Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition, opposition to this bill. For that very moment, the chairman compliments the gentlelady for having legislation immediately upon a concern. It is so much like an…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition, opposition to this bill.
For that very moment, the chairman compliments the gentlelady for having legislation immediately upon a concern. It is so much like an American. We don't even have the patience to figure out where the problem is but let me tell you about our solution.
Now, what we're supposed to do around this place is do a little homework, do a little investigation, find out what's going on, have the distillation of the facts, find out what the facts are in the first place. Oh, no, no, no. Let's run out there and act like we are ``doing something'' when we don't even know what the heck we're doing. It's the reason the American people get upset with us and they get upset with this institution; especially now, when you get so close to an election, you have to protect and guard yourself against politics over substance.
This bill, by forcing it onto the floor at this moment in time, is exactly that. This bill condones a controversial practice the VA called retained asset, or alliance accounts, for paying Servicemembers' Group Life Insurance, SGLI, proceeds to the families of deceased servicemembers. Now, we all thought that the statute was being followed. It wasn't. Someone years ago down at the VA changed it.
In the Veterans' Affairs Committee, we have not had adequate time to address the issues on this bill. There's no record on which we base and form policy decision or evaluate the views of the life insurance experts. None of us had the opportunity to do that.
One of the executives from Prudential came by the office. We had a very good discussion about relevant concerns I can address a little bit later. The use of these accounts in place of the SGLI lump sum payment called for in the Federal statute is currently the subject of a Federal fraud lawsuit in Boston by five plaintiffs against the Prudential Life Insurance Company. Prudential is the VA's contractor managing the SGLI program and making the payments. New York's attorney general has launched an investigation of Prudential as well.
My colleagues on the committee know next to nothing about a very complex issue, its history, the controversy surrounding it. Indeed, I would like to know more about it myself before having to even vote on it. I'm learning something new almost every day I deal with this issue. The issue requires careful deliberation by the committee. We should not have to base decisions on media reports in Bloomberg or The Washington Post.
I yield to the gentlelady from North Carolina.
Reclaiming my time, when we marked up the bill in the committee, I raised very pertinent issues. I sought to work with the author of the bill. She had no interest in working out an amendment on the language. I thought what would happen is, well, I won't offer the amendment in the committee. We'll work this matter out as we learn more.
The chairman even spoke about this week we were to have done a hearing on this bill. We get notice on Friday that they want to bring it to the floor. We're supposed to be doing a hearing on the bill this week before we bring it to the floor. But what's happening is is this body, called Congress, is in a panic.
I yield to the gentlelady.
Reclaiming my time, the challenge before the body is we now have legislation before us which is on an issue which is now being thrown into the courts, and we've got a statute that's not being followed by the executive branch; and it is completely within the rights of Congress to speak, but we've got to be very careful. Do we understand the scope and issues at hand? I submit we do not, and we are eagerly rushing something onto the floor. Let me go a little bit further.
My colleague Mrs. Halvorson argues that this bill does not change the existing payment authority and does not address the legality of retained asset accounts for SGLI purposes, but I'm also a lawyer, and I respectfully suggest that it may do just that. I am not alone in my view with regard to this concern because I have been talking with other lawyers about my legal analysis of this present challenge.
After the markup, one of the representatives of one of the veterans service organizations, of whom I've had disagreements with over the years, came up to me and told me that he agreed with the concerns. Members of the committee actually regret that I didn't offer the amendment to actually strip the bill, and I guess I never thought that this would actually come to the floor until these matters got addressed.
It's laudable to require the VA to counsel SGLI beneficiaries on their benefits, the payment methods available to them. It's very clear in the statute, very clear already in the statute, but this bill goes a lot further and specifically requires counseling about something the bill euphemistically terms, quote, maintaining the payment, end quote. Now, what is that? What do you mean ``maintaining the payment''? The statute is already very clear what you're to do with the money when it comes to widows and orphans or other beneficiaries. This is a reference to the retained asset account payment method without calling it that.
I think it is reasonable to ask how Congress can tell the VA to counsel anyone about Prudential's practice that may be illegal without well informing them of what Prudential is doing may be illegal and is being challenged in a Federal class action today unless, of course, we change the law and expressly make the practice legal, which Mrs. Halvorson maintains she's not doing. But somehow, I don't think that full disclosure is going to occur.
I completely understand how my colleagues might find all this rather confusing, and I don't find it funny either.
I'm also confused by Mr. Chairman's report statement after the Bloomberg article was released that he was outraged, and the VA should demand answers. Did we get answers, and now everything is all right? Did the VA's self-investigation resolve everything?
The White House has also made a statement, calling this an unacceptable business practice. Have the unacceptable business practices been identified? Have they been stopped? Has something changed, and now Congress should mandate that the VA give specific counseling on the ``outrageous'' and the ``unacceptable'' business practice? That's what this legislation does.
Mr. Speaker, this complex issue is directly before Congress in the form of H.R. 5993, as amended. We should not be effectively ratifying this practice by requiring the VA to counsel beneficiaries about it. Instead, we should give careful scrutiny and make sure we understand it sufficiently to decide whether to expressly authorize it in the law for the future. Our servicemembers and veterans and their families in the VA, Prudential, and life insurance experts should all have an opportunity to weigh in on the record. I want to make sure that it's clear and that I'm not taking a position for or against the practice of retained asset accounts.
The real problem, as I see it, is that the retained asset accounts now, as they have been questioned, are receiving scrutiny and appear not to match the payment authorized in the United States Code. So when you pull out the United States Code--and we're talking about the present statute--so you turn to title 38, section 1790, and then you turn to (d). It says: ``The member may elect settlement of an insurance under this subchapter either in lump sum or in 36 equal monthly installments.'' It doesn't say anything in the statute about retained asset accounts. Now, why is that? Go back to legislative history. When this statute was written back in the mid-1960s, there as no such thing as a retained asset account.
So what has changed? There is a commonly accepted business practice in America with regard to retained asset accounts. Now, in the latter part of the 1990s, the VA struck an agreement with Prudential then to adopt that business practice. But what they did is they adopted a business practice that is contradictory to the United States Code, the statute. So this bill before us is about to say, the VA should provide counsel to the beneficiaries about a business practice that is not even legal. That's like saying,
Okay, in title 10, it is illegal to smoke marijuana, but in another statute Congress is going to provide counseling on the proper use of an illegal substance. And you say, Steve that's crazy. You are absolutely right, that's crazy, and that's why this legislation before us today is crazy. We should not be saying we're going to provide counseling with regard to some agreement that the executive branch struck that's in contradiction to the statute.
Now, you've got the VA and Prudential. Immediately they do a powwow. Oh, my gosh, we've got a problem. We've got to try to define this. The White House has made a statement. Ooh, it says ``unacceptable.'' We've got to figure out--come together and strike an agreement.
This is Groundhog Day, Mr. Speaker. The agreement that the executive branch struck with an insurance company back in the latter part of the 1990s was not authorized for them to do because the statute says how SGLI payments are to go directly to beneficiaries. It doesn't say you can do three or four other types of payment schedules. It only says two of them. You either give them a lump sum or you do 36 monthly installments. It's very clear.
So this agreement is just as worthless as the agreement they struck in the 1990s when it comes to the law. I guess maybe it makes them feel better. Maybe they hope that it takes the heat off. This thing, this agreement is about politics, it is about substance and legality, and it is about public relations. But if you really want it to be about the law, then what we should do is look at the law; and we need to say, Okay, then maybe you need to amend the Code. If you have to amend the Code to say, We want to permit retained asset accounts, then that is, in fact, what we should be doing.
U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) FACT SHEET
Actions for Improving the Alliance Account Program, September 13, 2010
VA takes seriously the concerns raised regarding the
Alliance Accounts (AA) and has reviewed the program to ensure
that beneficiaries are protected, being treated fairly, and
accorded the utmost care and respect. A full explanation of
terms up-front, education about options, and financial
counseling to assist in decision making will provide the
transparency that will continue to ensure confidence in this
important program.
By the end of October, 2010, VA will make the following
modifications to ensure:
All benefits due under Servicemembers' Group Life Insurance
(SGLI) or Veterans' Group Life Insurance (VGLI) policies are
received by the beneficiaries in a secure, timely manner.
Beneficiaries are enabled in making deliberate and
responsible decisions with the assets they receive.
Beneficiaries making financial decisions have been educated
and assisted in understanding the complex issues before them.
They will be made comfortable in competently managing
benefits in accordance with their own time lines.
Options available to the beneficiaries will be clear,
competitive, and at no cost to the beneficiary.
The entire settlement process is dignified and respectful
of the individuals involved.
The specific approaches that VA, working in consultation
with other Agencies, has determined it will pursue in the
near term are:
VA will provide better clarity of payment options by using
a new Claim Form that requires the beneficiary to
affirmatively choose one of three clear payment options:
Lump Sum Alliance Account (Retained Asset Account).
Lump Sum Payment--Paid out in full via a check sent to the
beneficiary. VA is exploring Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT).
36 Monthly Installments--Paid out in full via monthly
installments, as mandated by law, sent to the beneficiary
(this three year payout option has always been available to
beneficiaries).
If the beneficiary does not select an option, the SGLI
Program will utilize the AA. The AA provides immediate access
to funds, while permitting beneficiaries the time necessary
to study their options and make deliberate, responsible
financial decisions.
In addition: A VA-supplied letter will be enclosed with
every Claim Form and every AA Kit that will explain in a
clear and complete manner:
That the insurance proceeds have been deposited into an
interest bearing account at rates competitive with similar
types of ``demand accounts'' (e.g., checking, money market,
etc.).
The current interest rate and the fact that the interest
rate may vary over time.
That the beneficiary can immediately write a ``check'' for
the entire payment or any lesser amount.
That AA funds are retained by Prudential until paid out.
That while AA is not FDIC insured; it is backed by
Prudential and State Guaranty Associations. The National
Association of Insurance Commissioners has established the
following Web site for additional consumer information:
http://www.naic.org/consumer_
military insurance.htm
That free, professional independent financial counseling is
available to all beneficiaries for a period of two years or
as long as they have funds remaining in their AA.
VA will also take the following actions:
VA will require Prudential to conduct a follow up contact
with beneficiaries whose accounts remain open after six
months to confirm beneficiary understands the terms of the
account.
All SGLI/VGLI related information, including FAQ's, Web
site information, handbooks, etc. will be modified to clearly
and completely explain all aspects of the AA and all options
available to the beneficiary.
VA will clearly designate the source of correspondence by
removing the SGLI seal from all ``checks'', forms, and
correspondence and replacing it to show that it is from
Prudential, with the subtitle of ``Office of Servicemembers'
Group Life Insurance''.
VA will identify additional opportunities to encourage
beneficiaries to use the free financial counseling service.
VA will, in coordination with DoD, improve support to
Casualty Assistant Officers and Transition Assistance Program
(TAP) Personnel by helping to prepare additional training
materials and instruction.
VA continues to carefully monitor this program and remains
committed to making any improvements necessary to ensure that
Servicemember and Veteran beneficiaries are well-protected.
I reserve the balance of my time.
September 13, 2010.
I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Here is our challenge. I don't know what about these other groups, Mr. Chairman, that you have had a chance to talk to. I just spoke to the new chairman of the American Legion.
I am going to take all of it. I will even take your time, if you will give it to me.
You know, you can stand up and say, Well, this veterans group supports it, and this one doesn't. You cited the American Legion. I just spoke to a brand-new commander of the American Legion who supports my position, so I don't know what the disconnect is.
I can assure you, now that I am speaking about the fact that there is a legal problem, the fact that I informed the executive of Prudential with regard to this way forward that you have signed with the VA does not get you out of the hot water that you are in. There is a legal problem here. And the four corners of the document that we have before us is actually legislation that uses this clever and artful language about maintaining the lump sum
payment. What do you mean, ``maintaining the lump sum payment''? It's almost like a code word for saying, We want to maintain our current business practice of the retained asset account because that's what the way forward agreement is. It's very clever. This is very wrong.
Here is what we ought to do, Mr. Speaker. I have never done this before on the House floor with anyone in my 18 years, but I am going to ask this of Chairman Filner: Would the gentleman ask that this legislation be pulled from the floor at this time so we may work out the details rather than having this heated debate? You said that you would have a hearing on it. Let's go have a hearing. Let's work this out with our leading experts, and let's bring a work product to the floor that we can be proud of. And I want to ask the gentleman if he would withdraw this legislation.
I yield to the gentleman.
Well, all right. Reclaiming my time, this was a very good moment for bipartisanship, to actually bring a work product to the floor that we could all agree on. And I am greatly disappointed, Bob, that you made that judgment call. But this is not right. This isn't right at all.
The suspension calendar, Mr. Speaker, is supposed to be for legislation that is noncontroversial. It is supposed to be for legislation that the parties have worked out in a collegial manner, not to take something for which there is utter and complete disagreement, not to take something that there have been no hearings on, not to take an issue that it now finds itself in attorney generals' investigations and class action lawsuits, and we are just going to, like, bring it to the floor, even though we are going to pass a statute that is in complete contradiction of an existing statute. What are we doing?
I mean, this is really a time-out moment here. This is a time-out moment, Mr. Speaker. And it is very, very bothersome to me that something like this would be placed on the suspension calendar, especially when this was the week in which we were supposed to be holding hearings on it.
I know, Mr. Speaker, that you are anxious to get out of here and you want us to adjourn for an election, but don't take legislation to the floor that is not properly prepared for the floor. And you have permitted that to occur, and that is not right. It is wrong, in my book.
But you are the majority, and you have actually been able to show that you can do as you please, and the rules don't always matter, I guess, around here.
But I want the Record to reflect my views on what is happening here. Also, I will file additional views with the bill and the report to explain in greater detail the legality of what I feel that we are facing, and I will do everything in my power to ensure that this bill does not become law until it is fixed.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.