Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and I call up amendment 4706, as modified, at the desk. I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with. Madam President, Senator…
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending amendment be set aside and I call up amendment 4706, as modified, at the desk.
I ask unanimous consent that reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
Madam President, Senator Wicker, Senator Vitter, myself, and Senator Cochran to some degree have been working for months literally on this bill. It is a very important bill--as has Senator Nelson of Florida--a very important bill to Mississippi and Louisiana that felt the brunt of these last storms that we will be marking the third anniversary of this August, not too far from today, and in September for Hurricane Rita. As I was saying earlier this morning, thousands and thousands and thousands of homeowners are having a difficult time, the causes of which are very different. In some parts of the country people extended debt beyond what was wise and reasonable and find themselves losing their homes and in some instances it is partly their fault.
In some places, some consumers had bad deals thrust at them, and maybe through fraud or some other abuse they find themselves losing their homes. The people I represent didn't do either of those two things. The people I represent in Louisiana and along the gulf coast did nothing but basically play by the rules, have insurance if they were required to, didn't have insurance when they were not required, for the most part. There were some families who should have had insurance who did not, but that is another subject for another day. But the bulk of the people did exactly what they were supposed to do, and they are still going to lose their homes because of two reasons: The Federal levees that should have held didn't and the insurance paradigm we have established is not sufficient. That is what this bill is about.
To describe this in very clear graphics, I wish to put up this poster that shows why we are on the floor today: $17.53 billion; that is a lot of money. That is why this bill is on the floor today, because we have to ``reform the system'' because it is obviously not working. We set up a flood insurance program and for years it would basically break even because of the way it was structured. Then in 2004, it went into debt a little bit, $225 million. Then we went into debt a little bit more, $300 million, but still manageable. Then Katrina and Rita hit and the debt goes up to almost $20 billion. So make no mistake about it, that is why this bill is on the floor. This is a taxpayer bailout of $20 billion. At the same time the taxpayers are bailing out the insurance industry, I wanted to show you what the insurance industry profits are. Everybody--some Republicans and a lot of Democrats--has been on this floor talking about oil companies. I guess I can understand why oil companies are making profits, because prices are high. That is a whole other subject for another day. But I wonder how insurance companies can make profits when you are supposed to have a record loss. I understand profits when prices are high; I don't understand profits when losses are great. There is something wrong with this system.
So, in 2005, the insurance profits went up to $48 billion. Katrina and Rita hit; they don't go down. The profits go up. Because it is basically a system where insurance companies just cannot lose money. People can lose money. People can lose their houses. Businesses lose their businesses. Businesses lose their contents and their markets. But for some reason, in this insurance bill we are operating under, insurance companies make money in the middle of a disaster. Some of my constituents, including myself, would like to know how this happens.
As to the National Flood Insurance Program, the GAO did a report that says: ``Greater Transparency and Oversight of Wind and Flood Damage Determinations Are Needed.'' They just issued this report. I would say so, since the taxpayers are going to pick up the $20 billion bill.
You heard the Senator from Florida, Mr. Nelson. They were so desperate in
Florida, the State had to sort of insure itself, which, thank goodness, Florida is big enough and maybe wealthy enough to do. It is very risky for the State of Florida to do that. If they have four our five hurricanes in one season, like they did a couple seasons ago, it could bankrupt the State. I am sure this debate went on in the Florida Legislature. But they were so desperate, they actually had no recourse because the Federal Government will not come up with a plan that will work for everyone.
So Florida had a choice: They could either shut down every commercial business, shut down every homebuilder, completely stop the housing market in Florida, or they could self-insure themselves. It was a pretty desperate situation, so Florida went ahead and did that.
But let me explain, Louisiana is not a rich State, and we are not a big State. We cannot insure ourselves that way. If we had another Katrina, the whole State would go bankrupt and our kids could not go to universities, our hospitals would shut down. I know people think I am making this up, but it is the truth. We cannot assume that risk onto ourselves, and neither can Mississippi, and I would suggest neither could Alabama. Maybe California could do it, maybe New York could do it, maybe Texas could do it, and maybe Florida could do it because they are big States, but our little States would go bankrupt.
So our GAO says the insurance business needs some more transparency and oversight. I will tell you why. As shown on this chart, this is what is in the report. As you know, maybe by word of explanation, under the current system--as unbelievable as this might sound--you have the real estate agents who are in the private sector writing wind insurance for their companies, which they can make a profit on. It is private. They are writing the flood insurance policies. So it is ``write your own'' policy. So the same people who write the Federal, taxpayer- guaranteed flood program write the private program.
So right now--and this bill does not fix this; this bill does not do anything to fix this--right now, according to our own GAO, Government Accountability Office, which is completely neutral, not political:
In certain damage scenarios, the WYO [write your own]
insurer that covers a policyholder for wind losses can have a
vested economic interest in the outcome of the damage
determination that it performs when the property is subjected
to a combination of high winds and flooding.
Which, hello, most often happens in a hurricane. You have winds and water. So it always happens that way.
In such cases, a conflict of interest exists--
Let me underline ``a conflict of interest exists''--
with the WYO insurer as it determines which damages were
caused by wind, to be paid by itself. . . .
So if a house is destroyed and the person comes in and says: This house was destroyed by wind 85 percent--if that is the case--then I have to pay it out of my pocket. If it is actually 85 percent flood, then the Government can pay it. The poor taxpayers can pick up this tab, so the insurance companies move their liability to the taxpayer.
I know, Madam President, as a former auditor, you can most certainly appreciate and understand this situation.
So it says:
In such cases, a conflict of interest exists with the WYO
insurer as it determines which damages were caused by wind,
to be paid by itself, and which damages were caused by
flooding, to be paid by NFIP [the National Flood Insurance
Program].
Which is basically the taxpayers.
Moreover, the amount WYO insurers are compensated . . .
In addition to that obvious conflict of interest, which is not corrected in this bill, the insurers are compensated for servicing a flood claim, and it increases as the amount of the flood damage increases. So their compensation, their percentage is increased. So if the flood insurance is more, they get a little bit of a premium.
So this bill has been in committee being worked out through the House and Senate, it is finally on the floor, and this problem has not been corrected. So that is why I offer my amendment to try to correct some portion of it.
Let me show you one of the actual transactions we have uncovered. This is an actual blowup of a claim, the paperwork that was done. It talks about the flood that occurred on August 29. Damage appears to be the result of the general condition of flooding. The first inspection revealed an exterior waterline of 15 to 20 feet, an interior waterline of 8 to 12 feet. Damage was extensive. It lists this.
That sounds wonderful and great. That is kind of what one of these documents would look like. The problem is, the adjuster who turned in that document said--this is under oath in one of the court proceedings that is slowly moving through the courts--``I did not put those numbers in there.'' ``There was no house to measure a waterline.'' ``I did not prepare that letter.'' ``They didn't call me about that letter.'' ``That is the document that is sent to the Federal Government.'' This is an adjuster. We have blocked his name out because he would probably get in trouble if they knew he was sharing this information with us.
So, in other words, again, this is not complicated, because I know insurance can be complicated. I do not really like the subject very much, but I have had to learn more about it than I care to know because of what we are going through.
But we have a system which we are getting ready to vote on right now that allows the same insurance companies to write their own personal policies or their own business policies, and they do the Government a ``big favor'' by writing the flood insurance policies. They decide when their houses are destroyed, how much they have to pay out of pocket, if it was done by wind, or how much we have to pay if it was done by flood. These documents are barely ever audited, or this system is barely ever audited.
When we went and checked, as shown on this chart, this was the house that supposedly had a water line. Of course, you can see this address. There was no house. There could not possibly have been any measurement because there are no walls to measure. So this is just an example of hundreds that are coming out as these court cases move forward all along the gulf about the very serious problems related to the way the U.S. flood insurance program works.
Now, I know we need a flood insurance program. My State benefits tremendously from having one that is fair and equitable to the people who are paying the premiums, to the homeowners and businesses who rely on it. I also have an obligation to taxpayers generally in this country to support a program that is honest and fair. What I am suggesting is that the bill we are about to vote on--which is probably why I am going to vote no--does not do anything to change this.
So I am going to put up my ``$20 billion'' sign again. This $20 billion debt exists in large measure because of this system I have just described. Now, this bill is going to pass, and magically the Federal Government is going to just absorb the $20 billion so we kind of get back to even. The bill, then, generally said, to make up for that, we are going to raise rates. But do you know on whom they raise rates? Not on the insurance companies that have already made record profits. Do you know on whom they raise rates? People who cannot afford the rates today. In the underlying bill, they can raise rates 15 percent a year or 25 percent a year.
When we ask the committee to please consider that the people of Mississippi and Louisiana and Alabama cannot afford higher insurance rates, couldn't we possibly consider some kind of catastrophic plan-- because we might have hurricanes, but Memphis is going to have an earthquake someday, and Seattle is going to have a tsunami; in 1938, a hurricane 5 slammed into Long Island--we are told no. We cannot even consider such a thing.
So there are many things wrong, and I really cannot correct them. I tried to hold this bill up as long as I could, and everybody decided we needed to have a flood insurance bill, so I said: Fine. Let the bill come to the floor, but I am going to talk against it. That is what I plan to do.
So the purpose of this bill is for the taxpayers to eat $20 billion, to let insurance companies have record profits, and the end result is the people of Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana get rates raised every year from now until who knows. And I am supposed to just
sit here and say this is a great bill the committee came up with?
So the amendment I am offering--which is not going to fix this bill, but it might fix one problem with this bill--is to establish an ombudsman.
Oh, and this is really ironic, what is in the underlying bill. In the underlying bill, there is a provision that establishes an office to register complaints. It is a flood insurance advocate section of this bill. If I had the section, I would read it. But in the underlying bill, there is a section that talks about that if anybody has a complaint, they could call a 1-800 number and complain.
Now, I have e-mails up to my ceiling in my office from people--not complaining, crying--not complaining, crying because they are getting ready to lose their business or lose their house. But they could, in the underlying bill, call a 1-800 number and make a complaint. But the language is so weak and flimsy, there is really not anything they can do other than complain.
So I have taken that section and strengthened it. That is what my amendment does. It does not just establish a complaint counter. It establishes an office that has some teeth. It establishes an ombudsman's office. We kind of took the language from some of our IG legislation which will allow the establishment of an office with some significant funding attached to it that can review and audit more carefully this National Flood Insurance Program.
I would hope the leaders of this committee would look carefully at this amendment and know that I offer it in very good faith. Again, I do not believe the underlying bill, in this provision just establishing an office to complain, is enough considering the gravity of the situation we are dealing with.
I offer this amendment in good faith. I offer it with Senator Nelson from Florida as a cosponsor. It establishes an office that would conduct audits to ensure that only flood losses are being allocated to the flood insurance program. It ensures that write-your-own insurers are preserving the necessary documentation to justify their payments, to conduct any other examinations to protect the financial integrity of the program, and to prevent fraud and abuse and conflicts of interest.
Now, again, our Government Accounting Office has already established there is an inherent conflict of interest in the current program. So we are not guessing that there might be a conflict of interest; there is a conflict of interest. It says so according to the GAO:
In certain damage scenarios, the insurer that covers a
policyholder for wind losses can have a vested economic
interest in the outcome of the damage determination that it
performs when the property is subjected to a combination of
high winds and flooding. A conflict of interest exists, as it
determines whether it says your house was damaged by wind.
So let me go ahead and pay your claim on it, or the insurer says: No, I think it was damaged by flood, which then the taxpayers can pay for, and my insurance company gets off Scot-free. And maybe, just maybe, that might explain why in the worst disaster in the history of the United States, at least recently, taxpayers have to pick up $20 billion and insurance companies file record profits.
Is there anything in this underlying bill that might suggest that we could watch the taxpayers' money a little more carefully? No. They put in an office, a 1-800 number where people might complain.
So instead of the 1-800 number where people might complain, I would like to put in an office where, if something is wrong, people can be criminally prosecuted. If there is fraud, people can be penalized with civil penalties and criminal penalties.
I know this is very tough language, but I am not suggesting this particular document suggests that there is any stealing or any crime. But there is something wrong in our system of justice where somebody goes into a grocery store and steals $100 and gets 3 years in jail, and we have companies that--``fudge'' is the word. They didn't really use the word ``steal,'' but they will fudge a little and take $20 billion out of the Treasury and they get nothing--not a slap on the wrist, not a fine. The only thing that happens is the poor homeowners and businesses get increased premiums. So that is one of the things this amendment does.
I hope my colleagues, whether they vote for the bill--I probably will not vote for the bill unless it is amended substantially, which it may be between now and the time we vote on final passage--but I hope my colleagues will look very carefully at this amendment that I offer with Senator Nelson. It establishes basically an IG ombudsman within this program to make sure the taxpayers don't pick up another $20 billion in costs.
I know people will say: Well, Senator Landrieu, if we don't have this bill, your people won't have flood insurance. Well, I understand that, but our people have--we are between a rock and a hard place. We need flood insurance, but we need flood insurance that we can afford. We would like to believe we have a flood insurance program that operates honestly. I am not sure that we do. So that is what this amendment does, amendment No. 4706.
Amendment No. 4705, as Modified, to Amendment No. 4707
I have one final amendment to offer. If I can, I would like to send the amendment, as modified, No. 4705, to the desk.
I ask unanimous consent to dispense with the reading of the amendment.
Madam President, I send this amendment to the desk, which is actually on behalf of myself, Senator Lincoln, and Senator Pryor, that addresses the mandatory coverage requirements in the underlying bill. I hope my colleagues will not think again that this bill only affects the gulf coast because there are some provisions in this bill that are going to affect the entire country.
One of the provisions is, it is going to be mandatory as FEMA maps home and businesses located beyond levees and dams and floodwalls and other manmade structures into residual risk areas. Once these homes and businesses are mapped into such areas, the legislation would require them to purchase flood insurance.
Now, levees and dams don't just exist in New Orleans, although we have quite a few of them because we are a low-lying area. But we have 14,000 miles of Federal levees throughout the country along many rivers. In fact, I see the Senator from North Dakota, and he himself has had very significant experience with one of his towns being demolished, devastated, almost completely destroyed, I think it was maybe 15 years ago, when their levees broke. So he is well aware.
Whether you are in Michigan or Illinois or Missouri or in many places where there are levees and dams, there are 14,000 miles of Federal levees, 79,000 dams, and 22 percent of all counties
and parishes have a levee. So it is one out of every four that will be affected by the underlying bill; that is, once FEMA finishes mapping the whole United States, which they are doing and which we need to do. We need to have better maps using new technology to try to determine who is near sea level and who is above sea level and who is at risk. I have no problem with that. But this bill will mandate that everybody behind those levees pays insurance.
So my amendment will basically establish before that requirement goes into place--and, again, it may be necessary--that there be adequate study about the issue. The amendment strikes the mandatory purchase requirement. In its place, it requires the GAO to study the cost, the regulatory, financial, and economic impacts of extending the mandatory purchase on the cost of home ownership, the actuarial soundness to this program, to the local communities, insurance companies, and local land use; the effectiveness of sending such a purchase requirement in protecting homeowners from financial loss and protecting the financial soundness of the program.
Now, I know this was debated in committee. I am not sure that it has gotten a lot of coverage, but my phone has been ringing off the hook from other Senators who are just waking up and saying: Well, Senator, I thought this flood insurance program only affected those places along the coast, and now I am realizing this flood insurance ``reform'' bill is going to raise fees--not necessarily taxes but premiums--on thousands and thousands and thousands of homeowners and businesses throughout the country.
We may have to do that. We may have to do that. But let's do it after GAO has studied and laid out what the impact and ramifications are, and let's do it in a system that is fair so it is not just the homeowners who have to pay premiums, the taxpayers who bail them out when there is a problem, and insurance companies that can't lose money under the current system. That is basically the system that we have.
So, again, 43 million people are affected by the underlying bill with this new provision. Twenty-two percent of all counties in the country, and in our case parishes, have levees; 79,000 dams and 14,000 miles of Federal levees.
So these are the two amendments that I offer. This has been done in a package with Senator Wicker and Senator Vitter. We have offered a package of amendments trying to fix and expand wind coverage to this bill, to lift the coverage limits.
Again, a big problem with this bill is it has not kept pace with inflation and only covers homes valued up to $225,000. That might sound like a lot, but it is not keeping pace with inflation. Our amendment would lift the coverage to homes over $325,000.
Then my ombudsman amendment and this mandatory coverage reprieve would be the other amendment.
Yes, I will.
It doesn't strike the mapping requirement. It doesn't strike the mapping requirement, but it strikes the mandatory coverage provision until there is a study done about what the economic impact will be to people living behind those levees and dams.
Yes, it does. That is the intent of the amendment.
Madam President, there are many Senators who feel as though this is a very abrupt requirement. They are not sure of what the outcome of these premiums might be to people who are already struggling with higher costs. And because there is no estimate to my knowledge, we thought it would be better to offer an amendment that would basically require a study so more discussion can be had, and then perhaps later we could insist on mandatory coverage or phase it in as is appropriate. But is that the Senator's concern?
I would be happy to. I appreciate the Senator raising it. I will review the way this amendment is structured. But, again, I would be happy to work with the Senator so we could offer something together because there are many Senators who are concerned, and rightly concerned, about this particular section.
If the Senator would allow me to finish, I will be happy to yield the floor for further discussion because I am about ready to finish my remarks. There are no votes scheduled. There are other amendments that are going to be offered. But, again, a package has been put together by several Senators, both Republicans and Democrats.
I have to say again, in conclusion, I don't like the underlying bill. I did a great deal to keep this bill bottled up in committee for over 2 years. But I have been convinced the better way to proceed is to have this bill come to the floor, which is what I allowed with Senator Vitter and Senator Wicker, as long as we can offer amendments and have some time to air our grievances. The chairman of the committee and the ranking member of the committee have been men of their word and allowed us to do so.
So at some point, Madam Chair, I would request that the Senate vote on these amendments together as a package, but individually the one regarding wind, the one regarding the increased coverage, the one regarding the ombudsman, and the amendment regarding the mandatory coverage, and then the additional coverage options. So there are five amendments in this package that we have been working on. At some point, when that can be agreed to, we can move this bill forward.
In the meantime, I will be happy to work with my colleague from North Dakota to see if the language he has suggested is the same as ours. If not, perhaps we can modify our amendment to accommodate that, or perhaps he will offer the amendment with our acquiescence.
With that, I yield the floor to my friend from North Dakota.
Will the Senator yield?
I don't know how this will be resolved. I certainly can appreciate that, and I agree with the Senator, because one size doesn't fit all, which has been part of the problem with this bill--that it is pushing everyone into a one-size-fits-all requirement. It is not the appropriate response to our situation. I hope the Senator will consider either modifying the amendment I have laid down, or I would be happy to actually support a narrower amendment that any communities that can establish that they have created protection that is over and above the average, which is 100-year flood protection, might not be subject to this requirement.
As the Senator knows--because he is chairman of the Appropriations Committee that funds levees in the country, so he most certainly is one of the leading experts--the standard in America right now is not sufficient, and it is 1 storm out of 100. Very few communities can boast of being as protected as his community can. I suggest that most certainly I would not object as the main author of the amendment, but there are several cosponsors. I am sure we could work something out.
I object.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that amendment No. 4705 be modified further with the changes at the desk and that Senators Dorgan, Lincoln, and Pryor be added as cosponsors.
Mr. President, if this amendment does not pass, significant portions of many States will be
required to have flood insurance which has never been required before. The underlying bill says everywhere there is a dike, a dam, or a levy, regardless of the situation behind the dike, dam, or levy, regardless of how strong the dike, dam, or levy is, you will be required to have flood insurance. That is a very different jump from where we are today. Our amendment strikes that language and instead says there shall be a study and evaluation to make better determinations.
This is a tough issue because we were behind levees that broke. It would have been a good idea, but this is a tax and fees on people without the appropriate study. That is what our amendment does.