Mr. President, I can only repeat what the President's spokesman himself said. I am responding to the question propounded to me by the Senator from Illinois. It is my understanding the President's spokesman yesterday refused to say what…
Mr. President, I can only repeat what the President's spokesman himself said. I am responding to the question propounded to me by the Senator from Illinois. It is my understanding the President's spokesman yesterday refused to say what would happen to Ghailani if he were found not guilty. So there is some confusion about that.
Is the Senator asking me a question?
Let me say I am only quoting the President's spokesman. He says he doesn't know what would happen if Ghailani is released.
Let me say to the Senator from Illinois, let's assume that he is sent back to the country from which he came. I ask, in what way is America safer if this terrorist subsequently, under this hypothetical release in the United States, goes back to his native country from which he potentially could launch another attack on the United States?
I say to my friend from Illinois, he has made this point before, and I answered it before. I will answer it again.
I was against it when President Bush was in favor of it. I have been consistently against closing Guantanamo all along the way, no matter who the President was. At least you could say this about President Bush: He didn't put a date on it before he had an idea what he was going to do with them. And that is the core issue here.
I say to my friend from Illinois, maybe we found an area of agreement. He is critical of the Bush administration for not conducting military tribunals more rapidly. I agree with him. I think they should have been tried more rapidly. But that
is the place to try them, right down there in Guantanamo.
If my friend is suggesting it is a good idea to bring these terrorists into the United States and, if convicted, put them in U.S. facilities, the supermax facility has basically no room. There may be one bed. As far as I know, there is no room at supermax.
Not only do we have, if we bring them into the United States--I don't know why I am smiling. This is not a laughing matter. Say what you will about the previous administration, but we were not attacked again after 9/11.
I don't have the floor, I say to my friend from Arizona. Maybe he can get the Senator from Illinois to yield for a question as well.
I don't think we want to complain about the fact we haven't been attacked again since 9/11, I say to my friend from Illinois. Containing terrorists at Guantanamo, going after terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, clearly something worked. And to argue we would somehow be made more safe in this country by closing down Guantanamo I find borders almost on the absurd.
Mr. President, let me say Senator McCain and Senator Graham can speak for themselves, but neither of them has ever been in favor of closing Guantanamo without a plan to do something. They want to see what the plan is to deal with these terrorists. Beyond that, they can speak for themselves. But they are not in favor of closing Guantanamo without a plan.
With regard to the suggestion that we should bring these prisoners to the United States and try them, my good friend from Illinois has suggested there is no down side to that. Why not do it? We could. But the question is, Should we? We should not because we passed the military commissions for the purpose of trying these very detainees. There are courtrooms and a $200 million state-of-the-art facility at Guantanamo to both incarcerate them and to try them. We know no one has ever escaped there, and we know we haven't been attacked again since 9/ 11.
But let's assume we did bring them up here for trial. My good friend has suggested no harm done. During the Ramzi Yousef trial, he tipped off terrorists to a communications link. During the Zacarias Moussaoui trial, there was inadvertently leaked sensitive material. The east Africa Embassy bombing trials aided Osama bin Laden. The blind Sheikh Abdel-Rahman trial provided intel to Osama bin Laden. When you have these kinds of trials in a regular American criminal setting, there are down sides to it.
In terms of community disruption, I would cite the mayor of Alexandria, VA, right across the river. Ask him
how he felt about the impact of the Moussaoui trial on their community.
So I think the suggestion that somehow it is a good solution to bring these terrorists to the United States and to mainstream them into the U.S. criminal justice system is simply misplaced. If they are convicted, we don't have a good place for them. Everybody cited the supermax facility. Well, there is no room there. It is quite full. We have the perfect place for these detainees, for them to be detained and to be tried and ultimate decisions made.
I share the view of the Senator from Illinois that the previous administration did not engage in those military tribunals as rapidly as we all would like. They had a lot of disruptions from lawsuits and other things, and I expect they would argue that slowed them down. But I think they are in the right place--the right place to be incarcerated and the right place to have their cases disposed of.
Mr. President, my friend from Arizona is here and wants to address this, or another issue, and so I yield the floor.