I have no objection if the Senator from Iowa wants to speak at this time. It is our understanding if we didn't take the floor, Senator Schumer would. He is not here, but I would be happy to yield to the Senator from Iowa. I reserve the…
I have no objection if the Senator from Iowa wants to speak at this time.
It is our understanding if we didn't take the floor, Senator Schumer would. He is not here, but I would be happy to yield to the Senator from Iowa. I reserve the remainder of our time.
Mr. President, I reserve the remainder of our time. Senator Schumer is now here and he can go ahead.
I have no objection if the Senator from Iowa would like to follow the Senator from New York.
Mr. President, I understand the time is divided equally. Whatever is left, they would use.
As long as it is on their time, it is fine with me.
Mr. President, the distinguished Senator from Iowa is concerned that they have used up their time. I would have yielded him some time from my time if necessary. So there is no desire to mistreat him or to treat him unfairly.
But let's just get the facts here. The nomination of Jeffrey Sutton has been sitting here for 2 solid years and now we hear complaints that we have to have a vote at 12:10 or 12? Come on.
Plus, I get a little tired of hearing from the other side that they seem to be the only people who care about persons with disabilities. I can tell you
that bill would not have passed had it not been for people on this side, and I was one of the leaders. I managed the floor for the Americans with Disabilities Act. I was in all the meetings. I helped to negotiate the compromise with the White House. I helped to resolve the problem. And I feel every bit as deeply about persons with disabilities, and so do all of my Republican colleagues, as do my wonderful friends on the other side, who seem to think they are the only ones who care about persons with disabilities, or civil rights.
The fact is that had it not been for the Republican Party, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 wouldn't have passed. I get a little tired of this holier-than-thou attitude--that they are the only ones who understand and they are the only ones who feel deeply about it.
I managed the floor the day we passed the Americans with Disabilities Act--and I went with the distinguished Senator from Iowa outside to meet with the folks who were suffering from disabilities, and we both broke down and cried because we were so happy to have passed that bill. I remember the day that I carried my brother-in-law through the Los Angeles temple in my arms with a great effort because he contracted both types of polio. He contracted polio and became a paraplegic who went on to finish his undergraduate, and went on to receive his master's in electrical engineering. He worked up to the day he died, although he came home every night and got into an iron lung.
So I hope our colleagues on the other side quit suggesting that we don't seem to understand on this side the problems people have with disabilities. We do understand.
Jeffrey Sutton worked for his father who ran a school for kids with cerebral palsy. To have him maligned here today and yesterday the way he has been, after 2 years of sitting here waiting to get a chance to have a vote up or down, goes a little bit beyond the pale.
I support this nomination of Jeffrey Sutton to be a judge on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals precisely because he is a person of capacity, decency, and honor who cares for those with disabilities. He is one of the top appellate lawyers in the country. He has nearly the highest rating from the American Bar Association. They don't give that rating out easily. To have him presented here today as outside of the mainstream--that means outside of the way certain Senators on the other side believe--well, I have to say that isn't the description of the mainstream. Mr. Sutton is one of the top appellate lawyers in the country. He has argued over 45 appeals in this country--appeals for a diversity of citizens in Federal and State courts across the country, including an impressive number--12 cases--before the U.S. Supreme Court. And I hear that he is outside the mainstream because he wins his cases before the Supreme Court? In a couple of cases, he lost. They disagree with that, too.
I happen to believe the Supreme Court decides what mainstream is, in many cases. They are not always right; I admit that. I was disappointed in some of their decisions. But the fact is he has been more in the mainstream than some of his critics. He understands what mainstream is. In 2001, he had the best appellate advocate record of any advocate before the Supreme Court, arguing four cases and winning all four of them. The fact that my colleagues on the other side do not like the results in those cases--a number of which were decided unanimously by the Supreme Court--shows they are outside the mainstream.
On January 2, 2003, the American Lawyer named him one of the best 45 lawyers in the country under the age of 45. That doesn't sound like somebody who is out of the mainstream.
He is an outstanding nominee. I urge all of my colleagues to support him.
I am happy to yield time to the distinguished Senator from Ohio.
Mr. President, I also compliment my esteemed colleague from Ohio for his excellent remarks. Nobody knows this man better than the distinguished Senator from Ohio. And, frankly, I know him quite well myself. We ought to pay attention to the people who know him and not make up stories about him, which I think is what is happening.
I have seen more and more of a vindictive approach against President Bush's judgeship nominees than I have ever seen in my 27 years in the Senate. To malign these people who have the highest rating from the American Bar Association, as though they are not in the judicial mainstream, I think is hitting below the belt. And everybody suspects the reason why this hitting below the belt is occurring is because, No. 1, they think he might be pro-life. I do not know what he is as far as that particular issue. The fact is, no single issue should stop somebody who is otherwise qualified from serving in the Federal Government and serving his fellow human beings in this country.
But No. 2 is, they are afraid this fellow has Supreme Court potential, as many of President Bush's nominees have who have such high ratings. So there is a deliberate attempt to damage him on his way up to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals so he will never be nominated for the Supreme Court.
Mr. President, I support the nomination of Jeffrey Sutton to be a judge on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals because he is worthy of it. Mr. Sutton, like I say, is one of the top appellate lawyers in the country today. There is no question about it. I have mentioned how many cases he has argued, appellate cases, and at least 12 before the Supreme Court, winning most of them. I spoke yesterday at length about Mr. Sutton's extremely accomplished legal record and the numerous letters of support I have received on his behalf.
Let me just take a few minutes today to discuss some additional points my colleagues on the other side have raised.
Specifically, I would like to respond to the points raised on the topic of federalism. It is as though they do not believe in federalism, they only believe the Federal Government should have total control over everything. It is one reason I left the Democratic Party long ago, because I realized there is a principle of federalism that is hallowed in this country, constitutionally hallowed.
Mr. Sutton has argued three very important cases that have resulted in hotly debated U.S. Supreme Court opinions concerning the scope of Congress's power under section 5 of the 14th amendment to regulate State governments. Some of his critics--and a number of them, almost all of them--have suggested his involvement in these cases should somehow disqualify him from the bench.
I think everyone here knows I have worked hard to enact some of the very laws Mr. Sutton argued against on behalf of his clients as an advocate, which is his responsibility as an attorney. Together with my good friend and colleague, the senior Senator from Massachusetts, and others, I worked very long hours on the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which was struck down in the City of Boerne case. I was one of the principal sponsors of and managed the floor for the Americans with Disabilities Act, a small portion of which was limited by University of Alabama v. Garrett, a case argued by Jeffrey Sutton. I also worked closely with the distinguished Senator from Delaware on another law that the Supreme Court, in the Morrison case, found, in part, to be beyond Federal authority--the Violence Against Women Act.
It is important to understand that, notwithstanding the suggestions of some of my Democratic colleagues yesterday, the arguments Mr. Sutton advanced on behalf of his clients in Garrett and Morrison did not advocate an outright repeal of the ADA or the Violence Against Women Act, nor did those arguments suggest the purposes of those laws were not worthwhile. Ultimately, the Supreme Court's decisions in those cases did limit certain aspects of those pieces of legislation, and I will admit it was disappointing to see that happen after I put so much time and energy into their enactment.
Under these circumstances, it would be relatively easy for me to take cheap shots and criticize Mr. Sutton for the role he played as an advocate in those cases. But I am certainly not going to do so, for the simple reason that ascribing to Mr. Sutton the positions of his clients is wrong, it is unfair, it is not right, it is beneath the dignity of those who are attorneys who understand that advocates are advocates, and they should carry the best argument for their clients they can.
This principle is so fundamental that it hardly merits mention, and yet you hear these arguments like he should not have done that. If we should not do things as attorneys, maybe there will not be any advocates to advocate for various positions.
Moreover, as a substantive matter, none of Mr. Sutton's arguments can fairly be characterized as outside the mainstream--not one.
In the City of Boerne v. Flores, a 6-to-3 decision he won, dealing with the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, none--none--of the Supreme Court Justices disagreed with the position Mr. Sutton advocated in that case--none. All nine agreed with him. So he is outside the mainstream of American jurisprudence? Guess who is outside the mainstream. It isn't Mr. Sutton. It is this desire that everybody think in lockstep, and do in lockstep, what some on the other side think ought to be done. No Justice disagreed with him.
Now, as much as my colleagues do not like the Supreme Court, I have to tell you, they are a coequal branch of Government, and they do help us to know what the law really is. And none of them disagreed with Mr. Sutton.
The same was true in Kimel v. Florida Board of Regents--not one Justice on the Supreme Court disagreed with the interpretation of the 14th amendment Mr. Sutton advanced in that case--not one. Who is outside the mainstream? It certainly isn't Mr. Sutton.
Now, I will concede the Garrett case was a bit narrower, but it was still a 5-to-4 decision. Five of the Justices voted with Mr. Sutton's argument in that case. Nevertheless, almost by definition, I think legal arguments which garner that kind of support in the Supreme Court simply cannot be pegged as outside of the mainstream of American legal thinking as to be somehow unworthy of an advocate--or a judicial nominee.
I agree. My colleagues don't agree with him or didn't agree with his arguments. I didn't in some ways. But that disagreement should not stop us from voting for a person who, as an advocate, had an obligation to make those arguments and who won on his arguments.
I would also like to discuss Mr. Sutton's comments in the media mentioned during the course of this debate. Much ado has been made about his comment reported in the Legal Times that:
It doesn't get me invited to cocktail parties, but I love
these issues. I believe in this Federalism stuff.
Tell me what is wrong with that. Federalism is a hallowed principle of constitutional law. I believe in it, too. I believe deep down some of my colleagues on the other side believe in it, although I have to admit, I think a
number of them don't. They are wrong not to. They are outside of the mainstream of American jurisprudence.
Well, federalism is not a bad word or an unpopular concept. It is a well-established part of our system of government. As the Supreme Court noted in its 1995 decision in U.S. v. Lopez:
Just as the separation and independence of coordinate
branches of the Federal Government serve to prevent the
accumulation of excessive power in any one branch, a healthy
balance of power between the States and the Federal
Government will reduce the risk of tyranny and abuse from
either front.
The court also noted that:
This constitutionally mandated division of authority ``was
adopted by the framers to ensure protection of our
fundamental liberties.''
Who is outside of the mainstream of American jurisprudence? Certainly not Mr. Sutton. Some of these arguments made against him are outside. I admit that.
That is what federalism means. Like Jeffrey Sutton, I believe in it, too. I think anybody who understands constitutional law must believe in it. We could differ as to how it should be applied in all cases, but those are political arguments. Frankly, an advocate has an obligation to represent his client and do the best he can for them, which Sutton did, and he won.
Just as I believe in the separation of powers of the three branches of the Federal Government, believing in federalism does not mean you always believe States should prevail in any given dispute. Mr. Sutton doesn't believe that; neither do I. As I have stated before, I am disappointed any time the Supreme Court holds unconstitutional any legislation for which I fought and bled, that I vigorously worked to enact. However, I do believe in the Federal system that our Founders created and the courts have protected over the years. I cannot derive from Mr. Sutton's quote that he meant anything more than he believed in federalism as a structural component of our American system of government, something I think is certainly true.
I want to make a few points about Mr. Sutton's record which has been attacked, I believe, unfairly. We are getting used to that in the Senate. Some suggest that the few cases in which Mr. Sutton has represented States, in what some consider unpopular causes, demonstrates a bias towards States rights. However, Mr. Sutton has represented a wide range of clients in his legal practice. In those cases where he represented States, he was either acting in his official capacity or was hired by the State and paid a full fee. However, he has represented a significant number of clients with very diverse interests on a pro bono basis. These clients include death row defendants, prisoner rights plaintiffs, the National Coalition for Students with Disabilities, the NAACP, the Center for Handgun Violence--to name a few. I notice some of my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee on the Democrat side have sent out a letter criticizing him, saying he has never done anything for civil rights. What are those cases?
In addition, I recently received a very supportive letter from Mr. Riyaz Kanji, a former law clerk to Supreme Court Justice David Souter and Judge Betty Fletcher of the Ninth Circuit, neither of whom would be considered conservatives by any judicial measure. He said that he contacted Mr. Sutton in advance to ask for assistance on an amicus brief for the National Congress of American Indians and an Indian law case pending before the U.S. Supreme Court. Mr. Kanji wrote:
Mr. Sutton took the time to call me back from vacation the
very next morning to express a strong interest in working on
the case. In our ensuing conversations, it became apparent to
me that Mr. Sutton did not simply want to work on the matter
for the small amount of compensation it would bring him (he
readily agreed to charge far below his usual rates for the
brief), but that he instead had a genuine interest in
understanding why Native American tribes have fared as poorly
as they have in front of the Supreme Court in recent years .
. . I think it is fair to say that most individuals who are
committed to furthering the cause of State's rights without
regard to any other values or interests in our society do not
evidence that type of concern for tribal interests.
I would also like to share a letter from a good friend, former colleague to all of us in this body, Senator Robert Dole. Senator Dole was also in the meetings when we were able to arrive at a final conclusion on the Americans with Disabilities Act. He was instrumental in passing the Americans with Disabilities Act. Senator Dole is a well- known advocate for the rights of disabled Americans. He wrote a letter to the Judiciary Committee strongly supporting Jeffrey Sutton because of his ``demonstrated commitment to safeguarding the rights of all Americans, especially those of persons with disabilities.''
I ask unanimous consent to print a copy of the Dole letter in the Record, along with some of the copies of other letters of support for Jeffrey Sutton's nomination that the committee has received.
Mr. President, I also point out a letter from Bonnie Campbell from Arent Fox, who herself was not approved to go on the court. I feel badly that we were unable to get to her. But she writes:
. . . to urge prompt confirmation of Jeffrey S. Sutton to
the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. I
believe that Mr. Sutton is eminently qualified and would be a
great asset to the federal judiciary.
By the way, Ms. Campbell headed the Violence Against Women efforts on behalf of the Clinton administration; some on the other side have criticized Mr. Sutton and his arguments on the violence against women cases before the Supreme Court.
She goes on to say:
Mr. Sutton is one of the top appellate advocates in the
country, having argued twelve cases in the United States
Supreme Court, with a 9-2 record (and one case pending). In
the 2002 and 2001 Term, he argued more cases than any other
private attorney in the country, and won all four of them.
And in Hohn v. United States . . . the Court sua sponte
appointed Mr. Sutton to argue the case as a friend of the
Court.
That in and of itself, I might add, shows the high esteem with which the Supreme Court holds this man, certainly a man not outside the mainstream. She said:
When he served as State Solicitor of Ohio, the National
Association of Attorneys General presented Mr. Sutton with
the Best Brief Award for practice in the United States
Supreme Court, an unprecedented four times in a row.
Does that sound like somebody outside the mainstream? Continuing from the letter:
And this month the American Lawyer included Mr. Sutton in
its list of the top 45 lawyers in the country under the age
of forty-five.
I understand that some legal arguments Mr. Sutton has made
in the course of representing clients have aroused some
controversy in connection with his nomination. Having recent
experience myself with the judicial confirmation process, I
strongly urge the Senate to reject any unfair inference that
Mr. Sutton's personal views must coincide with positions he
has advocated on behalf of clients.
This is exactly the argument made by a number on the other side, an argument she rejects. She continues:
It is, of course, the role of the advocate to raise the
strongest available arguments on behalf of a client's
litigation position regardless of the lawyer's personal
convictions on the proper legal, let alone policy, outcome of
the case. I am confident that Mr. Sutton has the ability,
temperament, and objectivity to be an excellent judge.
I respect her for writing that letter. I have to say I admire her for doing so.
I might add that in Senator Dole's letter, he went on to list Mr. Sutton's work on behalf of Cheryl Fischer and the nonprofit Equal Justice Foundation, which often represents disabled clients in the Ohio community. Senator Dole continued:
I do not write these words lightly. As you know, I spent
many years in the United States Senate fighting for the
rights of the disabled.
I have no doubt that, if he is confirmed, Jeff Sutton will
faithfully enforce that law, just as he will enforce all laws
of Congress. And I have no doubt that he will scrupulously
respect the rights of the disabled, just as he will respect
the rights of all Americans.
I hope my colleagues will take note of Senator Dole's endorsement, which I believe speaks volumes on the integrity and fairness of Jeffrey Sutton. His record indicates he will be a brilliant jurist of whom we can all be proud.
I am going to cast my vote in favor of this confirmation to the Sixth Circuit, and I strongly urge all of my colleagues to do the same. I urge my colleagues to get beyond these fallacious arguments that he is outside of the mainstream of American jurisprudence, these arguments that he is unworthy of being in this position--although they admit he is a highly qualified, good person. Think about it.
The fact is, their gold standard rated him--the American Bar Association--nearly the highest possible rating available. Now, that speaks volumes.
I reserve the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished Senator from Georgia.
How much time remains on both sides?
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I will only take a few minutes and then I intend to yield back the remainder of our time, as long as no one else wants to speak.
I appreciate the distinguished Senator from Iowa. I would have yielded time to him, had he needed time, without the extra 10 minutes that were asked for.
It seems to me the arguments on the other side come down to this. Mr. Sutton is outside the mainstream of American jurisprudence, that he advocated cases that literally the Supreme Court agreed with, that they disagree with, maybe I disagree with, but the Supreme Court did decide in at least two of those cases, nine to zip, in favor of Mr. Sutton's position. That is basically what it seems to come down to.
The fact is, Mr. Sutton, as an advocate, has an obligation to argue the best he can for his clients. He did that, winning 9 of the 12 cases that he had before the Supreme Court, and a number of them unanimously--that they have been complaining about. In the Garrett case, he got five Justices on the Supreme Court, a clear majority, to go along with his particular position.
I have read the letter from some of my colleagues on the Judiciary Committee that indicated he has never advocated for a civil rights position. That is pure bunk, and I have made that case here today.
What is behind this type of treatment of an excellent nominee such as Jeffrey Sutton? I can understand the distinguished Senator from Iowa who is a very strong advocate for persons with disabilities, as am I, who may not have read the full judicial record and who may not, as a nonlawyer, fully appreciate the role of an advocate. But it is very difficult for me to understand how members of the Judiciary Committee who are advocates themselves, who hold their attorney's licenses in good esteem, can make some of the arguments they have made, and especially in the letter they distributed to all Senators.
The record flies in the face of those allegations. The fact is, I believe Jeffrey Sutton will be one of the most sensitive people towards persons with disabilities because he comes from that mindset. His father ran a school for persons with disabilities, kids who suffered from cerebral palsy. He worked for his father. He has argued for persons with disabilities and he has argued in cases where the Court decided against the Americans with Disabilities Act. But the Court made that decision.
Is the Court outside the mainstream of American juris prudence? I am sure each of us in this body can find a case or two in which we disagree with the Supreme Court. I can find a lot of cases with which I disagree. But their pronouncements happen to be the law and that has been the law ever since Marbury v. Madison.
All I can say is that here is a person who is respected by his peers, who receives the highest rating from the American Bar Association--not a conservative organization, something that has been called the gold standard by my colleagues on the other side--who has eminent experience before the U.S. Supreme Court and other appellate bodies in this country, one of the premier appellate lawyers in the country, even though he is only 45 years of age, who has had extensive experience as an advocate for a wide variety of diverse people, who appeared before the committee and everybody on the committee, even those who are against him here today, admit he is a fine person with great ability.
But they try to smear the Federalist Society by saying these are Federalist Society nominees. That is a joke. The Federalist Society puts on the best seminars of any legal society in America today, and those seminars are always balanced with the left and the right. They give the left every chance to explain their position and give the right every chance to explain their position. That is precisely what a good legal society should do. They do not take advocacy positions but they do try to get people to think about the law.
I get a little tired of having the Federalist Society run down when some of the most eminent people in society are members of the Federalist Society, which is basically a debating society considering the various aspects of the law and making sure both sides are heard. That is pretty hard to beat.
I hope I am wrong, that the real reasons against Mr. Sutton is, No. 1, he is so good; No. 2, he has a chance of being on the Supreme Court someday and why not damage him now so he can't be there; No. 3, he might be pro-life, although I personally don't know what he is with regard to that issue. Those seem to be the major issues.
The fact is, he has the highest rating he can possibly have from the American Bar Association. He is an excellent lawyer. He is an excellent advocate. He is a person whom I believe will do justice on the courts. By all measurement by any fair person, any student of the law, you would have to conclude that this man not only is within the mainstream of American juris prudence, but he is one of the leaders in the mainstream of American juris prudence.
For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody would vote against Jeffrey Sutton. The mere fact that he may have represented some clients who they don't like, they on the other side, that is not a good enough argument. In fact, it is laughable. Good lawyers represent their clients.
In the Garrett case, contrary to what has been argued, he didn't ask for that case. He was called by the attorney general of the State involved and asked if he would be willing to represent them, if I recall correctly.
So the arguments that have been made--I haven't heard one meritorious argument on this whole debate. If you look at the record, there is every meritorious argument as to why those who really understand the law, those who really are fair about this process, would vote for Jeffrey Sutton.
Mr. President, if there is no one else who wants to speak, then I yield the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, I ask for the yeas and nays.