Mr. President, Senator Alexander has not indicated to me the purpose of his presence on the floor, but we are most anxious to get started on the Indian Health Care Improvement Act. That was scheduled…
Mr. President, Senator Alexander has not indicated to me the purpose of his presence on the floor, but we are most anxious to get started on the Indian Health Care Improvement Act. That was scheduled for 9:30 this morning. I wish to begin an opening statement at some point, and I know Senator Murkowski would, and we want to do a managers' package.
Senator Coburn is here, because I asked if he would be here at 9:30, and he has a number of amendments. I appreciate very much his work and his efforts on Indian health care. I am hoping we can work with Senator Coburn this morning to deal with some of his amendments. I know he has filed a number of them, and he and I have had many discussions about it. I appreciate his attendance. He has just walked into the Chamber.
Our interest is in getting a lot of work done this morning and this afternoon in order to try to see if we can finish this bill. This will be the third day that the Indian Health Care Improvement bill has been on the floor, so I wish to begin on that. I know Senator Alexander has appeared, though I don't know for what purpose, and perhaps I would be happy to yield to him if he would tell us if he is wanting to do something else on the floor.
If the statement is 5 minutes, I would not object to that, but I do want, at the end of that 5 minutes, to begin the bill. Again, Senator Coburn has arrived, and we have a lot of work to do. But I know Senator Alexander has worked on budget issues for a long while, so I ask unanimous consent that Senator Alexander be recognized for 5 minutes, and after that I will make some comments, Senator Murkowski then will make some comments, and we will begin a discussion with Senator Coburn.
Mr. President, we are going to turn now to the Indian Health Care Improvement Act, and I am going to be very brief, and I know my colleague will as well because we will have a chance later to speak at greater length.
The Indian Health Care Improvement Act has been the subject of reauthorization for many years, and the Congress has not been able to do it. The fact is we have very serious problems with respect to Indian health care. The Indian Health Service is a very important Federal agency. We have some people who work in that area who do important work and are good and dedicated people, but the fact is the system isn't working very well. We have American Indians--the first Americans, by the way--who are supposed to get health care as a result of treaties and trust responsibilities who are not getting the health care they deserve.
I will again, later today, describe the horrors of Indian health care that does not work. People are dying, people are routinely being denied the health care that every one of us would expect for ourselves and our family. We are trying to reauthorize the Indian Health Care Improvement Act after 8 years. Eight years ago, it was supposed to have been reauthorized. Eight years later, we are still on the floor of the Senate, struggling.
So my hope is, perhaps we will now succeed. Senator Murkowski and the Indian Affairs Committee have worked on a piece of legislation that is not giant reform, it is not a huge step forward, but it is a step forward in the right direction.
Some of my colleagues--I believe my colleague, Senator Coburn--will say we need much larger reform. I do not disagree with that. I am going to be supporting much broader reform in Indian health care. But if you cannot get a modest step in the right direction, how on Earth can you get big, bold reform?
This is the first step in a two-step process to fix what is wrong. I think this Indian Health Care Improvement Act will give us substantial opportunity to improve the health care in the lives of American Indians.
Let me make the point that is important. We owe this health care through treaties, through a trust responsibility. We have made commitments. We owe this health care to American Indians through promises the Federal Government has made.
Regrettably, it has not been adequately delivered. So I am going to talk a little bit later. I know my colleague, Senator Coburn, is on the Senate floor, and he has amendments. I am going to give him an opportunity to speak. I am as well, but I will have an opportunity later this morning to describe in much greater detail why there is an urgency and why this system must be improved. We cannot wait any longer.
I yield the floor.
I have no objection to that. The Senator and I have talked about this. He wants to get all of his amendments pending. But he will be
asking for discussion and votes on a number of them.
I have no objection.
Mr. President, the Senator from Oklahoma cannot possibly win a debate we are not having. I have given his speech 17 times on the floor of the Senate. There is no disagreement between us. I am going to give him a chance to be bold, however, as we go down the road on appropriations because that is what he started talking about: the need for the resources, the need for the money. We have to reform this system. I agree with that. Then we have to fund it. The fact is, we are going to have amendments that add sufficient money. You talk about the fact that we are spending twice as much per person on Federal prisoners for health care as we are to meet our responsibility for American Indians--twice as much for those we have incarcerated because we have a responsibility for their health care.
Now, we need additional money in this system, and we need an overhaul of the system itself. The Senator will find no controversy with me with respect to giving American Indians a card to show up at a health facility and get the health care they need. He knows, and I know, there are many American Indians who live far out on a reservation, 90 miles away from the nearest hospital, and they do not have competition in the health delivery system. They have one place to go when they are sick that morning or their child is sick that afternoon.
So we are going to have a chance to be bold. This is an authorization bill, not an appropriations bill. When appropriations come up, we will have a chance to be bold. I hope the Senator will join me on that.
Let me make a couple comments about this issue.
I am happy to.
Mr. President, I certainly will do that.
It is interesting, we are spending $16 billion a month, $4 billion a week to replenish the accounts for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan and other issues. There are plenty of places for us to decide it is time to fix things here at home.
But I wish to talk about a couple of issues. First of all, there are waiting lines. There is rationing. The Senator from Oklahoma is absolutely correct. Dr. Grim, by the way, came to the Committee in support always of the President's request, saying that was enough because he had a responsibility and a requirement to support the President's budget. But get him off the dais at the hearing and ask him the question, and he would admit there is rationing. About 40 percent of the health care that is needed by American Indians is not available. That is health care rationing. That would be scandalous if it were happening in other parts of the country. It ought to be front page headlines, but you will not hear and you will not read many stories about it, regrettably.
But the fact is, we have a circumstance that brings tears to my eyes. I disagree with the Senator from Oklahoma that this is not a worthy bill. This is a step forward in the right direction. It is not the reform we need, but this is a two-step process. If you cannot get this kind of thing done for 10 years, how on Earth are you going to decide to do something much bolder?
Now, we just faced a budget that came up last week that says not only do we not have enough money for Indian health care, let's cut it. The President says, let's cut what we do have, at a time when we have 40 percent rationing. So we are fighting a battle just to keep the money we have. We need much more if we are going to do what we promised we were going to do.
But let me show the Senator a photograph, if I might. Let me show him a photograph of Ta'shon Rain Littlelight because he says the system does not work. I showed the photograph before because her family has given me permission. This beautiful young 5-year-old girl is dead. She is dead, in my judgment, because of a system that does not work.
They took her again and again and again and again to the clinic. It was on the Crow Reservation in Montana, where I held a hearing and her grandmother stood up with this photograph. She told about little Ta'shon Rain Littlelight. You can see she loved to dance.
Ta'shon Rain Littlelight got sick, and they took her to the health clinic. They treated her for depression. Again and again, they treated her for depression. Even her grandparents said: Well, the way her fingers look, with the swelling of the fingertips, and so on, there must be something else wrong.
Well, one day, of course, they had to fly her to Billings, MT, and then immediately fly her to Denver, CO, where they discovered she had terminal cancer and about 3 months to live.
She asked if she could go see Cinderella's Castle, so Make-A-Wish gave her the opportunity, with her mother, to go to Orlando, FL, to see Cinderella's Castle. This little girl with terminal cancer, the night before she was to see Cinderella's Castle, in the motel room in Orlando, FL, told her mother, ``I am so sorry. I am going to try to be better, Mommy. I won't be sick anymore.'' And she died in her mother's arms that night. This little 5-year-old died because the system did not work.
I have shown a picture of Avis Littlewind. She was 14 years of age, lying in a fetal position in a bed for 90 days and then finally took her own life because there was no mental health treatment available on that reservation--no mental health treatment available to try to help that little girl who felt hopeless and helpless.
This is a photograph, by the way, of Avis Littlewind on the Spirit Lake Nation Reservation. Avis was 14, and she took her life. Her sister took her life. Avis took her life.
This is a photograph of Ardel Hale Baker. Ardel Hale Baker was having a heart attack, diagnosed as having a heart attack on an Indian reservation. They wanted to send her to a hospital an hour and a half away. She did not want to go in the ambulance because she knew if it did not get paid somehow, she would have to pay it, and she did not have any money. They put her in an ambulance anyway and took her to the hospital. As Ardel Hale Baker was being taken off the gurney in the emergency room in the hospital, to be put on a hospital gurney, here is what was taped to her thigh--a piece of paper taped to the thigh of this Indian woman; and it was to the hospital from the Department of Health and Human Services--it was saying, by the way, ``If you admit this woman, understand there is no money in contract health care to pay for her,'' warning the hospital: ``Admit this woman and it is very likely you will not be paid.'' This woman is having a heart attack, and shows up with a piece of paper taped to her leg, saying: ``There is no money for you to be paid, if you admit this woman to your hospital,'' or the woman who goes to the Indian Health Service with a knee that is so painful she cannot walk. It is bone on bone; an unbelievable problem with her knee that you or I or our family would get fixed by having a new knee joint put in. She goes to the Indian Health Service, and the Indian Health Service doctor says: ``Wrap it in cabbage leaves for 4 days.'' That is Indian health care. That is unbelievable, just unbelievable to me.
My colleague from Oklahoma says, well, he does not support this bill because it is not bold. I have been on the floor of the Senate. I have offered amendments to add $1 billion to Indian health care, and it gets defeated. I have seen the budget that came last week from this administration that says they want less money for Indian health care.
Let me put up something Chief Joseph said years and years ago. We took all this Indian land, took all those millions and millions of acres--hundreds of millions of acres--from the Indians, but we said to them: Trust us. We will make you a promise. We will sign treaties. We will tell you that we will provide for your health care. We believe we have a trust responsibility. You can trust us.
Well, regrettably, that responsibility has not been met. Those promises have not been kept. Here is Chief Joseph. He said:
Good words don't last long unless they amount to something.
Words don't pay for my dead people. . . .Good words cannot
give me back my children. Good words will not give my people
good health and stop them from dying.
I care a lot about this issue. In my State, we have four Indian reservations. I have spent a lot of time with them. The fact is, we have people living in the shadows. We have people living in abject, desperate poverty.
I sat with a young girl once at a table with her grandfather. This was a young girl who was put in a foster home at age 3. The woman who put her in a foster home was working 150 cases--150 cases. She did not have time to go check out the home, so she put a 3-year-old girl in a foster home. And on a Saturday night, in a drunken party brawl, a young 3-year-old girl got her arm broken, her nose broken, and her hair pulled out by the roots. That young girl will live forever with those scars.
One hundred and fifty cases a social worker is dealing with? There is such unbelievable difficulty because the resources do not exist. We have people living in Third World conditions.
We had a tribal leader, a chairman of a tribe, say: ``My two daughters live in used trailer houses that we moved from Michigan to the reservation in South Dakota. They don't have indoor plumbing. They have an outdoor rest room, outdoor toilet. One of them has a wood stove in the living room of the trailer house vented out through the window.'' I have seen all of these things. I have experienced all of this. My colleague has seen the same in Alaska. We have people living in Third World conditions in this country. There is a full-scale, bona fide crisis in health care, housing, and education. This bill deals with the question of health care. We have a special responsibility, unlike other responsibilities, because this country has
promised. We have signed treaties. The Supreme Court says we have a trust responsibility. We have not kept our promise, and we have not met our responsibility. I am just flat tired of it.
My colleague says: Let's be bold. Nobody wants to be bolder than I want to be, but we haven't been able to get a bill through here in 10 years, for God's sake. If you can't pass a bill in a decade, how on Earth are you going to be bold? Let's at least take a step in the right direction. I am going to follow that with step 2 on the Indian Affairs Committee, and that is bold, dramatic reform, because this system is not nearly as good as it can be.
He talks about: Why would you add new services? Well, services dealing with diabetes, with cancer screening, with mental health--let's add those services because they are needed, and then let's decide, when the appropriations bill comes around, to add the funding. My colleague knows this is an authorization bill, not a funding bill. We will have a chance to be bold. Let's see who is going to be bold. Let's add the funding to keep our promises, for a change.
My colleague talked a lot about Dr. Grim. I like Dr. Grim. He retired--resigned, I should say--from the Indian Health Service. Dr. Grim came every year, supporting the President's budget. He knew it was not adequate. We know we are rationing health care. The fact is, we all know it. We need to stop it. Are we rationing health care with incarcerated prisoners in Federal prisons? No, we are not, because we have a responsibility for them. We arrest them, we convict them, we send them to prison, and then it is our responsibility to provide for their health care in Federal prisons, and we do it. We spend twice as much per person for them as we do for American Indians. Yet we have the same responsibility for American Indians because we made the promise, signed the treaties, and told them we would provide for these needs. What gives us the right to continue to break our promises? We have done it for decades and decades over almost 200 years. What gives us the right to continue to do that in the face of little children who are dying and in the face of elders who can't get health care? What gives us that right?
I say to my colleague, if you want to be bold, we are going to have a chance to be bold together, because this country ought to stare truth in the face and look at what is happening on Indian reservations.
The other night, I was on an Indian reservation, having a listening session with Indians. There were two sisters sitting in the front row. One sister stood up to speak, and the other sister sobbed uncontrollably--cried and sobbed. It was an unbelievable story about the sister who desperately needed health care and couldn't get it and couldn't find it. She finally had her heart surgery, and of course it was charged back to her, because there was no contract health care. It has completely ruined her credit rating because she doesn't have anything to pay for it, and the Indian Health Service did not serve her needs. She was also treated for depression. She had a heart valve problem that needed surgery, and she was treated for depression. When she finally found a way to get the surgery, it could not be paid for by Indian contract health because they were out of funds. ``Don't get sick after June.'' We had one reservation tell us, don't get sick after January, because they didn't have the money. This poor woman sat there in the chair sobbing as her sister recounted the details of her desperate attempt to deal with a health care problem that was very acute.
So, yes, I am a little bit emotional about these issues. When we have people say, well, let's do much more, I say: Absolutely. Let's do much more than we are now doing. Let's do that in appropriations. That is an awfully good start.
This is an authorization bill which does a lot more than the current Indian Health Care Improvement Act. It does a lot more in areas we know are in urgent need.
We have teen suicide clusters on Indian reservations. In the northern Great Plains, there is a 10 times greater rate of suicide among teenagers--not double, triple, or quadruple, but 10 times the rate of suicide. I went and sat and talked with kids on that reservation, the one where we had a cluster recently. It was just me with some high school kids, talking about what is going on, what is their life like. It is unbelievable.
We need to address these things. That is what we try to do in this Indian Health Care Improvement Act. It is not perfect, but it is certainly a step in the right direction.
I have other things to say, and my colleague may wish to weigh in, as well. My hope will be at the end of the day today that we will be able to get the amendments up and get them voted on. Some of the amendments my colleague described, I likely will support, because I think we can improve this piece of legislation. I think at the end of the day, all of us will hope we will have done something we are proud of, to say to those who don't now have adequate health care or whom we promised health care that we have made a step forward in trying to meet those needs.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, let me thank the Senator from Arizona. He has been working very hard with us to try to move this bill along. I would say to my colleagues on this side of the aisle as well: If you have amendments, please bring them. The majority leader has indicated we are going to finish this bill this week, and that will be a significant step forward. I thank the Senator from Alaska and the Senator from Arizona for their work to help us move this bill. He is correct that we had four or five very controversial issues that provoked some opposition. We worked through those, negotiated, and I think all of them are now resolved.
I think when the Senator from Alaska has completed any statement she is going to make, we do have the managers' amendment that amends the substitute we had offered, and that has been negotiated and agreed to on both sides. So when Senator Murkowski has completed her statement, we will ask that it be completed as well.
Mr. President, I object. I have not had a chance to visit with my colleague. I wish to do so first.
I object. I have not had a chance to visit with the Senator, and I will be glad to do so at some point.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Madam President, it is more than a little frustrating. We have been here for 3 hours this morning. We have amendments on this bill dealing with Indian health care. We have nongermane amendments that have been offered: Medicare, LIHEAP, earmarks for Berkeley, abortion.
This is a very serious issue. We have people dying in this country with respect to this health care question about American Indians. I spoke earlier this morning that the U.S. Government has a responsibility for health care for Indians. If you ask the question: Why? Because we signed up for it. We signed the treaties. We said: We promise, and we have a trust responsibility for it.
So we spend twice as much money to provide health care to Federal prisoners as we do for American Indians. We are not meeting the needs. We have people dying. So it takes 10 years to get a bill to the floor of the Senate--10 years to get a bill to the floor--to try to improve health care for Indians, and we get here, and we have unending appetites for amendments that have nothing to do with Indian health.
Look, I support low-income energy assistance. I support that. I support a lot of these issues. Many of them have nothing to do with Indian health. We are just trying to get a bill passed here.
Let me describe something I heard about a month ago to describe the urgency. I was at the Standing Rock Indian Reservation in North Dakota. It straddles the North Dakota-South Dakota border. The husband of Harriet Archambault came to a meeting I had--a listening session on Indian health care--and he described his wife Harriet and her battle to try to deal with this health care dilemma. They lived nearly 20 miles from a clinic in South Dakota. It was an Indian health care clinic. She would get up in the morning and drive 18 miles to the clinic because that clinic can take only 10 people in the morning and 10 people in the afternoon. So five times, she got up in the morning to drive to that clinic. All five times she got there, there were 10 people ahead of her.
Her medicine ran out on October 25, 2007, her husband said. Five times for the next month, she got up and drove to that clinic. She could not stay there, because she was also a day care provider for her grandchildren. So this woman went, tried to sign up, but there were 10 people ahead of her--that is all they would take--and she had to go home.
Five times she did that in a month. A month later, she died. Her medicine ran out October 25. She died November 25. She had called her sister about 3 weeks before, and she said: ``What do I have to do here to get the medicine I need? Die?'' Well, she did die because she could not get service in this Indian health system.
The fact is, people are dying. All we are asking is that we maybe have somebody come over and offer an amendment on Indian health care and start a debate on these amendments. If we have people who have these amendments, come over and offer them. We have some that are filed. Let's have some votes and try to get through this piece of legislation.
This is the third day we are on the floor of the Senate with this bill. I said earlier, it has taken 10 years to get here. Every single year we have worked on this. Senator McCain, who was chairman of the Indian Affairs Committee, worked on it with me--Senator Murkowski. We work on it and never get it to the floor. We finally get it to the floor of the Senate, and this is like a root canal, except a root canal hurts less, because at least you are accomplishing something.
Here we come to the floor of the Senate, and we cannot get amendments up. We cannot get amendments voted on. So my hope would be we can find a way to move through this legislation.
Madam President, I am happy to yield for a question.
Madam President, I yield for that purpose. I believe I understand what the Senator from Vermont is doing.
Madam President, let me say to the Senator from Vermont, I understand his passion. He knows I have a lot of passion about this bill, and I have expressed it this morning. I understand his passion about LIHEAP. Somebody from Vermont does not have to tell somebody from North Dakota about cold weather. I know about cold weather and my constituents do. LIHEAP is unbelievably important, and we need to find a way to get the money out for LIHEAP. I understand that. I am very sorry he was unable to get the yeas and nays and so on. But he also understands you have to try to offer amendments where you can to authorization bills. I understand that. He is a supporter of this bill, the underlying Indian health care bill we need to get done. It is also the case, I am sure, that the Senator from Alaska knows a little about cold weather. I have been to Alaska. So my hope is that working together in this Chamber we will fund the LIHEAP program, because it is very important. That also can be life or death for people, so my hope is we can get that done.
But having said all of that, again let me say we have a managers' package that perfects--after having negotiated now for several weeks on about five or six very controversial issues, we have negotiated in a way that we have reached a compromise on all of them, satisfactory to all of the parties. We now have that in a managers' package which we intend to offer next. It has not yet cleared. It has been a couple of hours since we have been able to clear that. My hope is that in the next 30 minutes or so we can clear that so at least we can get the managers' package done.
I believe Senator Coburn will be here. He has some amendments filed. I hope he will be here to call up amendments which I believe he will do reasonably soon, and I think Senator Tester wishes to speak on the bill generally.
I yield the floor.
Madam President, I make a point of order that a quorum is not present.
Madam President, let me say, I don't think anybody in the Congress, the Senate, or the House wishes our intelligence community to be blind or deaf. Obviously, we have a process in this country with the FISA Court that allows emergency actions. The opportunity to be able to engage in surveillance and the appropriate surveillance to make sure we are listening to terrorists and all of those things are available.
There is a debate about how wide should the drift net be, that the administration might want to gather almost every communication everywhere in the world and data mine to find out who is saying what. That is an important conversation because it deals with the basic rights in our Constitution. I think there is no one in this Chamber or in the other who believes we want our intelligence community to be blind or deaf and to not have the opportunity to do the kind of surveillance necessary to protect our country. That is very important to state.
Madam President, we are not in morning business, although we are doing some morning business. We are on the piece of legislation that we reported out of the Indian Affairs Committee, dealing with Indian health care improvement. I have always been enormously proud to serve in this body. I am privileged and proud to serve. I have occasionally told friends that the Senate is 100 bad habits--that includes myself, of course. We are not doing anything at the moment, I understand, because one Senator is downtown someplace, giving speeches, and the instruction is that nothing is to be done while that Senator is gone. Good for that Senator, but I don't think this place ought to come to a stop because somebody decides they are going to be gone for 2 or 3 hours, so they want others to object to everything on their behalf. That is, in my judgment, discourteous, and my hope is that the Senate could do a little business today on something that is urgent. That is not too much to ask for the Senate to perhaps consider legislation that is before it. We are now on the third day of the Indian Health Care Improvement Act, a very urgent and serious matter. This is the third day. We have been here for over 3 hours today, and we have had amendments on all kinds of issues, except issues that deal with this legislation.
Even just attempting to offer the managers' package, which has been negotiated over the last month or so, in which we successfully negotiated on about five or six very controversial issues--we negotiated an agreement between the sides, and even being able to offer that at this point is denied because someone who is not even on the Hill told their staff to tell others that the leadership cannot allow this. It is unbelievable to me.
One might expect, perhaps, that today we can make progress on this legislation. Everybody puts on a blue suit and shined shoes and comes to work, and one might expect we can get something done for a change. We will have additional morning business, and we will see if those who have left the Hill and want the entire world to stop and wait for their whims will show up at some point and maybe we can consider some amendments. I hope that will be the case.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
I know my colleague, Senator Coburn, is here. He is going to offer an amendment. I should tell you how pleased I am. Senator Coburn indicated he would be here around 2 o'clock. He was good enough to come this morning at 9:30 and engage in discussion on this bill.
But we have discussion about virtually everything about the bill on the floor of the Senate, Indian health care. The fact is we have had all kinds of amendments that have nothing to do with the bill. I hope we can finally get this moving.
I had spoken this morning of some people whose experience with the Indian health care system and the lack of health care for American Indians has been devastating. Some people died as a result of not having access to adequate care that we would take for granted in our country.
Let me mention my colleague from Oklahoma is on the floor and is going to discuss one of his amendments. You know, we have a trust responsibility. We have a responsibility to keep a promise we have made in treaty after treaty for Indian health care. I do not think there is a disagreement on the floor of the Senate about that.
There is no disagreement that we have a responsibility, that responsibility is in writing in all kinds of treaties. So we have made the promise; we have not kept the promise.
Let me make one final point. There is no group of Americans who have served this country in greater percentage of their population than American Indians. You take a look at the percentage of veterans who have served this country in wars and during peacetime, no population has had a greater percentage of people who have gone to serve America than American Indians.
I told my colleagues once previously about a Sunday morning in Fargo, ND, at the veterans health care facility, veterans hospital, where a veteran named Edmond Young Eagle was dying of lung cancer. I did not know it that day, but he would die 7 days later of lung cancer.
He was a man who lived on an Indian reservation. When called by his country, he served in Africa during the Second World War, at Normandy, throughout Europe, served with great distinction.
He came back. He never had very much, lived a tough life, didn't have many relatives. At the end of his life his sister asked if I could get his medals he had earned but never received. I did. I took them on a Sunday morning to the veterans hospital in Fargo, to this man who was in his mid- to late-seventies, a World War II veteran, had a tough life, never had very much, was dying of lung cancer. We cranked up his hospital bed to a seated position. He was a very sick man but very well aware of what was going on. I pinned a row of medals on his pajama top at the veterans hospital. The doctors and nurses from the hospital packed into his room. This proud man said to me, as I pinned his medals on his pajama top: This is one of the proudest days of my life.
This is a man who had a difficult time in life. He never had very much but served his country when asked in Africa, in Europe, fought for his country. Many years later, just prior to his death, he was recognized by his country, as I told him: A country that is grateful for your service. There are so many who have provided so much service from Indian reservations, from Indian nations.
We have made a solemn pledge to the Indians--we signed it into treaties; we have it as a trust responsibility--we will provide for your health care.
As my colleague from Oklahoma said this morning, take a look at Medicare, Federal prisons, Indian health, a whole range of things. Just to take Federal prisons as an example, we spend twice as much per person providing health care for prisoners as we do meeting our responsibility to provide health care for American Indians. That is a disgrace. It has to change.
I can't tell you how pleased I am to see my colleague from Oklahoma because we have had so many amendments that have so little to do with the underlying bill. I know my colleagues have offered a number of amendments that deal directly with it.
I yield the floor.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
This is an authorization bill. The Senator is amending it. Does his amendment anticipate an increase by $2 billion for the authorized level because we are authorizing expenditures? The Senator will perhaps offer a $2 billion appropriations measure. I will as well. I hope we will be able to work together on that. But we will also have to increase the authorization. Does the amendment increase the authorization?
Mr. President, why don't we do that, provide the authorized room? The Senator this morning indicated--and I agreed--that we are about $2 billion short of fully funding Indian health care. We have full-scale rationing going on. The amendment has a restriction in it. He limits the amount of funding in his amendment to the amount of funding that currently exists in Indian health. The President has just proposed a reduction in funding, even though we are only meeting 60 percent of current need. My question is, should we not then remove that restriction and actually increase the authorization because he and I have the same goal. Let's get the amount of money in the system that provides health care for Indians that we have promised.
If the Senator will yield further, one of the dilemmas in providing Indian health care, not so much in the State of Oklahoma but in other areas where there are reservations, is in many cases the only health care that is available is the Indian Health Service clinic, and you are 80 miles away from the nearest hospital. In many cases there will never be competition in an area where someone is desperately sick and needs to see a doctor quickly. I happen to agree the underlying notion of this amendment of providing a card to someone to say, take this card to a health care facility and get that need fixed, if you must--I happen to think that has merit. I will be working with the Senator on that with respect to the bolder approaches to Indian health care. But on page 4, line 4, is where you have budget neutrality: In conducting the program under this section, the Secretary shall ensure the aggregate payments made to carry out the program do not exceed the amount of Federal expenditures which have been made available. That is saying that we want to do all of this, which would expand contract care and so on but within the same amount of money that currently exists in Indian health care. It is kind of a chicken and egg.
Mr. President, I thank my colleague for coming and debating the amendment. I understand he has to leave.
The Senator from Oklahoma certainly is right, it is not more money necessarily that is only going to solve the problem. But I guarantee you that less money will not solve the problem. If we are 40 percent short of money needed now, I guarantee you that the same amount of money will not solve the problem. The amendment he has offered has a provision that says we are going to do something different, we are going to do something that is unique, and, by the way, you cannot spend any more money than you are now spending in a system that is already 40 percent short of money.
How can we have an amendment that restricts the amount of funding? When he says that--he started this morning by saying we are $2 billion short. It is interesting, I do not necessarily disagree with the proposition of trying to find choices, providing an insurance card, or some other mechanism by which we create some competition with the Indian Health Service. But this may be much better for Oklahoma than it might be for other States.
If you have an Indian Health Service area where you are in an Indian reservation 80 miles from the nearest hospital, and the only health care capability you have is to go to the Indian Health Service, well, you know what, we better have adequate funding for that, at least current funding for that. If you add another program on top of this for other Indians who can go somewhere else in a metropolitan area and be able to present a card, because they have now taken money out of the system and purchased their own insurance--you allow that to happen, then the American Indian who is living on the reservation with the current Indian Health Service clinic there has less money.
How does that work to help the folks who are stranded with no competition? It seems to me the way this is written, with a restriction that says there cannot be any additional resources beyond that which currently exist--and, by the way, the President wants to cut that. We have wide-scale health care rationing going on in this country, with people dying because of it, and the President's budget cuts it.
My colleague says: I will support--quoting him--increased funding, increased authorization. But the amendment he authors actually restricts the amount of money available. In order to do something new, if you are going to restrict the amount of money available to what is available now--if you are going to do something new--it is going to come from some place. I will tell you where it is going to come from. It is going to come from clinics out in those reservations where there is no choice.
There is only one opportunity for somebody who has broken an arm or developed an illness or disease and needs to go someplace quickly to find health care. They are going to go to the local Indian health clinic. This money is going to come out of their hide because this amendment offered provides a restriction that no additional resources can exist.
I do not denigrate the idea offered by the Senator from Oklahoma. But this clearly is not something that would be helpful to a lot of American Indians. In fact, I believe it would be hurtful to a lot of American Indians who are the ones who have no choice--who have no choice at all--but must try to get their emergency care and must try to get their basic health care met at those clinics.
I mentioned this morning a woman named Harriet Archambault whose health care was in McLaughlin, SD, in a satellite clinic of the Indian health care facility for the Standing Rock Tribe in Fort Yates, ND. That was her health care: the McLaughlin, SD, satellite clinic. They can handle 10 people in the morning and 10 people in the afternoon. That is it. If you are not on the list of 10, that is it, and you cannot make a reservation. You come and you sign in.
Well, she came five times, drove 18 miles one way each time. Five times she came, and 5 times she was too late to be in the top 10. She could not stay because she was taking care of her grandchildren. She was the daycare provider for her grandchildren. Her medicine had run out for hypertension and high blood pressure in mid-October. Five times she got up early in the morning to drive nearly 20 miles, and she did not get there in time. There were 10 people on the list ahead of her. One month later she died. She tried five times and never got there, in a remote satellite location.
The fact is, people are dying. Children are dying. Elders are dying. There is not nearly enough money to keep the promise this country made to American Indians. The amendment offered today is one I am very interested in working with the Senator from Oklahoma on in a significant reform package in which we dramatically increase the resources to keep our promise, and then try to provide some competition and some choice. I am interesting in doing that, frankly.
I am not interested in passing an amendment that says, let's do this in a
way that restricts funding for others, which is what this amendment does. There is a specific restriction on funding, and that means there is going to be less funding for those clinics, including the satellite clinics. That is not something I am willing to entertain.
But, again, I appreciate finally getting an amendment offered. My colleague indicated he will be back. I indicated earlier we are at parade rest because one of our colleagues apparently has an objection, through his staff, through leadership, and he is off, apparently, at a meeting downtown, and has a speech, and he will be back sometime around 3:30 maybe. But in the meantime, through his staff, we are told we are not able to move on anything.
I have a managers' package that is agreed to, I believe, and I want to send it to the desk in a moment. My understanding is, we cannot move to embrace it despite the fact it would be a unanimous consent, because one of our colleagues is downtown and will not be back for an hour and a half. That will make him gone for 3 hours. In the meantime, we sit here with our hands in our pockets trying to figure out how on Earth we explain this is a body that is supposed to get something done.
I said this morning I have often called this place 100 bad habits, despite the fact I feel enormously privileged to be here. I love the Senate. But I am not very happy about the way this place works today because we deal with an important issue that is life or death to some people, and we are having a difficult time.
Senator Murkowski has worked on this bill with me for a long period of time. Before her, Senator McCain worked on this legislation. We are finally on the floor of the Senate, and because of things that have nothing at all to do with this bill, we are standing here frozen because somebody is gone, apparently.
Mr. President, I am happy to.
Mr. President, this is this third day we have been on the floor of the Senate. Our hope was this would be the day in which we complete action by late this afternoon. Obviously, it does not appear that way.
Mr. President, I am told one of our colleagues, who is upset about something, has gone off to give a speech downtown at a meeting and will not return for a while. His staff indicates we are not to move without his consent, and he won't provide consent until he comes back, if then.
Well, it sounds that way. But we will see. Again, it is very frustrating. We have worked very hard to bring this legislation to the floor of the Senate. I know a lot of people are counting on the Congress to do the right thing. My hope is we can move forward. I think we have about four amendments we have cleared. We have a managers' package that is cleared. We will get votes on the Coburn amendment, which is germane, right on target, on the bill. So there is no reason we cannot move forward and get this piece of legislation done.
Yes. Let me do this. Let me say the managers' package is something we have negotiated. I believe it has been agreed to unanimously. I do not know of any objection to the package itself. I do know of some objections to the process because one Senator who is not here has staff objecting.
Let me suggest in about 5 minutes I am going to send the managers' package to the desk and ask for its consideration. If there is someone who feels a managers' package that has been unanimously agreed to and worked on very hard--by the way, let me say--and my colleague Senator Murkowski can add to it--we have about five or six areas in the managers' package that are very controversial and had caused us a lot of problems. We worked and worked and negotiated with all of those for whom this controversy exists, and we negotiated something that is agreeable to everybody. It was a good thing to have done. Finally, this managers' package, I think, is now agreeable to everybody, and it is a good piece of work. So in about 5 minutes I wish to send it to the desk and ask for its consideration.
I would be happy to yield.
Mr. President, how much time is Senator Byrd requesting?
Mr. President, Senator Murkowski may wish to add some comments, at which point I believe I will send the managers' package to the desk and ask for its consideration.
I intend to answer the Senator.
Following that, I will be happy to yield the floor. As I understand it, the Senator from California wishes to follow the Senator from West Virginia.
The Senator from West Virginia wants 15 minutes. And the Senator from California wants how much time?
Mr. President, let me defer on the managers' amendment for a moment, and let us begin with Senator Byrd's request for 15 minutes, followed by Senator Boxer. Then my hope would be that we can come back to this bill. We have amendments pending and it is very important that we finish the bill itself this afternoon.
Does Senator Murkowski wish to comment at this point before Senator Byrd takes the floor?
Mr. President, the announcement by the Senator from West Virginia, chairman of the Appropriations Committee is, I think, good news. It is the case that the Appropriations Committee appropriates a great deal of money, and the question about oversight is very important. The Senator from West Virginia talks about understanding and needing to know how the money is spent, where the money is spent.
With nearly three quarters of a trillion dollars having been spent on the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the war on terror, there has been so much waste, fraud, and abuse, and there has been too little oversight. The Senator from West Virginia is showing great foresight and courage in saying we are going to provide that oversight. I think the Senate and the American people owe him a debt of gratitude for launching this effort. I say thank you.
I know the Senator from California is going to speak. When we finish the request, to be able to share with our colleagues, I may ask her to yield so I might propound a unanimous consent request during her presentation.
Mr. President, has the Senator from California completed?
Mr. President, I ask the Senator from California to complete her statement, after which I will be recognized.
Mr. President, we have been patiently waiting for some hours now. It is pretty unbelievable to watch this process work. The old saying about watching sausages being made or laws being made, it is not a very attractive picture. That certainly is true today on the floor of the Senate.
We have legislation we reported out from the Indian Affairs Committee dealing with an obligation that this country has to provide Indian health care. It is an obligation we promised in treaties. It is a trust obligation reaffirmed by our courts, and it has been nearly 10 long years getting to the floor to reauthorize the Indian Health Care Improvement Act. It is not as if anybody is speeding around here.
We finally get to the floor of the Senate, we are on the third day, and we have all kinds of amendments that have little to do with Indian health care.
We have been standing at parade rest for 3 hours while one of our colleagues has been giving speeches downtown and their staff has indicated they must object to this request. I do not understand the 25 stages of approval required in this Chamber to say hello or goodbye. Perhaps we can find a way to move on the issue that confronts the Senate at this moment, and that is Indian health care. Even as we talk, people die out there because there is full-scale rationing of health care.
One part of this legislation that we have worked on is called the managers' package. It is not a typical managers' package we see with other legislation where there are a lot of additions. This managers' package is a requirement we had to try to negotiate about five very difficult and very controversial issues. We had great objections to certain areas of the bill, so Senator Murkowski and I and our staffs worked over the last month to negotiate, and we reached agreement on five or six areas.
That agreement was pretty difficult to reach, but we did it with a lot of people on both sides of the aisle. That is what is comprised of this managers' package.
Amendment No. 4082 to Amendment No. 3899
Our managers' package is at the desk. I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and that the managers' amendment, which is at the desk, be considered.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Mr. President, about 5 hours ago, we were hoping to send that amendment to the desk and have it considered. We hoped to have a vote on it. What we are waiting for at the moment is the remainder of the unanimous consent request. The remainder of the unanimous consent request I will propound, when we determine who offers levels of approval in the Chamber, will be that we have a vote--the way it is constructed is at 3 o'clock, but that was 25 minutes ago--that we have a vote on two amendments.
One will be the managers' amendment I sent to the desk on behalf of myself and Senator Murkowski, bipartisan, I believe, an amendment that does not have objections anywhere in the Chamber because we have resolved those objections, but we will have a recorded vote on that, and then we will have a recorded vote on the amendment that has been offered by Senator Coburn, amendment No. 4034.
My hope is that we will be able to propound a unanimous consent request that will be approved in a few minutes, with a couple-minute debate prior to each vote, and then we will have two votes. Our hope is to begin that at 3 o'clock. My hope remains that will be the case. I will not propound the unanimous consent request at the moment because I understand it has not yet been cleared.
I understand it has now just been cleared, which is great news.
I ask unanimous consent for the following: that the pending amendment, which is the managers' amendment that I just filed on behalf of myself and Senator Murkowski, be set aside and that at 3 p.m. today, the Senate proceed to vote in relation to the amendment, the managers' amendment; that the amendment not be divisible; and that upon disposition of that amendment, the Senate resume the Coburn amendment No. 4034; that there be 2 minutes of debate prior to a vote in relationship to that amendment; and that no amendments be in order to either amendment prior to the vote, with the second vote in sequence 10 minutes in duration.
Mr. President, for the information of Senators, the vote will begin in about 3 minutes, and we will have two votes in sequence.
I ask for the yeas and nays.
Have the yeas and nays been ordered on the Coburn amendment?
Madam President, I oppose the amendment, as does my colleague Senator Murkowski.
Senator Coburn offers some interesting ideas here, but he offers them in the context of saying: We will do some different and additional things with Indian health care, but we will explicitly restrict any additional money that is in the bill itself. That means if you have Indian reservations out in the country someplace, there is an Indian health clinic, and that is the only health care available, I guarantee you they will end up with less money to provide health care to those Indians on those reservations given that restriction in the bill.
For that reason I do not support it, but I look forward to working with my colleague from Oklahoma on ideas of this type.
Madam President, if I might, the Senator from Oklahoma is intending to debate and discuss amendment Nos. 4032 and 4036, and requests recorded votes on both. First of all, I appreciate his cooperation. I understand he is prepared to initiate that debate. What I would like to suggest is whatever time he needs for that debate, we could probably, by consent, with the consent of Senator Murkowski, agree to a time for both those votes.
I might ask the Senator, how long would he like to debate both amendments?
Madam President, would it be satisfactory to the Senator from Oklahoma and Senator Murkowski if we set the two votes on amendment No. 4032 and amendment No. 4036 no later than 4:20?
Let's make it 4:30, Madam President.
Madam President, with the permission of the Senator from Oklahoma, let me ask if he might also discuss his second amendment.
Thank you very much.