Mr. President, first, I thank the Chaplain for the most excellent prayer that he offered today. I think it set the right tone for today's discussions. I hope very much that while we may disagree…
Mr. President, first, I thank the Chaplain for the most excellent prayer that he offered today. I think it set the right tone for today's discussions. I hope very much that while we may disagree strenuously, we can do so in a civil way. I thank especially the ranking member, Senator Gregg, for the way he has conducted this debate on the other side throughout. As is always the case with him, it has been thoroughly professional. It has set an excellent tone. We have vigorous disagreements on policy from time to time, but there are many areas where we actually agree. With him in leadership, it has always been done in a professional way. We especially appreciate the cooperation from all of our colleagues and especially from the ranking member and his outstanding staff.
The budget, as it stands at this moment, takes us in a new direction. It takes us back to fiscal responsibility. It takes us toward a balanced budget by 2012. Here is where the budget stands as of the latest numbers that we have after action last night. Every year of the 5-year budget the deficits will be reduced until we are in balance in 2012, albeit just barely.
The next chart. The debt under the budget resolution, the gross debt of the United States as a percentage of GDP, will finally start to head down instead of increasing year after year after year.
Under this budget resolution, the gross debt of the United States as a share of GDP will start going down in 2009. We will see a slight reduction in 2010. It is somewhat improved, in terms of reduction, in 2011 and 2012.
Spending under this budget resolution is going down as a share of gross domestic product--from 20.5 percent in 2008 down to 18.8 percent in 2012. So we have spending going in the right direction.
The budget resolution is only slightly above baseline for nondefense discretionary funding. The baseline is $438.8 billion. The spending in the 2008 budget resolution is $445 billion, a 1.4-percent difference. That is spending in dollar terms. I was talking about spending previously as a share of GDP. The previous chart showed spending as a share of GDP actually going down.
We do have a number of very significant priorities addressed in this budget. First and foremost is children's health care. We have up to $50 billion allocated over 5 years for children's health care to make possible the coverage for every child who would be eligible in the country. That is 25 times as much as in the President's budget for that same period.
We have also improved on the President's education numbers by 2008. In 2008, the budget resolution provides $62.3 billion compared to the President's budget for education of $56.2 billion for that year.
Another key priority is veterans health care. I am especially proud of what we have done. We have matched, or exceeded, the independent budget prepared by the Nation's veterans organizations. We have matched or exceeded it in every single category except construction, where the Veterans' Affairs Committee tells us they could not spend the amount of money in the independent budget because they simply could not let the contracts in time. In comparison to the President, we are at $43.1 billion for veterans funded, compared to the President's number of $39.6 billion.
On the alternative minimum tax, the old millionaires' tax that is rapidly becoming a middle-class tax trap, we prevent the number of people being swept up into the AMT from increasing from 3.8 million last year. If we didn't take action, that would increase to over 23 million in 2007. We prevent that increase from 3.8 million to over 23 million.
Similarly, in 2008, we prevent an increase to over 25 million people--largely the middle class--and to the upper side of the middle class from being caught up in the alternative minimum tax. That, by the way, is completely offset. Key priorities are the child health and family tax relief amendment. There is $15 billion in the budget resolution itself for children's health care. There is up to $35 billion in a deficit-neutral reserve fund. We also now in the resolution, after the Baucus amendment, extend middle-class tax relief.
We fully provide for marriage penalty tax relief, child tax credit, and the 10-percent bracket. We also provide for estate tax reform. Members will recall that we have this anomalous situation where we are going to go from $3.5 million of exemption per person under the estate tax in 2009--in 2011 it goes back to a million. We prevent that from occurring. So under the budget resolution, a couple could shield $7 million in assets without paying a penny of tax, and it is indexed for inflation.
The revenues in this resolution now, compared to the President's, are depicted on this chart. The green line is our revenues; the red line is the President's revenues. There is a difference of 1.8 percent now.
Seen in a different way, if you look back at what the President initially proposed for revenue, the President proposed $14.826 trillion of revenue. We have in this resolution almost the identical amount; we have $14.827 trillion.
So let me make clear that there is almost no difference in the revenue in this proposal compared to what the President initially proposed. Where would we get that slight difference in revenue? In the first place, there is no tax increase. We don't propose any tax increase in this budget resolution at all. I read some of the stories saying we have all these tax increases. We do not.
We do believe more revenue can be gained. The first place to go is the tax gap. That is the difference between what is owed and what is paid. In 2001 alone, the Internal Revenue Service tells us the tax gap was $345 billion.
Also, offshore tax havens. I have shown this picture many times. There is a five-story building in the Cayman Islands that is the home to 12,748 companies. Mr. President, this is a tax dodge. There are not over 12,000 companies doing business out of this building. They are doing monkey business out of this building. They are engaged in a massive tax evasion. This is the kind of thing we ought to shut down.
Another committee of Congress has told us that there is $100 billion a year--over $500 billion over 5 years--being lost to the U.S. Treasury to these offshore tax haven scams. We suggest cutting that off, stopping it, recovering that revenue. In fact, that would more than cover, by a substantial amount, the revenue difference between us and what is in the President's proposal.
Here is another example. This is a picture of a sewer system in Europe. What does a sewer system in Europe have to do with the budget of the United States? Unfortunately, a lot because wealthy investors and companies bought this sewer system in Europe, depreciated it on the books in the United States to reduce their tax in America, and then they leased the sewer system back to the European city that built it in the first place.
There are hundreds of billions of dollars involved in these tax scams. It is growing, and it is a cancer that has to be stopped.
This budget resolution also makes a beginning at addressing our long- term fiscal challenges. We have $15 billion in Medicare savings. We have major program initiatives to crack down on waste, fraud, and abuse. We have a requirement that tax cuts and new mandatory spending be paid for with a tough pay-go provision. We have a long-term deficit increase point of order. We have a ``save Social Security first'' point of order. We have a health information technology reserve fund. The Rand Corporation told us that alone could save $81 billion a year.
Finally, we have a comparative effectiveness reserve fund so that we go out and look at what are the most effective technologies and treatments in the medical area that work in one part of the country but have not yet been applied elsewhere. Health experts tell us massive savings could come from that initiative.
Let me end as I began. This budget resolution takes us in a new direction, a better direction. This is a budget resolution which restores fiscal discipline. It will balance the books by 2012; it will meet the high-priority needs of the United States; it fully funds the President's defense request and his request for war costs; it has major tax reductions for those in the middle class so that we assure that middle-class tax breaks continue. It also provides for estate tax reform and, at the same time, begins to address the long-term fiscal challenges facing our Nation.
I don't assert that this is a perfect budget. If I had a totally free hand, I am certain it would be different. But at the end of the day, the test for us is, can we write a budget for our country? In 3 of the last 5 years, there has not been a budget for the United States of America. Let me repeat that. In 3 of the last 5 years, there has not been a budget for the United States. It is our obligation and our responsibility to put a budget in place to begin the difficult task of balancing the books while meeting the priority needs of our Nation.
I thank the Chair and yield the floor.
Mr. President, might I say the Senator now has hurt my feelings. Would the Senator's staff put up the caveman chart? That now has hurt my feelings. I don't know how I am going to be able to get through the day after the caveman chart. I don't think that is even a good likeness of the Senator from North Dakota.
OK.
Mr. President, I think we now need to establish the order of the votes, or at least the first several votes, and for that purpose, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I will not object. This, frankly, is a complicated amendment. I am not sure I fully understand all the implications or ramifications of it, but the basic notion that we try to make certain that reconciliation is used for deficit reduction is one I embrace and, in fact, one that is in the budget resolution before us.
We have a requirement in this budget resolution that reconciliation only be used for deficit reduction. The amendment of the Senator from New Hampshire is an attempt to send that signal even more clearly, if I understand it correctly, and the Senator can correct me if I misinterpret it. That is my interpretation, and on that basis I would accept the amendment.
Maybe we should explain what the term means. Reconciliation is a special process here in the Senate that gets around the regular order. It creates a superhighway to pass something. Reconciliation was designed and implemented to permit a fast-track basis for reducing deficits. Unfortunately, it can be abused and it has been abused in the past and used to actually increase deficits. That was never the intention.
We have prevented that from occurring in the budget resolution. So this is an attempt to prevent something that would have minimal deficit reduction from being used as a stalking-horse for a significant expansion of spending.
On that basis, I accept the amendment.
Mr. President, the Senator from Arkansas has an amendment, but do we have an order that indicates on every amendment that there be 2 minutes evenly divided and that there be no second degrees?
And do we have an agreement that there be no second degrees, but that we would reserve the right, based on the managers' decision, to have side-by-sides in any case where that is required? Do we have that as an order?
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that both those provisions be in order, that we have 2 minutes of debate equally divided on a vote, that there be no second degrees, that at the discretion of the managers there be the opportunity for side-by-sides, and that we order rollcall votes at this juncture on all those votes that are presented.
Mr. President, might I inquire of the Senator whether he will accept a voice vote?
Mr. President, I urge my colleagues to vote aye on the Brownback amendment.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote, and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Amendment No. 623
Mr. President, I send an amendment to the desk for immediate consideration. This is a technical amendment, agreed to by both sides.
Mr. President, this is to safeguard minority rights on a conference report. It was suggested by Senator Gregg and his staff. It is very well taken. It should be adopted.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and I move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Amendment No. 513
Might I inquire from the Senator how this works? Perhaps this is something we could accept, but I need to understand how it works. Could the Senator tell me, as I looked at the amendment, on the bottom of the first page there is a blank, at least in the copy I have. It says, ``For deposit of an additional amount into the account established under section 3113(d) of title 31, United States Code, to reduce the public debt''--and then there is a blank. Is that filled in on the amendment of the Senator?
I see.
Mr. President, I am constrained to resist this amendment because, as I understand it, what it does is, if the Appropriations Committee would cut in a certain area they would then be prevented from using that money in some other perhaps higher priority area. If there were savings in one area of the budget and Homeland Security needed additional funding, they would not be able to transfer the money.
On that basis I urge my colleagues to vote no.
Mr. President, that is not my reading of how this amendment would function. I wish I had more time to analyze it. This is the first time I have seen it so I am in a very awkward position here. That is my reading of the amendment, so I have no alternative but to ask my colleagues to oppose it.
The yeas and nays have already been ordered. I ask the yeas and nays be ordered on all these amendments so we don't have to go through that every time.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that succeeding votes be 10-minute votes.
Mr. President, Senator Gregg and I have now visited about the number of outstanding amendments. There are over 60 outstanding amendments. We can do three an hour. That means, unless some of our colleagues relent, we are going to be voting for 20 hours. That is the simple math.
I ask my colleagues on both sides, please, if you can withhold on your amendment and wait for another vehicle, we urge you to do that. We simply cannot spend the next 20 hours voting.
Mr. President, the Senator from Kentucky has done us all a favor by the way he has modified his amendment. It is an amendment we can accept. I ask if the Senator could accept a voice vote.
Correct. We will need to insert that.
I ask unanimous consent that we accept the Bunning amendment.
We would like to proceed to Senator Dole for the purpose of offering her amendment.
Mr. President, we are prepared to accept the amendment of the Senator from North Carolina. We urge our colleagues to accept it.
I ask unanimous consent to agree to the amendment offered by Senator Dole.
Mr. President, next up is Senator Feinstein. She has an amendment.
I ask unanimous consent to adopt the Feinstein amendment.
Mr. President, next we have Senator Sessions to offer an amendment.
Mr. President, the Sessions amendment would increase taxes in fiscal year 2008 by $2.6 billion. It would increase taxes in fiscal year 2009, for a total in those 2 years of $11.7 billion of tax increases. In later years, the Sessions amendment would provide additional revenue loss of $148 billion over 5 years. That busts the budget and takes us back into deficit. It is sort of the worst of all worlds. It increases taxes in the front end and then blows a hole in the budget.
I urge colleagues to vote against the Sessions amendment.
I ask for the yeas and nays on the Sessions amendment.
Mr. President, next is the Nelson amendment. I say to colleagues, on the Nelson amendment and the succeeding Kyl amendment, there will be 6 minutes evenly divided.
Mr. President, I ask Senator Gregg to remind Senators of whom we have left in terms of what is the rest of the order.
Mr. President, there have been a number of statements about the previous amendments that are factually wrong. The previous amendment had a $5 million exemption per person, plus a top effective rate of 35 percent. My colleagues on the other side have misread the previous amendment. It had a top effective rate of 35 percent. I wanted to state that for the Record.
The fundamental difference between the two is that the previous amendment was paid for. This amendment, by Senator Kyl, whom I respect, is not paid for. I would say to my colleagues, if this is a priority, why not pay for it? The hard reality is that if this amendment before us now is adopted--the Kyl amendment--it blows a hole in the budget, puts us back into deficit, after we have worked so hard all these hours to get a balanced budget by 2012. This proposal would put us back into deficit by over $15 billion in 2012. It would add $35 billion to the deficit.
I urge my colleagues to reject this amendment. In the previous Baucus amendment, we provided for all of the middle-class tax cuts and fundamental and significant estate tax reform. It was paid for. This amendment is not. It ought to be rejected.
The Senator is wrong. I know why the Senator is reading it to conclude that. My tax experts tell me that the way the interactive effect occurs, the top effective rate is never more than 35 percent. I know why the Senator is reaching that conclusion. I would be glad to have my tax counsel visit with him because they assure me that in the previous amendment, the top effective rate was 35 percent. I know the Senator agreed about the 5-percent surcharge. I think time has expired.
Mr. President, Senator Gregg has indicated repeatedly that the 10-minute votes are just not being abided by. The only way they can be abided by is, No. 1, if people stay in the Chamber or very close to the Chamber. We are not going to finish this resolution unless we change the way we are doing business. We still have dozens and dozens of amendments remaining. We are going to be here until 1 o'clock this morning unless we change the way we do business.
I have to ask the leadership if they will support going to 10-minute votes.
Does the leadership support that request?
No, we have gone over.
Will the leadership support us going to 10-minutes votes?
Then the word has to go out that we are going to 10- minute votes.
I have to try to make amends on a previous debate. Senator Kyl indicated on the Nelson amendment that it appeared to be higher than a 35-percent rate. There was reason for him to believe that, looking at the amendment. I want to make clear that while we believe the Nelson amendment had a top effective rate of 35 percent, just looking at the amendment, one could easily conclude that is not the case. So I want to make that clear. In no way were we denigrating Senator Kyl's honor with respect to accurately and honestly depicting that amendment.
Mr. President, we are making progress, but we are not making progress fast enough. If we stick to this current pace, and people insist on the number of amendments that are still outstanding, we are going to be here all night. Staff just informed me that is the reality.
Please, if you can withhold and offer them on a separate vehicle, do that.
Senator Allard is next.
Mr. President, this amendment, if it were adopted, would cut Medicare and Medicaid by $58.8 billion. It would cut the Homeland Security Committee by $5.8 billion. It would cut the Agriculture Committee by $3.6 billion.
Beyond that, Mr. President, the pending amendment is not germane. Therefore, I raise a point of order that the amendment violates section 305(b)2 of the Congressional Budget Act of 1974, and I urge a ``no'' vote.
Mr. President, the next amendment is the Smith amendment.
Let me just say we have to get colleagues to cooperate a little more on reducing the number of amendments they are insisting on or we are going to be here late into the night. That is just what the reality is. Please, colleagues, withhold.
Senator Smith is next.
Mr. President, we would be pleased to accept this amendment on a voice vote.
If objection is heard--Senators can vote however they think is the right way. We certainly always have that right; Senators always have that right.
On this side, I urge Senators to vote aye.
Mr. President, Senator Gregg and I have worked through a number of amendments, and I will now send that package to the desk and ask that the amendments be agreed to, and the motions to reconsider be laid on the table.
The list of amendments includes: Lieberman-Collins No. 519; Burr No. 499; Biden No. 528; Thune No. 546; Kennedy No. 602; Chambliss-Feinstein No. 619; Reid-Sanders No. 490; Kerry-Sanders No. 616; Webb-Warner No. 620; Kerry No. 615; and Graham No. 614.
Mr. President, next we go to the Thomas amendment.
Mr. President, did the desk get that?
On this next amendment, Senator Stevens and Senator Inouye are paired?
Mr. President, this amendment, while well intended, would create a serious problem for the body. This amendment prevents the Appropriations Committee from reporting a bill with more than one type of emergency designation. Let me give my colleagues a concrete example. Last year Congress enacted an appropriations bill that included funding for the war effort in Afghanistan and Iraq, as well as disaster relief for the gulf coast. This amendment would prevent that kind of legislation. That would reduce the effectiveness and efficiency of this Chamber already noted for lacking efficiency. I urge my colleagues to vote no.
Mr. President, we thank the Senator from Pennsylvania for the alterations he has made to this amendment. It is acceptable on this side.
I ask unanimous consent we agree to the amendment.
Mr. President, the Senator has reserved the right to object.
Mr. President, the fact is, none of those rates change until 2010, No. 1. No. 2, the Senator's amendment also would not have the effect described by the Senator. The effect the amendment would have is to reduce revenue by $117 billion. It would put us back into deficit in 2012 by $71 billion. This amendment is a budget buster.
I urge my colleagues to vote no.
Mr. President, let's make certain we have the modified version of the Specter amendment. So before we approve that, let me have a chance--it has gone through a number of modifications. Let's make sure the version at the desk is the version we have been advised is at the desk.
OK. That is fine.
Mr. President, the reality of the budget resolution is this may not have anything to do with eliminating the alternative minimum tax. The one thing it will do is reduce the revenue of the Government over the next 5 years by $533 billion, plunging us right back into deficit. Look, we can deal with the AMT. We have dealt with it in the underlying budget resolution for the next 2 years. There will be no increase in the number of people affected by the AMT for the next 2 years under the budget resolution, and that is paid for. Unfortunately, this amendment is not paid for. It would plunge us back into deficit. I urge my colleagues to vote no.
Madam President, next, we are going to go to a Bingaman amendment. He will discuss it briefly, and we will have a colloquy.
I yield to Senator Bingaman.
Madam President, I would have to resist this amendment in its current form because it requires directed scoring. It requires the Congressional Budget Office to score something in a way mandated by Congress. I think that is a slippery slope. I don't think that is the way we want to go. We don't want to start requiring CBO to score things in a certain way. That would impede the impartiality of the CBO.
We are happy to work with the Senator to try to find other ways to address the concerns he has expressed in this amendment.
Madam President, Senator DeMint is next.
Madam President, I urge colleagues to resist this amendment. If we want to blow a hole in the budget, this is the way to do it. We have already addressed dramatic, important estate tax reform. This completely eliminates the estate tax and blows a total hole in the budget.
I urge my colleagues to vote no.
Madam President, I ask for the yeas and nays.