Mr. Chairman, I believe strongly that we've got a deficit problem. I think most Americans agree with that. But I don't think most Americans would agree that we balance our deficit on the backs of the most vulnerable people out there,…
Mr. Chairman, I believe strongly that we've got a deficit problem. I think most Americans agree with that. But I don't think most Americans would agree that we balance our deficit on the backs of the most vulnerable people out there, particularly the children. As was alluded to a moment ago by my good friend from Wisconsin, half the people on food stamps are children. They didn't get a job. They're still hungry.
The other point I think that is well-known by Americans is that while unemployment may have gone down, there's a lot of underemployed people and there are a lot of people that have given up searching for work because the recession lingers.
The real world is that the SNAP program is a lagging indicator. People struggle. They try and keep their job, they go into savings, they rely on friends; and then after several years, they lose their house, maybe they've already lost their job, and then they need food stamps.
I think it's egregious that we would deny them that.
There may be some inefficiencies in the program. We've been working on that for years. There's an error rate in my home State of Oregon that we're proud to say we've driven down. We were guilty of not overseeing the program. That's been driven down. We should be rewarding good behavior, not penalizing it at the end of the day.
I still have over 20 percent of my folks in Oregon that are on food stamps, and that has not changed. That's not because they're glad to be on food stamps. My folks want a job. They want to be able to feed their own families. But the real world is this was a horrible recession, the worst recession since the Great Depression, and you don't balance that budget on the backs of these kids.
If we had had a chance to vote on another food stamp bill that may have gotten down to the Senate levels of reductions, I think you wouldn't see some folks here worried about it. But this is the only game in town in trying to protect vulnerable Americans.
There's other ways to cut the program. The direct payments that we did in the Agriculture Committee, that's the way to go about it, not with the most vulnerable population.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition, although I am in support of the amendment.
I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, this is a bill that's long overdue. I join in support of my colleague and friend from Washington State to lend a little rationality to the discussion about how we operate in our forests.
This legislation hopefully would not be necessary. As the gentlewoman alluded to, we've had a Supreme Court decision that would seem to indicate that the EPA rule for the last 37 years has been a good rule. Indeed, agriculture and forestry aren't classically nonpoint source polluters. They are not a factory; they are not a municipality's sewer system. They are nonpoint source emitters, if you will. I think that's the way to look at this. When you have a decision by the Supreme Court, I think it's time to hopefully verify that decision.
The concern I have and the reason why this legislation is necessary is that, while it agreed that the rule should stand, it did not really rule on the merits of the issue. We're already facing additional lawsuits from different organizations that have a misguided view of what actually goes on in the forest system.
And I find it particularly egregious that when there is a great concern about forest runoff, agricultural runoff into our streams and our rivers, that when the industry steps up and does the right thing by pushing culverts, making the roads safer and cleaner, dumping that stuff onto the forest floor, not in the river, that they get sued and asked to come up with additional permits that would cost jobs and not help us get out of this Great Recession.
So I am a strong proponent of this amendment--I think it will get overwhelming support in this great, august body--and look forward to bringing it forward.
I urge an ``aye'' vote, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I claim the time in opposition to the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Garamendi).
Mr. Chairman, at this time, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Scott).
I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from California (Mr. LaMalfa).
I yield the last 1 minute to the other gentleman from California (Mr. Garamendi).
I rise to claim the time in opposition.
I appreciate the opportunity to set the record straight.
With all due respect, the good and gentlelady from Indiana is completely and totally misinformed as to what this Christmas tree checkoff bill does.
If we were to strip this out of the FARRM Bill, millions of Americans would lose jobs. This is about protecting American agriculture. I did not see the gentlelady or any of her friends on the other side of the aisle get up and talk about the beef checkoff program or the dairy checkoff program or the cotton checkoff program, all of which help to promote American industry and American jobs and American research.
With all due respect, the idea that this is a tax is absolutely ludicrous. This is a fee that the industry has come to us for, just like the cattlemen did, just like the cotton growers did, and just like the dairymen did, to help promote their industry.
Perhaps the gentlelady is unaware of the fact that the Christmas tree industry is under siege in this country. What's more American than Christmas? You know what's happening? The Chinese are exporting to our country, and we are importing fake Chinese trees. It's devastating the American industry right now. We can be in favor of Chinese jobs, or we can be in favor of American agriculture jobs and silviculture jobs.
This is pretty straightforward, folks. This is something that's not new. It's been done for years and years. With all due respect again, the gentlelady's talking points talk about this Christmas season--well, I don't think it's Christmas season. We are now into June. It's time to get updated and understand where this country is coming from.
American agriculture has worked hard trying to stay competitive. What are the States that are going to be affected if we don't do this? What are the States that are going to be affected? We've got North Carolina. We've got Tennessee. We've got Michigan. We've got Washington. We've got Oregon. I could go on. Pennsylvania. All 50 States produce Christmas trees.
This industry needs to survive. This is an American industry producing Christmas trees. I'm shocked actually, that there's anyone that is willing to take this off the agenda.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, how much time do I have left?
I would again like to continue to set the record straight.
The American people did not vote in any, way, shape or form on this promotion research program for American Christmas trees. If they had, I think they would vote in favor of American agricultural jobs in rural America.
I don't know if the gentlelady knows this, but the unemployment rate in rural America is easily still in the double digits. This is an industry that needs severe help and our time. If the American government can't come to their aid by letting them assess themselves a fee that is overwhelmingly supported by the industry to keep it alive, to keep it producing American jobs, I don't know what our government is all about at the end of the day.
This should be a straightforward ``no'' vote on this amendment.
As a matter of fact, this was so noncontroversial in the Agriculture Committee on which I serve, that it passed unanimous en bloc. This was not a controversial issue. So I guess I'd like to think we've moved forward out of the election season. It's now time to get real. It's now time to put some jobs on the table for Americans, particularly in rural America.
With that, I reserve the balance of my time.
I guess what I would like to close with here is that I can't say it often enough and more accurate enough, that this is nothing about taxation. This is about the promotion of an industry that we would like to support in America: Christmas. What's more American than Christmas? I can't believe the opposition is seeking to attack Christmas and Christmas tree producers.
It's tough out there. The recession isn't over. The recession isn't over in rural America right now. Over 70 percent of the folks in the Christmas tree industry easily favor this bill. I'd love to see my approval rating come even up to 15 percent or 20 percent. These guys are at 70 percent wanting to get something done.
I think we owe it to them to back them. The producers across this country need our help. We did it for beef. We did it for dairy. We've done it for cotton. We've done it for a number of other industries. I don't see why Christmas trees should be discriminated against and we should be encouraging Chinese jobs and Chinese fake trees in our Christmas tree pageants. I think that's terrible.
I yield back the balance of my time.