Will the Senator yield for a question? I thank the Senator, and I appreciate it. I ask the Senator this: As ironic as it may be that on occasion people in the past have indeed voted against the debt limit--both Republicans and Democrats…
Will the Senator yield for a question?
I thank the Senator, and I appreciate it.
I ask the Senator this: As ironic as it may be that on occasion people in the past have indeed voted against the debt limit--both Republicans and Democrats alike--is it not true that in those situations, those votes did not hold the Nation hostage, did not come at a moment of enormous economic fragility, as we are in today, and did not run the risk of default because it was going to pass overwhelmingly every time? Is that not true?
If the Senator will yield, I appreciate what the Senator is saying. First of all, everybody understands the danger of the rating agencies right now. The problem is, we have to reach across the aisle and negotiate.
We have to come to an agreement. Right now, there is not a lot of negotiating going on.
I ask the Senator if he doesn't agree that there is an enormous difference between the--a moment ago, the Senator said ``if he had gotten his way.'' The whole point is that everybody knew he wasn't about to get his way. That was a truly symbolic vote. Today, however, is it not true that we are on the brink of a default, and the absence of negotiation or of a settlement presents us with a far more serious consequence to the unwillingness to raise the debt ceiling today?
Will the Senator yield for a question?
Mr. President, it may surprise the Senator--I hope not, and I don't think so--but it might surprise people listening to us to hear from this side of the aisle that a lot of us have enormous respect for what the Senator has been talking about and fighting for and what he has achieved. I might add he is one of those courageous Senators who has come together in the last months working as part of the so-called Gang of 6 to try to bridge the gap and see if we cannot find a way forward.
As I listen to him, there is an enormous amount of common sense in the questions he is asking. These are questions all of us need to join in. We need to join into them in a process that allows us to be able to work in a balanced way on the grand bargain, as you call it, the big fix. I ask the Senator, because I think a lot of Americans listening to the debate--and I have been listening on the floor and listening some back in the office--people have to be saying these guys have been talking
past each other because we hear things over there that sound reasonable and we hear things on this side that sound reasonable. But people are asking: What is hanging up this process? Why is the entire country being held hostage?
I ask my colleague if he would help us kind of bear down on what we need to do. I ask him if it is not fair and accurate to say that the so-called Gang of 6--a terrible name--maybe we can call them G6 or something--but they came together with an understanding that we needed balance in the approach to satisfy both sides and build a critical mass. That balance requires cuts. We have to put the big items--big ticket items on the table, and that means fixing Social Security, reforming it for the long-term; Medicare and Medicaid, which are unsustainable on their current paths; defense, where we have to find a handle on some of the procurement and expenditures. The Senator has joined in this. We have to close some tax loopholes and have tax reform and find some level of revenue at an appropriate ratio that allows us to fix this. That is where the problem has been. There is a group of folks in the House who have insisted no revenue at all.
I ask the Senator, isn't it fair to say the Gang of 6 came up with a more balanced approach in which, I believe, the Senate could find a ground of compromise--what Senator Reid has proposed, I believe, has cuts that the Republicans have supported--maybe not quite enough yet and maybe we can negotiate that.
(Mr. DURBIN assumed the Chair.)
Will the Senator further yield?
Will the Senator yield for a moment?
Mr. President, I ask the Senator, again--I am trying to help us get out of this predicament where we have a couple days before the United States defaults. Everything the Senator has said is worthy of inquiry. Isn't it true that if we could get--part of the Reid proposal and the Boehner proposal proposes a joint committee that will be structured somewhat like a Base Closing Commission, which will require the Senate and the House to vote in an expeditious fashion on these kinds of proposals, whatever the joint committee proposes, and if the joint committee doesn't succeed in proposing something, hopefully, either the Gang of 6 or the Simpson-Bowles commission will.
Isn't the key to resolving this crisis and not defaulting our ability to be able to come together on a sufficient trigger or some sufficient mechanism that guarantees we are actually going to deal with this in a similar fashion to what the Senator is raising?
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to be recognized to complete my comments.
Is there a time limit?
I ask to be informed when I have 5 minutes remaining.
Mr. President, when Harry Truman served in the seat Senator McCaskill of Missouri holds today, he used to sit back over there, in back of the row where a lot of the newer Senators sit. He, from that vantage point, would often watch the great debates on the New Deal. He listened long into the night. He used to frequently write home to his wife Bess.
One late night after a long debate, he wrote about his experience of sitting in the Senate--this was early on--and of the awe he felt sitting in this institution and looking across at his colleagues, I assume imagining the ghosts of Calhoun and Clay and other great Senators.
He wrote to his wife, and he said: I sit here in the Senate looking at this institution and at my colleagues and I pinch myself and I say, ``How the hell did I get here?''
A number of months later, it was very late at night, and he was again sitting there, and he wrote to his wife, again watching the debate and looking across at his colleagues, and he wrote to her and said, ``I ask myself, how the hell did they get here?''
Anyway, I suspect at this moment in America a lot of Americans are looking at the Senate, at the Congress, and they are asking a similar question, wondering whether we get it.
I have enormous respect for this institution. I still believe in the phrase ``the world's greatest deliberative body,'' which has, unfortunately, become a punch line in these days, but when we are bipartisan and serious is still a true description, still possible when we rise to the moment. I have seen the Senate over the course of 26 years in those moments, as have other colleagues here. I have seen it with Ted Kennedy and Bob Dole and so many others. I have seen what can be accomplished here.
Regrettably, today, our allies and our enemies abroad and our friends here at home--the American citizen--are watching with either alarm or, in the case of our enemies, delight as they question America's leadership. Some abroad have even suggested this is a sign, a moment of American decline. So even without default, believe me, just the absence of decision and the presence of partisan chaos--they are running up a huge cost for this country.
The other day, I received a letter from 20 mayors from Massachusetts. The letter states:
The time to compromise and resolve this issue is now.
They complained that their communities were under the microscope from Moody's because we had not gotten our acts together here in Washington. Their letter was honest and eloquent. And, frankly, it should not be so difficult for their warnings and their example to be heeded in the Congress.
The mayors' call for compromise, frankly, should not be so difficult. The call for compromise by the American people ought to be listened to and acted on and in very short order.
I have served in the majority and I have served in the minority since I have been here. I have served with Republican Presidents, Democratic Presidents, in both situations, when we are in the minority and in the majority. I have cast tough votes in times of divided government, under Republican and Democratic Presidents, from Reagan to Obama, and I have never seen the governing process so broken because one faction of one side has made compromise--the essence of democracy and the bedrock of our governing system--not just a dirty word but, in their view, a form of treason.
The warnings of mayors were echoed yesterday by the leaders of our financial industry. Yesterday, CEOs of major financial institutions wrote:
Our economic recovery remains very fragile. A default on
our Nation's obligations, or a downgrade--
Just a downgrade--
of America's credit rating, would have an enormous impact on
Americans and on investor confidence--raising interest rates
for everyone who borrows, undermining the value of the
Dollar, and affecting stock and bond markets--and, therefore,
dramatically worsening our Nation's already difficult
economic circumstances.
Those are their words. Notwithstanding that, we continue to see our own well-being at risk.
This is one of those times where it is not cliche and it is not hyperbole to say that the whole world is watching, because the whole world has something at stake in what we do or do not do. For the world, there are serious consequences in that. As chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, I have heard from officials all over the world and global business leaders, and the message is always the same. They are watching in amazement, in puzzlement, and horror at what is going on in Washington. Our friends and allies, whose economic fortunes and economies are linked to our own, doubt us, and they are worrying about the impact of our dysfunction on their economies. Our economic rivals--believe me, our economic rivals--are laughing all the way to the bank. At a time of global economic uncertainty, we should absolutely not be adding to that uncertainty by failing to resolve our debt crisis. The International Monetary Fund is warning that actions still need to be taken to stave off contagion from Europe's sovereign debt crisis.
It is not insignificant that while Harry Reid has been busy trying to find Republicans to join Democrats in a bipartisan solution, Speaker Boehner was exclusively negotiating to end the civil war between the responsible and the unreasonable within the Republican Party. The Speaker negotiated with Republicans to make a bad bill worse.
I think the distinction between what has happened in the House and the Senate is a very important one in terms of where Americans are going to find a resolution to this challenge. Here in the Senate, we have been working day and night, talking with Democratic and Republican colleagues across the aisle in order to find a way forward. And for most of us--or at least many of us; certainly, a sufficient number to be able to pass a solution--for them, there are not any preconditions. Everything is on the table. But we are still facing the obstinate, ideological rigidity from House Republicans--House Republicans--who have threatened to take our Nation into default and downgrade the Nation's credit rating and do even more harm to a fragile economy simply to get their way.
So what is it that divides us right now? I think a lot of Americans listening to the debate probably have a serious question about: What is the difference between these folks? What is it that divides them?
Well, the Boehner plan, which was sent over here, had three fundamental problems in it that Democrats were unwilling to support.
First, it would force huge cuts in Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid because of the structure and manner of the cuts they were demanding.
Second, it included a constitutional amendment provision which required that the constitutional amendment actually be passed within 6 months before the next debt limit could be raised. Because there is no certainty that would happen or could happen, it set up an automatic default. So the Boehner plan was setting up the U.S. Government to go right through this exercise again and have an automatic default.
Third, there was a timeframe in the Boehner amendment that required us to go back and visit this in February of next year, which would have meant the minute we come back in September, the entire Congress would have been consumed with the very same thing we have been doing now, which would not give certainty to the marketplace.
So it was not politics that prevented us from proceeding forward on the Boehner plan. It was the substance of that plan.
The Reid plan, which we are debating right now, which is on the floor, is a plan that because of the Republican insistence on no revenues has no revenues. Many people on our side of the aisle object to that. But we have accepted that is the price we need to pay as a matter of our compromise in order to get out of this crisis. So we have compromised on revenues.
It has cuts. All the cuts are cuts the Republicans have already voted for that, again, many of our folks do not like. But they have compromised, our folks, and they have provided the cuts that the Republicans asked for. Because it has a timeframe that goes until after next year, that means we will provide certainty to the marketplace and avoid a downgrade of our credit. The Boehner plan would guarantee a downgrade of our credit. So these are enormous differences.
Finally, the Reid plan provides a tight process, a plan that we know is familiar around here. Like the way we deal with military bases, we require votes. The votes have to take place, and we would be required within a very short number of months to deal with America's long-term debt and budget crisis, and people would have an ability to put their cuts on the table.
But we would also, we hope, have an opportunity to have revenues. That is the big sticking point here in the Senate. We need to know that if there is a trigger that is used in an automatic way in which money is going to be held back, that money has to be held back in a fair and balanced way. You do not just cut, you also have to have the possibility of revenue. Because if you do not have the possibility of revenue, then the side that only wants to cut can wait for nothing to happen and the cuts take place automatically. There is no threat to them. There is no leverage for them to come to agreement on the other things.
That is reasonableness, I believe. I think what we are looking for here is
reasonable. It is fair, and it is balanced. The House strategy has been essentially not to negotiate, not to negotiate.
We also know there are a lot of misstatements out here. Senator Reid corrected one a moment ago about a deal. In addition to that, we keep hearing people say that there is no plan, that the President does not have a plan, that nothing has been reduced to writing.
Well, as Senator Moynihan used to say here: Anybody is entitled to their own opinion, but they are not entitled to their own facts. The fact is, the President put a detailed plan for $4.7 trillion of cuts over 10 years with reductions in defense, and Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, all on the table to find savings in those programs.
It is incredible to me to keep hearing people say there is no plan when there has been plan after plan. Chairman of the Budget Committee Conrad has been warning us for years about this. He sought to get a bipartisan deficit commission created by the Senate. It could not happen because the Republicans blocked it. So what happened? President Obama appointed one of his own. It reported back. We still have not dealt with that.
Because the votes aren't there to support a simple increase in the debt limit, we've bent over backwards to find a compromise that links the debt limit to commitments on significant deficit reductions.
Back in February, the President offered a budget that included more than $1 trillion in deficit reduction. When Republicans said his budget didn't contain enough cuts, he came out with a new proposal two months later which provided a comprehensive, balanced deficit reduction framework to cut spending, bring down our debt and increase confidence in our nation's fiscal strength. This framework would have reduced the deficit by $4 trillion in 12 years or less and reductions would have been phased in over time to protect and strengthen our economic recovery and the recovering labor market. It contained a balanced approach to bringing down our deficit, with three dollars of spending cuts and interest savings for every one dollar from tax reform that contributes to deficit reduction. It called for $770 billion in non- security discretionary spending cuts, $400 billion security spending cuts, $489 billion in Medicare and Medicaid savings, $360 billion in other mandatory savings, and $1 trillion from tax reform. How could I repeat this proposal if it hadn't been written down?
After that was rejected, in his negotiations with the Speaker, the President put an unprecedented $ 4.7 trillion dollars of deficit reduction on the table, including painful cuts to programs millions of working Americans depend on, even cuts we Democrats hate as a matter of principle--and the President offered them along with closing wasteful corporate tax loopholes in order to achieve ``shared sacrifice.'' I believe it would have had significant support in the Senate--instead, House Republicans rejected it and walked away from the process.
The so-called ``Gang of Six'' in the Senate worked for months to strike a compromise that was balanced as well--it too could have won significant backing here in the Senate and was applauded by Senators as ideologically and philosophically different as me and the conservative senator from Oklahoma, Tom Coburn. For House Republicans, this too was unacceptable, because they believe there is not a single new revenue or tax savings that can be supported in the entire 72,000 page U.S. Tax Code.
Recognizing both the stakes for our country, the danger to the economy, and House Republican intransigence, Majority Leader Harry Reid has now offered approximately $2.2 trillion in deficit reduction without additional revenue, composed of cuts Republicans had previously supported. That too was rejected. The leader's proposal would give our economy the certainty it needs to create jobs today, not 6 months from now and it provides a certain process for Congress to do its work for the next 4 months.
Time and time again, I hear those absolutists criticizing the President and majority leader's handling of the situation. They ask what our plan is? Well, take your pick--we have offered compromise after compromise and every time they have said no.
No, the House Republicans would rather spend their time negotiating with themselves and criticizing other proposals than negotiating with Democrats or trying to show that they are willing to compromise.
Here in the Senate, Senator McConnell offered a reasonable compromise that would get us past this hurdle. He proposed a path forward in good faith as way to provide stability for our economy and not have this saga continue. What did House Republicans do? They walked away from even a Republican proposal to ensure our nation didn't default and our economy wasn't hurt.
So what do House Republicans want? They want legislation called the Cut, Cap and Balance Act. It is so extreme that even Paul Ryan's draconian budget wouldn't fit into its limits.
A week ago today, the Senate defeated the bad version--cut, cap and balance. This vote made it extremely clear that cut, cap and balance did not have a path forward, but repeatedly House Republicans push for it even though it has already failed in the Senate and the President threatened to veto it.
So when the talk of the ``grand bargain'' failed, what did the House Republicans do? They further entrench themselves in an extremist position and turn to a new way of passing cut, cap and balance. Have they tried to find a way forward to reaching a real compromise? No, they continue to negotiate among themselves.
And their current refusal to negotiate across party lines flies in the face of the very Republican principles they have espoused.
Why do we oppose the Boehner plan? Because the experts have said that Boehner's plan could trigger many of the consequences as default itself--including a surge in interest rates that will hurt every American with a mortgage, a student loan, a car loan, or a credit card--because it would make passage of a balanced budget amendment a condition for increasing the debt ceiling in 6 months. In other words-- automatic default if they don't get their way. Since there is not two- thirds support in the House and Senate for this amendment, it guarantees default.
Bruce Bartlett, a former economic adviser to President Reagan said:
This is quite possibly the stupidest Constitutional
amendment that I think I have ever seen. It looks like it was
drafted by a couple of interns on the back of a napkin.
Mr. President, that is President Reagan's adviser.
Just the other day, my friend and colleague Senator McCain stated that thinking a balanced budget amendment can pass--``is worse than foolish.'' He went to say:
That is not fair to the American people to hold out and say
we will not agree to raising the debt limit until we pass a
balanced budget amendment to the Constitution. It is unfair.
It is bizarrro.
We can't do this. We can't keep going down this road. This stalemate cannot stand. It is time to for us reach across the aisle. Senator Reid's plan tries to do that. It doesn't touch the Republican holy grail of revenues. Not a dime. And 100 percent of the spending cuts in Senator Reid's deficit reduction plan were supported by Republicans. They were included in proposals from Speaker Boehner's plan, House Majority Leader Cantor, and House Budget Committee Chairman Ryan. Just last night, Senator Reid amended his plan to include Senator McConnell's provision to give the President the authority to increase the debt limit in steps. This gives Members of Congress the chance to register disapproval for increases in the debt limit. This is yet another compromise by the Democrats.
So I think there has been a great effort by Democrats to make changes to deal with the Republican objections. I would ask, what is the single Republican concession? What is it they have given as a matter of compromise? Nobody can tell you that because there has not been one. In fairness, in the Gang of 6, a great group of Republicans joined with Democrats, and they did make a concession, and they took political risks. They went out and said: Yes, there have to be cuts, but there also have to be revenues. I applaud those Republicans who joined in that effort. That is what we need to find here now. That is the way we are going to make the difference here.
It is the place to start a compromise but it takes two sides to compromise. And it takes both Houses of Congress to pass a bill. It shouldn't be this difficult for Congress to do its most fundamental job under the Constitution and preserve the credit rating and reputation of the most powerful nation on Earth.
And it doesn't take an amendment to the Constitution for us to balance the budget either. It takes the courage of our convictions. We have been here before. In the 1990s, our economy was faltering because deficits and debt were freezing capital. We had to send a signal to the market that we were capable of being fiscally responsible. We did just that and as result we saw the longest economic expansion in history, created over 22 million jobs, and generated unprecedented wealth in America, with every income bracket rising. But we did it by making tough choices. We cast tough votes and some Senators even lost their seats but they committed the country to a path of discipline that helped unleash the productive potential of the American people. Working with Republicans, we came up with a budget framework that put our Nation on track to be debt free by 2012 for the first time since Andrew Jackson's administration. It didn't take a constitutional amendment--it took courage.
Mr. President, we can do that again--if we get real. If we get serious. There is a bipartisan consensus just waiting to lift our country and our future if Senators are willing to sit down and forge it and make it real. If we are willing to stop talking past each other, to stop substituting sound bites for substance. If we are willing finally to pull ourselves out of ideological cement that has been mixed over in the House.
I believe we can compromise. I think the only place to resolve this crisis is in compromise.
I believe I have additional time, but I wanted to know where I am with time. I will wrap up very shortly.
As we know, it takes both Houses to pass a bill. It should not be this difficult for Congress to do its most fundamental job under the Constitution. It does not take an amendment to the Constitution to balance the budget. How could I say that? Because in the 1990s, we balanced the budget. We created 23 million new jobs. We raised the income of everybody in America. And the fact is we did what was necessary to put us on a track to pay down the debt of our country by 2012. We sent a signal to the marketplace.
We can do this again if we get real, if we get serious. I believe there is a bipartisan consensus here in the Senate waiting to lift our country and our future, if Senators are willing to sit down and forge it and make it real, if we stop talking past each other. The world's most deliberative body could become that again. But the reason it is not viewed as that today is not that the institution itself has failed; it is not that it cannot be deliberative. It is because the people in it have not yet decided to live in the tradition of those predecessors who earned the reputation for this institution. It is because, unlike the years when I first came here in the 1980s, some have decided to use this institution for a 24/7 365-days-a-year campaign, to make everything that happens here the prisoner of ideology and politics rather than the instrument of debate and decision.
I think it would do us good to remember that until recent history, this institution has been the birthplace of compromise and delivered some of the great legislative achievements that have reshaped our Nation out of compromise, bipartisan compromises here in the Senate-- the passage of the Social Security Act of 1935, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1969, the creation of Medicare in 1965, Social Security reforms of 1983.
We all know that during the Constitutional Convention, Roger Sherman and Oliver Ellsworth of Connecticut developed a bicameral legislative structure that broke a deadlock, and it created--it is in the Constitution. It is why we have a Senate and a House today: compromise.
Everyone who remembers the history books remembers the Compromise of 1850 drafted by Henry Clay that diffused a 4-year confrontation between the slave States of the South and the free States of the North. Even in our most difficult moments, we have been able to find a way to compromise.
In the end, it is people who define this place. It is we Senators. And in my conversations with colleagues on the other side of the aisle, I am convinced there are plenty of people here who are prepared to reach across the aisle and prove that the United States and the U.S. Senate can live up to this moment. I believe that in the next 48 hours the Senate will prove our ability to live up to our constitutional and our personal responsibility.
The PRESIDING OFFICER (Mrs. Hagan.) The Senator from Iowa.