Mr. President, I am not going to speak about the amendment I plan to offer in the next hour or so. But I really have to respond to my friend, Senator Ensign. Ironically, he and I are offering an…
Mr. President, I am not going to speak about the amendment I plan to offer in the next hour or so. But I really have to respond to my friend, Senator Ensign. Ironically, he and I are offering an amendment together.
I have heard now several of my Republican friends come to the floor with the same comments over and over and over again: Don't rush this bill. Well, if you came from my State--and I was a little shocked to hear Senator Ensign because his State is going through a terrible time--where we have a 9.2-percent unemployment rate and jobs being lost every minute, maybe you should look inside yourself and roll up your sleeves and get to work with us.
I find it extraordinary that after 8 long years of Republican rule around here, where we saw the debt go from $5 trillion to $10 trillion, and not a word from the other side about fiscal responsibility, with tax cut after tax cut to the wealthiest few, an unlimited checkbook for Iraq--no problem then. We did not hear speeches about the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren. Oh, no. All of a sudden, when the middle class is hurting, when the working poor are hurting, when people are losing their homes--not the richest of the rich; they are fine; they do not have mortgages--average families, suddenly my friends on the other side come out with their charts: Oh, my goodness, a trillion dollars of spending.
Well, we had a Presidential election about this issue, and I think it is safe to say the reason the results were as they were is because of this economy. I do not think there is any pundit or even anyone in the Senate who would argue otherwise. Remember the turning point, when the Republicans said: The fundamentals of our economy are strong? Well, maybe they still feel that way. Why don't they come out and say that? They do not want to say that because it is so obviously ridiculous when we are losing 500,000 jobs a month. We have lost more jobs in the last 2 months than there are people who live in the State of Delaware. This is where we are. So instead of working together, our friends on the other side come out, one after the other, with the same talking points: The Democrats are irresponsible. Well, I ask: Who is irresponsible? People who want to work to ease the pain of what is happening in our country or people who brought us to this point, giving tax cuts to the millionaires and the billionaires, and a war we never should have fought, and now they find their fiscal soul.
I am so disappointed. We have a President who has reached out to the other side, and all we get are speeches from talking points about why we shouldn't act now. I will tell my colleagues, if this gets away from us, if we can't get the votes we need--we just need a couple of our friends on the other side of the aisle--then this is going to be the party of Herbert Hoover over there all over again, and people will come out in the streets, as they did during the Great Depression and said things about Herbert Hoover that I can't repeat on this floor. People are hurting. They are two paychecks away from losing their homes. In some communities in my State, one in four homes is underwater and is being foreclosed.
Now, is this bill perfect? Absolutely not. There are things in this bill I
would vote to take out; there are a handful of things, a small percentage I would vote to take out. So if you want to work with us on that, fine. But to come down to this floor and suggest that we are rushing through an emergency bill and that is wrong--it seems to me to be coming from a list of talking points that don't mesh with reality. So I hope we can change the tone of this debate.
The American people spoke out in November, and my friends on the other side are becoming the party of no: No, we can't do anything. No. And what do they come up with? Tax cuts for the wealthy again. That is what got us in this fiscal mess in the first place. We want to give tax cuts, as we do in this bill, to the middle class, to the working poor.
At this point, I would just say to my friends, look into your heart, look into your soul, and look at reality.
I wish to say to my friend Senator Mikulski that I am proud to support her amendment.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I have an amendment at the desk, amendment No. 112, and I ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the amendment be considered as read.
Mr. President, I am pleased to offer this amendment on behalf of myself and Senator Ensign. We
have a number of cosponsors, so this is truly a bipartisan amendment, and I think it is worthy of everyone's consideration.
It is pretty simple what this amendment would accomplish. It provides an incentive for companies to bring back foreign earnings into the United States, and those foreign earnings must be invested in our U.S. economic recovery.
Right now there is about $800 billion sitting offshore because companies do not want to bring it in because it would be taxed at a 35- percent rate. This means, first and foremost, if you think about it, that our banks do not have any of these funds at a time when they are desperate for capital. This means that at a time that we want to inject dollars into this economy, those dollars are sitting offshore.
Now, we tried this once before. You are going to hear Senator Levin and others attack us for that last attempt. So to preempt that attack-- I will have more to say about it later--I wish to show you what actually occurred last time that we did this.
We saw in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, before we passed our repatriation, all of these dollars, almost more than $350 billion, sitting offshore, not doing the American economy any good. When we passed this, those funds came back.
Now, what you are going to hear from some of my colleagues is that some of the companies did not live up to the spirit of the amendment. The spirit of the amendment was to bring the money home and invest it here at home in job-producing activity.
It is true. That is why, in this amendment we are offering, we have tightened the strings of what the companies can do, and we have required an audit of each and every company that takes this particular tax break. We have said that you only can use these funds to create or retain jobs, to make capital improvements in your business, to buy other businesses that will otherwise fail, to invest in clean technology.
We do not allow these companies to use any of these funds for golden parachutes or high CEO pay. We do not allow these funds to be used for dividends. We do not allow these funds to be used to buy stocks. Now, I can tell you a lot of the companies would like to see fewer strings. But Senator Ensign and I have agreed, in order to pass this, we are going to put some tough strings on it. That is what we have done.
Now, I do not have to go through the litany of job losses we have seen in our great Nation. Last month, there were 500,000 jobs lost. Laura Tyson, former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Clinton, says:
In the current crisis, even credit-worthy and profitable
companies face liquidity and credit constraints.
And she said, in essence, that the repatriation policies provide a short-run stimulus.
People, if you vote against this, know you are voting against a stimulus because those funds will be available to support the domestic operations of U.S. companies. If you do not want to listen to Laura Tyson, listen to Robert Shapiro, chairman of Sonecon, former Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under Bill Clinton. See what he says:
$421 billion in foreign-sourced income currently held
abroad could be repatriated. We project that nearly $97
billion of the $421 billion would go to retaining or creating
employment.
And he goes on to say:
Additional funds used for employment could save or create
an estimated 2.6 million jobs, including 2.1 million jobs in
manufacturing.
That is a Democratic economist. Now, last time, everyone said: Oh, nothing is going to come back in. No taxes will be paid to the Government. That was wrong. As a result of this repatriation in 2004, $18 billion in revenue was received by the U.S. Treasury, six times what some experts predicted.
Now, 62 percent of the funds were spent on worker hiring and training, R&D, and capital investments. You are going to hear horror stories, and I say to my cosponsor from Nevada, you are going to hear a litany of horror stories.
Well, I am going to tell some of the good stories. Oracle, a California high-tech company, used the funds repatriated in 2004 to outbid foreign competitors to acquire two U.S. companies--one in California, the other in Minnesota, and to keep the companies and their intellectual property in the United States. Oracle has increased jobs at both firms.
Intel, another California company, used repatriated funds to help build new fabrication plants. Now, some of the things you are going to hear I do not like to hear. I do not like that some companies did not act in the spirit of the amendment. But the amendment was not tightly drawn.
Let me say, loudly and clearly, if any company or any individual in the United States of America does not live up to the law, they should be gone after by the IRS and have to pay their back taxes. That is what is going to happen to companies that disobey this law. That is clear in our amendment.
I tell you what we do, we guarantee that there will be an audit of these companies. Now, I would say to any of my colleagues who oppose it, show another case where we pass a tax break and we require every company that takes advantage of it to get audited. As a matter of fact, I think it is a fantastic precedent to set around here, so maybe Chairman Levin does not have to hold hearings if the IRS did its job and go after the bad apples.
We address the issue of fungibility. We require that foreign funds must be spent in addition to the current spending level, not to displace money. We require that. We assure transparency and accountability.
I am proud that Senators Ensign, Bayh, Specter and Inhofe and I have come together across party lines. I am proud. This is a good amendment. I would ask my friends, where we have an opportunity such as this in the current environment, to inject $300, $400, $500, $600, up to $800 billion into this economy.
Now, people are going to say it costs money. Joint Tax says it is a few billion dollars over the first couple of years. Let me say, only in the Government would there be a cost of something that actually increases revenue. Those revenues were not coming in. We have proven it. These revenues sat out there all these years until we passed the bill. Then they came home and they paid their taxes.
I believe it brought in 16 billion--between 16 and 18 billion came into the Federal Government. So this amendment means job creation, it means funding for the banks that need capital injection. I am tired of voting for public money to fund banks. I did it. It was tough. Taxpayer money. I wish to see some of this money that is sitting out there get injected into the banks.
You are going to hear horror stories, you are going to hear populist arguments. I would put my populism to the test. I do not stand here every day and endorse tax breaks. I am very cautious. But common sense says, you have hundreds of billions of dollars sitting offshore, we are not being paid taxes on the money.
They will pay taxes on the money when it comes in. We have heavy strings attached. We require an audit. We have transparency attached. We have support from the National Taxpayers Union, from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, we have support from industry. They very much would like to bring this back but do not want to bring it back in a circumstance where they are so heavily taxed.
So we have a choice: We can walk away from this amendment and we can let $800 billion sit offshore or we can learn from our experience the last time, where we did take in $18 billion into the Treasury.
But no question, we could have had some tighter strings. Senator Ensign, I have to thank him, because I am sure he had some other ideas for some of the uses, and I prevailed upon him. I said: Let's allow for a few uses.
I see that the Senator from New Hampshire is here. I wanted to close right now in this argument by telling you the uses that would be allowed because I think those are very important.
Here is the chart, folks. I ask Senator Shaheen to take a look at this: These are the sole permitted uses of repatriated funds. I hope my colleagues who stand and bash this tell me why these are not good.
Why is it not good to hire workers and train them? Why is it not good to do more research and development? Why is it not good to do capital improvements which will put people to
work? Why is it not good to acquire distressed businesses to avoid layoffs, shutdowns or bankruptcy? Why is not good to allow these funds to be used for clean energy initiatives?
Now, I ask that rhetorically. Maybe the answer comes back, we do not trust these companies. Well, let me tell you, we have added an audit. Every company that does this has to be audited by the IRS. It is automatic. So I am very pleased to present this admendment tonight. I am looking forward to hearing from Senator Ensign. I know we have a debate for which we will stick around, but at this point I will yield the floor.
Will my colleague yield?
I have been advised by my staff that Joint Tax today told us that in the first 2 years we will get revenues of $5 billion. Then they go off and speculate as to what is going to happen in 2017. So we can tell our friends here, in the first 2 years, Joint Tax tells us we are going to gain $5 billion. Obviously, they are off on that. We got $16 billion the last time. But even they are saying in the early years we gain revenue. I wanted to make sure my friend knew that.
Before the distinguished chairman of the committee might leave the floor, he said some things that are not true, so I wish to point out to him that I am holding in my hand a report done by Robert J. Shapiro and Aparna Mathur. Robert Shapiro was a former Under Secretary of Commerce for Economic Affairs under Bill Clinton. He says that almost 2 million jobs were created the last time we brought the money home.
Let's take a look at that chart again, because I think it is worth looking at. He shows where they were created. Job creation or retention: 1.6 million manufacturing. They either retained it or created it. He goes through how many of them were food industry, paper, chemical.
I can tell you about Oracle, which was stated by my distinguished cosponsor, that Oracle went in and bought companies that were going downhill and were going to be bought up by a foreign company and saved those jobs. I can tell you, because we have the list of things that were done. We will take a look at Cisco.
And then my friend, the chairman of the committee, talks about these companies as if they are some terrible people. Cisco Systems, we should be proud of Cisco Systems. Intel, we should be proud of these companies. Cisco brought back $1.2 billion in 2004. They were right here. And it was used to create 1,200 R&D engineering jobs in the United States. Cisco says they have added 8,500 jobs in the United States, excluding employees added through acquisitions.
So my friends who are opposing this are going to stand up and throw out the horror stories and numbers. We have the studies. It doesn't take a degree--although I have one--in economics to understand that if money is sitting offshore and it isn't coming in in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and then in 2005, it jumps up and comes in, gives $18 billion to the Treasury, and according to Robert Shapiro and Laura Tyson, we see millions of jobs saved, then you can stand up and demagog this thing to death. I could do it. They are going to demagog this to death. But I have the facts.
I also want to say that there were abuses the last time. The spirit of the law was not followed. The law was weak. That is why this is a very strong amendment. We tie down what they can spend. They have to have maintenance of effort. And any company that does this must be audited. It is in there. You show me another amendment that gives a tax break that does that kind of due diligence.
My friend can stand up there and say it didn't work the last time and it won't work this time. We have evidence to the contrary. We know what happened. Even Joint Tax says in the first 2 years we are going to make $5 billion. The whole notion that these companies are going to bring the money in out of the goodness of their hearts, I wish they would. Believe me, I wish they would. So you will hear more of this attack, and I hope you will put it into perspective, because the facts are otherwise.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I love this debate and I love my colleague from North Dakota. I am going to start off by saying I have a 9.2- percent unemployment rate in my State. People are struggling and suffering. That is why I support this amendment, which I was proud to work on with Senator Ensign, Senator Bayh, and Senator Specter.
First, my friend has it wrong. He has it absolutely wrong. We are bringing money home to America. We are not sending money out. It is already gone. Look what happened the last time we did this. The money came home. Now, you can argue theoretically in any way you want, but we have the proof. Here it is. We passed a law in 2004 and this money came home. I say to my friend from Michigan, eloquent on the point of defending the Joint Tax Committee--and I ask my friend from Nevada to back me up on this point. I say to my friend from Michigan, if I can get his attention, that we can worship at the altar of the Joint Tax Committee. I don't. I don't because they were wrong. They were wrong. It is not a theoretical argument. They were wrong.
Yes.
I was aware. The Senator is absolutely right. They said it would cost $3 billion from the Treasury and, in essence, $16 billion was added to the Treasury, and even now they are saying over the first 2 years there will be $5 billion added to the Treasury. My friends don't talk about that; they talk about the long range.
I also say to my friends who oppose us so vociferously, on the other side of this, you will find very respected economists who believe that the Boxer-Ensign-Bayh-Specter amendment
makes sense. They are Alan Sinai--I don't know how my friend says he backtracked. He said this in December. Maybe he backtracked in the last 2 weeks. In December, he said that repatriation has spurred $280 billion in capital investments over a 5-year period, increased R&D development by $7 billion a year for 5 years, increased Federal revenue by $82 billion, and will create or save up to 425,000 jobs by 2012.
Joint Tax ought to backtrack. They were flat wrong. They said maybe $200 billion will come back, and $360 billion came back. They said we would lose money. We wound up with $16 billion added to the Treasury. So it is very easy to demagog. It is very easy. But my friend has it wrong.
Then my friend says that effectively the corporate rate is only 17 percent. Well, if that is true, then this is less of a tax break than he is making it out to be. You cannot have it both ways and say, look at this giant tax break and then say the effective rate is 17 percent. I suggest to my friend, as he went through the phone book in his State, thank goodness, because of the work of this Congress, people in the $40,000 to $50,000 range don't pay any taxes.
I will tell you something. I am rarely standing up here and saying a tax cut to the business community is stimulative. But this one is, because it was stimulative. We have it right here from Robert Shapiro, who worked for Bill Clinton. He said that jobs saved or created were 1.6 million from the last tax break. So my friends come here and quote Joint Tax as if we have to say they are right, when they were wrong-- just wrong--wrong on estimating what would come back, wrong on estimating what would come into the Treasury. If you read these economists, whom I have heard colleagues on this side quote constantly--Laura Tyson, Alan Sinai, and Robert Shapiro--they are saying how to stimulate the economy, and this is one way to do it. To stand up here and be against it is fine. I don't mind that one bit. But to stand up here and be against it because you were for the fact that there are corporations that have earnings offshore, I abhor that, too. I want to bring them home. No matter what my colleagues say, guess what. This is a free marketplace, and they don't have to and they won't unless they have an incentive. That is a fact. We may wish it to be another way.
Look at this chart. Year after year after year, very little came back. When we took action, all of this came back. The reports are in from these economists--and most happen to be Democrats--that it worked.
My friend is so right to ask that. Sometimes debates are difficult to follow. They are confusing and complicated. This is not complicated. We know the way the corporations were acting before, and we know what happened when we took this chance. We got arguments from people here that money won't come back and it will not be spent here. By the way, this is a tight bill. My friend from Michigan argues that we don't force the companies to spend the money. We don't force them to spend the money. I don't even think that is constitutional. But I have to tell you this: Even if the money sat in American banks, I say to my friend from Nevada, who is my pal on this one, wouldn't that be in and of itself a reason to do this? We are breaking the backs of taxpayers to take $770 billion, I think it is, through TARP to capitalize our banks. As my friend says, if they don't spend the money right away, they let it sit in these banks that need this capital and, hopefully, they will start lending, which we hope will happen so we can get back to an orderly market. It will make the banks healthier.
My view is that this year there is more of a reason to do it than ever before--the terrible recession. We have a tight bill that will only allow this tax break to be utilized if the money is used to create jobs, where they bring the money home. That is it. Otherwise, they cannot get the break. We have a forced audit in here, and I defy my friends to find another piece of legislation that has such an audit--a forced audit.
I am happy to, yes.
Mr. President, that is right. My understanding is they were way off by more than $100 billion. So for us to say: Oh, my God, don't vote for the Boxer-Ensign amendment because Joint Tax says A, B, and C, I say to my friend, Joint Tax has been so out to lunch on this. They didn't even come close to what happened.
We can have lots of arguments, but I can tell you this: Nobody gains in America when that money sits offshore. They did not gain in 1997, 1998, 1999, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2004. We had Oracle buying companies that were failing. We had Cisco Systems expanding. Yes, we know there were job layoffs. Of course, we know that. If Pfizer has a problem-- let's just say they have a drug on the market that is causing a problem, they are going to lay off people. They are going to have problems.
We do not allow funds to be used for dividends. We do not allow funds to be used for any kind of golden parachutes or CEO pay. We do not allow buybacks of stock. We tighten it up very much.
I hope we can get to the 60 votes. I am very confident we will get a majority. I hope we get to the 60 votes. It sends a good message. The message is we do not like money sitting offshore. We want to bring it home and help the banks. We want to bring it home and help the workers. We want to bring it home and invest it in America. That is why it is called repatriation. You can get up and you can make every argument in the book, but when you do, I think you have to explain to people why economists such as Laura Tyson, Allen Sinai, Robert Shapiro are very clear, why they say that Joint Tax was off, why they say that even the last bill that was not as strong as this actually created and saved jobs, and why they predict that if we do this, it will stimulate the economy.
I know my friends would like to have a time agreement. I have no problem with that whatsoever. If there is to be a time agreement, Senator Ensign and I are very happy to agree to it as long as we have full measure to respond to speakers.
Reserving the right to object, I don't understand what we are doing.
I would agree to that, happily, if we can have 1 minute prior to the vote to restate.
I yield to Senator Ensign for as much time as he may consume.
Mr. President, can you tell me how much time remains on each side?
Mr. President, if you could tell me when I use 5 minutes, please.
Mr. President, people stand and argue against this amendment, and they say things that are not factual. They have every right to say it. I protect and defend their right to say it, but they are not factual.
Now, Senator Kerry said there is no proof that any jobs were created. Well, Allen Sinai, Robert Schapiro, and Laura Tyson have all said jobs were created and jobs will be created. Senator Kerry said, in his forceful argument against this amendment, that companies simply didn't do anything, and now if they do R&D it will simply replace what R&D they were going to do. We don't allow this to happen. It has to be new spending, maintenance of effort must continue.
I want to call to my colleagues' attention to the report that was issued by Robert Schapiro, Under Secretary of Commerce under Bill Clinton, in which he points out that 1.6 million jobs were in fact created or retained, just in manufacturing; 102,000 jobs in wholesale and retail; in transportation he goes on and shows all the different jobs that were created for a total of 2.1 million jobs. Now, does that mean every company added jobs? No, some didn't, but it has nothing to do with this.
So the fact is, when my colleagues stand up and say, why are we doing this when it was such an utter failure, well, take your argument to Laura Tyson, take your argument to Allen Sinai, take your argument to Robert Schapiro and show them where they are wrong.
Then we are told Joint Tax has to be paid attention to. They were dead wrong the last time. I mean, they said maybe we would have $100 billion come in, maybe up to $200 billion. Well, $360 billion came in. They were way off on the revenues. The revenues they said would come in--it was $16 billion that came into Treasury. They said it would cost $3 billion. So they were wrong. So how can we stand here and try to defeat this measure?
Now, my friend from Massachusetts says this isn't the time or the place or the bill and so forth. This is a moment we can respond to this recession. We are going to do it in many other ways, and I will be supporting things and opposing things, but let me just read to you from Robert Schapiro's report--remember, a Bill Clinton Commerce Under Secretary.
As President Obama and Congress expand the catalogue of
measures to help stabilize the financial system and address
the economic decline, a major untapped resource sits on the
balance sheets of the foreign subsidiaries of U.S.
multinational corporations. These subsidiaries hold up to $1
trillion in past earnings because current U.S. law defers
U.S. corporate tax on those profits until they repatriate. If
those earnings were transferred to the parent companies in
the United States, they could find substantial new capital
investment and employment and provide additional liquidity to
the strapped U.S. financial system as companies reduce their
domestic debt. In principal, the earnings currently held
abroad would provide significant economic stimulus and
financial market liquidity if a change in government policy
could induce U.S. multinationals to promptly repatriate them
and use them for designated purposes.
So my friends stand here and make an argument about how horrible it is that these companies have money abroad, and I agree. I am upset about it. I was upset in 1997 about it. I was upset in 1998 about it. I was upset in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003. Finally, in 2004, Senator Ensign and I got together and we said: Let's see if we can get that money home. So for my colleagues who are lamenting the fact that this money is abroad, we say: Join with us; bring it home.
If you are saying the effective rate is 17 percent, if we can bring it in at 5.25 percent, that is less of a loss to the Treasury.
I will take 1 more minute. Then I will retain.
So I love a debate, but I would like to debate on the facts. The facts are that this is what happened until we had the tax holiday. Now there is a new hue and cry: You did it in 2004; never do it again. Well, I think it is a good thing that Oracle bought up two or three companies that were going to go belly up and that were going to be bought out by a foreign competitor. I think that was good. I think it was good that Cisco Systems added so many jobs--more than 1,000 new jobs.
So when my friends stand and they lament the loss of jobs, I lament every job loss in this country. And I say to Cisco Systems: Good for you. You brought the money in and you did the right thing. Did every company do that? No. That is why we have tightened up this bill.
I thank the Chair, and I reserve the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, how much time remains?
We will call it 4, and I will take 2 and yield 2 to my friend, and we will close.
First of all, this isn't a shop-worn argument. This is an argument that is going to create jobs, if we win it. Who says it? Laura Tyson:
Repatriation policy provides a short-run stimulus and would
make funds available to support the domestic operations of
U.S. companies quickly.
Robert Schapiro, Under Secretary of Commerce under Bill Clinton:
The earnings currently held abroad would provide
significant economic stimulus and financial market liquidity
if a change in government policy could induce U.S.
multinationals to promptly repatriate them and use them for
certain purposes.
You know, here it is. If you want to get the break, these are the things you have to do. You have to hire workers. You have to use it for research and development, for capital improvements. You have to acquire distressed companies and clean energy investments.
Look, my friends. The world is the way the world is. I think Senator Ensign and I, Senator Bayh, and Senator Specter are realists. Yes, in many ways I would like to think I am an idealist. I don't like the fact that these companies are keeping their money abroad. But guess what. They are not going to bring the money back because Byron Dorgan or Barbara Boxer comes on the floor of the Senate and says: Please be good. Please be good. We need the capital in our banks. We need the capital to create jobs.
We need to make it profitable for them, and that is what we are doing. We did it before.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in the Record a chart that was done by Mr. Schapiro proving that 2.1 million jobs the last time were either created or saved.
Mr. President, I yield the remainder of my time to my colleague, Senator Ensign.
Mr. President, I move to waive the relevant section and ask for the yeas and nays.