Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. I ask unanimous consent to set aside the pending amendment. I call up amendment No. 1489 and ask for its…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
I ask unanimous consent to set aside the pending amendment.
I call up amendment No. 1489 and ask for its immediate consideration.
I am sure, listening to that, it is hard to understand exactly what this is all about, so let me take a moment.
I want to first thank Senators Lieberman and Collins for all their hard work and I want to thank Senator Gillibrand for writing the STOCK Act.
I come to the floor as the chairman of the Ethics Committee with an amendment that we wrote together, Senator Isakson and I, who is the vice chair of the committee. So this is quite a bipartisan amendment and I don't think it should be controversial or troublesome in any way.
This amendment actually comes from a bill that Senator Isakson and I wrote together after the Countrywide fiasco. If you want to recollect that unhappy issue, it was a situation where Countrywide had set up a VIP program and they literally targeted Members of Congress of the House and Senate to put them into this program and never told the Members of Congress that there was this program, and yet it went forward. And because there is no rule that personal mortgages be shown on the disclosure form, this was quite a shock when it all came out. What we are saying is we want to improve the disclosure requirement on home mortgages.
Right now, if it is at your own personal home, you don't have to show the mortgage, and this would correct that. It would mean that you have to show the date the mortgage was entered, the balance, and a range, the interest rate, the terms, the name and address of the creditor. So it is an omission--but actually it is a pretty glaring omission--in our financial disclosure requirements because, again, of the Countrywide example. We don't want to have a situation--because we are not allowed to get better treatment than anyone else. And the fact that we didn't disclose these mortgages--it was quite a story when it came to light that there was this special VIP program at Countrywide. So this legislation, this amendment, addresses this omission. It requires Members of Congress to make a full and complete disclosure of all the mortgages on their personal residences.
Again, right now this requirement is in place for mortgages that you may have on investment properties but not on your personal properties. It would include Members of Congress and their spouses as well.
In his State of the Union Address, the President spoke about the deficit of trust between Washington and the rest of the country. I don't know that this amendment is going to cure all those problems, but I do think it shows that we are ready to learn from a bad experience, which was the Countrywide experience. So I think the Boxer-Isakson amendment and the underlying bill are sensible steps toward rebuilding our Nation's faith in government.
Again, the rules are already clear that we are not permitted to get any financial arrangements that are better than they are for any other constituent, so I think by this disclosure we are saying that even in our own personal mortgages we have to be aware of this. I think this listing is called for, and I urge my colleagues to support this amendment and the underlying legislation.
I yield the floor, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
I very much thank Senator Collins for that question.
Senator Isakson and I, as the chair and vice chair of the Ethics Committee, are applying this to the Members of Congress. That is because the scandal that took place with Countrywide involved the Members of Congress. We are not including staff in this. It also applies to more than one residence, because some of our Members have seven homes, six homes, four homes, two homes. If you have mortgages on any of those properties, you would now have to disclose those.
Mr. President, I would be happy to go on as a cosponsor to Senator Collins if she wants to take on the additional burden of moving this idea forward. I don't have any problem with it.
The point is, I am here--and I have been very open about it because I know what I am talking about when it comes to Members of Congress, because as chair of the Ethics Committee, I don't oversee Treasury. This is not my role, this is not my expertise, and I am very humble about that. I did see what happened here, along with, I would say, every member of the Ethics Committee and Senator Isakson.
This is a bipartisan amendment and we know what we are talking about, and we are saying there was a problem and Members of Congress were courted by Countrywide. Did they court other people? I don't know. But if there is some proof that they did and there is need to go and cover them with a similar amendment, I would be happy to work with my colleague on that. But I am not going to change this particular piece of legislation, because I know what I am talking about here. I know how to fix this. I know we have made a big mistake, and I feel it is our job to clean up our own business. And our own business, when it comes to this, is not good.
Would I wish to look over at what the Bush administration did or what the Obama administration is doing or what other administrations will do? I am happy to do that. But I am here to address our house--our house. Clean it up. Act as a role model.
I do not have any problem with supporting another piece of legislation. Maybe there is a problem over there. I, frankly, do not know what their ethics rules are. I know what our ethics rules are, and I know we have made a glaring omission when Members may have three, four, five, six, seven houses; they may have two, three, four, five, six mortgages and they never have to show them. Let's clean it up.
If my friend believes there is need for another amendment, I am happy to look at it. But Senator Isakson and I are doing something we have long wanted to do. This is not something we just made up. We have had a bill for a long time doing exactly this. This is a moment we would like to get it done.
I yield the floor.
I thank my colleague for that because it was a little surprising. My understanding, and I hope to stand corrected by the Senator from Maine, if I am wrong, and the Senator from New York, that the whole idea behind the STOCK Act, the bill written by Senator Gillibrand and the bill written by Senator Brown, did not deal with the executive branch. I thought the whole notion behind this was for us to clean up our act. Clean up our act over here. That is the best way to proceed.
I have no problem if my colleague wants to write an amendment, she herself, on this particular issue. If she can make the case that it has been shown that VIP loans were given to members of the executive branch--whether under George Bush or Barack Obama--and I think in the years she is looking at it would have been under Bush, but those are the years the Countrywide scandal took place--if my friend has absolute information for me that shows that members of the Bush administration or the Obama administration got special treatment from the Countrywide scandal, I would like to know about it. I do not know anything about that at this time.
If my friend believes it would be a good thing to do, to offer a separate amendment covering certain members of the executive branch, I am happy to look at it. But it strikes me as bizarre that this has become an issue. It sounds like what is going on from the Republican side is all of a sudden they want to turn attention over to the executive branch rather than focus it on us--which I think is critical. But I am happy to look at any amendment that deals with abuses the Senator can show me were occurring over on the executive branch side during those years that Countrywide was doing its damage. I would be happy to support an amendment. But I think we should keep this amendment clean. I think this amendment should be clean because we are looking at a particular ethics rule and we are essentially cutting out a loophole which has allowed colleagues to not have to list their personal residences when, in fact, we know some of them got special treatment.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, if I can respond?
The Senator can't yield--I would like to have the floor now. She can't yield to another colleague except if it is for a question. I would like to have the floor since the Senator just said I was incorrect. I would like to correct her, if I might.
What I said was, when these bills were introduced, they were directed at the Congress. That is what I said. I talked about the bills. I did not talk about what went on amending them, et cetera. I will repeat what I said was accurate. Both Mr. Brown's bill and Mrs. Gillibrand's bill were, in fact, talking about the Congress.
What I would also like to say is if my colleague wants bipartisanship, she should be happy with this amendment since it is coming from Senators Boxer and Isakson, the chairman and the vice chairman of the Ethics Committee.
We did not investigate the executive branch and Countrywide's going after the people in the Bush administration and the Obama administration. We do not have that information. If she has information that shows there have been sweetheart deals over there, I certainly want to know about it. As I said, if my colleague wants to offer a first-degree amendment that broadens this, I am happy to look at it. Because if it can be shown to me that there have been abuses over there, from the mortgage companies going after these folks over there, I am happy to agree to that. I would have to take it to Senator Isakson because he is, in fact, the coauthor. Also, I have to point out that this same amendment I offered was put forward in a bill by Senator Cornyn in 2008. So there is a lot of interest on this.
I am a person who likes to know what I am talking about. I try very hard. I do not know if there has been abuse from the mortgage companies over to the executive branch. But I know for sure there has been a big problem here with colleagues getting sweetheart deals. I want to put an end to it.
If my colleague wants to strengthen my amendment, she can offer a second-degree amendment. If she can prove to me that there has been abuse and there has been a problem and there is not enough protection, I am happy to support it. But I guess I am a little taken aback as I come here in a bipartisan spirit to offer a bipartisan amendment, I have kind of been the subject of some weird sort of attack for not going far enough with my amendment. I find it bizarre, to be totally frank, and I will continue to stay on the floor until I understand what this is all about. Maybe I have nothing to do with it. If I said something wrong, I would like to know what it is. But I am offering, in good faith, a bipartisan amendment that is a no-brainer, that comes straight out of the Countrywide scandal that we studied in a bipartisan way, in Congress, and we are moving to correct the problems we know exist.
If there are more problems out there and if my friend has proof of that, if she can prove it to us, I am happy to support a first-degree amendment to this amendment.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, we can go back and forth 100 ways to Sunday. I thought I explained exactly why Senator Isakson and I have a narrow bill. We are trying to fix a problem we know exists. We feel very strongly that for the good of the Senate, in particular--because this is the body we serve in. We love it. We want to make it strong and appreciated and not derided. We had a scandal that touched this body and we had a thorough investigation. It took a long time to get to the bottom of it. We uncovered the fact that Countrywide had a sweetheart deal and they were aiming it at Members of Congress.
We have crafted this amendment to respond to what we know is a problem. I am not in the business of coming down here and legislating on things that I might guess are a problem or, gee, maybe I can throw out a fishing net and catch everybody in it. If there is a problem elsewhere, I am happy to support my colleague if she would like to broaden this. I am not against it. I am saying for me and Senator Isakson, we have offered an amendment that cures a very simple problem; that ethics rules, as they are today, allow Senators and Members of Congress to avoid showing the mortgages they hold on personal residences. If the same thing exists in the executive branch, I don't know about that. I am dealing with an amendment here and so is Senator Isakson, that we know about.
If the Senator asks again why our amendment is narrow, let me again answer it in another way: We are curing a narrow problem but a problem that exists. We are not throwing out some big fishing net to catch everybody in it whom we don't know about. We think this will make the Congress a better place. We do. Because there are Members who have two, three, four, and five homes. They may have two, three, four, and five mortgages, and we think it is important for the public to know that.
But, again, I hope my colleague from Maine supports this. I don't know if she does.
She doesn't oppose it. That is a good start. I hope she supports it. If she feels she can make it stronger, she should offer a first-degree amendment, let me take a look at it, let me see whether it is necessary, and let me see whether there is reason to do it. I can surely tell her I am very open to broadening it, but the reason it is crafted the way it is is that it is dealing with a problem we are not guessing exists; we know it exists where there have been abuses before and we are trying to cure that problem.
I thank the Senator for her patience.
I yield the floor.