Thank you, Dr. Gingrey and also Madam Speaker. It is good to be here tonight to discuss a very important, and I believe, Dr. Gingrey and Madam Speaker, probably from a social standpoint, the most important issue that we will discuss, and…
Thank you, Dr. Gingrey and also Madam Speaker. It is good to be here tonight to discuss a very important, and I believe, Dr. Gingrey and Madam Speaker, probably from a social standpoint, the most important issue that we will discuss, and probably this health care debate is the most important one since the mid-sixties when Medicare was voted on.
Just to give you a little background, I am a native Tennessean, practiced medicine in Johnson City, Tennessee, in that region for 31 years, and really saw a tremendous change in the health care delivery system from 1970 when I graduated from medical school until the current. I really marvel myself at the miracles that occurred.
I recall when I was in medical school when St. Jude's Children's Hospital had just opened, it hadn't been there long, and the death rate among childhood cancers was 80-plus percent. Today, over 80 percent of those children survive and live and thrive.
We are having a debate on what kind of system best fits America and its personality, and I will share with you some things we have learned in Tennessee about a public and a private system.
What I hear when I am out talking to people is that, number one, they are worried about the cost of care. They are worried about the availability of it. And there is another whole discussion that we haven't had, which is accessibility.
As we age, as the medical population and caregivers age, there is going to be a huge problem of accessibility in this country. We are already seeing it in our own communities, where in the next 7 years we will need 1 million more registered nurses in America. In the next 8 to 10 years there will be more physicians retiring and dying than we are producing in this country.
Well, you know, that is not sustainable. You cannot maintain the quality of care that we have grown to expect and the medical advances we have grown to expect without practitioners. That is an entirely different issue, not part of this debate, but indeed very much a part of this debate.
In Tennessee, about 14 or 15 years ago we had Medicaid. We got a waiver to try a managed care system. Back in the eighties and nineties, managed care was going to be how we were going to control the ever- escalating health care costs. So it was a wonderful idea to try to provide care to as many Tennesseans as we could at as low a cost as we could.
What we did was we hastily put a plan together, as we are doing right here in this Congress right now. The most astounding thing I have ever heard in my life is in 60 days, or less than that, we are going to vote on a health care plan that affects every American citizen, 300 million of us. And your health care choices, as you know, are very personal choices. They are between you and your physician and your family.
So the plan was a managed care plan, and it was a very rich plan. It provided a lot of care for not much money, and for some people no money. What happened was that people made very logical choices. About 45 percent of the people who ended up on TennCare actually had private health insurance, but dropped it. Why did they drop their care? Well, you had a plan, this TennCare plan, which was cheaper, but provided more coverage, so therefore people made again a very conscious decision.
The problem with the plan is, as with every public plan so far, is it does not pay the cost of the care. That cost has been shifted over to the private sector. So when you look at your health insurance costs going up each year, you are paying or supplementing, a tax really, on your private health insurance premiums caused by the increased usage of the public plan.
In Tennessee, for instance, the TennCare plan covered about 60 percent of the cost of actually providing the care. If everyone in Tennessee had the TennCare plan, most providers would lock the door, throw the key away and walk away because they couldn't pay their bills. Medicare, another plan that we have, pays about 90 percent of the cost, and our uninsured pay somewhere in between.
Now, what I think will happen with this public plan is that once again, because politicians are involved in designing the plan, what will happen is more and more and more things will be promised about what will be covered in the plan, but when it comes to paying for it, and if we have time we can get in and discuss the Massachusetts plan a little bit, what will happen is you will have a Medicaid plan that doesn't pay the cost, you will have a Medicare plan that doesn't pay the cost, and you will have a public funded ``competitive'' plan that is subsidized by government but doesn't pay the full cost of the care, meaning more and more costs will be shifted on to the private payers.
Well, what will happen over time, I think, is that, again, individuals first, small businesses, 20, 30, 40, 50 in the business will say, We just can't afford this private continually escalating cost of private health insurance. And what will happen then is more will be shifted to the public plan, and over time you'll end up with a single- payer system. And a lot would say, and I've heard it argued here on the House floor, Well, so what? What's wrong with that? We have a government-run, one-payer health care system. What's the problem with that? Everybody has coverage. Well, everybody has a health insurance card, but that doesn't necessarily mean you can get health care. Don't confuse a plastic card that says you have coverage with actually getting care.
Well, what do I mean by that? Well, let me give you an example.
When President Clinton had his heart attack, he went to the hospital, had a heart attack. He was operated on several days later, I think 3 or 4 days, and probably the reason, in my opinion, he probably got a blood thinner that took a few days to get out of his system. And he was operated on and went home.
Had he had that heart attack in Canada, they would have said, Mr. Clinton, you can go home and in 117 days, that's the average amount of time it takes to get a bypass operation in Canada, you can come back and get your bypass operation.
Two weeks ago, I was in Morristown, Tennessee, talking to a physician there who is Canadian. His father began to have chest pain. I won't go through all the details about how long it took him to get a treadmill, how long it took him to see a cardiologist. Anyway, 11 months later, the man got--his left anterior descending coronary artery was 90 percent blocked, and he finally survived and got a bypass operation. I do not believe the American people are going to put up with that type of health care system. We are not.
The other thing that I think that's been so astonishing to me, and I know Dr. Gingrey and Dr. Fleming, you have seen this, and Dr. Broun also, are the medical advances. When I graduated from medical school, we had one cephalosporin antibiotic, one. That's a type of antibiotic we use in infection. There probably are 50 today.
There were about five antihypertensives, high blood pressure medicines, three of which caused severe side effects. I mean, it was almost better to have the high blood pressure than take this medicine. Today there are over 50, and the side effects have been reduced dramatically. People do so much better.
So there are a lot of reasons, and we can go to it, and I'm going to yield back some time now, Dr. Gingrey and Dr. Fleming, for comments. And I have some other comments about a single-payer system. It's a good idea, as you pointed out a moment ago, to try to cover as many people as we can in this Nation as inexpensively as we can, and I agree with that.
I yield back.
Would the gentleman yield?
Just a point right here. You were making an excellent point, Dr. Gingrey, about why you don't want the Federal Government to come between a patient and a doctor.
A veteran can go to an emergency room, have an electronic medical record at the VA, can show up somewhere in an emergency room, let's say, in our area we have a VA Hospital in Johnson City, and let's say he lives in Mountain City, Tennessee. He shows up there and the doctor in the emergency room at Mountain City does not have access to his VA record, to his electronic record that they have at the VA. Now, I think we can do better than that, and that's going on right now.
So that veteran who's up there with, maybe he's an elderly veteran, a World War II veteran with a very complicated medical history, that emergency room doctor is flying by the seat of his or her pants, and I think we can do better.
And again, the health care decisions should be made between a patient and a doctor. And I don't want to let the private insurers off the hook here. You and I know this, and Dr. Fleming, also.
I remember one of the last cases I did in practice before I retired to run for Congress, I spent almost as much time on the phone with a private insurer trying to get the case approved as I did actually doing a major surgical procedure. Now, that's the ridiculous item of the day when you do that, when you're not providing care to someone, you're arguing with a bureaucrat at the private health insurer.
I yield back.
Just a couple of comments.
Our colleague from California made great points. And I am going to ask the two of you who have been here for a while to discuss this Medicare part D discussion in just a moment. But he is correct. What happened was, when we created the TennCare plan in Tennessee, we are surrounded by eight States in the State of Tennessee, and we had a plan much richer than the surrounding States. So guess what happened? People came into the State. First of all, when we first put the plan out, all you had to have was a post office box. Well, there were a lot of post offices boxes that occurred, and a lot of people came into the State of Tennessee to get care.
The way the Governor handled that--and remember that government-run plans--and I want people to understand, this is a very important point--in Tennessee, when it was about to break the State, our Governor, along with the legislature, made some very tough decisions. They cut the rolls. They limited the number of people that were on the TennCare plan. In a plan in England or in Canada or other single-payer systems, what happens is you ration care, you create waits. For example, in Canada--and this is the head of the Canadian Medical Association, not Phil Roe saying this--but he said you could get your dog's hip replaced in a week in Canada, but it takes 2 to 3 years for a person to get their hip replaced in Canada. And I think you made that point this morning during 1 minutes.
It was. And I think the discussion, as I recall--and Dr. Fleming is absolutely right, there are not that many disagreements, it's who is controlling these health care decisions; is it a bureaucrat or is it the patient and a doctor? And I think that is where the big discussion is.
Now, as I recall, when the Medicare part D discussion came up, the problem was going to be--the argument I heard the other side make was that without this public option there wouldn't be enough competition, and therefore prices would go up. But was what happened in part D--and I'm not saying part D certainly is perfect, it's not--but what happened was, with a competitive market out there, that actually came in lower without the public option when you had the private option competing in the open market. And I believe the discussion among the Democrats was that without this public option, that wouldn't happen. Well, just the opposite happened.
And again, we have seen what happened in Tennessee, I don't want to go over it again. But I can assure you that it will be a plan that promises more than it can deliver for the funds that are available, and there will be two options. And you know what those options are, and that's long waits--and I just don't think the American people are interested, I know I'm not interested in that.
Will the gentleman yield?
Good points about the private versus the public sector. The private sector will always be more efficient and more responsive. And you have heard this story before, but when I began practice and when you did, Dr. Gingrey and Dr. Fleming also, when a patient came to me, and I took care of nothing but women, and when they came to me with breast cancer--which I unfortunately saw way too much of and our practice diagnosed about a case a week. It was that common or is that common.
And we just had a relay this weekend. In 1977 or so, the 5-year survival rate was about 50 percent, maybe a little bit better, but about 50 percent. And the big argument came: Do you do a disfiguring operation of a radical mastectomy or a lumpectomy? Because the survival rates were the same. So what has happened over that time is that now a patient can come to you or me or any of our colleagues and we can tell them that because of early detection, because of education, because of mammography, you're going to have a 98 percent survival rate in new medications. That is a wonderful story to tell. And I know no matter how tough the times are for that patient, you can look at them and say, You're going to be okay.
In the English system, they quit doing routine mammography. And why did they quit doing that? Screening mammograms aren't done anymore. Why? Well, because it costs more than the biopsies. Sometimes a test will tell us we have something when we don't have it. That's called a false positive. And the phone call that I love to make is to my patients to say, You do not have cancer. So this is one where they quit doing that because the cost of the biopsies was more than the screening. The best rates they had were 78 percent survivals, and those are going to go down if you use that technique.