I suggest the absence of a quorum. Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded. Mr. President, let me start our conversation this afternoon about the consumer product safety bill with a chart. I…
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, let me start our conversation this afternoon about the consumer product safety bill with a chart. I will come back to it in a few minutes, but as the camera focuses on this chart, these are the toys that were recalled in the last year. You can see it starts in March of 2007 and goes to February of 2008. Represented on this calendar are the record number of recalls that we saw last year. I am sure members of the public recall over the summer months--May, June, July, August, and even into September--there were a series of newspaper articles, news magazine stories, television, radio, in addition to Internet stories about the excessive number of recalls.
Really, this matter came to the public's attention through the toy recall issue. Now, of course the Consumer Product Safety Commission deals with a lot more than just toys. Toys are very important, and it is a big piece of what they do, but the CPSC does a lot more than toys. But this chart shows the toys, to give a sense of how many recalls we are looking at every year. And what we have done is, we have picked one item that would represent that recall every month. You can see that most months it is four or five recalls in that given month.
So the CPSC has been very busy. Unfortunately, that is part of the problem. They are overwhelmed with the marketplace today, and it has been very difficult for the CPSC to keep up with the tremendous number of imports.
By the way, every single toy on this calendar is from China--every single toy. I didn't come here to pick on China today, but facts are facts. Last year, in 2007, every toy recall was from China.
One of the things we are trying to accomplish in this legislation is to make sure imported toys meet our safety standards. This is a very basic function of Government; that is, to provide for the health and safety and the general welfare of the people. The Consumer Product Safety Commission is on the front line of doing that.
Now, I want to talk about this again in a few moments, so I will leave it up and allow people to look at it if they want. But before I do, I want to talk about another provision in the legislation that some have found to be controversial. To be honest with you, some of this controversy is because people have looked at the previous version of the bill.
In the previous version of the bill, we had an attorney general enforcement provision that was very aggressive and somewhat open, and people were very concerned that the attorneys general might go wild, so to speak, and start to initiate litigation and bring lawsuits that the CPSC was reluctant to bring.
Regardless of how the committee bill was drafted, that has changed in this legislation. I want to be very clear for my colleagues and, again, for staff members who are watching in their offices on Capitol Hill, that has changed dramatically. I want to go through those changes, if I may, very quickly.
First, when we talk about adding State attorneys general to this enforcement mechanism for the CPSC, we are talking about putting more cops on the beat or, as someone said the other day, ``more feet on the street.'' You can call it what you want, but the idea is that we have a choice to make. If we want to enforce CPSC decisions, we can do it one of two ways: We can hire more people at CPSC and maybe the Justice Department and pay another $5 million, $10 million, $20 million, $50 million, or whatever it may be for enforcement personnel, who are Federal employees, or we can turn this responsibility over to the States and allow the States a piece of this so if there are problems in their home States, they can go after their problems with no Federal taxpayer expense. And that is the route we have chosen in S. 2663.
I know there are some, especially in the business community, who fear the attorney general. When I say that, I mean the State attorney general. They have seen what happened in the tobacco case several years ago. They have seen what has happened in a few other cases since then, and they fear what the attorney general can do, and will do, given the opportunity. Well, let me say a couple of things about that.
First, I was the attorney general of my State, and I know how that office works and I know how attorneys general think and the approach they take to problem solving. I would say that most attorneys general have resource issues like everybody else. They are strained in terms of how much time and attention they can devote to certain matters. Most AGs--not all but most AGs--have the consumer protection ability in their State offices right now. There are very few who don't.
The other thing that is very important about the attorney general is, in the States, the attorney general position is a very respected position. If you take a poll around the country and ask various people in their States, they have a high degree of respect for the attorney general because, by and large, these men and women have done a great public service for their States. In fact, we have to remember, as Members of the Senate, these attorneys general are elected by the very same people we are. I think it is 44 States--I can't remember the exact number--where the attorney general is popularly elected. There are a few that are not. I think Tennessee has the State supreme court appoint the attorney general. But, regardless, most State AGs are elected by the people, and the people trust them.
The other thing I wanted to say about attorneys general is, in general, the reason the State attorneys general act is because Congress fails to act. We saw that in the tobacco case. Several years ago-- again, this has been about 10 years ago now or a little more--there was a bill in Congress to regulate tobacco and to fundamentally change Federal tobacco law and the national tobacco policy. Again, I don't remember exactly what year this was--it was sometime in the mid-1990s, I don't remember exactly, but that bill got bogged down. That bill did not make it out of the Congress, and it never became law.
That was the triggering mechanism for the States' tobacco litigation to rev up. I think it had existed before that, but once the Congress failed to act,
once people here in Washington couldn't address and couldn't resolve one of the Nation's great problems, the States acted. And that is the nature of it.
So one thing I encourage my colleagues to think about is to think about our acting and our taking care of the Consumer Product Safety Commission so we don't see that patchwork out in the many States, where State legislators come in with these great ideas about consumer product safety legislation, where State AGs don't try to get creative and come up with some sort of master plan for litigation. Let's avoid that. Let's pass this S. 2663, the CPSC Reform Act. Let's pass this and allow the State AGs some enforcement responsibility but also keep this in the Federal purview.
Let me talk briefly about that. S. 2663 would authorize the State attorneys general to bring a civil action to seek--and this is very important--injunctive relief only for clear violations of the statute or clear violations of orders by the CPSC. So I need to be very clear.
What we are talking about is enforcement only. We are talking about injunctive relief only. That means no money damages. That is what we are talking about. We are talking about the States watching the CPSC, maybe the best example, maybe doing a recall somewhere in the State. They find that product is still on the shelves; it should not be. Maybe it is showing up in Dollar Stores, maybe some retailers like small guys or whatever ignoring it. The State attorney general can step in and get those products off the shelf.
You all know as well as I do the way that is going to work in the real world is the minute the attorney general shows up at that store, they are going to get those products off the shelves. That is the way it works.
It is like a friend of mine told me--one time I called him up and I was the attorney general. He said: Oh, man, my worst nightmare is to have the attorney general call me at my office because you never know what the AG is going to do. It is like having ``60 Minutes'' show up in your front lobby or something.
But, nonetheless, that is the way it is going to work. The mere fact that the States have this authority gives a local hammer to the CPSC that they do not have right now. Right now, what we have to do is rely on the Justice Department or we have to rely on CPSC employees to turn around and try to enforce those out in the various States; try to track down all of these products wherever they may be.
It is hurting enforcement. The States and the State attorneys general are naturally in a better position to know what is going on in their State, and they are in a better position to enforce the CSPC orders in their State. That is the way it is.
Let me say a few more things. I want to get back to this chart. The Consumer Product Safety Commission bill we are talking about now not only limits the attorneys general in the two ways I have mentioned, they have to follow the CPSC, and it has to be for injunctive relief only, but also this requires that the State would serve written notice on the Commission 60 days prior to them filing. So they have to actually notify the Commission.
The fourth thing, the fourth out of five safeguards that are built into this legislation, is that the Commission, if they so choose for whatever reason, can intervene in that litigation.
The last thing is that if the Commission has a pending action going, the States cannot get in that action. Here again, we want to make sure that the CPSC remains in the driver's seat. One of the myths about this legislation that I have heard--and, quite frankly, it has been mostly on this side of the aisle and this is in the business community--is if we pass my bill, what is going to happen is there are going to be 51 different standards out there, there is going to be litigation coming everywhere. That is not the case. Again, because of Senator Stevens' work that he did to make this bill a bipartisan bill, what we are left with is these very tight controls on the attorneys general. Nonetheless, I think there is value, good value in the States having that enforcement mechanism on a State level.
The other thing I wanted to say before I turn to this chart is this is not a new approach. This is not a new approach. In fact, for over a decade State attorneys general have been able to seek injunctive relief under the Federal Hazardous Substance Act, a statute enforced by the CPSC. This authority has not resulted in varying interpretations of law that have been a concern--if we give the States some authority, we are going to have all of these 51 jurisdictions out there doing all of these different things. That is not the case. We have a 10-year track record with the Hazardous Substances Act and the States have not abused it. They have not abused it. So we know the States can play a very important role with the CPSC and with the Federal Government.
And, by the way, there are lots of other examples--I do not have to get into all of those right now, but lots of other examples where there is a Federal component and a State component to something where the States are allowed to do some enforcement or play a State role, an important State role. I think that is what this has as well.
Let me go to this ``toxic toy'' calendar again. Here again you see these toys that look very familiar, like Thomas up here. Here is the ``Evil Eye'' up here in June of 2007. If I am not mistaken, this is one where they actually had kerosene in the eyeballs. Can you imagine that? They sell these little rubbery or plastic eyeballs that actually had kerosene in those. And this was a children's toy. It is hard to believe.
But you see tops, you see Sesame Street characters, you see little things such as building blocks, you see little scooters, dart boards, a wagon, you see all kinds of things. Some of these might have had lead paint, some of these may present choking hazards. But you can see how busy the Consumer Product Safety Commission is.
Again, part of our legislation is to give them the resources they need in order to do these recalls. But you can imagine with all these recalls and how busy they are--you know, they are over here in September of 2007. They do these toy recalls. Well, suddenly it is October, and they are working on five more. They do not have time to go back to the State of Arkansas or the State of Delaware or Wyoming or wherever it may be in order to go back and enforce what they had been doing in the previous month. They do not have time for that or have the resources for that.
Again, I think the way we have this structured is very positive. Let me give a few examples of what we are talking about here. Let's start with this first month, March of 2007. See this airplane right here? The batteries can overheat in this airplane and cause a fire. This animal farm, this little farm right here, these little pieces can fall off and they become a choking hazard. This keyboard can catch fire. This easel has lead in it.
Then we go over here to April. We see on the infant bouncer, which is right here, this little infant chair, a falling hazard out of the seat. There may have been something in the design or construction that made children susceptible to falling out of this.
This puzzle has a choking hazard. Again, maybe these knobs come off or something will break off, I am not quite sure, but a choking hazard; this activities chart, a choking hazard; the bracelets that you see here, lead poisoning. Again, you can go down this list. This infant swing right here is an entrapment hazard. I am going to tell you, these entrapment hazards are terrible stories. I have talked to those families before. We had a case in Arkansas a few years ago. It was not with an item here, but it was with a crib type playpen. I am going to tell you, it collapsed on the child and choked the child. It was terrible. Unfortunately, we see that all over the country.
This ``Evil Eye'' eyeball, they are ``evil eyes'' because they are full of kerosene. It is hard to believe. Seriously. Think about that. It is hard to believe that any company with any sense at all--I mean, unbelievable--would actually put kerosene in the little toys. Think about it. I do not know why in the world they would ever do that. But that is exactly what they did.
Again, we can go down a long list of what can go wrong with these toys. But this is why the marketplace needs some supervision. The marketplace needs something such as the CPSC and someone on a State level, such as the
State attorneys general, to make sure these toys are not present in the stream of commerce in the various States.
Again, the attorneys general provision of this proposed bill has been a little bit controversial, but it should not be anymore because we have built in the safeguards. We have tried to find the consumer protections. We have tried to make the right policy but at the same time make sure that the attorneys general have the right parameters on them and also keep the CPSC in the driver's seat and to make sure that the State AGs can only seek injunctive relief.
That is a very important point, that injunctive relief, because what that means is there are no money damages with an injunction. They are going out there to force someone to do something such as pull something off the shelf or stop selling something or whatever the case may be. That is a very positive development.
I have heard from a few groups in the last several days on this concern about contingencies: We should not have any contingent fees. Well, realistically, as a practical matter, I do not think you are going to see any contingent fees with injunctive cases. It is very rare to find injunctive cases with a contingency fee. I guess it can happen. I have seen one example where some lawyers tried to do that.
The other thing about the State AGs, given the nature of these claims, I do not think you are going to see very many States use outside counsel. Usually the States bring in outside counsel when there is something very complicated, where there are a lot of costs, or it is a long-term piece of litigation that is going to take years and maybe millions of dollars to repair, very complicated. Again, this is not one of those types of cases. This type of case is you see a CPSC finding, for example, they say the evil eyeballs, kerosene-filled eyeballs cannot be sold in the United States. Some AG is out, they look around, they see it being sold in a Dollar Store, they see it being sold in some discount store somewhere, and they can go after that store and make them get them off the shelves.
Again, I think what you will see here is probably very little litigation. I think once that attorney general tells them, we are about to come after you, in my experience as attorney general, most people will respond to that and respond to that very quickly. They do not want the publicity, they do not want the hassle of selling something such as that.
The last thing I was going to say on the contingent fees is contingent fees, of course, are used in lots of different types of litigation. But if you think about it with injunctive relief cases, there is no money to base a contingent fee on. So if you are going to pull a bunch of ``Evil Eye'' eyeballs off the shelf, how does the contingent fee work? I think more often than not, much more often than not, you will not see any contingent fee cases. I do not think they apply.
The last thing I was going to say on the outside counsel, most States have a process you have to go through to get outside counsel. In fact, when I was attorney general of Arkansas, we never went through the process. We knew about the process; we never went through it. But you actually had to get approval of the State legislature and have the Governor sign off on it. They did that before I became AG. I do not think they ever did that when I was there. I do not think they have done it since. Everyone has a different process, but usually the States will have to go through an RFP type process that can take months. Again, we already have a provision in here where they have to send notice to the CPSC for 60 days. So I would be surprised if you see the States want to stretch out this timeframe, because usually what they have done is they have found a dangerous product in their State, and they are trying to get rid of it.
We have worked very hard to listen to everyone's concerns about the State AGs. We have tried to meet these concerns. We have tried to make sure the concerns are valid. We have tried to meet those and tried to make sure we can keep this bill bipartisan, and hopefully get the 50 votes on this bill as it is written right now.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the time until 5:30 p.m. be used for debate on DeMint amendment No. 4095; that the time be equally divided between Senator DeMint and Senator Pryor or their designees; and that following the use or yielding back of time, the Senate proceed to a vote in relation to the DeMint amendment No. 4095, with no second-degree amendments in order prior to the vote.
Mr. President, I wish to speak about the DeMint amendment. Senator DeMint, by the way, has been very constructive in our meetings and in our discussions. His staff met with my staff last night. The meetings to date have been constructive and positive. We are hoping that they might actually lead to some improvements to the legislation, but we will have to wait and see to know how some of this works out.
I think it is very important for colleagues to understand what this amendment does that Senator DeMint is offering first and that we will vote on at 5:30, and that is it would take the work the Senate has done on this legislation so far and throw it out the window and adopt the House-passed measure. Now, there are a lot of differences between the House and the Senate versions. Senator DeMint was correct a few moments ago when he talked about how there are a lot of similarities as well, and that is exactly right. I think I can be fair in my discussion when I say that at least my impression is that when the House started their process last fall, they were doing it--again, from my perspective--more in terms of a reaction to a lot of the news stories everybody was seeing about dangerous toys and children's products that were setting off alarm bells all over the country. I think their bill started as a reaction to that. That is not a bad way to start a bill; I am not critical of the House in any way on it. I am proud of what they did and glad they got it through their committee and actually passed it on the House floor. I believe it was the very last day they were in session last year--if not the last day, it was the last week. So I am proud of what they have done. I would say their bill is a pretty good bill.
Part of the reason, though, or the primary reason their bill has a lot of similarity to ours is during that process--and this is just legislation; I am not critical at all, but during that process they eventually looked at our bill that we were working on in committee, and they took about half or so of it--maybe about 60 percent of it--and did some cutting and pasting and just put it in their legislation. Again, I am honored that they did and flattered that they did because we had been working hard in the Commerce Committee to make sure the reform we were talking about was comprehensive and was good.
I would say generally, in broad strokes, there are two or three major differences between the House bill and the Senate bill as the Senate bill exists today. One is that we have more enforcement in our legislation. We have more transparency in our legislation. We have more comprehensive reform in our legislation than the House bill does. Again, I am not taking away from the House bill. I appreciate their bipartisan effort over there, so I don't want my words to be interpreted as in any way critical. But I do think our bill is better. Ours is bipartisan--and so is theirs, by the way--with Senator Stevens and Senator Collins. I have spoken with several of my Republican colleagues over the last few days, and I would hope they would consider joining
us as cosponsors. I would love for them to consider doing that today. I had some discussions yesterday with a handful of Republicans who said they were interested in at least considering cosponsoring. So we are waiting to hear back from some of those offices today, but we would love to add more Republican cosponsors if at all possible.
Let me go through some of the primary differences in what the House bill does and what the Senate bill does. There are many. Again, the bills are largely similar because the House adopted a lot of what we did, or more or less adopted what we did in the committee. A lot of that has not changed at all, or it has changed very little. So let me run through a few points, five or six points.
First, I would say the Senate bill is more transparent. When I say that, what I am talking about is, under our bill--again, the bipartisan Senate substitute--what I am talking about is there is more information publicly available to people under the Senate bill. We have seen this happen on many occasions. I was going to tell this story later. We have some charts to this effect I didn't want to bring out right now because we will get into this in more detail later. We are going to talk about several examples of incidents where people were injured and where they had bought and used a product that the CPSC had known about and known about the dangers of it, but the CPSC was in negotiations or in discussions with the manufacturer about doing a recall. In fact, there is one incident we are going to talk about later--and it may be tomorrow at this point, depending on how the rest of the day goes-- there is one product we are going to talk about where a baby crib collapsed, and it caught a young girl's hand in that crib. I think she was roughly about a year old. We will get the facts on this when we go to it. I think she did end up avoiding serious injury, but it was scary. There were some moments there for the parents.
So the father called the manufacturer of the crib and the manufacturer played dumb. They say: Gosh, we didn't know. We never heard of this problem before. We didn't know our cribs had this problem. Are you sure you had it set up the right way? Are you sure she wasn't abusing it somehow? All of those kinds of things.
The father found out later that by the time he called, that company had 80 complaints about that crib doing exactly the same thing. But because there is no transparency under the current law, there was no way for the father to find out.
If our bill passes, we will set up a database that is searchable where you can go and look at a specific product and know if there have been complaints about it before. This will be a huge benefit to parents and grandparents all over the country. We need to do this. The House bill doesn't have that provision. The House bill has a study. It says: Yes, we ought to study this idea of a database, but they don't have a database. In fact, the database we are talking about, we are not inventing this out of whole cloth. We are using another Federal agency's idea which has worked very well, and that is NHTSA, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. I would encourage--here again, I mentioned this before--all of the staff people who are watching in their offices and who think their boss might be undecided on this legislation or undecided on this one point, I would encourage them right now to go to the NHTSA Web site, and there is a little area you can click on that talks about recalled products. I encourage you to do that and go through that and see first how easy it is to use; secondly, the quality of the information that is on there.
Again, we are going to show this later with charts to show all of my Senate colleagues how easy it is, but also how balanced and how fair it is. The industry has had some concerns they will be smeared, that they will be slandered or libeled with all of these complaints. But I think the NHTSA Web site shows it can be done in a very responsible way and done in a way that does help the general public.
Another difference I want to talk about, the second difference between the House version and the Senate version is, the Senate bill-- the bill we are on right now--adopts what they call ASTM963-07, which is a standard that is widely accepted by the industries. ASTM stands for the American Society for Testing and Materials, and that has just kind of become a lingo--ASTM has become a lingo in the consumer product world for a set of standards. ASTM963-07 has become a widely recognized, widely utilized standard.
What we do is, we codify that standard. If our bill passes, it is not going to be voluntary. It is not going to be--some people may be following it, and some people may not. We are going to codify it. We will make it law. Again, these are standards that the industry has been using and has accepted. This is not a controversial piece of this legislation. However, this ASTM963-07 is not in the House bill. So the House bill keeps the status quo. They say they are going to assess the effectiveness. Well, it has already been assessed. It has been out there for years and years and years. Again, it is basically universally agreed that these are good safety standards that set the standard for industry and should be adopted into Federal law.
The third difference with the House bill I wanted to talk about is this idea of punishing companies when they do the wrong thing. The Senate committee passed the bill out of committee with a $100 million civil penalty--$100 million. It went from $1.8 million to $100 million--over 50 times what is in existing law.
The House, in the meantime, passed a provision that had a $10 million penalty. Well, the concern I have with the $10 million penalty--civil penalty--is that for a lot of these big companies, $1.8 million can just be the cost of doing business. Again, we have some charts on this that we may show in the next couple of days--it can be the cost of doing business for some of these big companies--$10 million is better. It gets their attention. But what we do is, we set our cap under the Senate bill at $10 million unless there are aggravating circumstances. If there are aggravating circumstances such as maybe you have a repeat offender, maybe you have some particularly egregious behavior, or maybe you have a company that just absolutely does not have any regard for U.S. safety standards. Again, a lot of these products that are defective are coming in from overseas. Maybe they don't have the quality control over there. I don't know. They maybe have a chronic problem or whatever it may be. The Senate bill allows you to take the $10 million max and do an additional $10 million, again, if there are aggravating circumstances.
Quite frankly, I hope the CPSC never has to use that, but the fact that they have that ability maybe will put a little fear in some people when they make some of these decisions about cutting corners on lead paint or making defective products, whatever they may be.
So, again, the Senate bill has a 10-plus-10 provision, which is $10 million max in lesser aggravating circumstances, and then you can go for an additional $10 million. The House bill just has the flat $10 million.
Another difference, and I would call this the fourth difference between the Senate bill and the House bill, is that the Senate bill has a protection for employees who notify the CPSC of violations. Now, this is important. You don't want employees to be punished for doing the right thing. We all know how it works in the real world. It happens where an employee will, over the objections of a company--over the objections of his employer--go and inform the CPSC about some safety violation. It does happen. Again, we have examples. We have charts if anybody wants to see them, or we have memos and background, news articles, et cetera, if people want to see those. But the truth is, you have to keep this in perspective.
What we are talking about with our so-called whistleblower provision is a provision where an employee--it is basically only triggered when an employee of a company tells the CPSC about a dangerous product.
This is fundamental stuff. This employee is out there letting the public know, basically telling the Government there is a dangerous product that is either in the U.S. market or about to get to the U.S. market. Again, that employee for doing the right thing should not be fired or demoted or whatever the case may be. If we set up a process in our law that is based on existing law where the employee goes
through the Department of Labor process, it is well established, we adopt what this Congress has passed in previous years as the standard we would like to see on our whistleblower statute. The House bill has no such protection. We feel as if this is an important improvement in the legislation because we think we will get more information to the CPSC if the employees understand they are protected.
Let's talk about misinformation about this one provision. In the Commerce Committee bill, we actually had a bounty for these employees for turning in companies. We had a bounty in the bill. When I talked with Senator Stevens, that was not acceptable to him. He made it very clear that he thought it would cause a lot of heartburn on the Republican side. He was very adamant we take that provision out, and we did.
We have also done some other things to build in some safeguards. For example, if an employee files a frivolous claim with the Department of Labor, he can be subject to a $1,000 penalty. I don't have to go through all that today.
Our Senate bill, we believe, is balanced, we believe it is fair, we believe it is in the public interest to have this information come forward and the employee not be punished at work for telling the Government about a safety violation.
The fifth matter I wish to talk about is lead. I heard someone say this bill is the ``get the lead out'' bill. This bill does, for the first time, in a very historic manner, set a standard for lead in children's products. Most Americans believe there is a standard for lead in children's products. There is not a standard. There is a standard for lead in paint but not for children's products.
Every pediatrician with whom I have ever talked and every pediatrician who has testified either on the House side or the Senate side and every scientist will tell you of the dangers of lead. It is basic scientific medical knowledge today that lead is bad for children.
What we do in the Senate version of the legislation is we essentially ban lead. We do not completely ban it because we understand that lead is a naturally occurring element. We are going to have trace amounts of ambient lead in the atmosphere. We acknowledge that in our legislation. And our legislation, when it comes to lead, is more aggressive in getting the lead out of children's products. We do it quicker, and I think we do it in a better way than the House bill does.
The last point I wish to mention on the seven major differences between the House version and the Senate version is the DeMint amendment--and that is what we are talking about today--to make sure the Consumer Product Safety Commission has the funding it needs to do what we want it to do.
The Senate version is a 7-year reauthorization. The DeMint amendment would flat line the funding at a 10-percent level after 2009. Our bill actually has a slower ramp-up or it does have a ramp-up in resources, but we acknowledge there is a lot of work to be done with this Commission. We cannot just give it a year or two of increased appropriations and then flat line it and hope it is going to be OK. What we need to do is continue to invest in this Commission to make sure long term we set it up for success.
The Senate version has that major advantage over the DeMint amendment. The current version has a big advantage over the DeMint amendment when it comes to providing the resources to the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
On that point, I say this: My colleagues all know, because they have seen my voting record, there have been times when I have been pretty much a deficit hawk around here and times when I have tried to shrink Government and different efforts such as that. I am not a person who believes we ought to throw money at a problem because I think generally when we do that, we do not get a very good result. I have seen that time and time again on the Federal level. But this is an exception. This is one of those times when I think we are being targeted, I think we are being responsible, I think we are slowly ramping up this Commission and not throwing a bunch of resources at it right now, but we are measuring out those resources over time, over a several year period.
I think what we will see in 7 years is a much stronger CPSC than we have today. It is not just about the CPSC as a commission being stronger. That may, in and of itself, be OK, but what is good about our legislation, the Senate version, is I believe very strongly we will have a big improvement in safety all across America.
We talk about toys, and toys are a very important piece of what the CPSC does, but they do all kinds of things. Part of this legislation is to have a Federal standard on portable gas cans and the caps that are on gas cans. We have seen that problem in many incidents around the country because there is no common standard on gas caps on these gas cans.
What we will be able to do with this legislation, with the Senate version, is to make the consumer product safety world much safer. Again, my hope is that when we stand here, say, 5 years from now, we will see a precipitous decrease in litigation, we will see a decrease in recalls, we will see a decrease in injuries, and we will see a decrease in deaths as a result of consumer products and consumer product violations.
I say to my fellow Senators, it looks as if we are going to vote on the DeMint amendment at 5:30 p.m. today. I encourage Senators and their staffs to look at the DeMint amendment and look at how it weakens the Senate version of the Consumer Product Safety Reform Act. It does weaken the Senate version. The DeMint amendment is basically--well, it is exactly accepting everything the House has done. We can do better than that. We can be stronger. In fact, I have talked with several House Members who like what we are able to do in the Senate version. The DeMint amendment puts us where the House is, and we need to have the Senate's stamp on this legislation so we can go back home and tell the people what we are doing for them.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the time during the quorum call be equally divided.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, reserving the right to object, I ask that the time come out of the Republican time, because I think the Republicans have 55 minutes, or something like that, and the Democrats only have 28 minutes.
I thank the Senator from California for being so gracious. While she was speaking, I talked to some of the Republican staff. I think they need a little more time and maybe even people on our side need a little more time on the amendment. If possible, I ask the Senator from California to set it aside. We will have a vote at 5:30. We have several Senators who we think will come and speak on the DeMint amendment. We will be working with the Senator as this goes along.
I suggest the absence of a quorum and ask unanimous consent that time under the quorum be divided equally.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to have printed in
the Record a letter, dated February 29, 2008, from the National Association of State Fire Marshals. It is addressed to Senator Inouye and Senator Stevens, where they endorse this legislation, this Senate bill.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from South Carolina for his gracious allotment of time and tell him how much I appreciate his spirit of cooperation and trying to come together and find as much common ground as we can on not just his amendment that is pending but other amendments and other matters. He has been a true gentleman in how he has conducted himself, and I appreciate that.
I wish to say a few words about the DeMint amendment. Really, all the DeMint amendment does is it cedes us to the House version of the bill. It is significantly different. As I said before, the House, during their process, basically took about half, maybe a little more of the Senate committee bill and basically cut and pasted it into their legislation. So we have a little bit of, I guess you can say pride of authorship in the House version. There are a lot of good provisions in the bill.
The House version is different in several material ways. I went through some of those before, but let me touch on about 8 or 10 more items right now. And I can do this very quickly.
First, the Senate bill gives a financial responsibility in the sense that it requires, under certain circumstances, manufacturers to put funds in escrow or to get insurance in the event of a recall. It is not automatic, but it allows the CPSC to do that under cases that might warrant that action. The DeMint amendment takes that away.
The Senate bill has a specific provision on portable gasoline containers and makes it clear that there will be a national standard. Again, the DeMint amendment takes that away.
The Senate bill has several provisions on all-terrain vehicle safety. It sets a national standard. It sets all kinds of benchmarks that need to be met, and it makes the Federal law very clear about ATV safety standards in this country. Unfortunately, the DeMint amendment takes that away.
The Senate bill also contains a garage door opener standard. We all know how dangerous garage door openers can be. They do not have to be. There is technology available. We set a national standard which is a good belt-and-suspenders type of standard. Again, we are talking about garage doors that have a track record of causing injury, in some cases death, not just to children but mostly to children. The DeMint amendment takes that standard away.
The Senate bill also contains a provision on carbon monoxide poisoning, specifically with generators. Again, this has been a problem, not just with Katrina and Rita and other situations such as those but just generally for people who use these generators in various contexts. There has been a carbon monoxide poisoning problem. The Senate bill takes care of that problem. Unfortunately, the DeMint amendment takes that away.
The completion of a cigarette lighter rulemaking is something that has been pending with the CPSC for quite some time. We clarify that there will be a national standard. We set that standard. We pretty much tell the CPSC what needs to happen with this issue. Unfortunately, the DeMint amendment takes that away.
The last point I want to make--there are several other points I could make, but the last one I want to mention is under certain circumstances, the Senate bill provides for the destruction of imported products that violate our safety standards. This is important because if we do not destroy those products, somehow, some way, oftentimes they end up in the U.S. market even though they are not supposed to, but also we see the dumping of these products in Third World countries. If we do not take a principled stand on this issue, we are just going to be dumping our problems on other countries. Unfortunately, the DeMint amendment takes that away.
I am certainly not critical of Senator DeMint or critical of the House. The House came together in a bipartisan way. The bottom line is, we just have a stronger bill in the Senate. It is a bill of which we can be proud. It is a bill people in our home States would love to see us pass. I tell you, most people in Arkansas, most people around the country in the other 49 States probably could not tell you what CPSC stands for, but they could tell you they want stronger and tougher protections when it comes to imported products. They want to make sure someone is watching to make sure the toys they buy for their children and grandchildren are safe. They want to make sure that someone in the Federal Government is watching to make sure products, such as lighters, are safe and products as simple as gasoline cans are safe and that when you use a portable generator, you do not get carbon monoxide poisoning. People in our country expect those kinds of standards, and that is exactly what the Senate bill does. It is good not just for the CPSC, but it is good for this country.
As I have said before, we have several specific differences I have just articulated, differences between the House version and the DeMint amendment, which is basically the House version. The bottom line is, the Senate bill has more transparency, more enforcement, and more comprehensive reform. This bill is something of which we can all be proud. Not that we go home and brag to people in our home States about getting something right up here, but this will give every Senator in this Chamber an opportunity to go to their home State and talk about something good the Senate is doing for this country, something that is nonpolitical, something that is bipartisan, something that is good public policy, and that is the Senate bill.
Again, the House bill is good. It is OK. It is an improvement over current law. I do not have any criticism of our House colleagues for doing what they did, I really do not, especially considering that about half of that bill is really the Senate committee bill. Regardless of that, I do not have any criticism of them, and I do not want anything I have said to be interpreted as criticism. But the Senate bill is stronger, it is better, it is more comprehensive, it is better for the American people, and I think it will, over time, lessen the amount of litigation, and I think over time you will see fewer recalls and you will see consumer confidence in products they buy go up.
Overall, this is a very good bill for the people of this country. I encourage my colleagues to vote no on the DeMint amendment, and on final passage of the Senate bill, whenever that happens--tomorrow or the next day--I
encourage all my colleagues to vote yes.
Mr. President, I yield the floor, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I move to table the DeMint amendment, and I ask for the yeas and nays.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote and move to lay that motion on the table.
The motion to lay on the table was agreed to.
Change of Vote
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.