 to 300,000 more people into the market. Let's find a way to bring them into the market. So 35 percent minus 8 percent is a 27-percent savings. Multiply that by 200,000 and see how many people it brings into the market.
We have small businessmen out there--22 million of them--who work in small businesses who are uninsured. That is counting the owners and the employees in the small businesses. We have another 5 million who are self-employed who are uninsured. That is 27 million people in whose lives we can make a difference because they can work through their associations to get better prices--not by eliminating mandates. They want those for their employees. They need those for their employees, to keep their employees; otherwise, they move on to bigger companies. Employees are the heart of the business, and small businessmen realize that more than big businessmen.
But there is another reason the Durbin bill won't work. He has taken away the ability of plans to form these uniform benefits on a national basis, like the national Federal employees plans can do.
So there is not going to be this national pooling because they are not going to be allowed to do what our Federal Employees Health Benefits Plan does because there would not be any insurers who would want to offer a national plan without the same freedom from State mandates that exists for national plans under--get this--the national plans under FEHBP, what we are proposing and what is referred to as the Enzi bill. I like to think about it as the small working peoples bill.
This bill would just create 50 State pools, no true national pools, and all of the 50 State pools will have all the other problems we cited. The Enzi-Nelson-Burns bill trusts small business owners to band together to negotiate for good benefits, while the Democratic alternative gives small business no say in the matter.
They say: The Federal Government is right again; we are going to do what the Federal Government does; oh, but we can't do what the Federal Government does or anything like what the Federal Government does, but that is what you have to settle for.
The Democratic alternative will create a new insurance pool that will operate under a different set of rules which creates the same opportunity for cherry-picking which is adverse selection that Democrats claim the House bill creates. You have to look because the Enzi-Nelson-Burns bill solves that. It solves that cherry-picking. It levels the playing field. It doesn't just grab the best customers from the insurance companies and move them over into the health plans. It allows the insurance companies to compete and also to reinsure, but they have to work with a bigger group.
The Democratic alternative sets up a dual Federal-State regulatory structure that would create confusion for consumers and participating insurers. I will probably cover that a little bit more later. I made a lot of notes on points I ought to cover.
There is one very important one. We were talking about childcare a while ago, and everybody considers childcare to be extremely important. We talked about newborn care. I think everybody considers newborn care to be extremely important. When they talk about eliminating mandates, they like to expand that well beyond what the bill ever allows.
There are requirements in States for who are covered persons. This doesn't change that one bit. Newborns who are covered are not touched-- not now, not ever, no intention to do that. So if they are covered now, they will be covered then. It is the law.
I have several other people who would like to use a portion of this time that I just reserved a while ago. I yield time to Senator Burns who has been very patient. I yield Senator Burns 15 minutes.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Montana. I thank him for all of the work he went through during the past year as we talked with the insurance companies sitting down with us and the insurance commissioners sitting down with us, trying to work out a plan. I appreciate the efforts of those two groups and all of the associations, and I will talk about those a little bit later.
At this time I yield 15 minutes to the Senator from Texas, Mr. Cornyn.
Mr. President, I do have several things I need to cover. I think I have another speaker or two on their way down. People are talking about being able to offer amendments. They can offer amendments. We want to have discussion, debate; we want to cover objections, answers, proposals on this bill, and we are willing to do anything that is relevant.
There has been a lot of talk about needing to talk about drug reimportation. That is important--at least a 3-week topic. Prescription drugs, that one best wait until after Monday until we see what the exact problem is before we do it. And stem cells, that is probably another 3-week debate.
It took us a year to be able to get this one to the floor so we could talk about small business health plans.
I need to make some comments in regard to a couple of the letters that were read earlier because I am aghast at what was in the letter. The American Cancer Society, as part of that, said: No matter what is done to the Enzi bill, don't vote for it.
That means that should we have an amendment that does everything that is done across the United States for cancer at the present time, they are still urging people to vote against it? It is a little early to say that. It is a little early to say there are not going to be any changes because we will have votes. It may require cloture in order to stay with germane ones instead of the ones that I mentioned and also to make sure--I want to have a vote on the Durbin-Lincoln bill. But I want to have a vote on my bill as well. I think we both ought to have them.
If we release the Durbin-Lincoln one for a vote now, then they can put all kinds of blockages on there so I can't ever get to a vote. And the only vote that we will have had will have been theirs.
We are trying to have some fairness, and so far we have not been able to get to that point.
Another one was the diabetes letter. Again, it said: No matter what you do to the Enzi bill, vote against it. That means, if we instituted every single thing that is being done for diabetes in any State in the Nation, they are still suggesting that they will vote against the bill? Wow. I mean, I have never run into anything such as that.
We looked at the diabetes thing and we said: How do we do this? Because out of the States that do it, there are no two that do it alike, so how do we get these agreements across State lines so they can pool into bigger pools and be able to negotiate against the insurance company so they can bring down rates through negotiation and they can bring down rates by eliminating administrative costs? We are not talking about bringing down rates by eliminating mandates. We are allowing
them to have some flexibility in the mandates so they can come up with a common package, and I am sure that it would include that, just as I did the thing on colorectal cancer. All 19 places that they have been allowed to do that, they included that, even though it wasn't a mandate. They were excluded from that.
I also wanted to put into the Record an editorial from the Arkansas Democrat Gazette. It was in the ``Opinion'' section. It says:
Ever face a really tough decision like where to attend
college, or whether to take that new job, or should you go
with the lasagna or the meatloaf for lunch? So you get out
the yellow legal pad and make a list of the pros and cons,
right? Well, maybe not for the meatloaf vs. lasagna bit. Some
things are a simple gut decision.
But it helps to compare and contrast. And it sure helped to
compare and contrast the two bills now floating around the
U.S. Senate to make it easier for small businesses to offer
health-insurance to their employees. One bill is co-sponsored
by Arkansas' senior Senator, Blanche Lincoln.
You could find the comparison on page 2A of Wednesday's
paper. There was Senate Bill 1955 (sponsored by Mike Enzi of
Wyoming) on one side, and Senate Bill 2510 (Blanche's bill)
on the other.
Both sounded fairly similar.
Both promised to make it simpler for businesses to band
together and buy cheaper health insurance.
Both promised to save businesses money and cover more
folks.
Then we got down to the bottom, to the very latest, biggest
question, and, boyohboy, talk about a pro and a con.
The question: What would it cost the Federal Government?
The answers: Nothing for the Enzi Bill.
For the Blanche bill, oh, somewhere in the ritzy
neighborhood of between $50 billion and $73 billion over 10
years.
When an estimate for new government spending has a margin
of error of some twenty-three billion dollars, you know that
new program is just gonna bleed money.
What's worse, or at least as bad, is that Senator Lincoln's
bill creates a national health program that'll be under the
administration of the federal Office of Personnel Management.
Translation: We the American Taxpayers will be in charge of
the care and feeding of yet another bloated bureaucracy.
Why? Why do we need another federal program under federal
so-called management adhering not just to federal rules and
regs but all the state rules and regs, too? (It gives us a
headache just thinking about filling out those insurance
forms.)
We suppose it's because some politicians, who may have the
best intentions in the world, can't imagine a health plan
that doesn't have the government deciding what should and
should not be offered at every single bureaucratic level.
Thank goodness that isn't required of private employer plans.
Can you imagine the red tape? Perish the pencil-pushing
thought.
Senator Enzi's proposal, unfortunately entitled the Health
Insurance Marketplace Modernization and Affordability Act,
takes a freer-market approach. His bill would let small
businesses band together and get better deals on health
insurance through trade associations.
Now for the devilish detail: Senator Enzi's bill would be
regulated by the feds but largely exempt from individual
state mandates. The better to offer these plans nationwide
and keep costs down.
Remember, the idea is to help small business, not burden
them with more state regulations.
Besides, it's nothing new. Major companies like General
Motors long have been granted exemptions from state laws
regulating insurance--it's called an ERISA exemption, because
they have employees all over the country. They couldn't very
well insure their employees from sea to shining sea while
abiding by every queer detail of every law in every state.
Especially when employees move or get transferred and want to
keep their insurance.
But won't the absence of state regulations lower standards?
Not if the small businesses offering the insurance want to
keep their employees. It's in businesses' interest to have
good health insurance for their workers, or their workers
will go somewhere else. It's how the free market works.
Think of these small-biz health plans like charter schools.
They'd be free of, to quote Senator Enzi, ``the current
hodgepodge of varying state regulation.'' That way, small
businesses across the country can band together and negotiate
group health insurance on their terms. Which would be more
affordable for the businesses, the employees and, unlike the
Blanche bill, the taxpayers.
If we gotta have a federally regulated Small Business
Health Plan, we sure don't need one as costly as Blanche
Lincoln's. And, yes, we gotta have a Small Business, etc.
Because what we've got now isn't working.
Look at the numbers: Of the more than 45 million uninsured
Americans, 60 percent are employed by small businesses or are
in some way dependent on those businesses. But it's getting
harder for a small business to offer health plans because
insurance premiums cost so much these days. Since 2000, the
cost of health-care premiums for employers has gone up almost
60 percent, including some 11 percent in 2004 alone.
Pass the Enzi Bill and, according to a study by a Milwaukee
consulting firm, small businesses would save 12 percent on
health insurance premiums. Even more important, some 900,000
uninsured folks would finally get coverage.
Hey, sounds like a plan. Blanche Lincoln's bill, meanwhile,
sounds like an expensive, bureaucratic pain in the
pocketbook.
I would like to have you see the small business organizations that are supporting the Enzi-Nelson bill. There are a couple of hundred of them here--12 million employers, 80 million workers.
I would like for you to see the small business organizations that are supporting the Durbin-Lincoln bill. Oh, there are two. OK.
I want to share a letter from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners as well. They are writing in response to our May 2 request for a review of S. 2510 Small Employers Health Benefits Program sponsored by Senators Durbin and Lincoln.
I ask unanimous consent the letter be printed in the Record.
The experts on S. 2510, the Durbin bill, from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, write:
S. 2510 creates an unlevel playing field . . . could create
an unworkable market in some states. . . . Few carriers would
want to participate in this program. . . .
Again, people can read the entire letter, and I am sure they will find that very enlightening. There is a lot more detail there.
Last, I ask unanimous consent to have a letter from the National Association of Health Underwriters printed in the Record.
Again, it is a much more extensive letter. I hope people will take the time to read the Record, but it is from the National Association of Health Underwriters. These are the experts on health insurance. They look at this stuff all the time.
It says:
``2510 creates the worst kind of unlevel playing field;''
``the cost of coverage would be predictably high;'' ``an
increased number of people being priced out of coverage;''
and, ``Bottom line: More rather than fewer people would be
uninsured.''
That is the National Association of Health Underwriters.
I wish to have some time to go over the good comments, too. But I have been joined on the floor by the majority whip. I will relinquish a few minutes for him to say a few words.
Mr. President, I thank Senator McConnell. I appreciate all of his effort and help. I appreciate the Senator bringing up Senator Talent. I need to mention Senator Snowe as well. They were the original sponsors of associated health plans on this side. They asked for a hearing. We held a hearing. After the hearing, people on my committee were saying, Golly, this is a problem for small business. What can we do to solve it?
It was also obvious from the discussion that there were some difficulties with the true AHP approach which we modified in the meantime. That is how we got to the position we are now in.
Mr. President, I don't have any idea. I spent a lot of hours and my staff people spent a lot more hours. Senator Nelson's staff and Senator Burns' staff worked on this for so long that I actually thought maybe their staff people worked for me, too.
I was pleased spending days on end and sitting down, understanding all of the parts of this and getting it to work.
Another important part of this, Senator Durbin asked me to talk to him about his plan. I made an appointment that same day and met with Senator Durbin and Senator Lincoln. We tried to work some of the principles which they had into this format. Eventually, we were kind of invited to leave by staff. We need to resolve more of that.
I thank the Senator.
Mr. President, as an accountant I have to remind people that this bill is not a case of subtraction. This insurance plan is an addition. It will bring additional insurance to people. There are 27 million people out there who are uninsured. This will bring a number of them into the market. It will also allow people who are already insured to increase the amount of insurance which they have because they will be able to save some dollars. I am sure they will put that back into insurance and into more benefits for people. So it is an addition, not a subtraction, and it will bring in newly insured people.
One of the things I ask people is, when you go to the dry cleaners tonight to pick up your laundry, can you look that person in the eye and say, I don't think you deserve health insurance because you might not demand enough for yourself? So I am going to save you from yourself. Can you say to the mom and pop who are running the business down the street from your home, You don't deserve health insurance?
As you go home today, as you leave the Hill, think about the people around you, the regular people, the cab driver, the worker at the dry cleaner, the person at the neighborhood restaurant, all of those people who often you may not notice, the real people who make the world operate. Many of them do not have any insurance. Some may even own the little business around the corner and still are not able to have insurance. We always assume that if people own a business, they make a lot of money. There are times that the employees make a lot more than the owner of the business. They always have to pay themselves last.
As Senator Burns said, when he was in business he provided health care to his employees, but he couldn't afford it for himself and his wife. But you do that to keep employees. I am not talking about deluxe insurance, I am talking about any insurance.
When people get the kinds of screenings that they would like to have, or even get the screenings they would like to have, and then find out there is a problem, if they don't have any insurance, they can't get anything done unless they pay for it.
We are not talking about the employees at the big chain hotels or the big chain restaurants. We are not even talking about the employees at Wal-Mart. We already said to them you can form whatever kind of benefit package you want. You do not have to answer to any State. You don't have to have review or oversight by the insurance commissioners.
Those are all things we provide for in our bill. You don't have to meet any State requirement. So instead of 35-percent administrative costs, you only pay 8-percent administrative costs. I am not talking about deluxe insurance, I am talking about any insurance.
Right now in several States, there is only deluxe insurance. Did you know that in some States there may be only one insurance provider because others have been driven out of the market?
I hope people will take a close look at this bill. I hope the other side will offer some amendments which are relevant to this bill and let us work through the bill. I hope, if the only way we can maintain germaneness is through cloture, that they will join in cloture because there are thousands of businesses out there that need insurance. They need hope. They want to ensure their employees. Think about that--27 million uninsured.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, one of the difficulties around here is the process we have to use. Another one is that nobody listens to anybody's debate. We have covered this in some detail earlier today, that relevant amendments would be accepted. The Durbin-Lincoln bill ought to be voted on. But it should not be voted on and then S. 1955 precluded from getting a vote. That is one of the possibilities in the organization and the rules that we have around here, that we could wind up voting on that one and skipping the vote on S. 1955 and saying: Look, all these people voted against that; that means they don't like health care for small business. But they wouldn't have gotten to vote for the one that they might have liked.
I went through a number of the reasons why S. 2510 has some problems. I object to people saying we ought to give everybody the same health care the Senators have. We ought to give them better health care than the Senators have. The only problem is we can't do either of those things. The bill that is on the floor by Durbin-Lincoln doesn't do either of those things. It is a different plan that uses kind of the same structure so we build the same kind of bureaucracy, except a lot bigger bureaucracy to handle all the people in America, and it limits all of the pools to each State because they will have to meet all of the mandates of each of those States instead of what we have in the Federal plan which is a national level of mandates.
We have our own level of mandates. We don't go by what the States do. But that is not what is in that bill. In that bill they would still have to go State by State, and if you go State by State, you can't form the kinds of pools that we need to be able to have the clout to negotiate a better price and to bring around the administration.
People say you want to get rid of mandates so that will save money. No. Every experiment, every minilab that has happened out there where small business people have been given the opportunity to band together and to do something, they have covered those mandates. They didn't give those mandates up.
How do you save money with this thing? Small businesses pay 35 percent for their administration. Big business, which we already excluded from all mandates, we excluded them from Federal control, we excluded them from State oversight and consumer protection, which is in my bill--it still has the State oversight and consumer protection in there--we gave the big businesses the wave on all of those things. They still kept the mandates. But where they saved the money is in administration. It costs them 8 percent to administer their plans. So 35 percent minus 8 percent means they save 27 percent over what a small businessman will do. And every 1 percent we can save on insurance brings 200,000 to 300,00 people back into the market.
That is why we want to have associations to be able to offer plans under State consumer protection, under the insurance commissioner's oversight.
But with some kind of a blended plan, they can cross State lines and have a uniform package, and they can have a big enough group so they can negotiate. That is what 1955 is about. We need to have a vote on that as well.
As far as mandates, Senator Snowe is putting in a bill that will cover those basic things people are talking about.
The letter that the Senator read from--the American Diabetes Association--I talked about that a little bit earlier today. One of the difficulties we had in trying to do something with diabetes is that 42 States--it may even be 47 States--are doing something with diabetes, but no two do it alike.
Again, how do you blend across State boundaries unless you can get some kind of basic package? I know they will cover diabetes. Under the Snowe amendment, they will for sure.
The distressing part of their letter was, no matter what changes are made to the Enzi bill, defeat it. That is not a very reasonable approach by any disease group. That means that if I have an amendment that said find out everything that is done for diabetes and do everything for diabetes that is done anywhere, they would still be suggesting voting against my bill. I don't think that is a reasonable approach by any group.
The American Cancer Society wrote pretty much the same letter and said pretty much the same thing.
We are not trying to subtract, we are trying to add. We want people who are uninsured to come into the market, and we want people who already have insurance to be able to get more and better insurance for the same dollar. That is what employers are able to afford. We are trying to come up with a system such as that.
The only thing about filling the tree--which I agree with the Senator is gobbledygook--the only thing with that is to stick to small business health insurance.
There are another dozen things on insurance and health care that we ought to be debating. Each of them would take about 3 weeks to debate. At this point in the season, we are not going to get 3 weeks to debate anything. I am lucky to put together a few days to be able to talk about this. I hope to make more progress on that.
I have been working hard with everybody to try to come up with some kind of mechanism that will work. That is where we are on the bill. If we could do the things that are relevant to this, or also germane after cloture, then we could stay on the bill a little longer and keep working on it. If we don't get cloture, we are probably done with this discussion for the whole year. That will probably be the end of health care for the year. People have to keep that in mind when they are voting on cloture.
Even individual mandates can be brought up one at a time and put into the thing, or at least be voted on. The desire is not to keep votes from happening but to stick to small business health plans.
These folks have been asking us for 15 years for a change and some way to handle it. They have been encouraged several times because eight times the House has passed the association health plan. That was very exciting for them. They said I think we can get it. It never made it out of committee on the Senate side because there are some problems with the basic plan that the House passed.
When I got this chairmanship, I said we are going to do something to change this. We are going to find out what the objections are and see if there isn't a way to get something done that will get relief for the small businessman. The insurance companies were convinced that we were going to do something, so they sat down with me. The insurance commissioners had concerns, and they have always been one of the stakeholders. They sat down with me, and they had their representatives sit down with us days on end to work on some kind of a compromise. This is one.
Nobody is raving about it except the small businesses because they see it as an answer--not the final answer, not the total answer, but an answer--that moves closer to what they can afford to do. Again, it isn't by cutting mandates.
Yes.
Not quite.
Even during the course of today and any other debate we have on this bill, we have said if there is a relevant amendment, we would consider taking that up and voting on it. One exception we have on that is the difficulty with Durbin-Lincoln. If we vote on that, that might be the only vote we ever get because the other side can block any further votes from happening because you would have to have unanimous consent to have a vote. So we would be blocked from ever having a vote on our bill.
No, I wasn't suggesting that S. 2510 would pass. I was saying that a lot of Democrats would vote for it and it would fail. Then there will be no further votes on it. You folks could all say we voted for small business and the Republicans didn't vote for small business. It would be because the Republicans wanted S. 1955 with a few amendments which can be offered by both sides. That would happen postcloture. The only thing that happens postcloture is amendments have to be germane. That means they actually would have to apply to the bill. The Durbin-Lincoln bill is germane. Many of the things people talked about would be germane. What wouldn't be germane are some of the long-term debates and things people would like to do, namely the stem cell debate which we are going to have a debate on. They promised a vote on it. We don't know how much debate there would be with that; prescription drugs, Part D, and those would not be germane to the bill. Each of those would take about 3 weeks to debate.
The Senator certainly is not the only one. I would love to have a lot of time. We have had a lot of bills that came out of committee already that could be brought up. We have some more that are going to come out next Tuesday. A lot of those I think would pass here by unanimous consent. I would love to have some agreement. The Senator knows how hard it is to get 1 week around here. We spent 3 days getting cloture to proceed. That is to proceed; that wasn't to actually do any votes on the bill. So we were offered the moment, but between the two sides we didn't get the moment.
It was 98 to 2.
If there was no problem with it, why did we have to wait 3 days to get the vote?
I am talking about time limits and that sort of thing. Those requests were made between leaders to come up with some tight time agreements. It is beyond my pay grade.
There were a lot negotiations to try to stick to small business and have some kind of a mechanism where the votes from both sides could be done. But there was not any agreement on that, so we are stuck in this kind of a situation where small business may be penalized once again.
If we get cloture, we could have a lot of debate on the small business stuff, not all of other ones. If we could get in a situation where we started doing these things a little quicker, with more time agreements, some of the more difficult ones could probably get some floor time. I am for that.
I am with the Senator.
Yes, it would be nice if we could wrap up something for small business. I think there is a plan there. I think there is a way to get there. I don't think it is going to happen without the cooperation of both sides in either coming to some time agreements or passing cloture.
We will have to wait and see what happens. I would wait until the end of next week to have a vote on either of them as long as we can do amendments. And I am excited about doing amendments. There are always perfecting things. No bill is perfect when we finish it. Even after conference it is never perfect. But it is usually much better than when we started. We need to have that process.
I thank everyone for their participation today.