Madam President, I thank the Senator from Iowa. I see the Senator from Georgia and I know the Senator from New Jersey wishes to speak on this issue. I will speak briefly. Will the Senator agree to an…
Madam President, I thank the Senator from Iowa.
I see the Senator from Georgia and I know the Senator from New Jersey wishes to speak on this issue. I will speak briefly. Will the Senator agree to an hour of time on the amendment?
That is fine. We don't expect to vote at that time. I have been informed by the leader we are going to try to do this amendment, then the Bingaman amendment, and then vote on both at 2 o'clock. I won't propose that as a time, but if the Senator would think in those terms, we will go ahead with other Senators and then come back to the Senator from Iowa.
I thank the Senator.
Will the Senator yield on that point for a question?
I listened with great interest--I hope our colleagues are--to the point the Senator from New Jersey is making. I wish to ask his comment on a situation. Some months ago we had a raid in New Bedford, MA. The people were picked up. They were sent up to Fort Devons and flown out of there, and many of them were transported to El Paso. Then some of them were deported. I have in my hand a May 3 article from the Boston Globe. The headline is ``U.S. Deports Wrong Raid Detainee In Case of Mistaken Identity.''
A man arrested in the March 6 raid of the Michael Bianco
leather factory in New Bedford was deported by mistake,
Federal officials said yesterday. Juan Sam-Castro, a native
of Guatemala, was taken for a man of the same name, said the
spokesman for the U.S. Immigration and Customs Service. As
soon as the Customs Service became aware, we took immediate
steps to bring Castro back to the United States. We are
trying to locate him.
Here is an American citizen who has been deported and they are trying to locate him. Is the Senator not saying that in the situation where last year we deported 187,000 individuals and even in the last few weeks where we have this kind of mistake, at least some opportunity for an expedited kind of a review that effectively is not slowing the process down with this individual, between the time he was arrested and the time he was deported, was very few weeks, let alone the time he had the hearing, does this illustrate at least part of the points the Senator is trying to make with regard to the immigration service and the need for at least permitting the kind of review that currently exists? I do not believe we have had testimony to the contrary that this is an undue burden on the system.
Madam President, first of all, I commend my friend from New Jersey for an excellent presentation, particularly on this issue of the Grassley amendment, and for also reminding us about the importance of family in the consideration of our immigration bill.
I think we are going to have an opportunity during the course of the day to deal with those issues in greater detail, and we will look forward to that. I think we have made some important progress in terms of family issues, but I think we have also seen some changes in the existing law in those issues. And it is important for the American people to understand exactly the areas we have made progress in and the areas that we have altered as we deal with this underlying bill.
I wish to take a moment to address the points that are included in the Grassley amendment, which is the pending amendment. Then I understand the Senator from New Mexico will be coming down shortly to offer an amendment that deals with the temporary workers. We will have an opportunity during the noontime to address that issue. Then, according to the leadership, we will have the two votes. If there are side-by-sides, other votes--at 2 o'clock or in the time close to 2 o'clock. I say that for the benefit of our colleagues here.
Madam President, on the Grassley amendment, I think it is important to understand that people who come into the United States under visas have to go through extensive background checks before they are granted visas, and again before they are admitted. We are talking about millions of visitors, about hundreds of thousands of scholars and researchers and workers. These are not criminals or terrorists. Anybody who is a terrorist or criminal is not eligible for a visa.
I will just mention the various crimes that individuals have committed that have denied them the opportunity to come to the United States to get a visa: crimes of moral turpitude, such as aggravated assault, assault with a deadly weapon; aggravated DWI, fraud, larceny, forgery; controlled substance offenses, such as the sale, possession, and distribution of drugs, and drug trafficking; theft offenses, including shoplifting; public nuisance; multiple criminal convictions, any alien convicted of two or more offenses regardless of whether the offense arose from a scheme of misconduct; crimes of violence; counterfeiting; bribery; perjury; certain aliens involved in serious criminal activity who have asserted immunity from prosecution; foreign government officials who have committed particularly severe violations of religious freedom; significant traffickers of persons; money laundering; murder; rape; sexual abuse of a minor; child pornography, as well as attempts or conspiracy to commit most of those offenses.
Those, obviously, who are denied on security-related grounds include espionage or sabotage; engaging in terrorist activity, and that is broadly defined; likely to engage in terrorist activity, broadly defined; association with terrorist activity; representative of a terrorist organization; spouse or child of an individual who is inadmissible as a terrorist; activity that is deemed to have adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States; membership in a totalitarian party.
All of those ban individuals from coming into the United States. So if a visitor here has his visa revoked, he should be entitled to review. This doesn't create a burden on our courts but simply preserves basic due process. Courts review these cases every day, and we have heard no evidence of any undue burden on the courts. These cases can be handled expeditiously.
Immigration judges ordered 220,000 people deported last year. Only 9 percent of these decisions were appealed. We have no abuse in the system at the current time. So providing review to a few more people whose visas are revoked won't flood the courts.
Again, we are talking about the mistakes that can be made with the Department of Homeland Security, as a Member of the Senate, I was put on the no-fly list by the Department of Homeland Security and denied the opportunity to even fly out of the Nation's Capital to go back to my home city of Boston. In Boston, I had the temporary approval by the Department there, which had to overrule Homeland Security. Despite the head of the Homeland Security then saying we have cleared that up, it wasn't cleared up for 3 more weeks, and with the airlines, it was 4 more weeks. If that happens to a Senator, what is happening to other individuals?
I have given the example of a person in my home State of Massachusetts
who was deported. Now the Immigration Service is trying to find that individual down in Guatemala. It was because of similar names.
So I think, as the Senator from New Jersey pointed out, the system we have included in the legislation is appropriate. It is not burdensome. We have had no complaints even during this long period of time. We have had no complaints from any of those who have been involved in the system that it is an undue burden, or any complaints from the judicial system. We have found out that we have 23 different incidents reported by my own Boston office of individuals who are very substantial citizens in New England, including a dean of a medical school, who were put on the list by mistake.
So mistakes happen. All we have in this is a simple process of review. That process has been outlined and stated by the Senator from New Jersey, and it should be preserved.
I look forward to not closing off the time to the Senator from Iowa, but we are trying to move this process along and consider the amendment of the Senator from New Mexico and then see if we cannot continue to consider the follow-on amendments. The Senator from South Carolina has an amendment as well. We will be looking forward to having debate on his amendment.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I wish to take a moment to congratulate the House for moving on the issue of Iraqi translators. I am talking about translators who have worked for the American Armed Forces in Iraq. They have to follow a very detailed procedure, and then they get certified. Most of them have to work on it for more than a year.
These people have been particularly targeted by the terrorists. Their names are printed in mosques and other places of worship, and if they are found, they are executed. We have a limitation, I believe, of 50, and we have taken in 18. Many of these individuals have risked their lives for American service men and women and this legislation will be a very small downpayment in terms of their safety and their security. It is important, and I am hopeful we will be able to address this issue.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I commend my friend from New Mexico for his thoughtful presentation on this issue. As he mentioned, he offered this amendment last year and it passed overwhelmingly. I expect there will be a similar result today.
I appreciated the fact in our earlier debate he understood we need this temporary worker program. All of us want to have a strong border, but we do understand there will be pressure on the
border, and we will either have a front door or a back door, the back door being for those who are going to try to penetrate that border, or the front door so they can come in and have a temporary worker program.
The real issue is the size of this program. The Senator has mentioned the other provisions that are included in the legislation. We have the longstanding temporary worker, the H-2B, which is about 100,000 workers. Those are the seasonal workers, for the most part, who work in many of the resorts during the summer or wintertime and are truly temporary workers. They are entitled to bring their families. They do not. That program has been very modestly expanded over this program.
You have the H-1B, which is sort of high tech, which is 150,000--it will go up to 180,000; and the ag jobs, which is 40,000 to 60,000.
The reason the 400,000 was reached is that is the general estimate, although there are some a good deal higher, of individuals who penetrate now. I think it is safe to say it is probably closer to 500,000 undocumented who come across the border and are able to gain employment here. So the 400,000 represented an evaluation, an estimate from results of hearings. That is how we built that in. Then, in the legislation, there is the possibility it can either go up or go down. The Council of Economic Advisers thinks we need probably close to a million new jobs every year.
I think what we, in our considerations, were thinking about establishing is some panel that would be made up of workers as well as members of the business community and people who could help give an assessment, and make a recommendation of what that number would be.
I think that is probably the best way to go in the future. But that is not where we are today. Where we are today in the bill is 400,000 and the possibility of an escalator to go up or an escalator to go down.
The Senator says: Let's start off in this area, we are not sure how this program is going to work. Let's start off with just 200,000, watch it very carefully, find out if the kind of mix we have with this and with the point system we have been able to develop is going to function and work, whether after 2 years people will really go back or they will not go back.
I think he makes a strong case. I did not support this last year. I feel sort of compelled--under the agreements we have made earlier in terms of the totality, I feel the same restraint this time. But I commend him for the thoughtful presentation. It was thoughtful last year, and it is thoughtful this year. He makes his points very effectively. It ought to be considered by the Members. I do not, as I mentioned, tend to support it, but I certainly would ask our colleagues to look at it very closely because it is a thoughtful presentation. He raises some very important and worthwhile points.
I thank him also for coming over here and offering this amendment. I think the time has been set for voting at 2 o'clock.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mr. Menendez.) The senior Senator from Pennsylvania.
Mr. President, first, I thank my friend from New Mexico for his presentation on this issue. He has spoken to those of us who have been working on immigration about his concerns on the numbers. He made this
presentation the last time the Senate considered the immigration bill and was successful, and I expect he will be this afternoon.
It was very difficult for us to make an exact judgment about the total numbers. Those numbers were set at about 400,000 because that was a somewhat lower estimate of people who were coming in here who were undocumented, and it was also recommended by the Council of Economic Advisers in terms of the needs of the economy. That is where it is from.
But he makes a legitimate point--we do not have a real definite idea about what these numbers ought to be. We looked at the idea that we establish this program and then try to establish a commission that would make a recommendation to Congress in terms of the numbers on into the future. I think that is probably the best way to proceed in the future.
I will reluctantly oppose the amendment of the Senator from New Mexico, but I thank him for the thought he has given to this issue. We will be willing to work with him regardless of how this comes out.
Mr. President, we are prepared to yield whatever time we have--except for the Senator from New Mexico.
Mr. President, I ask consent--I think I yielded the time back before I knew the Senator from Pennsylvania, who is a cosponsor, desired to speak. It will only be half a minute. I ask unanimous consent that he be able to speak prior to the time of the vote.
Mr. President, Senator Grassley was here earlier. I understand he may be modifying his amendment. Senator Graham is prepared to move ahead. Then we will alternate back and forth. The Senator from California, Mrs. Feinstein, is ready to go. I see the Senator from South Carolina. If he is prepared to proceed, we will go ahead with his amendment.
Mr. President, I have a good deal of respect for my friends from South Carolina and Georgia, but I am somewhat mystified by this proposal. Let me illustrate why.
First of all, this proposal by the Senator from South Carolina is a large Federal mandate. Do you understand? It is a large Federal mandate. Why? Because the Bureau of Federal Prisons now says it takes up to 45 to 60 days for any individual who is found guilty in the lower courts to get to a Federal prison. Who pays for that? The local people pay for that.
First, it takes 45 to 60 days--all of which will be included in this amendment--which is going to be paid by the local people. So we are saddling all the local communities, as they start off in their proposal.
Now, after we hear the speeches about how we are going to be tough on crime, let's look specifically at the current law and what our bill does and then what this amendment does.
For the entry of an alien after removal--no deportation or denied admission, no criminal history--under current law: fine, or not more than 2 years, or both. Our bill is the same as current law. But the Graham amendment says: not less than 60 days in jail--60 days in jail.
So we want to let Arizona, California, Texas, New Mexico know that for all those people whom we all heard about coming back across the border, they are going to be for 45 to 60 days in the local jails. Is there any kind of report about how they can handle it? Is there any sense about whether the jails are crowded? Is there any idea about what the Governors say? Is there any idea about what local communities say? No. But this happens to be the fact. There are seven different places where they put these mandatory penalties in.
Under current law, for the entry of criminal offenders, with three or more misdemeanors involving drugs, crimes against persons, or both, or a felony: fine, not less than 10 years, or both. In the bill, S. 1348, we say, three misdemeanors or one felony gets a penalty of not more than 10 years in jail. What does the Graham amendment say? New mandatory minimum creates minimum penalty of 1 year.
So they say you get 1 year. We say you can get up to 10 years. Why the difference? Because we want the judge to make the decision on the severity of the crime.
Here, we go down to the prior aggravated felony conviction penalty, which under current law is not more than 20 years. We, in the bill, say the penalty can be 15 years, or a fine, or both. Under the Graham amendment, it is 2 years and a fine.
Once more, we leave it up to the judge. If we have the serious kinds of penalties, they ought to get the serious time. Who is being tougher on crime? We are listening to the Senators from South Carolina and Georgia: We are tough on crime. Who is tough on crime? Come on.
The list goes on. If you are caught, you are a repeater, you are caught back across the border with a prior conviction for murder, rape, kidnapping, slavery, terrorism, then the penalty is not more than 20 years. Under the Graham amendment, it is 5 years--the new mandatory is 5 years. Ours is 20 years. We let the judge make that decision, but his is 5 years.
Now, I have been a strong supporter of sentencing reform from the very beginning. We have had these enormous disparities on the issue of sentencing. The Sentencing Commission was supposedly to make an evaluation about the nature of the crimes taking place in the country, the space that exists in the various States and Federal institutions and to make recommendations in terms of what the scope ought to be in terms of various crimes and what the availability is in these various penal institutions and how they compare to other kinds of crimes. It seems to me that is what we ought to be doing with the penalties in this legislation as well.
Let's listen to Supreme Court Justice Kennedy, who has vigorously criticized mandatory minimums as unfair and inconsistent with the fundamental principles of justice. In February, he was very clear in his opposition to penalties in his testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He also said mandatory minimums are wrong because they restrict the ability of judges to strike the best balance between the goal of consistent sentencing and the need to give judges discretion to make the punishment fit the crime in individual cases.
That is what we have in the underlying law.
In 2003, Justice Kennedy said:
I can accept neither the necessity nor the wisdom of
Federal mandatory minimum sentences. In too many cases
mandatory minimum sentences are unwise and unjust. The
legislative branch has the obligation to determine whether a
policy is wise.
Now, I am more than willing to establish tough penalties where appropriate, but we have to draw the line with a rash of mandatory minimum sentences in current law. We have a new Congress and a new opportunity to stop the madness with mandatory minimums that impose long and costly sentences. Moreover, there is no suggestion that these penalties make a
great deal of sense. If anything, they are already causing a terrible burden.
There is no epidemic of leniency in the Federal courts today. We have not heard, in hearings in the Judiciary Committee, about leniency in terms of the crimes--we have not--nor with regard to these different provisions.
The Federal prison population has quadrupled in the last 20 years. Now it is larger than any State system. The addition of new mandatory minimums only places further strains on the Federal prisons, which are already struggling with a growing population, along with diminishing budgets. Justice Rehnquist made the following observation about mandatory minimums: Our resources are misspent, our punishments too severe, our sentences too long.
That is his statement in opposition to mandatory minimums. We have the statements that have been made by the 2006 Conference of Mayors, representing 1,100 mayors and cities with populations over 300 that passed a resolution opposing the mandatory minimum sentences. It called for a fair and effective sentencing policy. The Nation's mayors are opposed to mandatory sentences on both Federal and State levels. Our mayors believe we should have laws that permit judges to define appropriate sentences based on the specific circumstances of the crime and the perpetrator's individual situation, and that States should review the effects of both Federal and State mandatory minimum sentencing and move forward.
As I say, that is my position on this. I am under no illusions about what the desire and the will of this institution is on this particular proposal.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I indicated in my earlier comments about the different provisions that exist in the law, the kind of flexibility that is out there to deal with serious crimes. But with the mandatory minimums you have a blunderbuss solution. There is no ability or flexibility at all to be able to deal with it.
The Federal Bureau of Prisons estimates it costs $67 a day for each person in jail. Estimates are it costs $90 per day to detain an immigrant. Right now each immigrant spends an average of 42.5 days in detention prior to deportation, at an average cost of $3,825. Senator Graham's 60-day mandatory minimum for illegal reentry would increase the total spent in detention by 17.5 days, which increases the cost of detention per immigrant to $5,400. These increased costs couldn't be avoided because the mandatory minimum won't let the judge give any defendant a lower sentence regardless of the facts. This is a major problem with the mandatory, and this amendment would be a costly mistake.
The fact is the States pick up before the individual enters the system, the States pick up the tab. So New Mexico, Arizona, California, and Texas, you are going to have this new mandate and expenditures for it.
Last year, 11,000 immigrants were charged with the offense of improper entry. If this amendment passes, we are looking at increasing the costs by millions of dollars. According to 2005 data, the U.S. Government has the resources to hold 19,000 immigrants. It represents less than 1 percent of the undocumented population. This amendment may also require us to build new facilities to house these people, new prison beds, $14,000 per bed. We don't know how many beds will have to be built if this amendment is adopted.
It seems the provisions we have in the legislation make sense, and if the Senator wanted to alter his amendment and say: Let's let this go to the Sentencing Commission and let them make the recommendations, which we have done on other pieces of legislation to permit the penalty to suit the crime, I would say amen. But this amendment is going to put an important additional burden on the local communities, and it doesn't have the flexibility we have in the existing legislation in terms of dealing with those who are the real bad guys in this process. We have that ability in the existing legislation. The idea we are going to make it mandatory for people to go in for this period of time takes away that kind of flexibility, which is desirable.
I see my friend and colleague from New Mexico on the floor and I know he desires to speak.
Mr. President, briefly, to quote from the American Bar Association, this was their comment a year ago on the previous immigration bill on the same subject, on the issue of mandatory minimums when this issue came up during that time:
The American Bar Association strongly opposes the
provisions in the draft legislation--
That was the draft legislation a year ago--
that would enhance or create new mandatory minimums. First,
as a general matter, the mandatory minimums produce an
inflexibility and rigidity in the imposition of punishment
that is inappropriate for a system that we hold out to the
world as a model of justice and fairness. To insist that all
those convicted of a crime be lumped into the same category
and be penalized indefinitely inevitably means the injustice
of a sentence in particular circumstances will be ignored.
Additionally, we are concerned at the high cost of imposing
mandatory minimums. Numerous studies have demonstrated the
extraordinary costs of incarcerating thousands of nonviolent
offenders in our Nation's prisons and jails.
The provisions to create the new mandatory sentences,
coupled with those to increase the mandatory detention, have
the potential to greatly increase the number of individuals
being incarcerated in immigration-related cases at a
significant cost to the American taxpayers.
We have provisions in the legislation that are tough and that a judge can use and must use in those circumstances which require it. But I think to effectively tie the judge's hands in these other circumstances makes little sense.
I see the Senator from California on the Senate floor. I would like to ask how the Senator wants to dispose of this amendment.
Mr. President, I suggest that we proceed with the Senator from California and then come back to that.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that we go now to the Senator from California and her amendment.
Mr. President, I will not take much time. I commend and thank the good Senator from California. This is an extraordinary humanitarian need. I have listened to the Senator from California on the floor, I have listened to her in committee, and I have listened to her at hearings. This is a matter of enormous importance. It relates to minors, children, vulnerable people, and the record of exploitation. This amendment is well thought out. She has had strong bipartisan support for it. In the past, there has not been objection to this amendment. I know of no objection to it. It is an extremely worthwhile amendment.
I have spent a good deal of time commending her and talking about the amendment, but she has done an excellent job in its presentation. I certainly hope we will accept this amendment. I believe we are prepared to accept it.
Mr. President, if the Senator will yield, I ask unanimous consent that the previous incomplete voice vote on amendment No. 1173 be vitiated and the amendment be agreed to. This is the Graham amendment.
I had hoped we could voice vote the amendment of the Senator from California. I have been notified that we cannot voice vote it, so we will have to have a rollcall vote on that amendment. I believe the Senator from California is prepared to go ahead.
Yes, I will be glad to yield for a question.
Yes.
That is an excellent suggestion, if the Senator from Pennsylvania thinks it is a good idea.
I think we ought to do that in a few minutes. I am hopeful we will be able to do it. I hope that request will be made either during or after the debate on the amendment of the Senator from New Hampshire.
So, Mr. President, just before the Senator from New Hampshire begins, we are moving along. We are going to take up the amendment of the Senator from New Hampshire, and then it will come back to our side. We have several Senators who have indicated a desire to offer an amendment. Then I believe it will go back to the other side, and I believe Senator Cornyn has an amendment. That is how we will proceed. We intend to go back and forth. We have quite a list here. We are making progress. I am grateful for all the cooperation we have had.
I yield the floor.
The Senator from California, Mrs. Feinstein, had an amendment. I understand now that we are prepared to voice-vote that amendment.
Mr. President, now we have the Gregg amendment that is pending; am I correct?
Mr. President, I will say a brief word about this amendment. If others want to say a word
about it, that is fine. Then I intend to make a motion to table it.
Mr. President, the Judiciary Committee, long before we developed this legislation, had extensive hearings about border security. We listened to Secretary Chertoff speak. We listened to him both in open session and in closed session.
I am convinced those recommendations were the best information that we had in terms of our border security and they are incorporated in this legislation.
It is a reflection of a bipartisan effort to make sure that we are going to do everything that is necessary and can be done to provide a secure border. We are using the latest in technology. They are using the fence areas where they believe that is appropriate and have the support to do it.
They are using the latest in terms of aerial drones, the latest in terms of barriers that are out there. All of the latest in technology will be used in terms of securing our border.
Now, the Senator from New Hampshire says he wants additional kinds, as well as dramatic increases, in the total number of Customs agents.
What we have to understand, what has been clear since we have started this whole kind of a process is, if we are going to control our border, as we have heard from Homeland Security, the leader of Homeland Security, it has to be comprehensive.
You have to have a secure border, but you also have to have some opportunity to have a border which permits individuals to be able to come through the front door if you are going to help them.
What I mean is, you are going to have to complete this in a timely way. If we just think we are going to be able to delay the completion of a comprehensive program, which the Gregg amendment will do, we are going to find out the borders are going to continue to be penetrated over the foreseeable future. That just happens to be the fact.
We made those points at the time to those who have said they want to abolish or close out a temporary worker program. If you think you can build a border and have border security there and have no opportunity for any individuals to be able to come in legitimately, you have not listened to the record and you have not listened to the testimony and you have not listened to those who have been responsible for national security.
They say you have to have some opportunity for individuals
to choose the more hopeful aspect rather than risk their
lives out in the desert. Now, with the Gregg amendment, what
that will do is effectively ensure that we are denied a
temporary worker program, we are denied the opportunity to
have any chance for individuals to come through the front
door.
As Governor Napolitano pointed out very clearly in her record materials that we have used previously, if you build a 50-foot high fence, those who want to come in will build a 51-foot high ladder. That happens to be the fact. That is why we have heard from those who have been involved in national security and border security who say: You need the comprehensive approach that is the underlying bill.
I think the Gregg amendment will delay the opportunity for us to do the underlying kind of effort to which we have been committed. I think, therefore, we should not accept that.
Mr. President, I move to table the Gregg amendment and ask for the yeas and nays.
I will.
Mr. President, I see the Senator from New Hampshire. I would be glad to withhold if the Senator wanted to address the Senate; otherwise, I will make a motion to table the Gregg amendment.
Mr. President, I will include in the Record the Homeland Security proposal that was shared with the members of the committee. We asked what was going to be necessary for secure borders. I have in my hand the proposal of Homeland Security. That is what we have included in this legislation, their recommendations. I am sure we could always do more and more and more, but what we have done is taken what has been the recommendations of Homeland Security in each and every one of these areas.
They have made it very clear that in carrying forward and reaching these recommendations it is going to take a combination of different elements. It is going to take their own kind of manpower to be able to reach this. It is
going to take the technology to be able to reach it--over what period of time in terms of the contracting, and all the rest.
But as to what was necessary in terms of securing the border, that was it. We are all for it. This is what they told us. That is what we have accepted. We have gone over the list. I will make it part of the Record. It goes over the numbers of hires, going all the way into the Border Patrol agents. They come into the whole issue of border barriers and surveillance, the number of miles each year planned, what they believe is necessary. They review what they believe is the timeline for the catch and return, the number of beds that are going to be necessary. They go through the various milestones, the start-up costs, the actual recurring costs.
They have outlined all of this in very careful detail. That is what we have done. Every Member of the Senate ought to understand, these are Homeland Security's recommendations to secure the border, and that is what we have included in the legislation. It is always possible, I am sure, to be able to do more. We have done what was recommended to secure it, and I think it is a very effective program.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the material be printed in the Record.
Mr. President, I now move to table the amendment of the Senator from New Hampshire.
Mr. President, I would make a motion to table the amendment of the Senator----
From New Hampshire, and I ask for the yeas and nays.
Yeas and nays, Mr. President.
Yeas and nays.
The yeas and nays, Mr. President.
Mr. President, if I could have the attention of the Senator from New Hampshire, we were necessarily absent during the earlier presentation by the Senator from New Hampshire at a meeting with----
I withdraw the motion to table.
Mr. President, I was under the impression we had gone through the debate and discussion. I had indicated I was going to make a motion to table. When the Senator from New Hampshire came to the floor, I was glad to withhold as the Senator remembers. The Senator, as I understood it, had finished his comments, and I made brief comments.
I am more than glad, if the Senator wants to address the amendment. We have just been in the process of trying to move along. I have no intention of cutting him off. We have not attempted to cut anyone off. So if he had that impression, I regret it. I say to the Senator from New Hampshire, we have been longtime friends, and we have been trying to have a process of moving this along. I had not known, at least on our side, we had other people prepared to speak. I had not heard there were others who were prepared to speak on the other side. So that was basically the reason for moving ahead.
But I am glad to withdraw the motion, as I was earlier. I would hope the Senator would understand, and we would hear from the Senator, if he so desires. We want to, at some time, reach some judgment on the amendment, but I am glad to work that out with the Senator, as I have tried to over the years.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to vitiate the yeas and nays on the Gregg amendment.
Mr. President, we are prepared to vote.
Mr. President, I thank the good Senator from New Hampshire. We continue to make progress. I thank him. I know his strong views on this, and we will continue to work on it as a matter of enormous importance. I know the Senator from Arizona and others feel very strongly. We want to have a secure border. People have differing views, but we will work very closely to try and achieve the objectives, and we will work very closely with him as we go to conference and in conference as well. We all understand this is a work in progress.
Now, for the Members, I know Senator Cornyn wanted to offer an amendment. As I understand it, he is still in the Armed Services Committee. We were ready to go on our side. We had an amendment of the Senator from North Dakota which is going to sunset the temporary worker program. He is giving thought to that. If he would like to--I see Senator Cornyn is here now. We may go out of sync here, but if we wanted to go ahead with that--I see my friend from Arizona.
I yield the floor.
Sure.
Mr. President, I think we would like to try to at least get another vote, possibly two. I think we will know more clearly in about 15 minutes and we will notify our colleagues. I think we have made some good progress. We had several of our colleagues--as always, these are enormously important--from the Armed Services Committee and others. We will probably have a brief window tomorrow.
The Senator from Arizona, Senator McCain, was here earlier and wants to do an amendment on back taxes, and I have indicated I thought we could probably do that in the morning and we will try to work out a time with him. We are trying to follow going back and forth, but if there are people here from a particular party who are prepared to go ahead, we want to try to deal with that.
I think we will have a limited time in the morning. I don't know when we are going to get the supplemental, but I am hopeful we would have at least a window in the morning.
That would be fine. I see the Senator from Iowa here who wanted to make a comment as well.