Mr. President, we understand the implication of the legislation that is now in effect and will expire Thursday. We understand that. We understand there are new targets our intelligence officials may want to go after. We understand that.…
Mr. President, we understand the implication of the legislation that is now in effect and will expire Thursday. We understand that. We understand there are new targets our intelligence officials may want to go after. We understand that. But I repeat: Using the words of my friend, the Republican leader, once it expires, if it expires, it is on the shoulders of the White House and the Republicans in the Senate. We have attempted to work through this, and we have been willing to extend this law for an extended period of time. We have been willing to extend the law for a limited period of time.
I think what this all boils down to is that we should extend the law for a long period of time because the only issue--there are other issues, of course, but the main issue is whether there will be retroactive immunity for the phone companies. That is what it all boils down to--whether there is going to be retroactive immunity to the phone companies. Some of us don't think that is appropriate; others think it is appropriate.
So why don't we extend this law for an extended period of time? That way, the new targets could be sought if, in fact, they are out there-- and we all believe there are some, and that is necessary to be done-- and then set up a time. We will agree to a time and have a debate on the immunity provisions and see if the Senate and the House are willing to give retroactive immunity. In the bill my distinguished colleague, the Republican leader, talked about that came from the Intelligence Committee, that is in that bill. That is in their bill that came from committee. What the House has done doesn't have it in there. So why don't we have a debate on that issue and just extend the law? We will extend it until there is a new President. We are fine--we are happy to do that--so that we get off this: We can't do the targets. Why don't we just extend it for a period of time, and then our side will agree to try to work out something legislatively so that we can have a real nice debate on retroactive immunity.
I am happy to yield.
Mr. President, I say to my friend, the distinguished Senator from Illinois, I personally have been to the floor and offered on many occasions to extend the time. We could all see the train wreck coming, and we believed that it was necessary to extend this law.
I don't know--I say very positively to my friend from Illinois and everyone who can hear me--I don't know if we can work anything out on these amendments. I don't know. On the title I aspect of it, one Senator has six amendments. I am sure--he has always been a reasonable person--he wouldn't have to offer that many. He has always been very good about time agreements. But there are 10 or 12 amendments to title I. Then there are three we have with title II dealing with some form of immunity.
But I repeat to my friend, Democrats believe the program should continue.
We are willing to say, OK, let it continue as it is now in effect. A lot of people don't like that. We are saying go ahead and let it continue. Certainly, there could be a significant majority of Senators--Democrats and Republicans--who will support that. And the issue is immunity.
I reverse the question and ask my friend from Illinois, should we not have a nice debate on immunity and find out how the Congress feels about what the President feels is important? That is how this country has worked for all these years. So extend this and do it until we have a new President--Democrat or Republican, man or woman, whoever it might be--and in the meantime have a decision made as to whether there should be retroactive immunity.
I will, but let my friend from Illinois answer that question first.
Mr. President, I say to my friend, let's extend it for any period of time, although I think that for each day it should be a longer period of time.
I will after I have yielded to the Senator from North Dakota. If anyone thinks we are going to come to an immediate agreement on all these amendments, we have overused the term ``run the traps,'' but the Republicans are not going to agree to all of the amendments the Democrats want to offer. I will respond to my friend from North Dakota.
Mr. President, I say to my friend, you were at the meeting with me just from 9 to shortly before the hour of 10 o'clock. A person who is heavily involved in this legislation, the distinguished Senator from Wisconsin, Russ Feingold, said this legislation should be extended. He has, on many occasions, voiced his opinion on what is wrong with the way we passed this legislation in August, and he has been very strong in his comments about how this law could be improved. Every Democrat in our caucus believes this law should be extended. I don't like to speak for everybody, but Senator Feingold believes the law should be extended because it is the right thing to do. I cannot imagine why we have had all the difficulty we have had in extending this law. On a number of occasions, we have said if the law expires, it is not our fault.
Now I am happy to yield to my friend from Kentucky.
Yes. I say to my friends, there are also other amendments. We talked about title I, and there are a number of amendments. I think we can reduce those on that side to maybe eight. They would all be short time limits. They would also make sure the record reflects that we believe they should be majority votes, not 60-vote margins.
Yes, I am happy to.
Mr. President, if this law is so good and we are able to, in the words of the Republican leader, ``get new targets,'' why don't we extend the law? I don't understand why we are not doing that.
I tell everyone again that it is legislatively impossible to do anything as it relates to this legislation, as far as passing it today. It is impossible. We have a number of amendments that have to be handled. It is going to take a matter of quite a few hours. We can do it in 1 day, I think. Remember, we have to have everybody agree to that, all 100 Senators. Then the House has to agree to what we do or we have to agree to what they do or work out a compromise in conference. That cannot be done tonight. This is the last day we have to legislate. If we don't legislate today, we are going to move on to something else in a few minutes, because there is no agreement on FISA--to extend it. I think that is unfortunate. Having said it so many times already--and I am tired of hearing myself say it--if the law expires, Democrats have no blame whatsoever.
Mr. President, this bill is not a bipartisan bill. The bill that came out of the Intelligence Committee is bipartisan, but understand it was concurrently referred to the Intelligence Committee and the Judiciary Committee. They both have jurisdiction over this legislation. We cannot pick and choose what the President likes. We have a situation here where the Judiciary Committee is entitled to be heard. That is what they are asking for--to be heard. They demand that and it is appropriate.