Mr. President, Senator Grassley and Senator Wyden and more recently Senator McCaskill, have pointed out the obvious fact that so-called holds that Members of the Senate place on nominations or…
Mr. President, Senator Grassley and Senator Wyden and more recently Senator McCaskill, have pointed out the obvious fact that so-called holds that Members of the Senate place on nominations or legislation should be public. I think that is a good idea. That has bipartisan support. I believe today we will change the rules to make that clear, and I congratulate Senators Wyden, Grassley, and McCaskill for their perseverance and persistence in pushing this ahead.
I have always been glad to be public with my holds. I remember when Senator Reid filibustered my TVA nominee by putting a hold on him, so I filibustered one of his Nevada citizens by putting a hold on him. Then we were able to work it out. But Senator Reid and I made our objections public. I knew what he was doing and he knew what I was doing. That is important to build confidence in the Senate.
Senator Grassley is on his way over and he has been the partner with Senator Wyden on reforming holds for some time. I would like to say to Senators Wyden and McCaskill and others--as I have already said to Senators Udall and Merkley--that the efforts they have made to change the rules of the Senate have created a window of opportunity which I believe those of us on both sides of the aisle believe will make the Senate a better functioning forum. These Senators will not succeed in all the changes they are seeking to make but this window of opportunity will allow the Senate to better function as a place to discuss serious issues.
The majority leader and the Republican leader earlier today said they were going to do their best to see that most bills come to the floor after first going to committee. Then once bills get here we will have amendments. I think that is what most of us want. We want a chance to represent the views we have and those we are elected to represent. Sometimes our views are in the minority. Sometimes we are very solitary with our views. Maybe we are the only one who has a particular view. But we want a chance to be heard and a chance to offer amendments to express our views.
I think we are preserving the Senate as a forum in which that can be done, but at the same time we are making it a more effective place in which to do that. I congratulate Senator Wyden and his colleague, Senator Grassley, and others for their efforts.
Mr. President, the Senator from Oregon has talked about the number of nominations that couldn't be considered. I am sure the Senator from Oregon remembers that there cannot be a filibuster on a motion to proceed to a nomination. All the majority leader has to do is bring it up. You can't debate that. If he should bring up the motion to proceed to a nomination, and if a Senator over here or over there objected, then the motion can be put to a simple majority vote. When I was nominated by President George H.W. Bush to be Education Secretary, a secret hold was placed on my nomination. Senator Metzenbaum, as it turned out, had a hold on my nomination for 3 months when all it would have taken for me to be confirmed was for the majority leader to bring my name to the floor. Then if we had gotten 60 votes for it, we could have debated for 30 hours and had a final vote on my nomination.
What would happen during the 30 hours? We don't have Senators going out to dinner except on the other side of the aisle. Because under the current rules, in those 30 hours, one Senator gets 7 hours to speak. We know a Senator can do that because a distinguished Senator from Vermont demonstrated very capably that he was capable of doing that not long ago. He did a great job. People all over the country saw it, wrote him, and he became a little bit of a celebrity for that day. Senators are still capable of that. But if a Senator had wanted to take the whole 30 hours in a postcloture period, he then has to get 23 more Senators to join him in taking an hour of that 30 hours. Without getting into the complications of it, if Senators fail to talk, then the majority leader can say those are dilatory tactics and force any Senator who wants to extend the debate to be very uncomfortable. That Senator would have to get up to 23 Senators to come join him at some time during the speech and take 7 hours himself. The reason why that hasn't been done is because the majority didn't want to do it.
Now I am not just saying that. The master of the Senate rules, Senator Byrd, said it in his last testimony before our Rules Committee last May.
He said this:
Forceful confrontation to a threat to filibuster is
undoubtedly the antidote to the malady.
Senator Byrd was talking about what some considered the abuse of a filibuster. Most recently, before he died, Senator Byrd said:
Senate Majority Leader Reid announced that the Senate would
stay in session around the clock and take all procedural
steps necessary to bring financial reform legislation before
the Senate. As preparations were made and cots rolled out, a
deal was struck within hours and the threat of a filibuster
was withdrawn. I heartily commend the majority leader for
this progress, and I strongly caution my colleagues as some
propose to alter the rules to severely limit the ability of a
minority to conduct a filibuster.
I know what it is to be majority leader, and wake up on a
Wednesday morning in November, and find yourself a minority
leader.
Senator Byrd said the Senate rules provide the means to break a filibuster. He went on to describe that.
Mr. President, I don't want to suggest to the distinguished whip, who knows the rules of the Senate much better than I, or to Harry Reid, the majority leader, how to break a filibuster that he thinks is an abuse. But they know how to do it. That takes a little trouble. You cannot go out to dinner and have a glass of wine, as the Senator from Oregon was talking about. You have to sit on that side of the floor and have 50 Senators ready. You can sit there and say: I would like for the Senator from Tennessee to assert himself. And you can stay all night. I imagine if you do that once or twice, or if we voted on more than zero Fridays, which was the number of Fridays we voted on last year, you could confront filibusters.
After I finish my sentence, I will yield the floor to the Senator from Illinois.
I say to my friends, what we are trying to do today is to move past this time where we point out that the majority leader has cut off our right to amend and debate six times more than recent majority leaders. That is what gets everybody stirred up over here. It is like telling us we can join the Grand Ole Opry, but we can't sing.
We are here to let people know what the people in Tennessee and other States think. We might be in the minority, but we are in the Senate where the minority is supposed to have a voice.
When, time after time, you bring a bill to the floor and cut it off, and you call that a filibuster--that is why we are upset. You are upset because as a result of that you didn't get to bring as many bills to the floor as you would like. We are trying to put that all behind us today. This window of opportunity has produced what I think is important. These rules changes we are going to adopt are good and will move us in the right direction.
The real value of this whole effort has been to cause us to think about how the Senate operates and realize the best way to do it is for most bills to go to committee, come to the floor, and for most Senators to get to offer most of the amendments they want to offer and get them voted on. We might have to vote on a Friday--maybe even a Thursday night or maybe even a Saturday. It might be that the majority has to confront a filibuster by saying: Senator so-and-so, if you are going to slow us down, we are going to make you use that 30 hours. You are going to have to talk your 7 hours and get 23 other Senators, and we are going to be here to see that you do it.
My guess would be that you do that about once, maybe twice, and that would end that particular problem. My real guess is if this general attitude that the majority and minority leaders talked about earlier today occurs, then you will see very few uses of the filibusters you think are inappropriate. The Leaders described an attitude which is that we are going to do our best to see that most bills come to the floor, that most Senators get to offer the amendments they want, and that Senators get the votes on those amendments they want. If you think inappropriate filibusters are occurring, according to Senator Byrd, you have the means to confront them.
My hope is that this whole exercise not only is producing some rules changes that are valuable but a change in behavior on both sides of the aisle which will be valuable. We will wait and see.
I am happy to yield to my friend from Illinois.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. President, since the distinguished whip has apparently renamed this amendment the ``which side of the aisle goes out to dinner'' amendment, let me ask him this: Isn't it true that if your side didn't go out to dinner--since you asked to be elected to the Senate, you raised a lot of money, and you worked hard and defeated some Republican to get here--if you really think somebody over here is abusing their minority rights by filibustering, then why would you go out to dinner, and why would you not want to be here and hear that person talk and respond to him? Why would you not do that?
Isn't it true that Senator Byrd said that forceful confrontation to the threat of a filibuster is undoubtedly the antidote to the malady? He did not want us tampering with this 60-vote procedure we have that forces consensus.
My question to the majority whip is this: Why did you go out to dinner so often--through the Chair--when instead, you could have been here, under the rules as Senator Byrd suggested, dealing with abuses to the filibuster or what you consider they were?
Madam President, I have already congratulated Senator Udall, Senator Wyden, Senator Merkley, and Senator Harkin for stimulating a good, full discussion about two objectives. No. 1 is, how do we make the Senate the best possible place to deal with serious issues that come before our country, because we have plenty of them right now, starting with our national debt and the high unemployment rates. They have done a good job on that. They have led us today to adopt what I believe are two important steps, one having to do with secret holds and another having to do with taking time away, that might otherwise be better used, by having the clerk read an amendment.
This debate has also produced a couple of other things. One is to create broader support than we have had over a number of years on dealing with the persistent problem of the difficulty a President has in staffing the government. Senator Reid and Senator McConnell, when they were whips, tried to deal with this issue. We had three bipartisan breakfasts on this, working with the White House, 2 years ago. Senator Lieberman and Senator Collins, who are the committee chairs, have tried to deal with this issue. And we have all failed so far.
But Senator Schumer and I will be introducing a bill which we will be discussing with committee chairmen and ranking members especially, and it will have the support of the leaders, Senators McConnell and Reid. It will have the active involvement of Senator Lieberman and Senator Collins. What we hope to do is two things. One is to reduce the number on Senate confirmed positions--Senator Harkin spoke about this a little earlier. He has been a ranking member and a chairman. He basically said that we don't need to spend our time here having Senate confirmation of hundreds of part-time boards and commission members or the public relations official for some department. We should focus our attention on issues that affect the American people such as jobs, debt and terror.
The second thing we should do is to end this practice of making it so that the citizens who are invited by the
President of the United States to serve in our government are innocent until nominated. We drag them through a maze of conflicting forms, many of them created by the executive branch and many of them created by the Senate. These nominees fill out forms that trap them and trick them and embarrass them. It is surprising that anybody will accept the opportunity to serve. I remember majority leader Howard Baker was nominated by President Bush to go to Japan as Ambassador. Everybody in the Senate knew him very well. He was voted ``Most Admired Senator'' by Senators on both sides of the aisle in the 1980s. It cost him $250,000 to fill out the forms so that he could be the Ambassador to Japan. I could give many examples of similar difficulties.
Washington, DC, has become the only place where you hire a lawyer, an accountant, and an ethics officer before you find your house and put your kid in school if you come to work here. We need good people in the government. We need to be able to attract them here. We should fix the current system. I greatly appreciate the work Senators Schumer, Reid, McConnell, Lieberman, Collins and others have done. I hope our colleagues will join us in bringing this forward in an expedited way.
I ask unanimous consent to include at the end of my remarks, remarks I made on March 9, 2009, on the Senate floor entitled ``Innocent Until Nominated.''
Madam President, only two other things.
I wish to congratulate Senator McConnell and Senator Reid for leading us in this way. Changing rules is an important step forward. I do not in any way want to diminish what I believe we are about to do, but we need a change in behavior more than we need a change in rules. This debate has caused us to talk across party lines about what we want, and I think what we want is what Senator Udall said as a whole. We would like most bills to come through committee and then come to the floor. We want to have a chance for most Senators to be able to offer most of their amendments and then to get votes. That is what we should try to do most of the time. Sometimes the Republicans will want to repeal the health care law, and the Democrats will use all of their resources to defeat our efforts. Sometimes the Democrats in the House will send over a bill to repeal the secret ballot in union elections, and Republicans will try to defeat that. We will use all of our resources in those instances. But that won't be most of the time. Most of the time, we will be able to do our jobs better to represent the people who sent us here.
I hope those who have provoked this discussion feel a sense of satisfaction about what they have done, even though I know that in every case they didn't get exactly what they want.
Finally, I ask unanimous consent that a long response to Senator Harkin's excellent comments on his amendment which he has been fighting for for 16 years, be printed in the Record at the conclusion of my remarks.
Senator Harkin is very straightforward about his difference of opinion. He believes we ought to bring every debate eventually to 51 votes. So I would respectfully term his amendment as sort of a ``hang me now or hang me later.'' We know that eventually it is not 60 votes we are going to require, it is 51, and he says that is the way it ought to be. I disagree. So do many others.
I will just cite two distinguished Senators who spoke on the floor of the Senate about 5 years ago when a number of Republicans got it in their minds that they would like to change the filibuster rule as it affects judges. This is what Senator Harry Reid said then:
The filibuster is far from a procedural gimmick. It is part
of the fabric of this institution that we call the Senate.
For 200 years we've had the right to extend the debate. It's
not a procedural gimmick. Some in this Chamber want to throw
out 214 years of Senate history in the quest for absolute
power. They want to do away with Mr. Smith as depicted in
that great movie being able to come to Washington. They want
to do away with the filibuster. They think they are wiser
than our Founding Fathers. I doubt that's true.
The then-Senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, referring then to the Republican majority:
Then if the majority chooses to end the filibuster, if they
choose to change the rules and put an end to Democratic
debate, then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock
will only get worse.
I would suggest that, as a result of this discussion, we preserve the Senate as an institution, a forum for deliberation where minority rights are protected.
But we have also taken some important steps forward--or are about to--with rules changes to make them function better. We have reached a consensus among ourselves--informally, anyway--that is represented by the colloquy that will be placed in the Record by Senator Reid and Senator McConnell. They said what we want is an opportunity to represent the American people the way they sent us here to do it, which is to take legislation, bring it through committee, bring it to the floor, and for us to have a chance to amend, debate, and vote. That would be most of the time. Some of the time we will exercise our minority and majority rights to defeat a bill, because that is also what we are sent here to do.
I thank the Senators for this spirited debate. As far as I know, there are no more speakers on the Republican side.
Exhibit 1
Floor Remarks of U.S. Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN), ``Innocent Until
Nominated''
(March 9, 2009)
Mr. President, in the midst of much talk about
bipartisanship and not much to show for it, I have a
nomination for an issue upon which we can work together, and
that is this: review the maze of conflicting forms, FBI
investigations, IRS audits, ethics requirements, and
financial disclosures to make it possible for President Obama
and future Presidents to put together promptly a team to help
them solve big problems.
This is an urgent problem today because during the worst
banking crisis since the Great Depression, the man in charge
of fixing the crisis, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner,
apparently is sitting in his office without much help, at
least from any Obama Presidential appointees.
According to news accounts, among the key vacant positions
at the Treasury Department are the Assistant Secretary for
Tax Policy; the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy;
the Deputy Assistant Secretary for Tax Analysis; the Deputy
Assistant Secretary for Tax, Trade, and Tariff Policy; and
the Deputy Assistant Secretary for International Tax Affairs.
The first choice for Deputy Secretary of the Treasury appears
to have withdrawn her name from consideration.
Four months after the President's election, according to
TheBigMoney.com, the list of vacancies on the Treasury
Department Web site shows that ``Main Treasury Building is a
lonely place, conjuring up visions of Geithner signing dollar
bills one by one . . ., watering the plants, and answering
the phones when he's not crafting a bank rescue plan.''
Of course, there are the career employees available and at
least one holdover Assistant Secretary and various czars in
the White House--but even one of the czars has expressed
concern about the slow pace of filling Treasury Department
jobs at a critical time.
Part of the problem may be attributed to the Treasury
Secretary's boss, our impressive new President, who is
nevertheless subject to the criticism that he is living over
the store but not minding it.
Presidents have many problems to solve, but no one ever
suggested that the wisest course is to try to solve them all
at once. There is a tradition that Washington, DC, can only
do one thing well at a time. And Presidents are supposed to
exclude from the White House the merely important issues so
they may deal with the truly Presidential problems, which
surely must not include being distracted by debates with
radio talk show hosts.
President Eisenhower, who knew something about leading
complex organizations, said in 1952: ``I will go to Korea.''
The country relaxed and elected him, confident that the
general would end the Korean war.
We need for President Obama to say in Eisenhower fashion
``I will fix the banks''--and then stay home long enough to
do it. Then the country might relax a little and gain some
confidence that this might actually happen, which is the
first step and perhaps the main step in economic recovery.
But the President needs a team at Treasury to help persuade
the American people that he can and will get the job done.
The President has brought on himself some of the difficulty
of putting together a team. In addition to having too many
balls in the air at once, in my opinion, his standards for
hiring sometimes seem to have the effect of disqualifying
people who know something about the problem from being hired
to solve the problem.
But another part of the President's difficulty in filling
jobs--one that has afflicted every President since
Watergate--is the maze of investigations and forms that
prospective senior officials must complete and the risk they
run that they will be trapped and humiliated and disqualified
by an unintentional and relatively harmless mistake.
I voted against the nomination of Secretary Geithner
because I thought it was a bad example for the man in charge
of collecting the taxes not to have paid them. And I thought
his excuse for not paying was not plausible. But that does
not mean that we should disqualify every Presidential nominee
for minor tax discrepancies that result from the complexity
of our Byzantine Tax Code, a Tax Code which has reached 3.7
million words, according to a January report by the National
Taxpayer Advocate, and which is badly in need of reform.
I suspect very few Americans with complex tax returns can
go through a multiple-year audit without finding something
with which the IRS might disagree.
Take the case of former Dallas mayor Ron Kirk, President
Obama's nominee to be U.S. Trade Representative, who
headlines report paid back taxes primarily because he failed
to list as income--and then take a charitable deduction on--
speaking fees that he gave away to charity. Common sense
suggests, and his tax preparer thought, what Mr. Kirk did was
appropriate. After all, he did not keep the money. The IRS
apparently has a more convoluted rule for dealing with such
things. In any event, the matter is so trivial as to be
irrelevant to his suitability to be the trade nominee.
Tax audits are only the beginning. There is the FBI full
field investigation during which friends of the nominee are
asked such questions as: Does he live be and his means?
When I was nominated for Education Secretary a few years
ago, one of my friends replied to the FBI agent: Don't we
all?
There are Federal financial disclosures. Then there is the
White House questionnaire, and, of course, the questions from
the confirming Senate committee. The definition of what
constitutes ``income'' on some forms is different than the
definition of ``income'' on others. It is easy to make a
mistake.
This is not as bad as it could be. We have a Democratic
President and a Democratic Congress with big majorities in
both Chambers. So the nominees have gone through fairly
quickly. But when the Congress is of a different party than
the President, the congressional questionnaires expand and
sometimes delay the nomination for more weeks.
Washington, DC, has become the only place where you hire a
lawyer, an accountant, and an ethics officer before you find
a house and put your kid in school.
The motto around here has become: ``Innocent until
nominated.''
Every legal counsel to every President since Nixon would, I
suspect, agree that in the name of effective government, this
process needs to be changed. Most have tried to change it,
but in Washington style, new regulations pile up on top of
old ones, creating a more bewildering maze. So I have this
suggestion--and one of the Senators to whom I want to make
the suggestion is here today, the Senator from Connecticut. I
suggest Senator Lieberman and Senator Collins, who are the
chairman and ranking member of the committee with
jurisdiction over this mess and who have a tradition of
working well together, should set as a goal to clean it up by
the end of the year. Invite all the former White House
counsels of both parties to give their opinions. Consolidate
and simplify the forms so we learn only what we need to know.
To help with this, I suggest that Senators Lieberman and
Collins form one of those ``gangs'' that we occasionally form
in the Senate, maybe a dozen or more Senators equally divided
among both parties--some from the Homeland Security and
Governmental Affairs Committee and some not--in order to
limit the possibility that everyone will run away from the
final recommendations because they fear someone might think
Senators are not interested in ethical and good government.
Good government right now means fixing the banks and having
the best possible team to do it.
As a Washington Post editorial writer said yesterday of the
President:
As he convened his ``health care summit'' at the White
House . . . the stock market was hitting another 12-year low,
General Motors was again teetering on the brink of insolvency
and the country was still waiting to hear the details of the
Treasury's proposal to bail out banks. Maybe we can make this
grand bargain with our new President: If you will keep your
eye on the ball--in this case, fixing the banks so the
economy will get moving again--we will work in a bipartisan
way to make it easier for you and for future Presidents to
promptly assemble a team and govern us properly.
I thank the Chair. I yield the floor.
Madam President, this amendment puts into effect what the Republicans called in the health care debate the Bunning rule, which is, if it is not on the Internet and not available for 72 hours, it shouldn't be brought up.
We think this is a sensible--I think this is a sensible amendment, and I urge a ``yes'' vote.
Mr. President, this amendment might be called the ``if you are going to hang me later, hang me now'' amendment. This would eliminate the filibuster by making certain that it only took 51 votes, eventually, to pass a bill. This filibuster, according to the current majority leader in 2005, ``is a part of the fabric of this institution we call the Senate.'' Former Senator Obama said in the same year, ``If the majority,'' he then referred to the Republicans, ``chooses to end the filibuster, if they choose to change the rules and put an end to democratic debate, then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.''
We have agreements today that will begin to end fighting and gridlock, bring bills to the floor, having more amendments.
I urge a ``no'' vote on the proposal.
Mr. President, in his last appearance before the Rules
Committee, Senator Byrd quoted James Madison's description of this body as a necessary fence against rulers and transient impressions and said the right to filibuster anchors this necessary fence and we must never, ever tear down the only wall, the necessary fence, that the Nation has against these excesses.
This amendment does not tear down that fence, but it seriously weakens it. I recommend a ``no'' vote.
Mr. President, in his last appearance before the Rules Committee, Senator Byrd said:
Forceful confrontation to a threat to filibuster is
undoubtedly the antidote to the malady.
He also said:
I also know that current Senate rules provide the means to
break a filibuster.
If Senator Byrd, who knew the rules better than any of us, thought that, we don't need to change the rules.
I urge a ``no'' vote.