Mr. President, I thank the leaders for the action they have taken for a short-term extension of the farm bill so that we can conclude action on it. It has been a negotiation that has gone on well…
Mr. President, I thank the leaders for the action they have taken for a short-term extension of the farm bill so that we can conclude action on it. It has been a negotiation that has gone on well over a year. That is not unusual for a farm bill which is extremely contentious.
I wanted to comment briefly on the Republican leader's statements this morning about our budget. As I was driving in this morning, I heard another Republican on the air saying that we have a trillion- dollar tax increase in this budget. I don't know what budget they are talking about because it certainly is not the budget we have presented here. There is no trillion-dollar tax increase here. There is no tax increase assumed here. Honestly, if I would go down to the Senate dining room and come to this floor and introduce the dining room menu as the budget for the United States, our Republican colleagues would say it was a trillion-dollar tax increase.
This is what they said last year, and we hear the same mantra again this year: It is a trillion-dollar tax increase. When they said it last year, we didn't have a record of a Democratic Congress to refute their claim. Now we do. We can look back and see precisely what happened with Democrats in control. How much did taxes increase after the Republicans asserted repeatedly we were going to increase taxes a trillion dollars? What happened? What happened on the record, not a projection, not a forecast, not rhetorical, what is the fact? It is very interesting. Democrats controlling the House, controlling the Senate, cut taxes $194 billion--not a tax increase, a tax cut that overwhelmingly has gone to the middle class. That is the Democratic record.
Let me say about this budget, we don't have the vast spending increases they are talking about. For this year, if you look at total spending, we have 1 percent more than the President's budget. Where is that money going? We put it into energy, to reduce our dependence on foreign oil. We put it into education, and we put it into infrastructure because we don't want any more bridges, like the one in Minnesota last year, collapsing into the river with people driving home from work. That is a fact.
In terms of revenue, the truth is that over the 5 years, we have 2.6 percent more revenue than in the President's budget. We believe that can be obtained not with a tax increase--don't need a tax increase to get it--you can go after the tax gap, the difference between what companies and people owe versus what they are actually paying. You can go after these offshore tax havens which the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations has told us are costing this country $100 billion a year. You can go after these abusive tax shelters where we have the spectacle of companies in the United States, banks buying foreign sewer systems and depreciating them on their books in the United States to reduce their tax bill here, and then they lease the sewer systems back to the European cities that built them. My goodness. We are better than that as a nation, better than letting people abuse the vast majority of us who are honest. That is not right. That is not fair.
I have shown on this floor many times a picture of a five-story office building in the Cayman Islands called Ugland House. That 5-story building is home to 12,800 companies. I would say that is the most efficient building in the world.
Mr. President, 12,800 companies claim they are doing business out of this little five-story building in the Cayman Islands. They are not doing business there. The only business they are doing is monkey business. What they are doing is evading their taxes.
Now we have seen, according to the Boston Globe, another building down in the Cayman Islands--this time a four- or five-story building too--and we know KBR, who is the biggest contractor for security forces in Iraq and additional workers in Iraq for the U.S. military effort there, is running an operation out of that building to evade the Social Security taxes and the Medicare taxes of thousands and thousands of workers they have employed for Iraq--another tax scam.
It is exactly the kind of thing we on this side think should be closed down. Over and over, when we have tried, this President said: No, you can't do that. That would be a tax increase. Really? Is that a tax increase? I do not think so. Making people pay their fair share, like the vast majority of Americans already do--I do not think that is a tax increase. I think that is making those folks pay like all the rest of us do. That is fair.
Mr. President, we have Senators on the floor ready to offer an amendment. I want to go to that at this moment.
I ask Senator Bingaman, how much time----
Mr. GREGG addressed the Chair.
Mr. President, I will withhold. Senator Gregg is seeking recognition.
Mr. President, I thank the ranking member for his continuing courtesy and graciousness. This is my 60th. As I left the house this morning, I told my wife and our son, who is there visiting, I have to question: What have I done wrong in my life to have my 60th birthday spent here managing the budget? But I will get over it.
I appreciate the many courtesies of the ranking member. This is a special day for me, and I am looking forward to a good debate.
With that, we want to go to the next amendment, unless the Senator--
Fair enough.
Mr. President, I say to the Senator, if you can give us a heads up at some point what your next amendment will be, that would be helpful as well.
Now we will turn to Senator Bingaman and Senator Alexander, who I think have a very constructive amendment. We welcome their description of it.
I ask unanimous consent that the time come off the resolution.
Mr. President, I think the amendment the ranking member has set up for Senator Specter doesn't actually have full repeal. Instead, what it does is change the individual alternative minimum tax from its current two-rate structure of 26 percent and 28 percent to the single 24-percent rate that was in effect prior to 1993. I believe that is what the Specter amendment does.
The first priority, of course, for dealing with the AMT is to protect families who have not been subject to it previously. So our resolution acknowledges this priority and provides a 1-year patch to prevent the alternative minimum tax from affecting another 20 million American households. That is at a cost of $62 billion.
I would prefer that cost be offset, but last year that was not the will of the body. It was not the will of the body in the very clear and compelling vote. So we don't have it offset in our resolution this year.
Our resolution acknowledges the political reality that the will of this body is to extend alternative minimum tax relief without paying for it. Restructuring the AMT, as Senator Specter proposes, is even more expensive. The Specter amendment would lose $185 billion in revenue, and it is not paid for in any way--by spending reductions or other revenue--and therefore it simply gets added to the deficit and debt. If it were adopted as is, the resolution would be in deficit in every year of the budget window.
Mr. President, I don't think that is fiscally responsible, so I am offering an amendment that accomplishes the same policy purpose but requires that it be offset, paid for, so that it is not
added to the deficit and is not added to the debt.
I inquire of the Senator, did he send up the Specter amendment?
Mr. President, I send the Conrad amendment to the desk.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Mr. President, I think it might be useful here that we enter into a unanimous consent agreement that when we go to a fuller debate, the debate on the Specter and Conrad amendments be limited to 1 hour. Is that acceptable?
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that there be a half hour each on the Specter and Conrad amendments, a total of 1 hour.
Then we will go to the Kyl amendment, and there would also be a side-by-side for that amendment. That would be, at this point, an amendment in my name or by my designee.
I also ask unanimous consent that there be a half hour on each for those amendments.
Our understanding is the same. Look, we are going to have to be flexible. We have other committees that are meeting, and other Members who are involved in these amendments are at other meetings. They won't be here until later. It is our intention to have that amount of time on these specific amendments, but it may not occur all at once.
Correct. Our amendments are side-by-sides. Our amendments would normally be second-degree amendments. They are not being offered as second-degree amendments here because we don't do that on the budget resolution. But those amendments that are the side-by-sides would be in the regular order. That means they would be voted on first.
We also have the Bunning amendment. Do we want to put that into the queue?
Maybe we should have a discussion and make sure we are on the same page with respect to that. Do we want to have the Bunning amendment next?
All right. That is an amendment that involves Social Security, correct?
There would be a side-by-side on our side. Would we want to limit debate on those to a half hour each?
All right. That will be the order. The colleagues who want to offer amendments and want to have floor time, it is a very good time to contact us to get time allocated because time is going to go very quickly. Please don't come tomorrow and say: Gee, where is our floor time? This is the time, this is the moment. If you want floor time, we urge you to come now.
Amendment No. 4191
Will the Senator yield on that point?
If I can address one of the concerns of the Senator, when we vote--this is a very awkward question, I say to my colleague. Let me be very direct about what it is. We are missing two of our votes. We have a third Member who is ill. So what we have said is we would defer votes on these major matters until at least some of our Members are back. The body is very closely divided. We are completely ready to have votes on other matters throughout this day. The problem is, with the major votes on these consequential issues where we are missing two of our Presidential candidates until tomorrow--they will be here Thursday and Friday--and we are missing Senator Byrd who, as you know, is ill, that is the reason we have asked to defer votes on these major amendments until tomorrow. It is a difficult situation. It has been throughout.
I do thank the Republican caucus for the extraordinary courtesy they extended to the Budget Committee by allowing Senator Byrd to vote--to allow proxy voting in our committee. Our committee does not allow proxy voting, and for a very good reason. We are the only committee that can report a fast-track vehicle to the Senate floor directly. But I do thank the Republican side for doing that. It was very gracious. I think it was in the best tradition of the Senate.
Here on the Senate floor, of course, there is no ability to allow that accommodation to a colleague who is ill. That is the circumstance. I regret it. I just say to my colleague, we are happy to have as many votes as you want to have. The reason we have deferred these major votes until tomorrow is for the reason I have given.
Mr. President, I would just say to my colleague, last year we did much better.
You remember last year we did more votes earlier. Just in line with what the Senator is thinking because that is the best way. I think all of us would agree that is the best way to do our business, to do the votes earlier. You will recall on the vote-arama on that Friday we actually finished at 2 o'clock in the afternoon because we did have more votes earlier. I am entirely, 100 percent in agreement with the Senator. I would far prefer to do it that way. I think it is easier to follow the debate and to have the votes then coincident with the debate.
(Mr. DURBIN assumed the Chair.)
Mr. President, if I might, just on the underlying amendment offered by the Senator, this amendment as we understand it-- we have just seen it--would virtually eliminate the estate tax. Let me say why. Let me first say there is no death tax in the country. Of course, if you poll people and you ask them: Do you want to eliminate the death tax? they will say sure. I had a baggage handler stop a colleague of mine, and he said: My No. 1 priority is to eliminate that death tax. My colleague, who is the current occupant of the chair, told him there is no death tax here. You are not going to pay any tax when you die unless you have $2 million.
The guy was very surprised about that because he heard all this talk about a death tax. There is no death tax in America. There is a tax on estates. At today's level you would have to have $2 million to be taxed. That affects only one-half of 1 percent of estates. When the exemption increases, as it does under current law, and reaches $3.5 million per individual, $7 million a couple in 2009, which is next year, only two-tenths of estates will be taxed.
If you are out there and you are hearing about this death tax, don't worry. It does not apply, next year, to 99.8 percent of people who pass away. It only applies to two-tenths of 1 percent of estates.
We already have a tax structure that has overwhelmingly benefited the wealthiest among us. The amendment by the Senator would cost an additional $478 billion over 10 years, and none of it is paid for. That means it goes on the debt. That means we have to borrow that amount of money, and where are we going to borrow it? We are now borrowing over half the money at our bond auctions from abroad--most of it from the Chinese and the Japanese. So we would have, if the amendment of the Senator is agreed to as is, the unusual situation of borrowing this money primarily from China and Japan to give a tax advantage to two- tenths of 1 percent of the people, but the borrowing would be in the name of all of the American people. So 99.8 percent of the American people would be borrowing this money, primarily from China and Japan, to give it to the Warren Buffets, the Paris Hiltons, and others of enormous wealth in this country.
I do not think that is a good policy. In the underlying budget, we have improved the estate tax situation, reformed it in what is, I think, a reasonable way. This is the bizarre circumstance that is in current law. The exemption now, in 2008, is $4 million--$2 million a person. OK? So if you are a husband or wife and you pass away at the same time, you have $4 million of exemption that applies today. You don't pay anything if you have estates of less than $4 million.
In 2009 that will go up to $7 million. Then in 2010, under current law, there is no estate tax, it is repealed. Then, in 2011--it is utterly bizarre--it goes down to $2 million per couple, $1 million a person.
In the underlying budget we are saying, no, that makes no sense at all to go back down to $2 million a couple, $1 million a person. It should be at $7 million a couple, as it is in 2009. If, in fact, we adopt those levels, virtually no one will pay the estate tax. That is a fact.
Here is what has happened under current law: The number of estates that are taxed is falling very dramatically. In 2000, there were 50,000 taxable estates. In 2006, that has been reduced to 13,000. In 2009, we are now expecting there will only be 7,000 estates that will pay anything. As I indicated, that is two-tenths of 1 percent; 99.8 percent of estates are completely exempt. That is a fact.
Now I am going to lay down an amendment.
I would be happy to yield.
No, this is this Tax Policy Center, I say to my colleague, and they estimate the number of estates in any year, and then they do a further analysis of how many would actually pay an estate tax, and what they have concluded is two-tenths of 1 percent.
I know the Senator is pulling my chain. Even as slow witted as I am, I can recognize when a Senator is pulling my chain, and here on my birthday, my friend and my colleague is doing that.
What we have tried to do is come up with an alternative. I will send this amendment to the desk to provide an alternative approach to that which the Senator from Arizona is offering, to go over and above what is in the Baucus amendment.
I say to my colleague, it provides another $45 billion, so that in addition to extending the estate tax exemptions of 2009, $7 million a couple, $3.5 million an individual, instead of dropping down to $2 million a couple or $1 million, we stay at the $7 million; index it for inflation.
But in this amendment I am sending to the desk, I say to my colleague, it also provides another $45 billion in a reserve fund, which means it would have to be offset either by a spending reduction or other revenue to further close the gap between what Senator Baucus provided in his amendment the other day, and the amendment Senator Kyl has laid down here.
That would be $45 billion in additional room in order to further reform the estate tax. I want to make clear that would be in a reserve fund, so it would have to be offset, it would have to be paid for.
I do not know. This is not my amendment. This is an amendment Senator Baucus and others have crafted. So I apologize to the Senator, I do not know how much more of an exemption that would permit. But others who have crafted this amendment hopefully will have an answer that can be provided when they are available.
Maybe I can conclude this part and go back to the Senator from Illinois who is also inquiring and answer his question.
Mr. President, I send this amendment to the desk. I have styled it Conrad No. 2. In fact, it is not my amendment. It is the amendment of the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, who is at this very moment chairing a hearing on this subject, so he could not be here. That is why I am sending it to the desk.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
I ask that Senator Baucus be permitted, when he is able, to further discuss his amendment. I know we have got time reserved for that purpose.
Yes, that is true, under the exemption rates for next year. Under the exemption rates for next year, it will be two-tenths of 1 percent. I believe this year it is five-tenths of 1 percent; there are 99.5 percent this year that are exempt. Next year it will be 99.8 percent exempt, as the rate goes up.
That is the correct math.
My understanding is--and the Senator might correct me-- that under the Kyl proposal the cost would be approaching $200 billion over--$458 billion over 10 years.
Well, first, in terms of the gross debt of the United States, under this President's watch, the gross debt has nearly doubled. The foreign holding of U.S. debt has more than doubled.
This is it. It took 42 Presidents 224 years to run up $1 trillion of external debt. Perhaps this is the chart the Senator is referring to. It took 42 Presidents, all of these Presidents pictured, 224 years to run up $1 trillion of debt, U.S. debt held abroad. This President, as you can see, has far more than doubled that amount in 7 years.
Well, if his amendment costs another $458 billion, it is not offset. And in a typical bond auction now conducted by the United States, over
half of the money, well over half now, is money from abroad. So you can take well over half of the $458 billion, and it would be added to this external debt.
Well, that is the unfortunate part of, as I see it, the amendment of the Senator from Arizona. What he is doing is saying--he is asking all of us, all Americans, to put our name on the bill. But the money is only going to two-tenths of 1 percent of us. I think that is unfortunate.
I think that is clearly correct.
Yes, I think that is undeniably the case. The problem this country confronts now is we have massive deficits and, under this President, a dramatic increase in the debt. So all of these provisions are based on borrowed money. So why would we go borrow this amount of money, which is increasingly from foreign countries, in order to give a benefit to two-tenths of 1 percent of the American people, when 99.8 percent of the estates in this country are already exempted from the taxation? That is lost on me.
No, this is all put on the tab. This is all borrowed money.
I still have the floor. The Senator from Arizona was seeking to ask me a question.
I am happy to yield to the Senator from New Hampshire if the Senator wishes to engage in this debate or any other debate.
I yield the floor.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
I would like to try to harmonize the numbers because I don't want to leave people with the misimpression that we have some difference on the numbers because I don't think we do. The Senator is talking about 131,000 estates possibly being affected. But that would be at the million-dollar-a-person exemption level; is that not the case?
But that is assuming we have a million-dollar-per-person exemption. Under what is in the budget, we would have $3.5 million per person--$7 million a couple--which, according to our figures, would give only 7,000 estates out of 3.5 million any tax. I think the difference between your 11,000 and my 7,000 was, you are talking about estates that have a filing responsibility. I am talking about estates that would actually have a tax liability. As the Senator well knows, there are some additional people who have a filing obligation even though they don't have a liability.
The numbers the Senator and I are using are actually quite close. We are using somewhat different assumptions. He is talking about if we went down, which current law does, to a million dollar exemption in 2011, 131,000 estates would be affected. What we are seeking to do is to make certain that does not occur, that the exemption amount be $3.5 million a person, $7 million a couple, which would exempt 99.8 percent of estates.
That is absolutely fair. I didn't want to leave some impression that you and I had some great difference on the numbers. I think our numbers are actually very close.
Mr. President, I say to the Senator, may I be recognized for a moment? I have a housekeeping item we need to address.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that amendment No. 4196, which I sent to the desk, be restyled as being offered on behalf of Senator Salazar. I sent it to the desk in the name of Senator Baucus.
That should be in the name of Senator Salazar. He is the mover of that amendment.
Mr. President, why don't we do this out of courtesy to Senator Bunning, who is already here: If we could go to Senator DeMint--how much time would Senator DeMint require?
Could we reach an agreement on up to 25 minutes?
Because Senator Bunning was put on notice earlier he could come at roughly this time. I would be happy to withhold on Senator DeMint's amendment.
Maybe we could get him in the train as well so he would know when he was up.
How much time would the Senator from Kentucky require?
Well, shall we enter into an agreement: up to 25 minutes for Senator DeMint, followed by Senator Bunning for up to 15 minutes. And then, I say to Senator Specter, how much time would you like?
Up to 15 minutes there. That would take us another hour down the road. We will do it off the resolution. Is that fair?
OK.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator for his courtesy and for his work on the Budget Committee. Senator Martinez would like time on a separate matter, not a budget-related matter. This might be a very good time to do that. We hate to have dead time on the floor. How much time would the Senator need?
Mr. President, we will give him up to 15 minutes off the resolution.
Mr. President, might I thank both Senators for their courtesy and their graciousness.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from Pennsylvania.
Next, we have the Senator from North Dakota, Mr. Dorgan.
We can do that perhaps momentarily. We have worked out what we would like to be the order.
Amendment No. 4204
I send an amendment that is the side by side to the Bunning amendment to the desk.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Menendez.) Without objection, it is so ordered.
Next, Senator Gregg will have an opportunity to send up Senator Specter's amendment.
Amendment No. 4203
With one alteration, if I could, that we would--if you recall, we talked about this--I would then discuss the side by side to Bunning, then the Alexander group would be recognized.
After I give brief remarks on the side by side I have sent up. Senator Dorgan can offer his amendment.
Amendment No. 4198
By the sequence we have gone through, we have gotten you in the queue. And so that will be--as we work down the amendments that have already been in order, yours is now in order. And that will be the order that is followed. So the Senator can expect when we turn to amendments, yours will be in line. We very much appreciate the extraordinary courtesy of the Senator from North Dakota, who, as I know, has had to wait a couple of times here because of various snafus. We apologize to him and thank him.
That is precisely correct. I thank my colleague. I will take a few minutes to describe the side by side to the Bunning amendment earlier offered.
The Bunning amendment would repeal the 1993 increases on Social Security benefits--tax increases on Social Security benefits. The amendment would offset the $89 billion 5-year cost with reductions to function 920. What does that mean? Mandatory 920 offsets would lead to an across-the-board cut in all mandatory programs, programs such as Social Security and Medicare. I do not think that is the intention of the Senator.
If discretionary 920s were offset, it would reduce programs affecting education, veterans health, homeland security, and law enforcement. In addition, the amendment would remove a dedicated source of revenue through
the Medicare trust funds, adding to the financial problems of that key program.
Our alternative, the alternative I have sent to the desk, would provide for a reserve fund that would allow for the repeal of the 1993 increase on Social Security benefits in a way that would protect Social Security and Medicare, and not increase the deficit over the period of the resolution.
The budget resolution already includes a reserve fund with the primary purpose of providing a mechanism for enacting tax relief, provided it is paid for. This alternative would establish a new deficit-neutral reserve fund that specifically highlights repeal of the 1993 tax increase on Social Security benefits.
Over the 5-year period covered by this resolution, the cost of repealing the 1993 tax increase is about $89 billion as I earlier referenced. We have already acknowledged in the course of the debate on the resolution we have to limit ourselves when it comes to additional spending or additional tax cuts, because we need to balance the budget.
There are places we can go to cut spending or to raise revenue. I have addressed those repeatedly in terms of the tax gap, the offshore tax havens, and abusive tax shelters.
I ask my colleagues to support the alternative that I have sent to the desk that would not lead to a cut in Medicare or Social Security or other elements I identified.
With that, we would be prepared to go to Senator Alexander for the presentation of his amendment. I see Senator Alexander is in the Chamber. Would the Senator like a moment, or would the Senator prefer to proceed?
I thank the Senator and indicate that the intention would be, after Senator Alexander and Senator Domenici--Senator Alexander, do you have anyone else whom you wish to speak on your amendment?
I wish to indicate that after you have presented, the intention was to go to Senator Kennedy for the purposes of offering an amendment. Senator Salazar is here.
Very well. I offered it in the Senator's name. It is very appropriate that he is here to speak on it.
Senator Alexander, could you tell us how much time you and Senator Domenici may consume?
Could we then have an agreement that those two Senators have up to 40 minutes combined, 20 minutes to Senator Alexander, 20 minutes to Senator Domenici; at the end of that time, which would be at 1:40, that Senator Salazar be recognized.
How much time does the Senator want?
Yes, so that the Senator from Colorado be recognized for 15 minutes at that time. That would take us to roughly 1:55, and Senator Kennedy be recognized for 15 minutes at that point.
Let me add to that, after Senator Kennedy, then Senator Biden be recognized for 10 minutes, not to offer an amendment but to talk about an amendment.
Might I ask the Senator to withhold for 1 moment for a unanimous consent request?
I appreciate the Senator's courtesy.
Senator Salazar's amendment was earlier sent to the desk. He wishes to modify his amendment. It has no effect on the policy, on the numbers, or the effect of the amendment. It is just language. I wonder if we would allow that to go forward?
That is correct. He is asking unanimous consent to modify the amendment.
I thank my colleagues. I again thank Senator Alexander for his courtesy.