I would like to give a short speech, if the distinguished manager of the bill would not mind. Mr. President, I say to my friend, I am not on the committee now, but I have been on the committee during a number of these highway bills. This…
I would like to give a short speech, if the distinguished manager of the bill would not mind.
Mr. President, I say to my friend, I am not on the committee now, but I have been on the committee during a number of these highway bills. This highway bill is one of the most important pieces of legislation that the Senate considers. One reason it is such a good exercise is that it forces bipartisanship. It is extremely important legislation. This is one issue on which Democrats and Republicans work together. I certainly wish my friend well. It is an important bill, as he and I know. We worked so hard last year to get it done, and for a lot of reasons it did not happen, but the Senator from Oklahoma has my good wishes on this most important bill for not only Nevada but the country.
Judicial Nominations
For the last several months, the Senate has operated under a cloud, a nuclear cloud. I would like to give just a brief history for those who are here today. Filibusters have been part of our history from the very beginning of our Republic. In the early years of our country, there were a number of filibusters, but there was no way to stop them. As a result of that, because of the filibuster, a lot of things were not accomplished that Senators wanted to accomplish. In fact, a number of very important Cabinet nominations did not happen because of the filibuster, and a number of judicial appointments in the early years of this Republic simply did not go anyplace because of the filibuster.
It was in 1917 that this body decided to change the rule so that there could be a way of ending filibusters. They decided that two- thirds of the Senators voting could stop a filibuster. Then, during the height of the civil rights movement in this country, the Senate decided to lower that threshold to 60, the way it has been since then.
We, of course, had filibusters of judges prior to 1917. We have had filibusters of judges since then. In recent years, we have had the person who was nominated to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Abe Fortas, who was a member of the Court, filibustered. He was not able to go forward. There are a number of other people who were nominated to be judges, specifically circuit court judges, and there were filibusters conducted by my friends, the Republicans. There were efforts made to stop those with cloture motions. The two that come to my mind are two judges from California.
I worked very hard on one of them--a man by the name of Richard Paez. The other was a woman by the name of Marsha Berzon. A cloture motion was filed, and cloture was granted as a result of 60 Senators voting for cloture.
My friend, the distinguished Republican leader, knows filibusters have been conducted because he voted against cloture. While he was a Member of the Senate, he voted against cloture on a circuit court judge. So for
people to say there has never been a filibuster of a judge is simply wrong. Twenty-five percent of all Supreme Court Justices have been rejected--not always by filibuster, but for various reasons. More than half the filibusters have been conducted by Republican Senators. I do not think that was unconstitutional.
During the tenure of this President, we have had 215 requests to have his nominations approved. We have approved 205 of them. We have turned down 10. That is a 95- to 97-percent confirmation rate, 10 rejected judges, 7 of whom are currently before the Senate. This does not seem reason enough for me, and I think for most people, to think that longstanding rules in the Senate should be changed.
Remember, everyone has to understand that to change the rules as anticipated with the so-called nuclear option, the majority would have to break the rules. The only way a rule change can be stopped when people want to talk--and that is, in effect, what is being done--is to change the rule. If somebody wants to talk, there must be the votes to stop that. That is not what the majority is talking about doing. They are talking about doing something illegal. They are talking about breaking the rules to change the rules, and that is not appropriate.
That is not fair, and it is not right.
The claim that there have been no filibusters, as I indicated, ignores history, including recent history. Throughout the years, many judicial nominees have been denied up-or-down votes. As we know, during the Clinton administration, 69 judges never even got a hearing before the Judiciary Committee. They were dumped into this big dark hole and never saw the light of day. Some of them waited for a very long time, including Richard Paez, who waited for over 4 years. Some of the loudest proponents of the so-called nuclear option opposed cloture on the nominations of President Clinton's nominees.
America is paying attention to this hypocrisy. Citizens are alarmed about what the Republican majority is planning to do. According to a poll that was released yesterday, Americans oppose this--Democrats, Republicans, Independents--by a 2-to-1 margin. They oppose changing the rules to make it easier for the President to stack the courts with radical judges. The American people, in effect, reject the nuclear option because they see it for what it is--an abuse of power, arrogance of power. Lord Acton said power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
The American people need to understand what is going on here in our Congress. Across the way in the House of Representatives, the majority leader was censored three times within 1 year. He will not be censored again because they changed the rules in the middle of the game. That is what is going on. The rules are being changed in the middle of the game. They are breaking the rules to change the rules.
Regardless of one's political affiliation, Americans understand this is a partisan political grab. Nearly half the Republicans polled opposed any rules changes, joining 8 in 10 Democrats and 7 Independents.
Over the last several months, I have talked about a solution. We need to step forward and try to work something out. Before I came here, I tried cases before juries. I had more than 100 jury trials. Every time I had a jury trial was a failure. It was a failure because it indicated the participants could not work things out on their own. That is how I feel about this. We should be able to work this out. We should be able to work it out. My door has always been open to responsible Republicans who do not want the Senate to head down this unproductive path.
I wrote to the majority leader on March 15 and expressed a willingness to find a way out of this predicament we find ourselves in, to find a solution. My friend, the distinguished majority leader, replied 2 days later he would propose a compromise for resolving this issue. We are still waiting on that proposal.
Now, it appears maybe--and I hope this is untrue--that Republican leaders in the Senate do not want a compromise. Senator Frist and I do not do our negotiations in public, but he and I had a nice conversation about a number of issues about 12:15 today. One of the issues we talked about was my proposal to try to resolve this. I thought it was a very constructive meeting. I walked into a conference at quarter to 1, and I was told he issued a statement that there would be no compromise. I don't believe that. The wires are crossed here somewhere. I hope that, in fact, is the case.
This is something that needs to be resolved. One of my concerns involves Karl Rove. I know Karl Rove was up here today. Karl Rove is world famous. He is from Nevada. I like Karl Rove. He has not been elected either to the executive branch of Government or to the legislative branch of Government. I believe in the separation of powers. I believe this legislative branch of Government is as strong as and as important as the executive branch and the judicial branch of Government. We should conduct our business, especially when it deals with procedures and rules of the Senate, without interference from the White House. In fact, I thought this is where we were headed.
I spoke to the President at the White House. My distinguished friend, the assistant majority leader, was there. I asked the President if he would step into this issue dealing with the nuclear option and help us resolve this, because we have lots of important legislative issues to accomplish.
The President, without any hesitation, said to me, in effect, that this is a legislative matter. He said he was not going to get involved in it at all.
I was dumbfounded to find that the Vice President, a few days later, was giving a speech--and I know under his constitutional role he has certain obligations, one of which is if we are in a tie, he breaks the tie; I have no qualms about his having the ability to do that--he gave a long speech on the history of the filibuster and how we were stopping this constitutional option. Frank Luntz gave nuclear option a new name. And bang, today we get Karl Rove telling everybody that there will be no compromise, saying that we want all of our judges, plus Bolton.
These are not positions that allow for compromise. I want to work this out. These are not positions that allow the Senate to proceed with the work of the American people. These are positions that force a confrontation. I don't think we need that. These are positions that divert attention from the real problems facing America today--gas prices, nearly $2.75 a gallon in Nevada. That is higher than in California. We have poor schools, problems with schools all over America. Minnesota is no different from Nevada. They have problems in their schools. They have inadequate health care coverage.
Again, 95 percent of the President's nominees have been confirmed. The majority leader has said he is willing to break the rules, to change the rules. He will be gone in 15 months and we will still be around. It would not be the right thing to do.
Ultimately, this is about removing the last check in Washington against complete abuse of power, the right to extended debate.
Ronald Reagan sent people to the Supreme Court. Richard Nixon sent people to the Supreme Court. There are still two men there who were nominated by Nixon. We have people whom George Bush No. 1 sent here. Seven of the nine members of the U.S. Supreme Court are Republican appointees. Yet there have been attacks on these people, vile things said about David Souter, vile things said about Justice Kennedy, and others.
The radical right, not representing the mainstream Republicans in this country, wants a different kind of Supreme Court, a different kind of judge--maybe that is the case--one who would roll back equality, liberty, and the rights of all Americans. I don't think that is why President Reagan put his appointees on the Supreme Court. I don't think that is why President Bush No. 1 put his appointees on the Supreme Court.
I think those who were elected to this body, the people who sent us here--not Karl Rove, not James Dobson, and not radical elements of our society--should work out a solution.
There is a way to avoid this nuclear shutdown. I have outlined a proposal for my collective colleagues in some detail in an effort to protect an independent judiciary and to preserve the Founding Fathers' vision of the Senate. I am not going to go into the details of my conversations with my
friend Senator Frist and other Members of the majority. I spoke in private. But I want to talk about why compromise is necessary.
We stand united against the constitutional or nuclear option, all 45 of us. We have a responsibility to protect checks and balances, not violate them; to protect the separation of power. My offer protects those checks and balances. My offer renews procedures to allow home State Senators to have a say in who sits on the Federal courts in their States. The procedures encourage consultation and will lead to the nomination of consensus judges, judges who will be confirmed unanimously in most cases.
As I indicated on more than one occasion this afternoon, we have approved 205 judges and turned down 10. The 10 were denied confirmation for a lot of reasons. I will not detail that here. We need to ensure the Senate remains as a check on the President's power, especially with respect to the Supreme Court. We were willing to compromise on this, which is hard to do. I believe my proposal strikes the right balance. I hope so because I tried. It protects our democracy and the independence of our Federal courts. The separation of powers doctrine means so much to our country. It protects the American people, lets us do our business, and can break partisan stalemates that are unnecessarily divisive. I emphasize that any potential compromise is of course contingent on a commitment that the nuclear option will not be exercised in this Congress or any Congress. It is very important to understand this is not all done in a vacuum.
What I have spoken to my Republican counterparts about is an effort to work our way through this. I always felt that a good settlement in all those cases I had, the best settlement was when both parties walked out saying, I am happy. We cannot make both parties happy. We will have to compromise. We will have to be statesmen and come up with something the American people will accept.
I recognize the same poll I talked about here, how people feel about the nuclear option--I know, reading these polls, that the present numbers are tumbling downward. I know that because of what has gone on, for a lot of different reasons, numbers for the Senate Republicans are falling. But the general view of the Congress is not that good.
I think it would be a good moment for the American people if Senator Frist and I could walk out before the American people and say that we have been able to work out our differences. I think the American people would like that. If we do not do that, it is going to be a difficult situation, as I have indicated in great detail. This is not a Newt Gingrich threat. We are not going to shut down the Government. But we are going to work on a number of issues that we feel are important to the American people. In fact, our hours will probably be longer, rather than shorter.
Mr. President, I appreciate everyone's courtesy, and I especially thank my friend from Oklahoma.
If I could say this: During the Clinton years, and during the first 4 years of President Bush, we had a workhorse in the Judiciary Committee. He was chairman; he was ranking member; he was chairman. It went back and forth. He has taken a lot of spears for a lot of different people, standing up for what he believes is right for this country. So I want the record to reflect how much I appreciate the support and the advice and counsel that I have received from Senator Pat Leahy during the years I have been in the Senate, but particularly during the last 5 months.
Mr. President, I appreciate the statement of my distinguished friend. We have worked together for I don't remember how many years because I had his job. A lot of my previous life has been blurred as a result of the past 5 months, but I enjoyed working with him then. He is a master of procedure, certainly understands the Senate. I appreciate not only what he said but the tone of it.
I would just like to say this to the Presiding Officer, being a new Senator, and some others here: One of the problems I have is the deference to the President. George Bush is my President. I didn't vote for him. When he was elected the first time, I didn't vote for him. But we are a country that is so unique. When his election was decided by the Supreme Court after that election, there wasn't a window broken. There wasn't a demonstration held. There were no fires set. He became President of the United States. He became my President and everybody else's. But the fact that he is President of the United States does not take away the fact that he is President, not king. With all the power that he has in that vast bureaucracy, he has no more power than we have in the legislative branch.
My distinguished friend, the Senator from Kentucky, said: We need to give deference to the President's nominations. Yes, I think we need to give deference to the President's nominations, but we are not a rubber stamp for the President. We have an advice and consent role. My friend said he doesn't think it is right to have 41 Members hold up a vote on his judicial nominations. I think it speaks volumes to a
statement that was issued by the majority leader last week. Obviously, one of his Republican colleagues said: Is this rule that you are breaking to change the rules going to apply to legislative filibusters? He issued a one-paragraph statement and said: No, it won't apply to legislative filibusters.
But what it didn't say was anything about Cabinet officers, sub- Cabinet officers, people we have to confirm by law. Do we have a right to say the Senate rule should be in effect and we have a right to hold one of these up by filibuster? Using the logic of my friend from Kentucky and the statement issued by my friend, the distinguished majority leader, obviously they think he should get his choices there, too.
There have been would-be Cabinet officers from the very beginning of this country who never made it, Cabinet officers who were nominated but were never confirmed because people in the Senate, 100 years ago, 200 years ago, 50 years ago said: No thanks. They didn't have a majority but they had enough to filibuster. That is the Senate. If we continue on this path on which we are going, we will just be an extension of the House of Representatives. I have served there. With every matter that comes to the House floor, without exception, there is what they call a rule on it that comes from the Rules Committee. The Rules Committee is chosen by the Speaker. There are Democrats there, but they are only token because whatever the Committee on Rules says, that is what happens on the House floor.
You can bring a bill to the floor, and the Rules Committee can say: No amendments, debate time 20 minutes evenly divided. Or they can bring a piece of legislation to the floor and they can say: Five amendments, an hour each. They can do anything they want to do. They set a rule on every piece of legislation.
Not right now. When Senator Inhofe brings this bill to the floor, the highway bill, this bill is a free-for-all. That is what the Senate is. It is kind of a cluttered, clumsy procedure, but that is what the Senate is. I hope we are not an extension of the House of Representatives where everything we do here is like in the House--a rule is set on it. If people feel strongly enough to break the rules, to change the rules, as they will have to do here, they can change it as to the nominations I have also mentioned. And next, they can change it on legislation. The Senator from Florida has not been here long, but he is certainly an experienced man, a former Cabinet officer of this country. I know he came here a few weeks ago with an important piece of legislation. To him, it was very important because it was important, he believed, to the people of Florida. But you knew, because of Senate procedures, if we wanted to stop that with 41 votes, we could do that. It should apply to everything we do here.
I agree with my friend from Kentucky. I don't think we should be looking to pick fights and say that everybody the President sends up here has to be what we want. We know it is the President's prerogative. But for 214 years, the President consulted with the Senate on judicial nominations, and for many years the committee honored the blue slip, which ensured consultation. We know that during the last few years of the Clinton administration, Senator Hatch said: We are not going to approve anybody unless you run the names past me. That is how we came up with Ginsburg and Breyer. Orrin Hatch and the Republicans, at that time in the majority, and in the minority other times, said that they liked Breyer and Ginsburg. These nominees flew right through here. Perhaps President Clinton would have liked to have had somebody else. Maybe they were not his first choice. They got out of this body quickly.
So we had this consultation for a long period of time. We honored the blue-slip policy, which ensured consultation. I haven't yet mentioned that one of the many positive things all the political writers talk about is that the filibuster brings about compromise and consultation. You are forced to come and talk about issues, whether it is a piece of legislation the Senator from Florida is trying to get through or whether it is a nomination. I got a call from a Senator today saying: I have a hold on a Senate Cabinet officer, and I want to talk to you about it and see if you can help me work something out. It brings people together. I am confident that on an important issue for the President, we can do that.
Mr. President, I very much thank my friend from Kentucky--not only what he said, but how he said it. I hope something can be resolved here. The right to unlimited debate is something this country has had and something that is needed. I don't think we should be filibustering a lot of judges unnecessarily, but a filibuster is sometimes warranted. There may be unusual situations in the future where we will need to rely on this procedure.
I am happy to yield to my friend from Kentucky.
I am happy to answer a question.
Mr. President, I say to my friend that if a filibuster is OK for a person who is going to serve 4 years as a member of the President's Cabinet, or some lesser period of time, which is usually the case, why would it be wrong, for someone who is going to get a lifetime appointment, to take a look at that person? Why in the world would that be any different? Don't we have an even higher obligation to look at somebody who is going to be appointed for life? Certainly, we have an obligation to do that. There is no reason in the world that the President should get all of his people. I would say that my friends in the majority should understand that we consider our position as Senators. It gives up power to the executive branch of Government.
I am happy to yield to my friend from New York.
Mr. President, I say to my friend, this was the Great Compromise during the Constitutional Convention, where these visionary men, our Founding Fathers, worked out the difference between the House and the Senate. They did this purposely and specifically.
I say to my friend, there are many issues here that are decided not by 51, not by 60, not by 67, but many issues take unanimous consent. In fact, most things we do in this body are by unanimous consent. All of us have to agree.
We cannot commit to not having any filibusters, but we will exercise to the very best of our ability discretion, judicious discretion, because we think we are in a new day. We believe this is a new Congress, and we want to show the American people we can work together. And I say to everyone listening that I think we have proven that this year. We have worked on issues that have taken 15 years to get to the Senate floor. We know that many people on this side of the aisle did not particularly like the class action bill. We know that many people on this side of the aisle did not particularly like the bankruptcy bill, but we took 15 years of history and came here and did things the old-fashioned way. We had a bill on the floor, we offered amendments-- some failed, some passed--and moved on. Those bills are now law. People may not like that--some do not--but it shows we can work together here.
My plaintive plea to every one of my 99 friends in the Senate is, let's work something out. Let's try to get along. Let's set a picture that Bill Frist and Harry Reid can walk out here not representing these special interest groups but representing the American people and trying to keep this body as it is and has been for over 200 years, and walk out here together and say: We have resolved our differences. We are going to move forward with the business of this country. That is my desire.
Mr. President, first of all, I have no problem with what I said. I believe we should have had some votes in the committee. Remember, 69 never even came before the committee. Following that, there should have been votes here on the floor. Remember, every one of these judges turned down had votes on the floor. They were cloture motions.
My distinguished friend says he does not know of any time in the history of this country where there has been a majority that favored somebody, that there was not cloture filed, or words to that effect. The point is, we do not need to relive history, but 69 of President Clinton's people never even got there, and that is what I was talking about in 2000 and 2001. I would never, ever consider breaking the rules to change the rules. I never suggested that at all.
I say to my friend, I want to work something out. I repeat that for probably the fifth time here today, but in the process we cannot give up the basic rights this country and this Senate have had for more than 200 years. We are willing to compromise, and, as my friend from New York said, compromise means just that. If we are seen as not acting appropriately, then people can respond to us at election time. It is interesting to note, I say to my friend, in talking to some of my Republican friends, of all the circuit nominees I have heard of, there are only a few that I have a problem with. My Republican friends have told me that they have a problem with a couple themselves.
We can work through this. Let's not have a hard-and-fast rule that the only way we are going to do this is through an up-or-down vote on judges because if that is the case, we are wasting our time here. They are going to have to break the rules.
I yield to my friend from Missouri--he has been patient-- for a question without my losing my right to the floor.
And my answer is yes, and I am going to get off the floor just as quickly as I can.
Yes.
I appreciate everyone's patience.