Madam Speaker, by the direction of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, I call up the report (H. Rept. 117-152) and accompanying resolution…
Madam Speaker, by the direction of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, I call up the report (H. Rept. 117-152) and accompanying resolution recommending that the House of Representatives find Stephen K. Bannon in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena duly issued by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol.
Madam Speaker, by direction of the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, I call up the resolution (H. Res. 730) recommending that the House of Representatives find Stephen K. Bannon in contempt of Congress for refusal to comply with a subpoena duly issued by the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol, and ask for its immediate consideration
Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on this measure.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, since Speaker Pelosi asked me to chair the January 6th Select Committee, I have spent a lot of time thinking about the importance of what we are doing, the weight of it, the urgency. We need to give the American people answers about what happened. There needs to be swift accountability. But there are longer-term considerations, too.
Madam Speaker, I am a grandfather, and when I talk to my grandkids about that horrific attack on our democracy on January 6, my mind jumps ahead to the future in store for them--questions about whether American democracy, as we know it now, will remain strong, whether it will withstand future tests.
That has to be the legacy of this committee's work. To be sure, we are going to answer questions about what happened on that day. But we also need to draw a roadmap for making sure our democracy remains strong tomorrow.
We will look backward at what happened and try to explain how and why the insurrection came about. But we will also look forward and generate recommendations for legislative policy and process changes that will help ensure that nothing like this ever happens again.
When we get to the end of this process and look back, we are going to ask ourselves: Did we do everything in our power to uncover every fact? Did we use the tools at our disposal to get a full accounting, or did we let someone stand in our way without facing consequences? Did we learn what we needed to know for Congress to forge legislation to help ensure we never experience another January 6 again?
That is why we are taking up this resolution today, citing Steve Bannon with criminal contempt and referring him for prosecution by the Justice Department.
We didn't choose to be here. This isn't about punishing Steve Bannon. The select committee would prefer and, frankly, expect all witnesses to fully cooperate. But Steve Bannon has led us down this path by refusing to cooperate in any way with our investigation.
We believe Mr. Bannon has information valuable to our probe. He was deeply involved in the so-called stop the steal campaign. He was reportedly in a war room meeting the day before the riot and had been pressuring the former President to try to stop the counting of the electoral college ballots.
He himself warned that ``all hell'' would break loose on January 6. We believe he can help inform our inquiry as to how the riot came together and what it was intended to achieve. He is clearly an important witness.
We subpoenaed him. And unlike other witnesses who have engaged and worked with our team to find a way to cooperate, Mr. Bannon told us he wouldn't comply because the former President told him not to. He hid behind vague and baseless claims of privilege. That is just not acceptable.
The select committee told Mr. Bannon several times that he would face the consequences if he didn't change course. Well, he didn't change course, and his actions have brought us to this point.
Madam Speaker, we need to make it clear that no person is above the law. We need to take a stand for the integrity of the select committee's investigation and for the integrity of this body.
What sort of precedent would it set for the House of Representatives if we allow a witness to ignore us flat out without facing any kind of consequences? What message would it send to other witnesses in our investigation?
I am not willing to find out. I am not willing to get to the end of the select committee's work and look back wishing we had done more to uncover all the facts, not when we know what is on the line, when we know that our democracy isn't yet out of danger, when we know that the forces that tried to overturn the election persist in their assault on the rule of law.
Our investigation is going forward. We are hearing from witnesses, reviewing documents, and analyzing data. Mr. Bannon stands alone in his defiance, and we will not stand for it. We will not allow anyone to derail our work because our work is too important: helping ensure that the future of American democracy is strong and secure.
Madam Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I heard the gentleman opposing this resolution. We are not actually seeking information from Mr. Bannon because of his opinions. We issued the subpoena because we believe he has knowledge of relevant facts that we need to discover. We are not violating anything and, certainly, not Mr. Bannon's First Amendment rights. The only violation we can talk about is the violation of this building on January 6, and Mr. Bannon's claim that the election was stolen helped foment that attack. Investigating that is also part of our charter.
Madam Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, in response to the gentleman from Illinois' statement, the first hearing of the select committee that we actually held interviewed four officers who put their lives on the line defending all of us who work here in this body. So I assure you, my directions to the committee have always been, we will look at all of the facts and circumstances surrounding what occurred.
We are genuinely interested in getting to the facts. We are working to get the answers. And that is why we are on the floor today, to get answers from Steve Bannon about what he knew, what he did leading up to January 6.
Also, to the gentleman from Indiana, I am glad he finally agrees that the select committee has a legitimate legislative purpose and that is why we are here today, pursuing that legislative purpose. So I am happy that the Record will reflect his comments.
Madam Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Mrs. Murphy), a valiant member of the select committee.
Madam Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kinzinger), an Iraq and Afghanistan Air Force veteran and a lieutenant colonel in the Air National Guard.
Madam Speaker, just for the record, again, the gentleman from Indiana referenced the whistleblower. We have not talked to the whistleblower, but we have talked to the whistleblower's lawyer. We are doing our work. So, clearly, since he is quoting Politico, I want him to just get the record straight.
Madam Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Virginia (Mrs. Luria), who served two decades in the Navy and was among the first women to serve in the Navy's nuclear power program.
Madam Chair, the vice chair of the committee put in the Record the fact that the FBI and Department of Justice declared no such thing in terms of January 6, so the assertion that somehow they have conducted an investigation is just not true.
Madam Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff), the distinguished chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time to close.
Over the last hour, we have heard a lot about what we are not debating today. The select committee is charged with investigating a deadly attack on the seat of our democracy and making recommendations to ensure it never happens again. I can't think of anything more serious, but many of our colleagues would rather talk about anything else.
I think I know why. I think they are performing for an audience of one.
I do, however, want to commend my colleagues on the select committee for laying out clearly why the House must cite Mr. Bannon for contempt. If our investigation is to succeed, if the House's constitutional authority to investigate and legislate is to remain robust, then we cannot let this man flout the laws with impunity.
The select committee is made up of people of character, of profound commitment to public service and our Constitution. They all elevate the committee's work.
I especially want to thank and acknowledge our vice chair, the gentlewoman from Wyoming (Ms. Cheney), for her leadership and partnership. There is no doubt in my mind that history will record her courage in stark relief.
History will record all of what we do here today. We can be on the right side or the wrong side. I urge all my colleagues to remember that as we cast this vote.
Madam Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, today the House has been deliberating on the criminal contempt of Congress citation of Steven K. Bannon reported from the Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol on Tuesday, October 19, 2021. This is a grave matter and not one the House takes lightly.
As I have said on many occasions, the Select Committee would prefer not to be in this position. We expect--and the law (2 U.S.C. Sec. 192) demands--witnesses comply with duly issued, lawful subpoenas of Congress. We lay out the factual record of Mr. Bannon's willful defiance of the Select Committee's September 23, 2021, subpoena in House Report 117-152.
There have been developments since the Report was written and adopted, and I memorialized some of those at the Select Committee's business meeting. To perfect the factual record in this case, I now include in the Congressional Record correspondence between myself and Mr. Bannon's attorney, Robert J. Costello, and further correspondence between the Office of White House Counsel and Mr. Costello, which states President Biden's position on issues relating to the subpoena to Mr. Bannon.
First, on Friday, October 15, 2021, I wrote Mr. Costello to reiterate to him and his client that the Select Committee would view Mr. Bannon's decision not to appear for his deposition as willful defiance that would lead to a business meeting of the Select Committee to consider a contempt report. I include that letter in the Record.
Select Committee To Investigate the January 6th Attack on
the United States Capitol,
October 15, 2021.
Mr. Robert J. Costello,
Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP,
* * *
Dear Mr. Costello: The Select Committee to Investigate the
January 6th Attack (``Select Committee'') is in receipt of
your October 13, 2021 letter (the ``October 13 letter''), in
which you reassert that your client, Stephen Bannon, will not
comply with the September 23, 2021 Subpoena to him for
documents and deposition testimony (the ``Subpoena''). As you
know, the Subpoena demanded that Mr. Bannon produce documents
by October 7, 2021 and appear on October 14, 2021 before the
Select Committee to provide deposition testimony on a wide
range of issues relating to the January 6, 2021 attack on the
United States Capitol, as well as plans to interfere with the
count of the 2020 Electoral College results. Mr. Bannon has
now willfully failed to both produce a single document and to
appear for his scheduled deposition. The Select Committee
believes that this willful refusal to comply with the
Subpoena constitutes a violation of federal law.
As justification for Mr. Bannon's complete failure to
comply with any portion of the Subpoena, you continue to rely
on ex-President Trump's stated intention to invoke executive
privilege with respect to Mr. Bannon, and Mr. Trump's
purported request that Mr. Bannon not produce documents to or
testify before the Select Committee. As was explained in the
Select Committee's October 8, 2021 letter (attached), the
former President has not communicated any such assertion of
privilege, whether formally or informally, to the Select
Committee. Moreover, we believe that any such assertion of
privilege--should it be made by the former President--will
not prevent the Select Committee from lawfully obtaining the
information it seeks.
Further, your letter makes no attempt to justify Mr.
Bannon's failure to comply with the Subpoena's demand for
documents and testimony on a range of subjects that do not
involve communications with the former President. As is clear
from the Subpoena and accompanying letter, and as underscored
in the Select Committee's October 8, 2021 response letter,
the Select Committee seeks documents and testimony on
numerous other matters, including Mr. Bannon's communications
with Members of Congress, presidential campaign
representatives, and other private parties concerning the
events of January 6, 2021, that could not conceivably be
barred by a privilege claim.
Moreover, even if the Select Committee were inclined to
accept the unsupported premise that executive privilege
reaches communications that the Select Committee seeks to
examine between President Trump and Mr. Bannon, Mr. Bannon
does not enjoy any form of absolute immunity from testifying
or producing documents in response to a Congressional
subpoena. Your citation to Committee on Judiciary v. McGahn,
415 F. Supp. 3d 148 (D.D.C. 2019) actually supports the
Select Committee, not your client. In McGahn, the district
court unequivocally held that even senior White House aides
are not entitled to absolute immunity from testifying in
response to a Congressional subpoena. Id. at 214 (``To make
the point as plain as possible, it is clear to this Court . .
. that, with respect to senior-level presidential aides,
absolute immunity from compelled congressional process simply
does not exist.''). Indeed, the footnote in McGahn that you
selectively quote makes clear that a President lacks legal
authority to order an aide not to appear before Congress
based on a claim of executive privilege. See Id. at 213, n.
34 (``But the invocation of the privilege by a testifying
aide is an order of magnitude different than DOJ's current
claim that the President essentially owns the entirety of a
senior-level aide's testimony such that the White House can
order the individual not to appear before Congress at all.''
(Emphasis in original)).
Accordingly, the Select Committee views Mr. Bannon's
failure to produce documents by the October 7, 2021 deadline
as willful non-compliance with the Subpoena. Mr. Bannon has
persisted in his refusal to produce any documents to the
Select Committee, and he has failed to provide a privilege
log identifying specific, asserted privileges. Mr. Bannon has
now further compounded his non-compliance by refusing to
appear on October 14, 2021 at the Select Committee deposition
to which he was summoned to provide testimony. The Select
Committee will therefore be meeting on Tuesday, October 19,
2021 to consider invoking the contempt of Congress procedures
set forth in 2 U.S.C. Sec. Sec. 192, 194.
If Mr. Bannon believes that there are any additional issues
relating to his non-compliance with the Subpoena that have
not been addressed, please submit them in writing to the
Select Committee by 6:00 p.m. E.S.T. on Monday, October 18,
2021 for the Select Committee's consideration in its
deliberations.
Sincerely,
Bennie G. Thompson,
Chairman.
Madam Speaker, at 6 p.m. on Monday, October 18, 2021, Mr. Costello replied to that letter and requested a 1-week ``adjournment'' to respond. Mr. Bannon's attorney said they needed time to ``assess'' the Select Committee's requests for documents and testimony in light of litigation filed by former President Trump in DC District Court. I include Mr. Costello's letter in the Record.
Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP,
Attorneys at Law, * * *,
October 18, 2021.
Re: The Subpoena for Stephen K. Bannon dated September 23,
2021.
Hon. Bennie G. Thompson,
Chairman, House Select Committee to Investigate the January
6th Attack,
Dear Congressman Thompson: We write on behalf of Stephen
Bannon. We have just been advised of the filing of a lawsuit
in federal court for the District of Columbia entitled Donald
J. Trump v. Bennie Thompson, et al., 21-Civ-02769 (D.D.C.
2021). In light of this late filing, we respectfully request
a one-week adjournment of our response to your latest letter
so that we might thoughtfully assess the impact of this
pending litigation.
Very truly yours,
Robert J. Costello.
Madam Speaker, the former President's lawsuit, however, is immaterial to Mr. Bannon's defiance of our lawful subpoena. As House Report 117-152 makes clear, Mr. Bannon had a duty to produce documents and appear before the Select Committee. His flat refusal to comply with the subpoena is unacceptable. I made that clear in a letter to Mr. Costello before the Select Committee's business meeting on Tuesday, October 19, 2021. I include in the Record my response to Mr. Costello's October 18th letter.
Select Committee To Investigate the January 6th Attack on
the United States Capitol,
October 19, 2021.
Mr. Robert J. Costello,
Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP,
Dear Mr. Costello: The Select Committee to Investigate the
January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol (``Select
Committee'') is in receipt of your October 18, 2021, letter
requesting a one-week ``adjournment'' of your response to my
October 15, 2021, letter. The only basis for your request is
yesterday's filing of litigation by former President Trump
against the Chairman, Select Committee, Archivist of the
United States, and the National Archives and Records
Administration. That litigation relates to the Select
Committee's requests for documents in the possession of the
National Archives and is immaterial to the Select Committee's
demand for documents and testimony from Mr. Bannon. The
investigation of the Select Committee is extremely important
and urgent for the nation, and further delay in compliance by
Mr. Bannon undermines the ability of the Committee to timely
complete its essential responsibilities. Accordingly, no
grounds exist for any ``adjournment'' or other delay and your
request is denied.
Sincerely,
Bennie G. Thompson,
Chairman.
Madam Speaker, meanwhile, with regard to Mr. Bannon's claims that executive privileges somehow precluded his production or appearance pursuant to the Select Committee's subpoena, on Monday, October 18, 2021, the Office of White House Counsel wrote a letter to Mr. Costello and specifically stated that ``at this point we are not aware of any basis for [Mr. Bannon's] refusal to appear for a deposition.'' It further stated that President Biden ``has already determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in the public interest, and therefore is not justified, with respect to certain subjects within the purview of the Select Committee.'' I include the full White House letter in the Record.
The White House,
Washington, DC, October 18, 2021.
Robert J. Costello,
Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP,
* * *.
Dear Mr. Costello: I write regarding the subpoena for
documents and deposition testimony issued on September 23,
2021, by the House Select Committee to Investigate the
January 6th Attack on the United States Capitol (the ``Select
Committee'') to your client, Stephen K. Bannon.
As you are aware, Mr. Bannon's tenure as a White House
employee ended in 2017. To the extent any privileges could
apply to Mr. Bannon's conversations with the former President
or White House staff after the conclusion of his tenure,
President Biden has already determined that an assertion of
executive privilege is not in the public interest, and
therefore is not justified, with respect to certain subjects
within the purview of the Select Committee. Specifically,
President Biden determined that an assertion of executive
privilege is not justified with respect to a set of documents
shedding light on events within the White House on and about
January 6, 2021, and with respect to documents
and testimony concerning the former President's efforts to
use the Department of Justice to advance a false narrative
that the 2020 election was tainted by widespread fraud.
President Biden's determination that an assertion of
privilege is not justified with respect to these subjects
applies to your client's deposition testimony and to any
documents your client may possess concerning either subject.
Please contact me if you have questions about the matters
described herein. Please note, however, that at this point we
are not aware of any basis for your client's refusal to
appear for a deposition.
Sincerely,
Jonathan C. Su,
Deputy Counsel to the President.
Madam Speaker, after the Select Committee's October 19th business meeting, I wrote to Mr. Costello yet again to urge Mr. Bannon to change course and comply with the Select Committee's subpoena of September 23, 2021. I reiterated that Mr. Costello's stated reasons for Mr. Bannon's flat refusal to provide documents and appear at a deposition have no legal basis or support. I provided him with a link to the Select Committee's adopted report on a contempt citation to review the detailed basis for our recommendation to the House. I include my October 19th letter in the Record.
Select Committee To Investigate the January 6th Attack on
the United States Capitol,
October 19, 2021.
Mr. Robert J. Costello,
Davidoff Hutcher & Citron LLP,
* * *.
Dear Mr. Costello: I write yet again to urge your client
Stephen K. Bannon to change course and comply with the
September 23, 2021, subpoena from the Select Committee to
Investigate the January 6th Attack on the United States
Capitol (``Select Committee'').
As explained in our prior correspondence, your stated
reasons for Mr. Bannon's flat refusal to provide documents
and appear at a deposition have no legal basis or support.
Because of Mr. Bannon's continued refusal to comply with the
subpoena, the Select Committee has unanimously voted to
recommend that the House of Representatives find Mr. Bannon
to be in contempt of Congress. The detailed basis for that
recommendation is contained in the Select Committee's report,
a copy of which is available at the following link: https:// docs.house.gov/Committee/Calendar/ ByEvent.aspx?EventID=114156. Should the House of
Representatives agree with that recommendation, the Speaker
of the House will certify the relevant statement of facts to
the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia,
``whose duty it shall be to bring the matter before the grand
jury for its action.'' See 2 U.S.C. Sec. 194.
Additionally, President Biden's recently communicated views
relating to your client's reliance on executive privilege as
a basis for his non-compliance provide further support for
the Select Committee's position. As you know, in its October
18, 2021, letter, the Office of the White House Counsel
concluded that ``at this point we are not aware of any basis
for [Mr. Bannon's] refusal to appear for a deposition.'' The
letter further noted that President Biden has ``already
determined that an assertion of executive privilege is not in
the public interest, and therefore is not justified, with
respect to certain subjects within the purview of the Select
Committee.'' In short, the current President's statements
should remove any doubt regarding the inappropriateness of
Mr. Bannon's reliance on assertions of executive privilege as
grounds for his noncompliance with the subpoena. Mr. Bannon
has no basis in law to continue to defy the appropriate use
of congressional subpoena authority.
These developments underscore the folly of any continuing
defiance of the Select Committee subpoena by Mr. Bannon. The
Select Committee remains focused on expeditiously obtaining
the testimony and documents necessary to meet our
responsibilities and we continue to expect immediate
compliance by Mr. Bannon. Should Mr. Bannon choose to change
his posture, please notify Select Committee staff * * *.
Sincerely,
Bennie G. Thompson,
Chairman.
Madam Speaker, the importance of our investigation, and the recommendations we make for legislative and other policy changes that result from our investigation, require the participation of witnesses who have clear knowledge of the events leading up to and during the January 6th attack. Mr. Bannon's own actions in defiance of our lawful subpoena for a valid legislative purpose demand the consequences reflected in the House resolution citing him with contempt and referring his case to the Department of Justice.