Pet And Livestock Protection Act
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from Oregon for yielding. Mr. Speaker, the gentlewoman is right. If we want to talk about the occasional conflicts that exist between livestock and pets and any predators, that is a legitimate…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from Oregon for yielding.
Mr. Speaker, the gentlewoman is right. If we want to talk about the occasional conflicts that exist between livestock and pets and any predators, that is a legitimate conversation. However, what we are hearing from across the aisle is really jumping the shark, if you will forgive another predator metaphor, Mr. Speaker.
We are being led to believe that packs of wolves are about to descend on urban areas in New England and Madison, Wisconsin, and that they are looming outside of schools.
I think my colleagues across the aisle need to understand: The American people are a little smarter than that. They are kind of going to see through this Little Red Riding Hood meets chupacabra narrative the gentleman was trying to spin to scare people about wolves.
Mr. Speaker, let me tell you the way it actually works. The Endangered Species Act does not prevent wildlife managers from intervening any time a wolf or any other predator threatens property or human beings. In fact, just a few weeks ago in Northern California, I believe it was the Sierra Valley, a pack of wolves from one of our packs there had begun preying on cattle in an area where they are concentrated because of the way they move through the State, and the California Department of Fish and Wildlife came in and took some. I think they took five or six of them, killed them. There was no ESA lawsuit, and there was no violation of the law.
A little reality check on what we just heard from my colleague from Minnesota, that there was nothing anyone could do about this scary chupacabra wolf in the school parking lot. That is nonsense. That is not the way the ESA works.
Now, let's be clear. This bill is not about protecting pets or livestock. It is about politics overriding science, and the consequences of doing that are disastrous. The precedent set by this bill would be very troubling. It would tell wildlife scientists that their expertise doesn't matter. It tells Tribal nations that their voices can be ignored, and it tells the American people they no longer have the right to challenge unlawful government actions.
The ESA is simple and effective. It ensures decisions are grounded in science. That is the heart of it, and this bill throws that principle out the window. It mandates a nationwide delisting of gray wolves, and it explicitly blocks judicial review. It would prevent courts from doing their job to determine whether a government action even complies with the law.
Now, we don't have to speculate about what happens when protections for gray wolves are lifted because we have seen it play out.
In the State of Wisconsin where hunters like the group, Hunter Nation, which is led by Ted Nugent and Don Jr. on the board, swept in as soon as the wolf hunting season was open. Quickly they did that, despite objections from Tribes in the region. The result was devastating. Mr. Speaker, 218 wolves, about 20 percent of the State's population, were wiped out. By the end of the season, 30 percent were killed--nearly twice as many wolves as the State had authorized.
Over the course of about 60 hours, thousands of hunters, including some unlicensed hunters, participated in coordinating hunting groups, engaged in a dangerous terrorizing campaign against the wolves using bait and wolf calls. They hunted at night. They used dogs. Mr. Speaker, 188 wolves were taken by dogs. They killed 130 wolf pups that were less than 2 years old. This is not thoughtful, science-based management of the State's wolf population. This is not celebrating the recovery of the wolf as we keep hearing in this debate.
This week we received a letter from the Wisconsin Tribes who had sued to try to stop that hunt. In the letter, they object to this bill today. They point out the inadequacy of existing State-level regulatory mechanisms that led to that disaster in Wisconsin.
Mr. Speaker, I include in the Record a letter from six Wisconsin Tribes.
December 17, 2025.
Dear Congressperson: We, the federally recognized bands of
Ojibwe in Wisconsin, oppose the legislation proposed by Rep.
Lauren Boebert (R-CO) to delist gray wolves and believe that
the gray wolf should remain protected under the Endangered
Species Act (``ESA''). We write to inform you of our
continued opposition to proposed legislation that would
direct the Secretary of the Interior to reissue final rules
relating to delisting the gray wolf under the ESA,
particularly where judicial review of the rule would be
barred.
The Pet and Livestock Protection Act, H.R. 845, would
impact our rights and treaty-protected resources. The treaty-
protected resources of the Ojibwe bands include gray wolves
in the territory ceded to the United States under the
Treaties of 1837 and 1842 (``ceded territory''), which has
become the northern third of the State of Wisconsin. We
previously expressed this opposition to lawmakers, including
Sen. Baldwin and Sen. Johnson when they proposed legislation
to delist the gray wolf in 2022.
One of the requirements for a finding of recovery and
delisting under the ESA is a determination that the species
in question is no longer imperiled by ``the inadequacy of
existing regulatory mechanisms.'' 16 U.S.C.
Sec. 1533(a)(1)(D). However, Wisconsin's February 2021 wolf
hunt resulted in the deaths of almost twice the number of
wolves allowed to be killed by the state. This debacle
clearly demonstrated that Wisconsin's existing regulatory
mechanisms are not up to the task of enabling effective
management of the state's wolf population. If the gray wolf
is delisted, and the Wisconsin Department of Natural
Resources (``WDNFR'') implements another hunt as required
under Wisconsin law, Wisconsin's problematic legal framework
for regulation and oversight of state-licensed wolf hunters
and trappers will again threaten the wolves and Ojibwe treaty
rights.
This misguided legislation continues a long history of
disproportionately targeting the gray wolf--the first
endangered species ever to be legislatively delisted by
Congress. This proposed legislation also disregards the fact
that many Americans nationwide believe that wolves should
remain protected. In 2013 for example, approximately one
million Americans voiced opposition to the proposal to strip
endangered species protections from gray wolves. In addition,
widespread public opposition to the wolf hunt has been
routinely disregarded by the WDNR Board, making federal
protections even more important.
Our position still stands that legislation to delist the
gray wolf is misguided and continues to disregard strong
tribal opposition to delisting, as well as widespread
opposition from the general public.
Bad River Band of Lake Superior Chippewa, Lac Courte
Oreilles Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, Lac du
Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, Red Cliff
Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, Sokaogon Chippewa
Community, St. Croix Chippewa Indians of Wisconsin.
Mr. Speaker, Tribes support continued protection for wolves. Seventy-eight percent of Americans support continued protection for wolves. They want to see living wolf pups in Yellowstone, not news stories about tortured wolves in bars or wolf hunts with dogs. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on this bill.
I would also like to just move to some additional remarks that are part of our motion to recommit.
The entire debate so far has shown why Members of Congress have no business in listing and delisting decisions. We are not scientific experts. We are not objective scientists tasked with assessing population numbers, recovery goals, and continued threats to the species.
That is why the ESA properly leaves those questions to actual experts, not politicians. For that reason, we shouldn't be passing this bill at all, but if Republicans are going to go down this road, then there should at least be some guardrails in place that are based on actual science.
For this reason, at the appropriate time, I will offer a motion to recommit this bill back to committee.
If the House rules permitted, I would have offered this motion with an important amendment to this bill. We were not allowed to do that.
My amendment is straightforward. The NRA gets to have this bill and its little hunting spree, but if Ted Nugent and Don Jr. and all the other folks who need to do this to prove their manhood actually go where scientists have warned us about and take the wolf population down below science-based recovery standards, then the Secretary of the Interior would have to issue an emergency regulation temporarily restoring Federal protection in that instance.
This would provide a necessary backstop if Congress legislatively delists the gray wolf and it careens right back toward extinction again, which we know it would.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of my amendment into the Record immediately prior to the vote on the motion to recommit. I hope my colleagues will join me in voting for the motion to recommit in a few moments and keeping amodicum of actual science in the Endangered Species Act.
Mr. Speaker, I have a motion to recommit at the desk.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.