Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum and ask…
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum and ask unanimous consent that the time in the quorum call be charged to both sides equally.
Mr. President, let me yield myself 5 minutes from the time allotted.
Mr. President, the vote that will occur at 10:30 or thereabouts is a vote that will determine whether we can proceed to have a vote on my amendment. It is called a cloture vote--to shut off debate so we can move to the amendment I have offered. I wish to remind my colleagues again of what this amendment is.
This amendment is a bipartisan amendment sponsored by 33 Senators, Republicans and Democrats--Senator Grassley, who just spoke, myself, Senator Snowe, Senator McCain, Senator Kennedy, Senator Stabenow; a wide range of Senators, Republicans and Democrats--who believe U.S. citizens ought to be able to purchase FDA-approved prescription drugs, the identical FDA-approved drugs that are sold in other countries for a fraction of the cost of what they are sold for in this country. We believe the American people ought to be able to make the global economy work for them and ought to be able to access those same prescription drugs as long as they are in a chain of custody that makes them safe and as long as they are FDA approved.
I described them yesterday, and let me, again, ask unanimous consent to describe to my colleagues these two bottles.
In these bottles is the medication called Lipitor. Lipitor is made in Ireland. It is a common cholesterol-lowering drug taken by a good many Americans. As you can see, when made in the plant in Ireland, it is put in these bottles--identical bottles--with a label that is blue in this case, red in this case, otherwise identical. The difference in this situation is that this blue bottle is sent to Canada from Ireland, this red bottle is sent to the United States. It is the same pill, same bottle, made in the same manufacturing plant, FDA approved.
The difference? Well, the American consumer is told: You get to pay twice as much for the identical drug. You get to pay twice as much.
It describes a serious problem of what I believe is the overpricing of prescription drugs in this country. We pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. I do not know of anyone in this Chamber who stands up and says: Let me sign up for that. Let me tell you, I think it is right, I think it is fair, and I think it is important that the American consumers pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs.
I do not think anybody stands up here and claims that. What they claim is, if they do not get that kind of money, they will shut down research and development, and they are forced to charge lower prices overseas because those governments overseas won't allow them to make money.
Let me show you what happened a while ago. This Chamber--without my support because it was a foolish thing to do--said: Do you know what. We want to say to the biggest economic interests in our country, the biggest companies that have moved American jobs overseas and make investments overseas, we want to say to them that if you make profits overseas, we will allow you to repatriate those profits into this country, back here, and you get to pay a special tax rate.
Normally, when a company repatriates its profits made elsewhere, it pays normal income tax rates. But this Congress said to them: Do you know what. We will give you a special deal, a big fat tax break. If you repatriate your foreign profits, you get to pay a 5.25-percent income tax rate. Nobody gets to pay a 5.25-percent income tax rate. I would love to pay that. Everybody else would, as well. But the biggest companies in our country got to repatriate a massive amount of money and save, I estimate, about $100 billion in taxes that should have been paid because they got a 5.25-percent sweetheart deal.
So let me just turn to one drug company--Pfizer, a good company, one of the world's biggest drugmakers. This is from the New York Times of June 24, 2005. It said it would return ``$8.6 billion in overseas profits.'' So the combined repatriation of $36.9 billion--it had already announced $28.3 billion--so that makes it $36 billion they are repatriating in profits they have made overseas. The New York Times says that is four times what Pfizer spent on research and development last year.
But isn't it interesting that they charge lower prices for prescription drugs in other countries, they say they do not make money in other countries, yet when they get a big fat sweetheart deal to pay a 5.25-percent income tax rate, they repatriate $36 billion. That is on the profit they made in other countries. It looks to me as if it is profitable selling these drugs at lower prices in foreign countries. So much for that argument.
The price discrepancy I have indicated previously. I used Canada as an example, but I could use France, Italy, Germany, Spain--it would not matter. Lipitor, 96 percent higher prices for Americans; Prevacid, 97 percent higher prices for Americans; Nexium, 55 percent higher prices; Zocor--the fact is, we are paying the highest prices for brand-name prescription drugs in the world, and it is unfair. We are trying to change that.
What we are saying is: Let's let the global economy work for everybody, not just the large pharmaceutical industry. How about allowing it to work for regular folks, to buy a safe FDA-approved prescription drug, for example, from a Canadian pharmacy.
Can anybody give me one reason why a U.S.-licensed pharmacist should not be able to go to a licensed pharmacist in Winnipeg, Canada--both licensed, both with an identical chain of custody--why a U.S.-licensed pharmacist should not be able to go to a licensed pharmacist in Canada and acquire an FDA-approved drug, such as Tamoxifen, at one-fourth or one-fifth of the price charged in the United States and pass the savings along to the consumer? I am not asking for five reasons. I am asking: Can anyone give me one reason why that should be prohibited? I think the answer is that there is not a good reason why we should prohibit that sort of thing.
So we will have a vote on this amendment. My hope is we will be able to invoke cloture so we will be able to proceed to the amendment. There will be a Cochran amendment to my amendment, a second degree, and then a vote on my amendment. My hope is we will be able to do that today.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, my colleague is apparently going to win a debate we are not having: that this is a bill that will allow the import of prescription drugs from any country around the world. I don't know of that piece of legislation, but if it exists, I will be happy to vote against it. That is not what this amendment is. This amendment doesn't allow imported drugs from anywhere around the world at all. So I am not interested in losing a debate I am not involved in. This debate is about a piece of legislation, carefully constructed, in which we allow imported drugs from countries which have been judged to have a safe supply of drugs.
Let me give an example of testimony from David Kessler. I would say if you could find an expert better on these subjects than David Kessler, I would like to hear the name. He ran the FDA for 8 years and has been identified by everybody as an outstanding FDA Commissioner. Here is what he says. The Dorgan-Snowe bill provides:
A sound framework for assuring that imported drugs are safe
and effective. Most notably, it provides additional resources
to the agency to run such a program, oversight by the FDA of
the chain of custody of imported drugs back to the FDA-
inspected plants, a mechanism to review imported drugs to
ensure that they meet FDA's approval standards, and the
registration and oversight of importers and exporters to
assure that imported drugs meet these standards and are not
counterfeit.
All of this discussion about counterfeit that is happening today, under today's rules, without importation. That is a specious issue. Dr. David Kessler says it provides a sound framework for assuring that imported drugs are safe and effective.
Let me show you a chart from Dr. Rost. I mentioned earlier that they have been doing this for 20 years in Europe. Dr. Peter Rost, former vice president of marketing at Pfizer, said:
During my time responsible for a region in northern Europe,
I never once--not once--heard the drug industry, regulatory
agency,
the government, or anyone else saying that this practice was
unsafe--
He was talking about importation of prescription drugs. If you are in Germany and you want to bring a drug in from France, you can do it through what is called parallel trading. If you are in Spain and want to bring a drug in from Italy, you can do that. So he said not once has anybody raised the issue that this practice was unsafe.
He also said:
Personally, I think it is outright derogatory to claim that
Americans would not be able to handle reimportation of drugs,
when the rest of the educated world can do this.
That is the fact. One other thing: the Congressional Budget Office says this amendment will save $50 billion in 10 years. The leading expert says there is no safety issue. We have a regime in this bill that provides for safety. So the question isn't on all of these ancillary issues--by the way, the Washington Post doesn't take on this issue with respect to safety. It says there is, in fact, a problem with drug pricing. I will read it. They don't want this passed, but the reason is they are worried it will undercut the underlying bill because the President will veto it.
Here is what the President said when he was running in 2000. He was asked:
What about importing drugs?
The President said:
Well, if it is safe, then it makes sense.
Obviously, he was telling those at that debate that he
thinks it makes sense if it is safe. How about consulting Dr.
David Kessler, who says it is safe and effective, as we have
described it in this legislation. So what the Washington Post
says--because the President threatened to veto the bill--they
are talking about ``importation will not solve the problem of
drug pricing.''
Apparently, the Washington Post thinks there is a problem in drug pricing. What is that problem? To respond to my colleague's comments, in the first quarter of 2007 we had the largest price increase in prescription drugs in this country in 6 years. The American Association of Retired Persons, AARP, said in 2006 the price of prescription drugs rose four times the rate of inflation. There is no problem? I think there is a problem. The Washington Post says there is. The numbers show there is a problem.
The question is, Are we going to solve the problem, or are we going to punt it down the road one more time?
Mr. President, I yield 5 minutes to my colleague from Vermont.
Mr. President, I thank my colleague from Wyoming. I regret he cannot be a supporter of cloture and the amendment. I respect and understand his position. We disagree, and I do so respectfully.
I do wish to mention one thing with respect to a pilot program. Following that hearing, I did put together a pilot project and went to Tommy Thompson. I went down to his office and made a presentation of a northern plains pilot project on prescription drugs. He felt like he couldn't move forward with it.
I do want to say what he said to me after he left Health and Human Services. I met him in the elevator outside the Senate Chamber one day after he left being Secretary. I badgered him a lot about the issue of reimportation. As I got off the elevator and he was getting on, we greeted each other. I liked him. I thought he was a good Health and Human Services Secretary. He said: By the way, Byron, you keep working on the imported drug issue. You are right about that. That was after he left Health and Human Services.
Let me again respond with respect to David Kessler. All this talk about safety. First of all, this is where this amendment belongs, on this bill. This improves the bill. It doesn't detract from safety issues at all. It does address something not addressed in this bill, and that is a serious pricing problem with prescription drugs in our country.
There is no answer to this that I have heard in all the discussion. David Kessler, head of FDA for 8 years--I think he is the expert on these issues--said: The Dorgan-Snowe bill ``provides a sound framework for assuring that imported drugs are safe and effective.''
He says they will be safe and effective. Why would someone go to some fraudulent Web site, as was discussed, or maybe go to a bad Web site, why would somebody go to a bad Web site in order to import prescription drugs if a Web site by the FDA exists that would describe where they can access these prescription drugs safely? Those are specious arguments.
The Congressional Budget Office says this amendment will save $50 billion over 10 years. Why would they say that? Precisely because the Washington Post acknowledges there is a pricing problem with prescription drugs in our country. There will be a $50 billion savings over 10 years.
I mentioned that in the first quarter of this year the price of prescription drugs had the largest increase in 6 years in this country. Last year, 2006, according to AARP, it rose four times the rate of inflation.
There is a pricing problem with prescription drugs. The identical drug FDA approved, same pill, put in the same bottle, made by the same company, is sent virtually every other place in the world at a lower price, and the American consumer is told: You know what, we have a special deal for you. You get to pay the highest price in the world.
The question is whether this Congress will decide that special deal of the highest price in the world ought to stop. I hope this Congress will decide we are going to stand with the consumers. Yes, we are going to insist on safety, but we are going to stand with consumers. There is a pricing problem. This amendment is one way to fix that problem in a manner that is safe and effective.
Finally, Mr. Rost says that for 20 years, they did this in Europe. He said:
I think it is outright derogatory to claim that Americans
would not be able to handle reimportation of drugs, when the
rest of the educated world can do this.
Of course, we can do this. Of course, we can allow someone to go to Canada and buy from a Canadian drugstore that has as safe a chain of custody as we do and buy prescription drugs, in this case Lipitor, for half the price that is being charged 5 miles south across the border.
Why on Earth should the global economy not be able to work for average folks? The pharmaceutical industry imports all of these drugs. Why should the average person in this country not be able to put downward pressure on prescription drug prices by being able to access FDA-approved drugs from other countries, such as Canada and other countries, that have a supply of safe drugs. That is what our amendment does. It is the right thing to do.
Mr. President, how much time remains?
Then I yield the floor, Mr. President.
Cloture Motion
Mr. President, as was indicated earlier, the Cochran amendment, with cosponsors, is currently pending, I believe, or has been appropriately offered and is pending. I would like to make a couple of comments about the vote we will have at some point in the future on the Cochran amendment. And what I would like to do is go through so that all of our colleagues understand what is in the underlying bill.
I indicated earlier that one of my colleagues stood up and said the legislation we had offered would allow drug importation from any country in the world, and that is not true. There is no such debate on a bill that doesn't exist.
Mr. President, I have a piece of information distributed by Pfizer Corporation that is opposed to my amendment. It describes various problems with the drugs that are purchased online and counterfeit drugs, and so on. Interestingly enough, all of these problems would be solved by the legislation I have introduced with all of the safety issues involved. You know these are specious issues because the underlying legislation would address all of those issues.
Now, let me go through a list--this is the list; you won't be able to read it, but I will go through them--of the safety provisions in this legislation. First of all, with imported drugs, drugs imported from other countries, which, as I have indicated, Europe has done for 20 years with no safety issues at all, so we are as competent as the Europeans are in being able to do this.
Our bill would require that all imported drugs be approved by the Food and Drug Administration. So we are not talking about any renegade drugs, all FDA-approved drugs, all of them imported be approved by the
I won't speak at length. I do want to make one point. The Senator from Mississippi indicated the amendment I have offered would allow for the reimportation of drugs that are not FDA approved. I don't know where that information comes from, but it is demonstrably untrue. I don't want there to be a mistaken impression on that. I ask my colleague from Mississippi if we could at least resolve that issue. The intent of this, the written version of this, is very clear. No drug will be imported into this country unless it is FDA approved. My colleague indicated this amendment would allow drugs to come in that are not approved. I don't know where that information comes from. If he and I could at least exchange information so that we resolve that, I would appreciate that.
Mr. President, that is a different issue. The amendment itself, whether there is a regulatory framework or not, will not allow a drug to be imported that is not FDA approved. That is the written provision in the amendment itself.
Second, with respect to cost, we may have a disagreement on that, but I again observe that the Congressional Budget Office this morning has given us another score, and the score from the Congressional Budget Office says this will save the Federal Government $10.6 billion in a 10-year period. I believe the global savings--the rest would be for consumers--is slightly over $50 billion in 10 years. So it seems to me it is self-evident. If the Congressional Budget Office is putting out information to the Senate this morning that describes the amount of savings, in this case averaging about $5 billion a year,
it is quite clear, someone is going to save something somewhere. I think we also can resolve the cost issue at some point down the road.
Let me say, I respect the Senator from Mississippi. He is a very worthy legislator, cares passionately about the things he works on. I do the same. I think the way to resolve this is to talk through what are the safety provisions in the bill. If they are inadequate, demonstrably inaccurate, I will accept that we would make some changes. But I do not believe that is the case. I do not believe it has been demonstrated.
As I have indicated previously, Dr. David Kessler, who ran FDA for 8 years, says this bill provides a sound framework for assuring that imported drugs are safe and effective. I understand the pharmaceutical industry does not say that. I understand some others do not believe that. I understand and respect that. But I also believe, very strongly, that the evidence is overwhelming. We have added the safety provisions that were raised by Secretary Shalala. We have added the provisions raised by Secretary Thompson.
I believe--and 33 of my colleagues in this Chamber, Republicans and Democrats, believe--we have done a very good job in resolving those issues. This issue almost has a gray beard. It has been around a long time. We have been trying a long time. It is hard to win on this issue. I accept that, and I understand it. But I am hoping that perhaps this is the year in which we might give the American consumer an opportunity to be able to participate in the global marketplace in a safe and effective way, just as the Europeans do, and be able to access a lower price of FDA-approved drugs.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, one of the observations I made when I was privileged to come to the Senate is that virtually everyone here is a pretty effective communicator. I am reminded of that every day. I hear debate by people who really are effective, and I always appreciate it, and it is always interesting to me.
I do think--certainly everybody is entitled to their opinions; I respect their opinions--not everybody is entitled to their own set of facts. We have to deal with a common set of facts.
My colleague just made a statement, a philosophical statement, about what he believes. I respect that. But the statement included thoughts like that this piece of legislation would probably abrogate or not respect copyrights. Nothing could be further from the truth. There is nothing in here that would abrogate copyright protection, and so on. In fact, this amendment provides the requirement of serial numbers on lots and samples by those who are engaged in this sort of thing that has been prevented from occurring inside this country. It requires it for importation, and it requires it for domestic medicines. This will dramatically change the safety of the drug supply here and with respect to that which would be imported.
With respect to the American people, the American people are not undecided on this issue. Mr. President, 70 or 80 percent of them believe there ought to be allowed the importation of prescription drugs. This is not something the American people are undecided about. It is only in this Congress that it has not been decided. So I think that is something we should understand. Why would the American people believe they should be able to import FDA-approved drugs? Because they believe it is fair for them to be able to do it.
Let me describe where the prescription drugs come from by the manufacturers of the drugs. If you are taking Lipitor, that is not made here; that is made in Ireland. If you are taking Toprol XL, that is made in Sweden. Nexium is made in France. Altace is made in Malta. Vytorin is made in Singapore and Italy. These drugs are already imported. Regrettably, by the way, I might say they are imported without the protections that would exist in our amendment. It would require the manufacturer--the manufacturer of the drug--to have serial numbers on the lots, to have samples of every lot reserved, to have a pedigree for every medicine that is moved. That is for domestic consumption. I am not talking about the imported drugs under my bill; I am talking about the drugs that are made in these countries and other countries that ship them into this country, and every drug that is produced in this country will require the same.
The fact is we have tried to get that same requirement on domestic drugs and have been blocked for a long time. This legislation will make the drug supply in this country far more safe than it currently is.
We all know the amendment that is being offered about risk. Were that amendment to be offered with respect to new prescription drugs that come from research to say, you can't put a drug out there if there is risk, do you think you would have a new drug on the market anytime soon? Do you think a Health and Human Services Secretary or an FDA administrator can say: By the way, I am approving this drug and there is no risk. Of course, they can't. Of course, they would not. We know that. Drugs have risks. In fact, some drugs are put on the marketplace, and we discover later they should not have been there--a substantial risk. Vioxx. An official at the FDA says he believes 50,000 to 70,000 American people died of heart attacks as a result of Vioxx being put on the market. Further, he says--this isn't me, this is an official at the FDA--that Vioxx was widely advertised and widely promoted as some wonderful new drug, when in fact it was not a new class of drugs that had any significant benefit over existing drugs. The point is this: If one were to ascribe this risk category to new drugs, there would be no new drugs.
I know all this talk about counterfeiting--and man, have we talked a lot about counterfeiting in this Chamber in the last couple of days-- all this talk about counterfeiting ignores the point that it is occurring under today's laws. The way to fix that and the way to stop counterfeiters is to do what we do in this amendment: You require on every prescription drug that is sold, that it have a pedigree. You require in every circumstance there be serial numbers on lots and samples. It is incontrovertible, in my judgment, that this will dramatically improve the safety of domestic prescription drugs as well as imported prescription drugs.
One final point with respect to the issue of research. My colleague said: Well, if we pass this amendment, what the Senate has said is there is no value to research on prescription drugs. I don't have the foggiest idea where that concept comes from. We spend a lot of money on research. I was one of a group of Senators who said: Let's double the amount of money at the National Institutes of Health, and we did, in 5 years, to dramatically improve and increase the amount of research at the National Institutes of Health. I am a big supporter of research. We do a lot of wonderful research, some in the public sector, some in the private sector.
At the NIH, by the way, we do the research and often much of that research is used by the pharmaceutical industry to produce lifesaving drugs. But lifesaving drugs save no lives if you can't afford to get them, if you can't afford to have them, and if you can't afford to take them.
It is true none of us have a problem, in this Chamber, dealing with the price of drugs; we have health care policies and those kinds of things. But there are a lot of folks all over the country who are taking a lot of different prescription drugs. I think prescription drugs are wonderful. They keep people out of an acute care hospital bed, the most expensive kind of health care. Interestingly enough, in many cases they are taking 10 or 12 different kinds of prescription drugs to manage various diseases. As a result of that, we passed Part D; my colleague is correct about that. Part D provides drug benefits to those who have reached the age of Medicare. Regrettably, of course, there was nothing in Part D that would put downward pressure on prescription drug prices. I would say look at the increase in prescription drug prices in the first quarter in this country. Look at the increase in prescription drug prices in 2006, and then ask yourself whether all of this is working to put some downward pressure on pricing. It is not. It is just not.
So as I said earlier this morning, I hate to lose a debate I am not having. I would love to have a debate in which we are both debating the same bill, but a suggestion somehow that this bill allows drugs to come into this country that are not FDA-approved means that you are off debating some other bill someplace. Well, fine. Win that debate if you want. It is not the bill that is on the floor of the Senate. It isn't. The same is true with a number of statements that have been made about respecting copyrights, and so on. In fact, what we have required is a regulatory burden that the industry doesn't like--I understand that-- but it will, in fact, protect them and protect their copyright because it will make it much harder for anyone to counterfeit. That is a fact.
One of the interesting aspects of this country is that we are seeing some unbelievably good news. The good news is people are living longer and better lives. In a century, in 100 years, we have increased the lifespan by somewhere around 30 years, from 46 years old to about 76 years old. That is good news. People are living longer and better lives. A significant part of that, I think, is being able to, at an advanced age, manage diseases. A significant part of that is prescription drugs. There are some who don't have that. I have an uncle I have described before who is now 86 years old. He and his wife take no prescription drugs at age 86. The fact is, as I have also described to my colleagues, he is a runner. He runs in the Senior Olympics at age 86. He used to run in his seventies and early eighties the 400 meter and the 800 meter. Now he tells me he is a specialist in the 100-meter dash, at age 86. He has a good life. He is healthy. He likes life. He is very active. He is not riding his motorcycle so much anymore, but he has one of the biggest motorcycles you can get sitting in his garage. He doesn't need to take prescription drugs. Good for him.
We have a lot of folks who reach their eighties and nineties. We know about that because in our part of the country, my State of North Dakota ranks No. 1 in the Nation in the number of people 86 years of age or older as a percent of the population. We rank No. 5 in the country in the number of people 65 years of age or older as a percent of the population. So a lot of people are living a lot longer. That is good news. It puts some drain on Social Security and Medicare.
A quick way to fix Social Security and Medicare is to go back to the old life expectancy, go back to age 46. We wouldn't have any trouble. I am digressing a bit, but when Social Security was created, on average, people lived to be 63. So we created a system that says: When you retire, you get benefits at 65. Well, I went to a small school, but I understood enough in math to think that works out real well. You pay taxes and, on average, you are going to live to age 63, and when you retire at 65, you get some benefits. That is not a system that is going to have financing trouble at all. But then the problem is people began living much longer. That is not a problem. That is a success. So good for them.
At any rate, prescription drugs about 40 years ago became a much larger part of the discussion in modern life, to keep people out of the acute care hospital beds and to manage their diseases. So that is a wonderful thing. I have said before, and I will say it again: The pharmaceutical industry is a fine industry; I have serious problems with their pricing strategy. I think it is wrong. I want them to succeed. I want them to research. I want them to do the research on prescription drugs. I would like them to stop advertising early in the morning when I am shaving and brushing my teeth and getting ready for work, telling me what I ought to go talk to my doctor about. They have all these pills they want me to ask the doctor if they are right for me. I get confused. I am not sure I need them. But there is a lot of advertising going on and a lot of promotion.
I want them to find new medicines to unlock the mysteries of dread diseases. I want the Federal Government, through the NIH, to substantially invest in new research and development. I want all of those things. But I also want, even as I compliment the pharmaceutical industry and I compliment the NIH and all those who are spending their days--today, Thursday--trying to figure out how do you unlock the mysteries of ALS or diabetes or cancer or heart disease, even as I do that, I say to the pharmaceutical industry: I think your pricing strategy is wrong and it is unfair to the American people. We ought not be paying the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. That is unfair.
The amendment I have offered with 33 of my colleagues, Republicans and Democrats, would change that. No, it wouldn't shut down research, not at all. No, it wouldn't exacerbate counterfeiting, not at all. The fact is this will be fair to the American people, if we pass this legislation. It will continue, I think, to see substantial research. It will also, in my judgment, contribute to shutting down the counterfeiting of prescription drugs, but most importantly, it will finally say to the American people that we are on your side on this issue. We believe in fair pricing and we finally are going to insist on it.
I yield the floor, and I make a point of order that a quorum is not present.
Madam President, I would like to offer a few comments about this subject. My colleague has spoken on it several times. As I have indicated, we all want to deal from the same set of facts. This is not--let me emphasize again--it is not importing the standards of other countries with respect to the safety of prescription drugs. It does not do that. I want to make sure everybody understands what the facts are. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion; everyone is not entitled to their own set of facts. This does not import the standards of some other country into this country with respect to the safety of prescription drugs. This is simply the question of whether we want to continue to have FDA-approved drugs made in FDA-approved plants; that is, a plant inspected by our Food and Drug Administration, producing medicine and put into a bottle that is approved by our Food and Drug Administration and sold in this country and the same medicine, in the same bottles, sold in France, sold in Italy, sold in Germany, sold in Canada, sold in England, to have the U.S. consumer pay the highest prices of all of those countries. Is that fair to the U.S. consumer? The answer is no.
We have a lot of issues that are being raised on the issue of safety. All the things I have heard discussed on the floor of the Senate apply to today--now--when we don't have importation. We are not able to import safely. I should say we are not able to import, rather, prescription drugs because there is a prohibition against it. The only entity that can import a prescription drug is the manufacturer. Lipitor. I held up two bottles of Lipitor on the floor today. Lipitor is made in Ireland. They send it all around the world. They send it to Canada and they send it to the United States. The bottle looks the same, the pill looks the same because it is the same, and it is sold under the same chain of custody--Canada and the United States. There is only one difference. The U.S. consumer is treated to double the price when they purchase their Lipitor. Is that fair? Should we pay twice the price for an FDA-approved drug? I don't think so.
My colleagues have said there are counterfeiting issues. Well, all of the stories that have been recounted about counterfeiting issues are occurring under today's schematic of prescription drug sales in America. This has nothing to do with importing. In fact, the legislation I have offered is legislation that would make the supply of prescription drugs in this country and the supply that would come into this country under reimportation much safer. They would be safer because we have put in place safety procedures that have previously been blocked in the Congress, establishing serial numbers on the supply of prescription drugs, samples of the supply of prescription drugs to be held back by those who are manufacturing and moving the prescription drugs, establishing a pedigree for all of these drugs and the bottles in which they travel. It is much safer. It will be much safer for the domestic supply in addition to the supply of imported prescription drugs. That is the point we make.
I suppose people will be tired of hearing me say that I respect those who have a different opinion, but I would prefer if they would stand up and say: You know something. Here is my situation. I think the American people ought to pay twice the cost for Lipitor because I believe that. That is a pricing strategy that works for my constituents.
I don't hear anybody saying that, of course. They stand up and say there will be big safety issues, or my colleague who in an earlier speech this
morning said this amendment would allow drugs to be imported into this country from all over the world. I am sorry. That is not right. That is not debating the bill that exists. We are not letting drugs in from all over the world; only from countries that would qualify, that meet the safety standards. These would only be FDA-approved drugs, and they would only be drugs that are retained under a chain of custody, with a pedigree attached to the drug. There are no safety issues, unless one thinks it is unsafe for the pharmaceutical industry not to make the profits they currently make. They perhaps would see some smaller amount of profit if they passed part of the lower cost along to the consumers.
Maybe perhaps the industry could do a little less advertising, just a little less advertising. When you turn on the television at night and you sit down at the end of a long day and you see somebody driving in a convertible with beautiful people and they park under a tree someplace and the Sun is setting, it is a beautiful appearance, and they say: These people are feeling good because of medicine they are taking. You should be asking your doctor whether you might want to take some of that. Get some of this pill. Get some of this medicine. The Sun shines, you get to ride in convertibles, feel better, hang around beautiful people. That is the way advertising works, I guess. I have talked about the purple pill. They say: Ask your doctor, is the purple pill right for you? I don't know what the purple pill is, but I almost feel like asking the doctor, is the purple pill right for me? All of this promotion and advertising, maybe they could back off a little bit of that and reduce the prices to the American consumer. But that is not the strategy.
The strategy in pricing prescription drugs is that almost every country has some kind of limitation on what can be priced with respect to prescription drugs, except the United States of America, and here it is Katie bar the door. Whatever they want. We do have price controls in America. Not imposed by the Government; price controls by the pharmaceutical industry.
Now, this is a fine industry. They have men and women working, trying to unlock the mystery of diseases, trying to find ways to produce medicines that will manage diseases. I admire all of that. I say congratulations to them. But I have a serious disagreement with them on pricing strategy. They are wrong to believe they have to charge the highest prices to American consumers. That is a fact. They are wrong about that. They say: Well, it is the only way we can do research and development. That is not true at all. That is not true. A substantial portion of research and development is done by the taxpayer through the National Institutes of Health and others, and the product of that is turned over to the pharmaceutical manufacturers in terms of intellectual property that is developed and they manufacture drugs. Good for them. I know they also do substantial research on their own and I appreciate that. I don't appreciate the pricing strategy because I think it is unfair to the American consumer.
I don't know how many people I have talked to over the years who have come up to me and told me of their problems: I am 80 years old. I have heart disease. I have diabetes. I take all kinds of medicines, they say, but I can't afford them. The doctor says in Dickinson, ND, one night: I have this welfare woman, and this patient has a pretty aggressive form of breast cancer. He says: You have to be taking this medicine to prevent a reoccurrence when you have surgery. You have to take this medicine to prevent a reoccurrence of breast cancer. She says: What does it cost? He tells her. She says: I can't possibly do that. I can't possibly take that. I don't have the money to do that. I can't buy that medicine. Does this matter? It sure matters to the person whose life is at stake. So price is an issue. It is a big issue.
We have all these anecdotal stories. We know the data. The amendment I have offered will save $50 billion over the next 10 years--$50 billion--most of it to consumers, through lower drug prices. That is a fact. It is not going to, in any way, injure the safety of our prescription drug supply. It will, in fact, enhance it dramatically by establishing pedigrees with respect to the movement of prescription drugs in this country and into this country. That is a fact as well.
I said this morning I hate to lose debates I am not having, and it happens all the time on the floor of the Senate because someone is debating a bill I didn't introduce. They are welcome to do that. If it is attractive, maybe I will introduce it someday, but I am not interested in having a debate with somebody who wants to reformulate the legislation I have introduced. This addresses safety, all of the issues that Donna Shalala, the former Secretary of Health and Human Services raised, so we have incorporated into the bill, Senator Snowe and I and others have incorporated that right into the legislation. So you can't, it seems to me, make a strong case that there are valid safety issues. Again, I don't have problems with those who come to the floor saying let's continue the current system, but I think the current system is wrong. They have a right to advocate for the current system, but the current system is unfair to the American consumer, in my judgment.
I want us to have the opportunity to have good health care and opportunities to be able to access miracle drugs, the opportunity to use those miracle drugs to manage diseases so you can stay out of an acute care bed, which is the most costly health care in our country. But I think it becomes almost a health care rationing in our country when we say we will ignore the situation that exists in this global economy in which the American consumer pays one price and consumers in virtually every other country pay a lower price for their prescription drugs. That, I think, is a horrible disadvantage to consumers in our country.
Some will say: Well, you know now we have a Part D in Medicare which offers prescription drug benefits to senior citizens. Yes, that is true. It does. It has what has been defined around here only in the lexicon of politics as a doughnut hole. Only in the political system could we use those kinds of descriptions, but it has a kind of a circumstance where you reach a certain level and then there is no drug coverage on up from that level. Obviously, the prescription drug Part D for Medicare is helpful to senior citizens; there is no question about that. But it certainly isn't perfect because there is a substantial portion of it in which prescription drugs are not covered. At that point, senior citizens who are reaching the declining years of their lives are finding it very difficult to purchase their prescription drugs.
There is much to say about this issue. I know there are some who worry that offering this amendment on prescription drug pricing to this underlying bill, the FDA Reauthorization Act, injures the underlying bill. I support the underlying bill. I think my colleagues, Senator Kennedy and Senator Enzi, have done some good work. I support that work. Let me say--and I know they know this--it is perfectly appropriate to offer this amendment on this bill because this is where it belongs. This is exactly where you would offer an amendment of this type. No one should express surprise about that.
So we offer the amendment and then we file cloture so we can actually get to a vote on it, and all of a sudden it is like the circus left town. They pull up the tent stakes, fold up the tent, everybody is gone. All of a sudden we can't vote anymore. Why? I guess they are upset that my amendment is now in order to be voted on, and they say: You know, I don't know. We can't do that.
As I have indicated before, I would be willing to offer this amendment in a different form--the same amendment but in a circumstance where I had an agreement to be able to bring it up. Four hours of debate, for example, a couple of amendments that would be offered by the other side, I would have the right to offer second-degree amendments, we would go to a vote and decide whether the Senate will pass a proposition that would give us an opportunity to reimport FDA- approved drugs from other countries that are identical to the other drugs we now purchase, except at a lower price. I would be happy to agree with others who would give us that time and that circumstance so that we could have this vote. I don't need to have the vote today or Monday or Tuesday, if I have an agreement that we will be able to get the vote at some moment.
This vote has been stalled a long while. Senator Frist, when he was the majority leader, standing right back here at the end of this aisle at about 1 o'clock in the morning, in exchange for my releasing a hold on the nomination of Dr. McClellan, indicated to me and then put into the Congressional Record, in the Senate Record, that we were going to have action on this kind of legislation. It turns out it never happened. Senator Frist, of course, is now gone. For whatever reason, it never happened. I spoke at great length to him about these issues, but it didn't happen.
So this is an opportunity for us to advance this legislation, and it is the right place at the right time. This has 33 cosponsors. John McCain is a cosponsor, Ted Kennedy is a cosponsor, Chuck Grassley is a cosponsor, Debbie Stabenow is a cosponsor, and Olympia Snowe is the major cosponsor with me. It is the Dorgan-Snowe bill.
Thirty-three Republicans and Democrats are cosponsors of this legislation. This is exactly where it should have been offered, and it was. Now, all of a sudden, apparently there is some kind of gastric distress because we had a cloture vote and we prevailed in the vote that we say, all right, let's have votes on this amendment. So my hope is that, first, while we might form opinions on this amendment, we could coalesce on a central set of facts that represents what the amendment does and says; and, second, that we can begin, on behalf of the American people, to make some movement here and to begin to have votes.
I also hope that, as I listen to further debate on the floor, we can stick to what the amendment is. It is not to reimport lower priced FDA- approved prescription drugs from everywhere. It limits it to those areas where we have safe and effective supplies of prescription drugs.
I hope we can get all of the facts straight. This amendment has a lot of support. I believe the American people, by 75 to 80 percent, support this. I have seen poll after poll where the American people believe it is wrong and unfair for them to be charged the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Why on Earth should they drive 10 miles between two drugstores--one on the Canadian side and one on the American side of the border--only to find that the same medicine, put in the same bottle, made by the same company, FDA approved, has only one difference--the American consumer gets a chance to pay double. How do you justify that? You don't. We ought to change it.
I yield the floor and suggest the absence of a quorum.