Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Nugent), for yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself such time as I may consume. (Mr. McGOVERN asked and was…
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank my friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Nugent), for yielding me the customary 30 minutes, and I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Mr. McGOVERN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, this is a sad and deeply troubling day for this House of Representatives. The Republican leadership of this body is asking us to take the unprecedented and unjustified step of holding a sitting Attorney General in contempt of Congress.
They are doing so based on a completely partisan ``investigation.''
This is a witch hunt, pure and simple, Mr. Speaker, and it has no place in this House. Eric Holder is a good and decent and honorable public servant. He has reinvigorated the Justice Department, especially on efforts to stop partisan voter suppression across the country.
I find it interesting that the Republican leadership has scheduled this nonsense for the floor today when it is certain to be buried under the avalanche of news and reaction to the Supreme Court's health care decision and the highway bill and the student loan bill and everything else. Is it possible that the Republican leadership doesn't really want the American people seeing what the House is doing today? Why else would they feel the need to rush this to the floor a mere week after the House Oversight Committee voted along strictly partisan lines to adopt the Republican contempt citation?
Let me say at the outset that there are certain things that all of us, Democrats and Republicans alike, agree on. We all agree that the death of Agent Terry was a terrible tragedy. We all agree that the ATF field office's embrace of gunwalking--which began under the Bush administration, by the way--was a terrible idea. We all agree that the ATF should not have sent an erroneous letter to Senator Grassley in 2011. But the contempt resolution before us doesn't have anything to do with any of that.
The Department of Justice has provided thousands and thousands of documents about gunwalking. The Attorney General has testified nine times. The Department has provided over 1,000 pages of documents about the letter sent to Senator Grassley. So this isn't about getting to the truth; this is about politics. It is about politics. This is about the Republicans refusing to take ``yes'' for an answer. This is about doing whatever it takes to attack the Obama administration no matter the issue, no matter the cost.
During the committee's ``investigation,'' the Republican majority refused all Democratic requests for witnesses and hearings, as well as requests to interview any Bush administration appointees. All of them were denied.
The Republicans refused Democratic requests to hold a hearing with Ken Melson, the head of ATF. You know, if you're actually interested in learning about an ATF operation, don't you think you would want to talk to the leadership of the ATF?
Republicans refused Democratic requests to hold a hearing with former Attorney General Mukasey, who was briefed on botched ATF operations in 2007. If you're actually interested in learning about these botched operations, wouldn't you want to talk to the man who was briefed about them?
I would hope that we would all agree that we should never take a step like finding a sitting Attorney General in contempt lightly, and that we should only do so based on accurate information. But Ranking Member Cummings and his staff have found, in a very short time, 100 concerns, omissions, and inaccuracies in the committee report that is the foundation of this contempt resolution--100 inaccuracies and omissions and concerns. Sadly, instead of getting answers to those questions, this has been rushed to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, the American people expect us to address the issues that matter most to them--issues like jobs and the economy and education and health care--but the Republican majority refuses to listen. Instead, they bring this
resolution to the floor, and then they wonder why Congress is so unpopular.
What troubles me most, perhaps, is that under this Republican majority, everything has to be a fight--everything. Everything has to be a confrontation, everything has to be a showdown. And I get the politics. I understand this is an election year. But this goes way, way too far. It is just wrong.
I wish the Speaker of the House would have intervened here and kept this off the floor. By moving forward today on this resolution, we diminish the House of Representatives. This is not a happy day for this institution.
I urge my colleagues to reject this rule and the underlying resolutions, and I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, let me yield myself such time as I may consume before I yield to the gentleman from North Carolina.
Mr. Speaker, the last time Congress dealt with a contempt resolution was in the case of Joshua Bolton and Harriet Miers. The period of time between when the committee voted out the resolution and before there was floor action was 6 months. The reason why there was time taken was to make sure that we got it right.
This is less than a week. And I'm going to say to my friends on the other side of the aisle that the minority staff has compiled a list of 100 inaccuracies--100 inaccuracies in the report that was the basis for this contempt resolution--100--and they're rushing it to the floor. So don't tell me this is not about politics. Don't tell me this is not a witch hunt. It is exactly what it is.
Mr. Speaker, I'd like to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Butterfield).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My friend from Florida (Mr. Nugent) talked about obstructionism, and I want to say a couple of words about that because I think this whole process has obstructed justice.
During the committee's 16-month investigation, the committee refused all Democratic requests for witnesses and hearings, which is unprecedented. For instance, the committee refused to hold a public hearing with Ken Melson, the head of ATF, the agency responsible for this operation, after he told committee investigators privately that he never informed senior department officials about gunwalking because he was unaware of it.
The committee also refused a hearing, or even a private meeting, with former Attorney General Mukasey, who was briefed on botched efforts to coordinate interdictions with Mexico in 2007, and was informed directly that these efforts would be expanded during his tenure; refused the opportunity to have the Attorney General as a witness.
Mr. Speaker, this partisanship was demonstrated by the committee's vote along strictly partisan lines to hold the Attorney General in contempt and to vote along strictly partisan lines on every amendment. This is about politics. This is not about the truth. This is not about justice. This is about politics, and that is why this is such a sad day for this institution.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Vermont (Mr. Welch).
I yield the gentleman an additional 15 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, let me remind my friend that this gunwalking program started under President Bush. And that's just the way it is.
I would like to yield 15 seconds to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Gene Green).
Mr. Speaker, let me just say to the gentlelady that if she is interested in why the United States pursued this gunwalking program, she should talk to the Attorney General under the Bush administration, Attorney General Mukasey, when this thing started 5 years ago.
Unfortunately, notwithstanding the fact that the Democrats have asked that he be called before the committee, the request has been denied. She wants to know why this is political? The request for every single witness that the Democrats asked to be brought before the committee was denied, the request for every single witness.
That is unprecedented in this House in any committee, the fact that the Democrats have been locked out of having any of their witnesses come forward. This is not about gunwalking. This is not about finding the terrible truth about what happened to Agent Terry. This is about politics, plain and simple; and it diminishes this House.
I would like to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from the District of Columbia (Ms. Norton).
Mr. Speaker, my colleague from Florida (Mr. Nugent) mentioned the issue of gun ownership as related to the witnesses that the Democrats wanted to have appear before the committee. How inviting the head of the ATF, which is responsible for Operation Fast and Furious, or inviting the former Attorney General, who was briefed on gunwalking and knew about it, how that has anything to do with gun ownership--what that has to do with, Mr. Speaker, is getting to the truth.
The minority has submitted a request for witnesses in writing and even requested for a--which I guess they have the right to do--a day of minority witnesses, which they were told they would not be granted that day in a timely fashion.
This is about politics. This, by all measures, is about politics. Again, the fact that we are doing this today, I think, diminishes the House of Representatives.
I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Andrews).
(Mr. ANDREWS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, we need to deal with facts in this debate because this is an important matter.
The gentleman just talked about these hearings, these meetings with the head of the ATF. The reality was that a year ago Republican staff met with the head of the ATF on July 3 without notifying Democratic staff. Democratic staff were invited to come on July 4. There were no public hearings, and no Members were there.
Again, I'm not sure what the problem is with having the head of the ATF come before the committee so the American people can hear what the truth is and what the facts are. I don't know why that's such a big deal. But to suggest that this was a bipartisan effort is just outright false.
Mr. Speaker, at this time, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Maryland (Ms. Edwards).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, if this is about openness, then why does the committee have secret meetings where they lock Democrats out? If this is about openness, then why won't they let any Democratic witnesses appear before the committee?
And since there seems to be some confusion as to whether or not Democrats actually formally requested witnesses, I will insert into the Record a letter to the Honorable Darrell Issa on October 28, on November 4, and on February 2, requesting witnesses, including the former Attorney General Mukasey and Mr. Melson, the head of the ATF.
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, House of
Representatives,
Washington, DC, October 28, 2011.
Hon. Darrell E. Issa,
Chairman, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, House
of Representatives, Washington, DC.
Dear Mr. Chairman: As I have stated repeatedly, I believe
Operation Fast and Furious was a terrible mistake with tragic
consequences. As I have also stated, I support a fair and
responsible investigation that follows the facts where they
lead, rather than drawing conclusions before evidence is
gathered or ignoring information that does not fit into a
preconceived narrative.
On several occasions over the past month, you have called
on Attorney General Eric Holder to appear before the House
Judiciary Committee to answer questions about when he first
became aware of the controversial tactics used in Operation
Fast and Furious. The Attorney General has now agreed to
testify before the House Judiciary Committee on December 8,
2011, when you will have another opportunity to question him
directly.
With respect to our own Committee's investigation, I do not
believe it will be viewed as legitimate or credible--and I do
not believe the public record will be complete--without
public testimony from Kenneth Melson, who served as the
Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and
Explosives (ATF).
A hearing with Mr. Melson would help the Committee and the
American people better understand what mistakes were made in
Operation Fast and Furious, how these tactics originated, who
did and did not authorize them. and what steps are being
taken to ensure that they are not used again.
Our staffs have already conducted transcribed interviews
with Mr. Melson and the
former Deputy Director of ATF, William Hoover. During those
interviews, these officials expressed serious concerns about
the controversial tactics employed by the Phoenix Field
Division of ATF as part of this operation. They also raised
concerns about the manner in which the Department of Justice
responded to congressional inquiries.
Both officials also stated that they had not been aware of
the controversial tactics being used in Operation Fast and
Furious, had not authorized those tactics, and had not
informed anyone at the Department of Justice headquarters
about them. They stated that Operation Fast and Furious
originated within the Phoenix Field Division, and that ATF
headquarters failed to properly supervise it.
Since the Attorney General has now agreed to appear before
Congress in December, I believe Members also deserve an
opportunity to question Mr. Melson directly, especially since
he headed the agency responsible for Operation Fast and
Furious. My staff has been in touch with Mr. Melson's
attorney, who reports that Mr. Melson would be pleased to
cooperate with the Committee.
Thank you for your consideration of this request.
Sincerely,
Elijah E. Cummings,
Ranking Member.
I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Johnson).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Fattah).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlelady from California (Ms. Speier).
Mr. Speaker, can I inquire of the gentleman from Florida how many more speakers he has, because we have no more speakers on this side but myself.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, there isn't a single person in this House who doesn't honor the service of Agent Terry. There isn't a single person in this House who does not want justice for Agent Terry's family--and the truth. There isn't a single person in this House, I believe, who doesn't want to get to the bottom of how gunwalking started and how these operations were so terribly botched.
But every single attempt for an evenhanded investigation has been thwarted by the Republican majority. There has not been an evenhanded investigation. Every single witness that the Democrats requested to be called before the committee was refused. Every single witness. It's unprecedented.
Let me say that Eric Holder is a good and decent and honorable man. He's doing an excellent job as Attorney General. He does not deserve this. And this institution does not deserve this.
I say to my friends on the other side of the aisle: Do you really want to go down this road? This is a race to the bottom. This is a witch hunt. This is politics, pure and simple. It diminishes this House of Representatives. We are better than this.
Does everything have to be a confrontation? Does everything have to be in your face?
Now, you want to maintain your majority. I get it. You want to win elections. That's understandable. But at what cost? Do we really need to drag the House of Representatives down this road?
This is a stain on this House of Representatives. We should not be here today. We should be talking about jobs and putting people back to work and about making sure student loans don't double. But instead, we are doing this.
This is so political and so blatantly partisan that I think the American people are sickened by this. And as a number of people have said, You want to know why the approval rating is so low? Watch the videotape of this debate here today. We should be doing the peoples' business.
This is not the peoples' business. This is not about getting to the truth in the case of Agent Terry. This is a political maneuver to go after this administration. And this has, unfortunately, become a trend and a pattern in this Congress. We need to find a way to solve our problems without always having these big confrontations.
So I urge my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, don't go down this road. We urged the Speaker of the House yesterday to pull this from the floor. This is wrong. Please defeat this rule.
I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.