I thank the gentlewoman for yielding. It's a great pleasure to be here today to discuss with the American people the fundamentals of the problem that we're trying to deal with with the Wall Street reform legislation now working its way…
I thank the gentlewoman for yielding.
It's a great pleasure to be here today to discuss with the American people the fundamentals of the problem that we're trying to deal with with the Wall Street reform legislation now working its way through Congress.
I had the privilege in the last Congress to be a member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee when all of this was unfolding, in the fall of 2008 when for the first time people were getting a sense that Wall Street was essentially operating like an unregulated casino. It was essentially the Wild West of finance. And my economics training, as skimpy as it may have been, taught me that the financial system in our capitalist form of government, in our free market, is supposed to help with the allocation of capital in its most productive way so that capital finds its most productive uses. And what we found looking at these incidents as they unfolded back in 2008 and as we have seen even up until the last couple of weeks is that the giants of the financial system in this country, Goldman Sachs, the other major Wall Street financial institutions, weren't guiding capital to its most productive use.
They were guiding capital, hoarding capital, accumulating enormous sums
of capital, in some cases essentially creating capital out of the ether, and deploying it for their own very greedy use. And I know that when we have had arguments both inside of Congress and out over the last few years, we say, well, why would government allow these institutions to get so big that they can wield this kind of power? And the answer we always got from the Goldman Sachses of the world and from others was, well, we need to be that big so we can compete in the global economy.
The question they have never answered to my satisfaction and I don't think to the congresswoman's satisfaction and certainly I don't think to the American people's satisfaction is competing for whom? For what? To what purpose? Because if we allow, as a society, companies to get that big where they can threaten to bring down the entire economy and they don't produce any good for society at large, then why do we care if they can compete?
Whom are they competing for? Are they competing just for their stockholders? In the case of Goldman, are they competing just for their partners who take home $13 billion, $15 billion worth of bonuses each year? That's the question I think that is at the core of this debate and has to be as we move forward trying to decide exactly what policies we should adopt.
In Goldman's case, as I mentioned, I think in 2009, the total bonuses they have allocated for their partners, their principals, and their employees is something like $13 billion. Do you know how much their Federal tax rate was? It was .9 percent, .9 percent.
Now, virtually every American pays a higher tax rate than that. Goldman Sachs paid less than 1 percent of its net income in taxes, while its principals and its employees, its top earners, Mr. Blankfein and others, were making millions upon millions.
So we have to say, does society benefit from having Goldman Sachs here? No. I think we can make a pretty strong case that over the last couple of years, this country has suffered enormous damage, and not just in New York but throughout the country, throughout Main Street, with defaults, mortgage, collapse of banks, all sorts of things. The enormous problems with AIG and its cost to the taxpayers when we had to bail them out, largely attributable to the type of activity that Goldman and others were involved in.
So as we look through Goldman's business principles, and I think you have done an excellent job of pointing out some of the ironies, to use a gentle term, some of the ironies involved in those principles, we have to ask ourselves, what are Goldman's principles for being part of the American economy? Where do we show anywhere in there that they want to help our economy prosper? No. This is for their shareholders, their principals, and their clients who are among the wealthiest individuals in the world.
So while we worry about what Goldman has done, and I think most of us, most Americans, are outraged at, if for nothing else, the ethical shortcomings of the techniques that they have been using, we have to ask ourselves as well what good does Goldman Sachs, what good does Bear Stearns, may it rest in peace, and Lehman Brothers, what good do they do for the American economy? Because I think the evidence is pretty strong that, in fact, they have been extremely detrimental to the American economy and to the average American in their activities over the last few years.
Well, actually, as we heard just a few weeks ago, about 47 percent of the lowest income earners in America pay almost no income tax. They do pay a significant employment tax, Social Security and Medicare. In fact, every American working pays 7.5 percent combined Social Security and employment tax. Income tax will vary. I think the average Federal income tax, people making $40,000 to $50,000 a year, was in the 3 or 4 percent range, which is still three or four times what Goldman Sachs was paying. And, of course, once you get to higher levels, the Federal income tax is somewhere--I think the average American making more than $250,000 a year pays an average of 23 percent. So that's just somebody making $250,000, $300,000 a year, not the billions and billions of dollars that Goldman Sachs has made. They pay 23 percent on average more than Goldman Sachs paid.