Madam President, parliamentary inquiry: What is before the Senate at the present time? Madam President, I have been, for some time, trying to bring up an amendment that has been filed which deals…
Madam President, parliamentary inquiry: What is before the Senate at the present time?
Madam President, I have been, for some time, trying to bring up an amendment that has been filed which deals with a kind of, some might say, a little-known part of the insurance industry, called indexed annuities.
A little bit of background. Indexed annuities have been sold for some time. They are an annuity that people would buy, and there is an upside limit. In other words, if the S&P index goes up by, let's say, 500 percent, the holder of the annuity does not get all of that 500 percent; the insurance company gets a big portion of that. But in exchange for that, there is no downside risk. The holder of that annuity, if the S&P goes down 500 percent, doesn't lose anything if held to its term. It has been a very valuable instrument for a lot of people to have these indexed annuities.
During the recent recession of 2008 and 2009, no one lost any capital in any of their indexed annuities based on the stock market going down. They lost nothing because they had that downside protection. That was not true of other instruments, obviously. If you had a security, obviously, you lost a lot of money in the downturn of the stock market. Owners of the indexed annuities didn't lose any principal whatsoever when they held it to term. That is the value of these indexed annuities.
Two years ago in the waning days of the last administration, the Securities and Exchange Commission decided they wanted to have jurisdiction over these. There had been some abuses by sellers of indexed annuities sold to individuals--mostly elderly individuals--when it was not the best investment for them. They were sold an annuity instrument that was not in their best interest.
The SEC, under Chairman Cox, decided they were going to take jurisdiction of this. They were going to have this within their jurisdiction. It was a divided vote at the SEC as to whether they would do this, but the vote was in favor, so the SEC pulled this under their umbrella. The SEC was taken to court by certain companies. It went to the district court and then it was appealed to the circuit court of appeals in the District of Columbia.
The circuit court of appeals decided this on July 21, 2009, not even 1 year ago.
The circuit court said:
We hold that the Commission's consideration--
That is the Securities and Exchange Commission, SEC--
We hold that the Commission's consideration of the effect
of Rule 151A--
That was the rule that would govern the indexed annuities over which the SEC now wants to have jurisdiction, which they never had before.
We hold that the Commission's consideration of the effect
of Rule 151A on efficiency, competition, and capital
formation was arbitrary and capricious.
``Arbitrary and capricious,'' held by the circuit court.
What did the circuit court say? They said: We remand this. Having determined that their analysis is lacking, ``we conclude that this matter should be remanded to the SEC to address the deficiencies with its 2(b) analysis.''
It is back at the SEC. The SEC could at some point jiggle things around and decide, yes, now they have a better analysis and now they have jurisdiction. They will be taken to court again, and this will go on and on. In the meantime, the status of the companies selling indexed annuities, are in limbo.
Again, if someone says: We had some problems with this in the past, I understand that. But the insurance commissioners who have jurisdiction over insurance fix the problems. In fact, the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, in a letter to Senator Dodd, the chairman of the committee, dated April 30, basically points out what they have done to fix this problem.
The insurance commissioners said: Yes, there is a problem. Let's get together. Let's change the rules and regulations under which these are sold. And they did.
Some might say: Why shouldn't we give this to the SEC? Is the SEC the final and best word and the best protector of consumers, I ask you? Is the SEC the best protector of consumers in this country when it comes to financial instruments? Ask Bernie Madoff's customers.
Did we say because of Bernie Madoff and all the money he cheated and stole from people--and he was under the jurisdiction of the SEC--we have to take that jurisdiction away from the SEC now and give it to somebody else? No. We said: SEC, change your policies and change your regulations so a Bernie Madoff cannot happen again. That is what we are doing.
These indexed annuities have always been insurance products, governed by the insurance commissioners in each State and the National Association of Insurance Commissioners. If there was a problem, it went to them. They addressed the problem. They fixed it. We have a new regulatory regime in which indexed annuities can be sold so the problems that occurred in the past will not happen again. Will there be violations? Yes, but now there are strong enforced regulatory rules in place.
The SEC wants the oversight shared. But, two regulators in conflict create problems and considerable costs.
I am not one who says to protect the consumer against everything we have to give it to the SEC. The SEC did a lousy job--a lousy job--in protecting consumers who held securities. I mean stocks, securities. Not one person who had an indexed annuity lost one single dime in the downturn in 2008, 2009. We cannot say that about Bernie Madoff's accounts, can we?
I have been trying to get my amendment up to basically say: Look, the SEC does not have jurisdiction right now over these insurance instruments--that is what they principally are, insurance instruments. We left insurance to the States. If the SEC is able to grab hold of this kind of an instrument, what is to keep them from whole life? Now we are going to take over whole life insurance policies, too, because we have had problems in whole life policies, too and the value of their cash value can change with the markets, I say to my colleagues. Insurance
commissioners keep track of this, they strengthened their regulation. They change their rules and regulations to cover these kinds of happenings.
Unless we are to the point where we are saying we are going to have federal regulation of insurance in America, if we are there, OK. I would like to see that vote happen. This is one more overreaching by a Federal department to gain jurisdiction over an area of State regulation over which they have never had jurisdiction. SEC has never had jurisdiction, and the circuit court said the analysis on which they reached their basis to grab this was ``arbitrary and capricious.''
I have an amendment, amendment No. 3920, at the desk. It has broad cosponsorship on both sides of the aisle--Democrats, Republicans, conservatives, liberals, up and down--to say, no, this ought to stay with the insurance commissioners because it is, in its essence, an insurance product.
The new rules that have been promulgated by the insurance commissioners basically cover the problems that happened in the past. The rules require certain amounts of liquidity and take into account the age of the consumer. That was the problem in the past. They were selling these to people who were way too old who would not live long enough to get their annuities. They look at the tax status, the financial objectives of the consumer, and whether this is some kind of churning policies. These are all new regulations instituted by the insurance commissioners to answer a problem that came up because of, let's face it, some agents out there who were taking advantage of elderly people.
There are always going to be some bad actors. I do not care if it is under SEC or the insurance commissioners, there is always going to be someone trying to game the system. This has always been under the insurance commissioners' jurisdictions. They have taken these steps.
We have a letter from the AARP saying they were opposed to my amendment. I have a great deal of respect for the AARP. I do a lot of work with them. More often than not, they do good things. But here is an article from the April 10, 2007, New York Times, titled ``Income for Life? Sounds Good, But Do Your Homework.''
It points out that AARP has teamed up with New York Life Insurance to--guess what--to sell annuities. I detect, I smell a little bit of a flavor of a conflict of interest.
Oh, the AARP does not want the indexed annuities sold out there. They want the elderly to buy their annuities. I don't care. Fine. If they want to be in the business of selling annuities, I don't care if AARP does that. But to send out a letter dated May 19 to the chairman of the Banking Committee talking about how bad my amendment is--did they say in their letter to the chairman of the committee, in all due candor, the AARP has joined with New York Life Insurance to sell annuities? No, they did not say that at all. So there is a little hint of a conflict of interest.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record two items: a letter from AARP dated May 19 to the Honorable Christopher Dodd; and immediately following that, an article from the New York Times dated April 10, 2007.
Madam President, I also ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record a letter dated April 30 from the National Association of Insurance Commissioners.
Madam President, AARP does not come to this in a neutral position, not a neutral position at all. They have their own annuities, but they are not indexed annuities. With their product. When the downturn comes, people can lose. People can lose money in annuities but not in indexed annuities if held to term. They do not get the upside; the insurance companies get that. But they are protected. If the market goes down, they lose none of their annuity. That is exactly what happened in the last downturn.
I would like to call up my amendment, but I guess I am precluded from doing so. I was waiting for the ranking member to come back before I made a request. I was waiting for the ranking member to come back because I had been discussing this with him. I know we are going out at 10:30; is that right, Madam President?
What time does the Senate reconvene?
Has there been a consent agreement entered as to a certain time for a vote on cloture?
Madam President, I am going to ask unanimous consent to call up my amendment.
I ask unanimous consent to set aside the pending amendment and to call up my amendment No. 3920.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent then to call up my amendment No. 3920, with 20 minutes evenly divided, with a vote on the amendment prior to the cloture vote.
Madam President, the Senator from Hawaii objects to even having a vote on this amendment. I can see the Senator wanting to object to the unanimous-consent request. I just asked unanimous consent to have a vote on the amendment, and the Senator from Hawaii objects to even having an up-or-down vote. I wish the Senator would explain why he is afraid to have an up-or-down vote. That is just what I asked for. Isn't that what the Senate is for, to try to vote on issues?
I want the record to show that only one person objected to having a vote on this amendment, and that is my friend from Hawaii--and he is my friend--to say we cannot even have a vote. I did not hear any objection from the Republican side or anybody else. All I ask for is an up-or- down vote.
Why does the Senator from Hawaii not even want an up-or-down vote on this amendment?
I yield the floor.