Mr. President, before I respond in a specific way to the amendment before us, everything Senator Graham said about Ottumwa, IA, is accurate, I believe. Obviously, when anyone in America loses a job, it is a very personal hurt to that…
Mr. President, before I respond in a specific way to the amendment before us, everything Senator Graham said about Ottumwa, IA, is accurate, I believe. Obviously, when anyone in America loses a job, it is a very personal hurt to that individual, particularly if they liked their job and if they had been in that job for a long period of time, and particularly if they were older people and not looking to retrain or even spend the time and investment in retraining.
So considering those personal hurts, and not without proper regard for the economic consequences of people hurt by being laid off, it is a simple matter, not only in the United States but all over the world, that there are less jobs in manufacturing than previously. It is mostly because of the enhanced productivity in manufacturing. When people can get machines to do work that individuals do, obviously, that enhances productivity and it is done for the sole purpose of being more accurate and cutting down on the number of jobs--also, not to denigrate productivity, because productivity being enhanced is the only way in America or anyplace else in the world you are going to increase the standard of living of Americans.
When you increase productivity, people become more productive, they earn more money, and their standard of living goes up. We want that for everybody. So enhancing productivity is very basic to the increasing of the standard of living.
Now, there are fewer jobs in manufacturing today than there have ever been. But manufacturing is still a very major component of our economy. It is still around 15, 16 percent of our economy, I believe. If you go back 40 or 50 years, it was probably 20 or 21 percent of the economy. But there was a period of time when we lost 2 million jobs in manufacturing during the 1980s, and we still had manufacturing as 20 percent of the economy. So manufacturing is very important, but it is maintaining its importance with less jobs doing the work that needs to be done to manufacture whatever we want in America.
Now, several times on this issue I have quoted former Secretary of Labor Reich from the Clinton administration. He is now a professor at Harvard, I believe. He wrote on December 26 of last year in the Wall Street Journal about the problems of manufacturing and declining employment in manufacturing. Secretary Reich pointed out that, yes, America has 10-percent fewer jobs in manufacturing now than they did in the previous benchmark. But he also pointed out during that same period of time, whereas the United States lost 10 percent of their manufacturing jobs, China had lost 15 percent of their jobs in manufacturing. So you see, even though we are legitimately concerned about outsourcing of manufacturing going to China, we are also seeing China finding ways to be more efficient in their manufacturing.
It is quite obvious, if you look at this historically, that this is progress: enhancing productivity to raise wages to raise the standard of living.
This is not the era of Luddites, when people are going to go into factories and smash machinery because they think it is taking jobs away from people. If the Luddite philosophy were legitimate, we would still be making the common pin by hand.
We are producing by machine so we can enhance productivity to enhance wages to enhance the standard of living. The American people would not be satisfied today with 96 percent of the American population being on farms, as it was in 1790 when this country was a brand new country. Today about 2 percent of the people in the United States are producing the food for the
other 98 percent, and each farmer produces for 145 people. The United States exports about 40 percent of its food and farm products, because we cannot consume it domestically.
Whether it is in manufacturing or whether it is in farming, if 5 percent of the market is the American people, then we are not going to have a very high standard of living. The other 95 percent of the market are the people outside the United States of America. If we still had 96 percent of the people in America involved in farming, we would have a subsistence level of livelihood.
We have to accept the fact that every month in America, 7 million jobs go out of existence and 7 million new jobs come into existence. In that process, people are more productive, make higher wages, and have a higher standard of living, and not just for some of our people but for all of our people.
The only people in America who might not have a higher standard of living are those we have kept down, and this Congress is responsible for keeping welfare recipients down, keeping them out of mind, out of sight to the edge of society. But we established a principle of welfare reform in 1996 to move people from the edge of society in welfare to the world of work, to the mainstream of American society, because it is in the world of work where they have opportunities for enhanced productivity, for enhanced wages that will raise their standard of living. Except for welfare recipients, people in the world of work are producing more now than before to enhance their standard of living.
It seems to me that when we have 7 million jobs going out of existence 1 month and 7 million new jobs coming into existence in the same month, it says better than anything I can say about how rapidly our economy is changing, much more rapidly today than ever in the history of our country. It might even change more rapidly in the future.
For people who abhor the fact that we are losing manufacturing jobs, then you have to ask, what do we do to maintain those manufacturing jobs? The basic bill we are dealing with, the jobs and manufacturing bill, tries to do it two ways: one, to staunch the bleeding in jobs leaving manufacturing. It is enhanced now because we have a European tax on our exports to Europe so that our manufacturers cannot be competitive in Europe and, hence, people are being laid off.
That European tax on our exports is legal and started in March. We started debating this bill in March. We could have had this bill passed in March. We could have had the European tax behind us because once we pass this legislation, there is no legal basis for their putting the tax on our exports to their country.
In the same vein, the jobs a manufacturing bill will reduce the level of taxation on corporations from 35 percent down to 32 percent. One of the reasons we lose jobs in manufacturing to the global competition is that our cost to capital is very high in relationship to our global competition. So in reducing the corporate tax by 3 percent and doing it in a revenue-neutral way so it does not worsen the deficit, we have an opportunity to create jobs in manufacturing, make what jobs we have more secure, and continue to enhance the productivity of workers in America.
I hope we remember that we do have a rapidly changing society. Our people welcome an enhanced standard of living that comes from increased wages, which comes from increased productivity. And they want that to continue. That is why I am concerned about the amendment of the Senator from Florida that is before us. That is why I am going to ask my colleagues to consider my views on this amendment and, hopefully, disagree with Senator Graham and defeat the amendment and move on and get this bill passed. That 5-percent tax put on in March, increased to 6 percent in April, and it is 7 percent now in May. It is going to be 12 percent by election time. Are we going to continue to have an environment where people can be laid off?
Senator Graham may have an idea that is legitimate to discuss, but right now in the environment we are in, in which there is an increasing burden put on our exports to Europe, it seems to me we ought to forgo this discussion, which ought to come at another time when Senator Graham's amendment could fit in. We need to get this legislation passed. This legislation is a bipartisan bill. Not often do we get this bipartisan cooperation in the Senate. We ought to take it and run with it.
His amendment proposes to enact a new wage tax credit and pay for it by striking the manufacturing rate cut--that cut from 35 percent down to 32 percent about which I just spoke--and he would also strike all of the international provisions that are in this bill, international provisions to which we try to bring a more rational approach to the taxation of American business in international trade.
Evidently, the Senator from Florida believes a payroll tax credit that reduces employer contributions to the Social Security trust fund will create more jobs than a manufacturing rate cut. Payroll tax credits have long been controversial. I always thought market demand and the ability to compete in that market is what created jobs. If an employer sees an opportunity and goes after that opportunity, then they will add employees to meet demand, but I do not see how a tax credit creates market opportunity.
I thought that tax relief, tax reductions, and the lower burden imposed by having the Government as a silent business partner is what enhances a company's competitiveness, which then in turn would lead to more opportunity.
This JOBS bill before us now contains a 3-point reduction in corporate tax for manufacturing, not across the board. The chart behind me shows the corporate tax rates on manufacturing income for the European Union and for the United States. I thought this chart would be interesting for comparison since the United States and the European Union are both highly developed wage and skilled countries.
This chart shows that on average the European Union tax rate on manufacturing is 21 percent, while that in the United States is 24 percent. That is averages. So do not get that confused with the 35 down to the 32 I am talking about.
It is necessary to pass this 3-point reduction in corporate tax rates which is in this JOBS bill to keep the United States even with these European countries. So being a believer that competitiveness breeds job growth, I fail to see how a wage credit in lieu of a tax cut can produce more jobs if U.S. manufacturers remain burdened with a significantly higher rate of tax than their main competitors.
After arriving on the Senate floor, I received a copy of a ``dear colleague'' letter from Senator Graham of Florida and Senator Dayton of Minnesota. That letter says production outsourced to a foreign country qualifies for manufacturing deduction.
That is not right. Our bill does not do that. The 3-point rate cut only applies to income from U.S.-based manufacturing. It does not apply to foreign manufacturing of any type. So the fundamental premise of the Graham amendment is in error.
Senator Graham also implies contract manufacturing qualifies for the manufacturing deduction. This is not correct. We specifically rejected allowing a company to take a deduction for manufacturing that someone else does for them, regardless of whether the contract manufacturer is located in the United States or offshore.
If we allowed contract manufacturing to qualify, it would be a double dip. We were lobbied on this and we rejected that. So, again, a fundamental assumption of the amendment is in error.
The Senator from Florida also criticizes the wage limitation. This limit is there to ensure manufacturing jobs are created. If they do not grow jobs, then their manufacturing deduction is diminished. If their assembly lines are filled with robots instead of people, then the deduction is limited. So if one wants more hiring, this is the way to get it done. That is what the wage limit accomplishes.
All of the fundamentals underlying his amendment are in error. I think they are a mischaracterization of the underlying bill.
There is, however, an even more disturbing aspect of the amendment before us. Senators have heard me come to the floor many times to talk about the bipartisan development of the JOBS bill. Its construction began when Senator Baucus was chairman of the Senate Finance Committee. Senator
Baucus held hearings in July 2002 to address the FSC/ETI controversy within the World Trade Organization.
During this hearing, Senator Graham of Florida, now on the Senate floor with us, and Senator Hatch as well, expressed concern about how our international tax laws were impairing the competitiveness of U.S. companies. After some discussion on forming a blue ribbon commission to study this problem, we all decided decisive action was more important than setting up a commission.
During that hearing, Chairman Baucus formed an international tax working group that was joined by Senator Graham, Senator Hatch, and this Senator. This bipartisan Finance Committee working group formed the basis for the bill that is now before us.
There is not one provision in this JOBS bill that was not agreed to by both Republicans and Democrats, not one. But today a member of that bipartisan working group offers an amendment that would destroy this bipartisan consensus on the provisions of the JOBS bill.
Why? The JOBS bill includes the international tax simplification measures that were recommended in the Joint Committee on Taxation April 2001 report on tax simplification. There was no constituency for these simplifications. No governmental affairs representative came to our office to advocate for them.
No, the person who asked for them was the Senator from Florida. Senator Graham emphasized the desire to include these simplification measures in the bill, and we did that. The Senator from Florida preferred simplification over restructuring and wanted the emphasis of our bill to be on foreign tax credit reforms. We honored his views because that is what our bill does in the bipartisan spirit of this legislation.
That Senator expressed concern about the 90-percent foreign tax credit limit on AMT, the alternative minimum tax, and he wanted the 10- 50 basket problems solved. We did both of these things in this bill.
The Senator from Florida even sought reductions on a number of foreign tax credit baskets, but the working group decided that was too significant of an international change to be accepted by the full Senate. I hope when we vote on this amendment the Senator will back up our decision on that because this bill was reported out of committee on a bipartisan 19-to-2 vote. The Senator from Florida voted for this bill in the Finance Committee.
Today, these priorities are no longer important. To me, this is very confusing and it is quite a difficult development for me to understand.
As I have said before, we acted in the best of faith to produce a bill that protects American manufacturing jobs and ensures our companies remain the global competitors we want them to be. We did this in a fully bipartisan manner. That is what the American people expect us to do on such an important issue as manufacturing jobs and our national economic health.
As a practical matter, the only way to get a bill through this Senate is to do it in a bipartisan way. But these efforts are apparently not enough or we would not have this amendment before us.
I hope we can defeat this amendment and move on because Senator Baucus and I have a real sense of optimism that this week there is very definitely an optimistic point of view, particularly from the other side, that this legislation needs to be passed and that considering the fact we spent considerable time on it in March, and some time on it in April, and we have had these European taxes going on our exports, growing 1 percent a month. It is a bad situation.
We hope the optimism we sensed yesterday will be repeated today, and one way to help us along is to help us defeat this amendment.
I yield the floor.
I yield to the Senator from Montana whatever time he might consume. I have not asked other people on my side if they want time.
I yield whatever time the Senator may consume.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
I yield the Senator from Montana whatever time he might consume.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I yield 3 minutes of my time to the Senator from Nevada and 2 minutes to the Senator from California, Mrs. Boxer.
Mr. President, I want to speak against the Dorgan amendment. I yield myself such time as I might consume. Before I speak specifically to the amendment, since I heard the Senator from North Dakota express his concerns--and legitimate concerns--about jobs going overseas, I think there might be some suggestion in this amendment that this bill doesn't deal with moving jobs overseas.
This amendment is all about preserving manufacturing jobs in America and creating more manufacturing jobs in America, because the basis for this legislation is that there is no benefit in this bill from the reduction of the corporate tax from 35 percent down to 32 percent for any organization that doesn't manufacture in the United States. So it applies to domestic manufacturers that are manufacturing in the United States, not domestic manufacturers that manufacture overseas. It also applies to companies overseas--foreign companies--that would come to the United States and invest here, create jobs here, and hire people in America to manufacture here.
There is a lot of concern expressed about moving jobs overseas. I don't denigrate any of those concerns. But that is what the debate on this legislation has been all about for 1 whole week during the month of March, a few days during April, and now again this week. During that period of time of stalling, we have had a 5-percent European tax put on our exports to Europe--a percent again in April, and now a third movement of 1 more percent. That is going to go on every month. Even if we pass this bill this very minute, this bill probably won't be signed by the President for another month or so. We are going to continue to have this terrible European tax put on our exports there.
I emphasize for listeners who ask, how can they do that? Well, it is legal under international trade agreements. The reason it is legal is because we are trying to change our tax laws to conform with our international agreements--international agreements that this body has already adopted.
So we are dealing with these amendments--probably very legitimate ones--but we have had amendments put before this bill that have kept this bill long enough on the agenda so that we are already 77 percent less competitive than we used to be with our global competition doing business in Europe.
So why are we here? We are here with this underlying piece of legislation to preserve and create more jobs in America.
We have heard the Senator from North Dakota make a very impassioned case for American workers whose jobs have been lost when U.S. plants move overseas. We have all witnessed this heart-wrenching event. I know that my home State of Iowa has had plant closings or some parts of production move overseas. Unfortunately, this amendment will not do one doggone thing to bring those jobs back. In fact, it could very well cost even more U.S. jobs.
I will explain my concerns by first examining his amendment. This amendment repeals deferral for property imported into the U.S. by foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies, even without regard to whether that property was ever previously produced, manufactured, or grown in the United States. This means the amendment doesn't focus on their primary complaint that U.S. companies are shutting their plants, moving production offshore, and selling back into the United States.
The bill does not focus on this scenario. Instead, it overshoots the mark by hitting all goods sold into the United States by U.S. companies, even if it is impossible for those goods to first be produced in the United States.
I will give an example. If a produce company sets up a banana farm in Costa Rica to import bananas into the United States and around the world, the income from sales to the United States are not eligible for deferral. I may be mistaken, but I am not aware of too many banana farmers in Texas or Florida. So I do not see how deferring taxes on a banana farm in Costa Rica is going to cost the United States jobs.
Similarly, if a U.S. company wanted to start a mining operation in some far away land to extract a new and exotic mineral that is not found here at home, they can sell that anywhere in the world, but they could not and cannot import that back into the United States without triggering this amendment.
How about coffee? The only place I know we grow coffee in the United States is in Hawaii, and that was 25 years ago. Maybe they do not even grow it there now. We have lots of coffee shops on our streets these days. If they set up their own coffee plantation
in Brazil, they would get hit under this amendment that is before us. I do not know whether we raise coffee anywhere else in the United States, but we sure do not raise it in Iowa.
It appears the amendment of Senator Dorgan and Senator Mikulski would allow a U.S. company to sell foreign goods to anyone in the world except to America. That does not make sense to me.
I have described how the bill would operate, but I do not think that is the intent of this legislation. What I believe is intended is that deferrals should be denied if a company closes a U.S. plant, produces the goods offshore, and then imports the goods back into the United States. This does not actually happen very often. The latest Department of Commerce data on U.S. multinationals shows that only 7 percent of foreign subsidiary sales were into the United States.
Nevertheless, this amendment insists that the rule of deferral in our tax law is somehow a tax benefit that moves jobs offshore and allows a company to not pay taxes on foreign income.
Of course, this is not true. Deferral has nothing to do with moving jobs, and it never forgives taxes that are owed on foreign products of U.S. companies. The rule of deferral exists to keep U.S. companies competitive in the global marketplace. Let me repeat. The rule of deferral exists to keep U.S. companies competitive in the global marketplace, and it has been that way in our tax laws since 1918. For 85 years it has been the law.
We are going to hear a great deal about deferrals this week. We will hear wild accusations about how this rule, which has been in place since 1918, spells doom for American workers. None of this is true. In fact, just the opposite is true. By enhancing the international competitiveness of U.S. companies, deferral ensures an ever-growing base of opportunity for U.S. companies and their employees at home and abroad.
U.S. multinationals are a critical component of our economy. These companies operate in virtually every industry and have investments of more than $13 trillion in facilities located across our great country.
As employers, they provided 23 million jobs for Americans in 2001, nearly 18 percent of the payrolls in the country. With a payroll in excess of $1.1 trillion, U.S. multinationals create more than 53 percent of the manufacturing jobs in America and employ more than two U.S. employees for every foreign worker.
During the 10 years between 1991 and 2001, U.S. multinationals increased domestic employment at a faster rate than the overall economy. We have a recent study confirming that U.S. multinationals are significant job creators, and those jobs are not created through exporting jobs to foreign nations with low labor and low tax costs, as the amendment infers.
The Department of Commerce data shows that the bulk of U.S. investment abroad occurred in high-income, high-wage countries. In the year 2001, 79 percent of the foreign assets and 67 percent of foreign employment of U.S. multinationals were located in high-income, developed nations, such as Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, Japan, New Zealand, Singapore, South Africa, and the countries of the European Union.
We have to remind ourselves that corporations are comprised of people. People like good roads, safe water, reliable power grids, and stable societies. That is the only kind of environment where business can flourish. So it is only rational that if a U.S. corporation is going to make a foreign investment, it is going to make the safest investment possible. That means going to fully developed countries with thriving markets and highly paid workers.
We also have to remember a simple maxim for why companies go into foreign markets: You have to be there to sell there.
Today, fully 95 percent of the world's population and 80 percent of the purchasing power is located outside the United States. In other words, the United States is 5 percent of the world's population. But if we want to sell, we go where the people are. Ninety-five percent of the people are outside the United States. If you want to make sales, you go where the people are.
We have an instance in which foreign sales growth has outstriped domestic sales growth. So this increased growth requires increased foreign involvement. The good news is foreign growth also results in U.S. job growth.
A recent study confirmed that during the 10 years, 1991 through 2001, for every job U.S. multinationals created abroad, they created nearly two jobs in the United States in their parent corporation. That is why it is critical to our company that U.S. companies remain competitive in this international marketplace.
Let's review for a moment a more rational explanation for deferral and how it works to keep our U.S. companies competitive.
The United States taxes all of the worldwide income of its citizens and corporations. The U.S. income tax applies to all domestic and foreign earnings of U.S. companies. The United States fully taxes income earned overseas by foreign subsidiaries of U.S. companies. However, many foreign countries tax their companies on a territorial basis, meaning they only tax income earned within their country's borders and do not impose tax on the earnings of foreign subsidiaries.
Countries that use a territorial system, such as Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Luxembourgian, the Netherlands, Sweden, and Switzerland, among other countries, have a great advantage over a U.S. company.
We have to take that into consideration. The tax system is the cost of operation, and if we do not have a more level playing field for our companies, how do we expect to compete in this world marketplace?
I will give an example. A U.S. company with a Singapore subsidiary will pay U.S. tax and a Singapore tax on the subsidiary's income. A French company with a Singapore subsidiary will pay Singapore tax but not any tax in Paris. That means the U.S. company in Singapore has a higher tax burden than the French company in Singapore. Two basic tax rules answer this problem and seek to put U.S. companies on a level playing field with foreign competitors from territorial countries.
The first rule says when foreign income is brought home, the U.S. allows a reduction against U.S. tax for any foreign tax paid on that income. This foreign tax credit prevents the U.S. from double-taxing foreign earnings. Does anybody believe in double taxing?
In effect, that would make our companies noncompetitive in this international marketplace. Like deferral, this too has been on the tax laws of the United States since 1918. The foreign tax credit is limited. It may only offset up to 35 percent of the U.S. corporate tax. If the foreign tax rate is higher, the credit stops where we stop taxing corporations at 25 percent. If the credit is lower, say 10 percent, then an additional U.S. tax will be owed up to the full 35 percent. In this example, the additional 25 percent of taxes would be owed to the U.S., which is the difference between the 10 percent and our 35-percent top rate.
The second basic tax rule is U.S. companies are allowed to defer U.S. tax on income from the active business operation of a foreign subsidiary until that income is brought back to the United States, and that is usually brought back in the form of a dividend paid to the U.S. parent. This is referred to as the rule of deferral, meaning the U.S. tax is deferred until the earnings are brought back. This is the rule this amendment attacks.
It is important to note deferral is not a forgiveness of a tax. It simply means we impose full U.S. tax tomorrow instead of today. We do not forgive tax under deferral because we do not want to create incentives to move operations offshore. The reason we defer tax on active business operations is so U.S. companies can remain competitive with foreign companies, from those countries that have a territorial tax system.
We do not defer tax on passive activities such as setting up an offshore bank account. We tax passive activities yearly, and active operations are subject to competitive disadvantage. For example, if we impose U.S. tax today on the profits of a Singapore subsidiary, then a U.S. company will pay 35-percent U.S. taxes plus any Singapore taxes, but the French competitor located next door will only pay the Singapore tax and not the Paris tax.
If a Singapore tax rate is less than the 35-percent U.S. tax rate, then the
French competitor will have a tax advantage. This is because the U.S. allows the foreign tax credit offset against U.S. income tax imposed on those foreign earnings but only up to a 35-percent top corporate rate.
If the foreign rate is less than the U.S. 35-percent rate, then residual U.S. taxes are owed on the difference between the U.S. and foreign rates.
In another example, if the Singapore tax is 15 percent and the U.S. tax 35 percent, then the U.S. will impose an additional 20-percent tax on those Singapore earnings. The French company, however, will only pay 15 percent Singapore tax, no tax in Paris.
If we did not allow deferral of that additional 20-percent tax, then the U.S. company today would have to pay 20-percent tax compared to the French company. The question on repealing deferral is whether we want to hand over the world markets to companies from France and Germany.
This amendment is being offered presumably to save jobs in America, but when we have a tax system like they want, there is going to be an incentive for moving those jobs. Repealing deferral means we export our high U.S. tax rates to U.S. operations around the globe.
The U.S. has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. There are very few countries with higher marginal corporate rates. This means without deferral, U.S. companies will be at a continual worldwide disadvantage compared to their foreign competitors. That is why we defer U.S. tax on active business operations, to allow U.S. companies to be competitive in the global marketplace.
Some Senators today propose repealing deferral or cutting back. These proposals would export the high U.S. tax rate to U.S. operations around the world. That would be fine if all companies around the world were paying the high U.S. tax rate, but they are not. Companies of foreign countries are not subject to our tax laws and are usually taxed at a lower rate.
That brings us back then to the implications of the amendment before the Senate. Our focus in considering this amendment must be on the ability of American companies to compete within the United States. The issue is not whether we tax foreign earnings currently but whether we cede the U.S. market to foreign competition: You compete or you die.
The Dorgan-Mikulski amendment will increase taxes on U.S. companies, but their foreign competitors in the United States will not face a similar tax increase. This can lead to a loss of domestic market share, or even if market share is maintained losses may be incurred on domestic sales because of pricing pressures and uncompetitive margins created by the additional tax burden.
The best measure of an economic impact of their tax increase is the very concerns Senators Dorgan and Mikulski cite in debating their amendment, whether U.S. employment levels of the U.S. companies will drop after this additional tax is imposed. This goes to the issue of whether salespeople, purchasing agents, line workers, or others could lose their jobs if the Dorgan-Mikulski tax increase is imposed on companies' imports.
Keep in mind their amendment would attack imports of bananas from Costa Rica and coffee from Brazil. That is going to cost U.S. jobs. The amendment will kill U.S. jobs and the amendment is defeating its own purpose and should not be supported in the Senate.
If the objective of Senators Dorgan and Mikulski is to ensure companies do not reduce U.S. employment by round-tripping production, then it is equally important to ensure their tax increase does not reduce U.S. employment.
Increasing taxes on U.S. companies will not bring those jobs back to America. A company will only pay taxes if the company is profitable, and they will only stay profitable if they remain competitive in their markets. But in the United States, taxes are a 35-percent cost to profit, and that is where a competitiveness disadvantage can occur when the U.S. company is competing against foreign companies that will not incur this tax increase.
Senator Baucus and I, in trying to develop this bipartisan bill that is before us, held hearings last July regarding the effects of international competition within the United States. So I think we have a right to believe we are very familiar with the domestic effects of these kinds of rate differentials.
I would like to close with a quote from Joseph Guttentag, International Tax Counsel for the Clinton administration. He gave this testimony before the Senate Finance Committee 9 years ago, July 21, 1995. He said this:
Current U.S. tax policy generally strikes a reasonable
balance between deferral and current taxation in order to
ensure that our tax laws do not interfere with the ability of
our companies to be competitive with their foreign-based
counterparts.
I hope a statement from another administration, particularly from a recent Democratic administration, the Clinton administration, will carry a lot of weight with both Republicans and Democrats in helping to defeat this amendment on which we will soon be voting.
I hope Senators will join me in voting against the job losses that will result from this amendment and this tax increase that comes on American business with this amendment.
Mr. President, I think I have about 3\1/2\ minutes. I am going to take 1\1/2\ minutes for myself, and then I hope Senator Kyl will get over here. He asked me for 2 minutes. Then that would use up our time.
The first reaction to the response to my remarks that I have that I want to clear up is that the author of the amendment speaks to the point that it only hits imports coming into the United States if a company moved overseas. The fact is--it may be a flaw in the way it is written--this amendment hits all imports coming into the United States.
The second point is, it was stated that this was not a tax increase. This amendment raises $6.5 billion. In my judgment, when you change tax law and you bring revenue in, that is a tax increase.
The second issue regarding Huffy moving overseas, the response to that is, their competition is in China and Taiwan. Companies have to do what they can to meet the competition. Would they rather have a Huffy company that existed as a U.S. corporation competing with China and Taiwan manufacturers or would they rather have the whole company go out of business? If you do not meet your competition, you do not compete you die.
Then there was reference to the fact the GAO report says 61 percent of companies did not pay taxes. That could be true. But that also includes new companies and it includes companies that maybe are dormant; in fact, it does include all of those.
Here is the significant thing about this GAO report: It says 96 percent of all large corporations in America pay tax.
We are back to the issue of what this amendment does or does not do. It does not do enough.
I have to ask the Presiding Officer if Senator Kyl does not arrive and I have 1 or 2 minutes remaining, what do I do? I want to save the time for him, if I can, under the rules of the Senate.
I yield the floor and save my time for Senator Kyl.
Mr. President, I don't have much time remaining, 2 minutes.
Could the Senator be kind enough to give him an additional minute and a half for our side? That is infinitesimal. We will argue for a minute and a half over it.
I yield Senator Kyl my remaining time.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, before we move on this amendment, I ask unanimous consent that there be 4 minutes of debate equally divided prior to the vote in relation to the Allard amendment.
Mr. President, I move to table the Dorgan amendment and ask for the yeas and nays.
I move to lay that motion on the table.
Madam President, first of all, there has been a very good working relationship between the two sides on this bill. That is very encouraging. I recognize that upfront.
In regard to the list of amendments, the fact that it is very short, with time agreements, is very good news. However, in that list of amendments, there are some that are nongermane, some that are very controversial, some on our side of the aisle we do not think are appropriate to be brought up on this legislation; and also a reminder that we have only dealt with two Republican amendments at this point and we have dealt with a lot of amendments on the other side. Now, there is nothing wrong with dealing with more amendments on one side than on the other, and we have been very fair in how we have approached this.
I don't have a response to the Senator from Nevada, the distinguished Democratic assistant leader. We intend to work very closely with him to see if we can get this bill to finality. In the same way we have gotten this far this week--we have made a great deal of progress--it is because we have had a good working relationship with the Senator from Nevada and the Senator from Montana.
I cannot state an agreement at this point. I yield the floor.
Madam President, to respond to the Senator from Massachusetts, first of all, not involving me but other people that are interested--I am interested--I have asked other members to see what could be negotiated. There are talks ongoing now that range from, hopefully, we can establish a couple other amendments for votes before that. Part of that discussion is seeing if we can reach an agreement on bringing up the amendment. However, I don't have anything to report to Senator Kennedy at this point.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate now proceed to a period of morning business with Senators permitted to speak for up to 10 minutes each.
Yes, I will. Madam President, I withdraw my unanimous consent request.
Madam President, I withdraw my unanimous consent request and yield the floor.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the Senate now proceed to a period of morning business, with Senators permitted to speak for up to 10 minutes each.
Limited to speaking, and no requests or anything like that?
My request would be so modified.