I suggest the absence of a quorum. Will the Senator yield for a moment? I send to the desk a modification of Senator Sessions' amendment that reflects the amendment offered by Senator Kyl. Since it…
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Will the Senator yield for a moment?
I send to the desk a modification of Senator Sessions' amendment that reflects the amendment offered by Senator Kyl. Since it has not been ordered yet, I believe it is the Senator's right to modify the amendment.
I ask unanimous consent he be permitted to modify his amendment.
Mr. President, at 2 p.m. there will be a vote on the Sessions amendment, as modified?
The yeas and nays have not been ordered?
Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Will the Senator permit us to have a managers' package first?
Mr. President, on behalf of myself and Senator Inouye, I will present another managers' package. This contains amendment No. 4778, for Senator Smith, regarding airships; No. 4773, for Senator Dayton, regarding postdeployment support; No. 4766, for Senator Inouye, regarding a military history exhibit; No. 4760, as modified, for Senator Lott, regarding airdrop systems.
Mr. President, I withdraw the package.
Amendment No. 4802
Mr. President, Senator Kennedy's amendment remains the pending business?
I suggest the absence of a quorum. I withhold that request.
Mr. President, I think I can say with assurance, I am probably the only Member of the Senate who has had a traumatic brain injury in connection with a jet crash in 1978. I have deep respect for the researchers who are involved in this area. But really, this is an amendment to give the University of Chicago's research team $2 million.
The NIH has a substantial number of programs. I am told that through the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, a whole portion of NIH has an extensive traumatic brain injury program that supports basic, translational, and clinical research through grants and contracts through over 100 research teams and investigators.
In addition, we have $45 million in this bill that can be used. It is called the Peer Review Medical Research Program. This amount can come out of that $45 million if the Department of Defense needs it. It is up to them. To stay within our allocation, we had to notify Members who brought us requests for medical research that we had established this $45 million program, and from that the Defense Department can pick these suggestions that come from Members of the Senate, the Congress, too. The House will be involved in it obviously.
This is not a neglected area. We spent over $1 billion in research grants for studies in this area, particularly funding long-term research in traumatic head injury, head and spine injury, and epilepsy. This amendment deals with epilepsy and its connection with brain injuries.
In the past 3 years, an average of $430 million a year has been awarded for grants, contracts, and research by the National Institutes of Health clinics for epilepsy, traumatic brain injury, and injuries to the head and spine. In the last 3 years alone we spent $1.29 billion in those specific efforts in this area.
In this current fiscal year Congress encouraged and directed the National Institutes of Health to expand basic and advanced research in brain injury rehabilitation. As I said, they told us they have an extensive program there. This is where this money should be taken, in the final analysis. We have been using over three-quarters of a billion dollars for research not associated with military programs in the past.
We have at least 20 amendments of the same kind that have also been suggested to us. The Senator from Pennsylvania has one. A whole series of people have come and said they want to have earmarks on the money we have in that fund. We have not done that because we believe the Department should take the money and spend it on research that is related to the demands of the military today.
Further brain injury research through the Department of Defense will reduce the funds available for military readiness and will ignore the valuable contributions made by NIH and other nondefense research entities.
I say to the Senator from Illinois, as we discussed in the committee, there is no question it is a good program. There is no question the University of Chicago should compete with other universities for the money that is available. For this to be earmarked here now means they no longer have to compete. As I said, NIH said there are currently over 100 separate contracts out there right now in addition to the $45 million we have in this bill. NIH has an enormous amount of money and the expertise of NIH and their clinical trials. The program they have for allocating money, I think, should not be obviated by an earmark here on the floor.
If it happens, if the Senate wants to adopt this amendment, then I can tell them in all fairness we are going to have to bring forth the amendments of the other Senators. Several of them, as a matter of fact, are from Senators who are up for election. We told them no. So I say to the Senate, if you want to adopt this amendment of the Senator from Illinois to give the University of Illinois priority on this money, then that is the judgment of the Senate. I oppose it, as I did in committee. I do think we have to stop using Defense money for contracts with universities and basic research at the suggestion of a single Senator. It is not something that should be done.
We have adequate money in this bill to cover this if the Department wants to do it. We have an overwhelming amount of money in the NIH area, if NIH wants to pursue having the University of Chicago do this epilepsy research, but this is not a military requirement.
All the Senator said about injuries that are coming from current military involvement is correct. But they are being met. Not one member of the military society came to us and said we need more money for brain research--not one. This is not something to be handled with an amendment on the floor, to give one university priority over all others in connection with the research money that is available under this bill.
Will the Senator yield? I will be pleased to have you point that out to me.
We have had $3 billion requested of our subcommittee for medical research. It is the largest growth area in this subcommittee's jurisdiction. More and more money for medical research was requested. We put $45 million into this program. I want to see that earmark.
Does this require unanimous consent?
Mr. President, those 1,700 or however many you have, soldiers, aren't going to the University of Chicago. This is simply a provision to take $2 million of the defense money for the University of Chicago for epilepsy research. As I said, we had a total of $3 billion in requests from this subcommittee for medical research from other Senators. We turned them all down. The Senator from Illinois wouldn't take ``no.''
I understand his position. His position is he now wants to say other items we allowed him to earmark in other portions of the bill would be changed in order to have this go to the University of Chicago.
Every Senator who asks for that money is going to come wanting to do the same thing. In other words, it will not make any difference. The money will be going to medical research instead of going to the needs of the military.
I didn't say it was for readiness. I said we could not have any more money going out of the Defense bill to take care of medical research when medical research is basically a function of NIH and the subcommittee that deals with Labor, Health, and Human Services. It is not our business.
I confess, I am the one who made the first mistake years ago. The Senator just reminded me. I am the one who suggested that we include some money for breast cancer research. It was languishing at the time. It was back in the 1980s. Since that time it has grown to $750 million that was involved, I think it was, in the last bill we had, dealing with medical research that had nothing to do with the Department of Defense.
With the shortage of money we have now, we are now over the budget by about $78 billion in emergency money. Don't tell me I am objecting to brain research. As I said, I have been the subject of brain research. But there is plenty of money there for it.
I notice the occupant of the chair suggests maybe I need a little bit more.
But as a practical matter, we cannot do this just for one Senator, and I have been a whip and I understand what it means to have access to the floor and make a demand. But this is not right. I say to the Senate, if we are going to vote this $2 million, I am going to go back and tell each one of the other Senators they should come and offer their amendments, too. They are very well-meaning amendments. I have to tell you, we have back injury. We have problems with regard to a whole series of items. Among the amendments proposed were tissue engineering; another traumatic brain injury study for a long-term concept of a study of that; vaccine health care centers; eye refractive surgery; hypothermia; hemostatic agents; traumatic brain injury research at several other universities.
One of the reasons we turned this one down is we could not in good faith take the one from the University of Chicago in Illinois and take down the others. We had neuromuscular research. I could go on and on.
The things all added up to $3 billion. This is just the tip of the iceberg. It is $2 million, but it leads into, Why should we take this amendment of the Senator from Illinois and turn down all these other amendments? We turned them down, not because they were not worthy. We didn't turn them down because they were not necessary. We turned them down because this is not the place to fund them.
It is my position that the suggestion we are going to turn around and take it out of another provision in the bill that says why did we agree to that other provision, if it is not necessary? Why did we add it to the bill?
As a matter of fact, I don't recall those items where we did, but we did handle several amendments for the Senator from Illinois. We treated them the same as we did every other Senators with regard to research for medical purposes. This is the only one out of all of them where we said, no, that has been presented to the Senate.
I do not want to be accused of being against brain research or ignorant of the fact that there is an enormous number of brain injuries to our military people. As a matter of fact, I went out to Walter Reed to see one of our young people from Alaska who had a brain injury. But no one, again, has told me we need money in this bill for brain research beyond what is there already and beyond what is being made available by NIH.
I do say again, this amendment should not be adopted.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and that Senator Salazar's amendment No. 4776 be placed before the Senate.
Mr. President, the managers of the bill are prepared to accept this amendment and ask that it be accepted on a voice vote.
I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, we have managers' package No. 2 back again. I wish to restate that request now. It applies to amendment No. 4778, for Senator Smith, regarding airships; amendment No. 4773, for Senator Dayton, regarding postdeployment support; amendment No. 4760, as modified, for Senator Lott, regarding airdrop systems; amendment No. 4796, for Senator Conrad, regarding weapons bays; and amendment No. 4771, for Senator Frist, regarding contracts.
I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and that the Senate proceed to the consideration of this managers' package en bloc, and that they be adopted en bloc, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table.
Now, what is the pending amendment, Mr. President?
Mr. President, I am appalled at some of the information that the Senator from North Dakota
has brought to us. I will join him, perhaps, in some specific amendment that might have some germaneness to this bill such as an authorization to shoot such people. I can't imagine that anyone would provide to troops in the field contaminated water. I can't believe that we are being charged for a sizable number of clinics and our taxpayers are paying for it and they are imaginary.
On the other hand, this is a provision that deals with Government contracting governmentwide. If we include it, we would have to have several subcommittees and the other body confer with us to try to write the amendment in a way that might be pertinent to the matter before us, and that is financing the Department of Defense.
I do think we should be indebted to the Senator for his research and what he is doing to try to bring honesty into Government contracting. But I am compelled to say that it is an amendment that should be taken to the Government Affairs Committee, and it should not be on this bill. It is legislation on an appropriations bill. I do make a point of order that it violates rule XVI.
Mr. President, before the Senator leaves, I am sure Senator Inouye is telling him the same thing. We will instruct our staff to start the process of establishing a series of hearings to investigate this fraud that he has brought to our attention. The Senator is a member of our committee, and we will be pleased to work with him on it. If it gets to the point where we need a commission per se to be outside of the Congress to do this investigating, we can look into that, too. I think we should start the process of investigating into these repeated reports we have had about fraud and corruption in connection with Government contracting, particularly that related to our war effort.
I thank the Senator for his work.
I don't think we need an act. We have authority under our existing rules today to do that investigation. As has been pointed out, President Truman used a subcommittee of the Congress at the time he did his investigations in World War II.
The Budget Committee chairman raises literally the things we have been thinking about and mumbling about for months now. We have in this bill a provision that says next year all of this should be within the budget. That, of course, we realize is next to impossible because of the inability to predict in advance--really 18 months in advance--what the costs are going to be to fight a war.
I believe the Senator should look at the changes that have been made since the war I was in, World War II. We had draftees. All of the equipment that was used, the transportation equipment was operated by people in uniform. All of the bases were operated by people in uniform. We didn't have security people; we did the guard duty. We didn't have people running the kitchens; we did it ourselves. I distinctly remember peeling potatoes for hour after hour.
All I am saying to the Senator is, the concept of handling war materials and emergency issues has gotten out of control. The Senator from North Dakota--I don't know if the Senator from New Hampshire saw his comments about some of the fraud and abuse that is involved in Government contracting.
It is fairly clear, because of the nature of the emergency, controls have been thought of after the fact. We are trying to bring it into some kind of perspective for the future.
As budget chairman, the Senator from New Hampshire is absolutely correct, I don't know how we could fold into the budget for next year and make everything involved in the fiscal year 2008 the concepts we are dealing with in terms of emergency funding right now.
However, I am also convinced that because of the way this conflict has changed and the nature of the conflict, as opposed to wars of the past, even the Persian Gulf war that we fought, we have no way of telling how much it is going to cost.
I want the Senator to know that those of us who handle the appropriations bills, particularly those regarding defense, would like to work with the Senator. There must be some way to put some controls over the way this money is spent.
I am appalled when I hear of some of the things the money is spent for in a redundant fashion which ends up not achieving the goals, but still have to spend the money after the goals are not achieved. It is difficult for us right now to get our hands on the way this war has been costed out and the way the money has been spent.
I don't think it is a political question. I don't think it is a matter of politics. I think it is a matter of practical application, some good money-handling propositions. We have run into that in terms of some of the money we have provided to the Iraq Government, also. I hope the Senator from New Hampshire is familiar with those.
I wonder whether the Senator has any suggestions on how we might help him in this endeavor.
I thank the Senator also.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be dispensed with.
Mr. President, the Dodd amendment raises an interesting issue of availability of additional money if needed. It in effect is reprogramming authority granted in advance to move money to meet necessity, if it occurs. On that basis, I think I would be willing to support it, but I think the Senate as a whole ought to vote.
Mr. President, I suggest that we agree on a time to commence this rollcall vote. Can we say it occur at 10 minutes after 5? Is that agreeable with Senator Inouye?
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that this vote be scheduled for 10 minutes after 5.
Is there any further amendment to be discussed at this time?
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask to rescind the previous order regarding the vote that is scheduled, and I now ask consent that at 5:15 today, the Senate proceed to a vote in relation to the DOD amendment No. 4819, with no amendments in order to the amendment prior to the vote; further, that the Senate then vote in relation to the Durbin amendment No. 4781, with no amendments in order to the amendment prior to the vote, and there be 4 minutes for debate equally divided between the votes.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, I would like the Senate to know where we are. As of 4:35 this afternoon, we had 68 more amendments. I have asked the Parliamentarian to advise Senator Inouye and me tomorrow morning how many of them are subject to rule XVI. A great many of them are legislation.
I point out to the Senate that this bill must be conferenced and we must get this bill to the President in time for the money to be available at the end of the fiscal year. We cannot go over this year.
Amendments subject to rule XVI, when we go to conference, require us to confer with another committee on the House side in order to see whether the House will accept these nongermane amendments.
It is our intention to raise rule XVI against any amendment that the Parliamentarian tells us is subject to the rule. If some can be rewritten in a way not to do that, we can reconsider them.
I apologize to the Senator from Illinois. There is another vote scheduled.
Amendment No. 4781, as Modified
Mr. President, this is an important amendment. It is one to provide the University of Chicago with $2 million to conduct imaging research on the connection between epilepsy and brain injury.
This is not to directly help the soldiers who have been injured. As a matter of fact, this is not a neglected area. We put up a billion dollars in the last 2 years, and there has been substantial research on brain injuries.
There is a necessity for money for the treatment and care of those who have this problem, but we do not need more money for research. As a matter of fact, in the past 3 years, we averaged $430 million a year in grants, contracts, and research conducted by NIH. For 2006, we asked NIH to expand research on brain injury rehabilitation.
This money is not going to treat soldiers; it is going to the University of Chicago for an imaging research
project. We have 20 other amendments here that deal with the question: Should we use more money from defense for medical research? We have said no, we don't want any more money used for brain research.
There is $45 million in this bill that the Department of Defense can use for any research project in the health area it wants to. But to take more money now--this is a symbolic $2 million. If this amendment passes, we have to deal with the other 20. We have said no to everybody, not just to one amendment.
I urge my colleagues not to support this amendment. As a matter of fact, I move to table this amendment, and I ask for the yeas and nays.
I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.