Mr. President, I wish to take a short time here to discuss a situation which I think is gaining some attention in the actual news media on a continuing basis. But with the Affordable Care Act and what we are doing or not doing here on the…
Mr. President, I wish to take a short time here to discuss a situation which I think is gaining some attention in the actual news media on a continuing basis.
But with the Affordable Care Act and what we are doing or not doing here on the floor of the Senate with regards to the 51-50 controversy, perhaps we overlooked the number one obligation we have as Members of this body, and that is our national security, the defense of our individual freedoms, and the part we play in determining the same kind of objectives--liberty and freedom--all throughout the world. I am talking about foreign policy, and I am talking about the very dangerous situation that we face with regard to Iran.
On November 24 the United States, Germany, France, China, Great Britain, and Russia signed an interim
agreement with Iran regarding its nuclear weapons program. The President and Secretary John Kerry, former colleague, have applauded this deal.
The President has claimed: We have opened a new path forward toward a world that is more secure. The Secretary of State, who came before us this week and gave Senators a briefing, argues: This is why we had sanctions in the first place.
With all due respect, I disagree. The world, it seems to me, is not a safer place, and in 6 months I do not believe we will be one step closer to dismantling Iran's ability to produce a nuclear weapon.
This administration is asking us to trust a regime which has been clear on its intentions, quite frankly, to wipe Israel off the face of the planet--their words--and, is the world's largest state-sponsor of terrorism, sponsor of the Assad regime, Hezbollah, and Hamas.
I don't think that represents a step toward security. I think that is misguided at best. This, to me, is not a good plan. I would even reverse that to say it is a bad plan.
At this moment, the administration is asking--rather pressuring-- Congress to back down from additional sanctions which many of us have supported and think would certainly a better thing to do at this particular time. At any rate, this is not a request that I can oblige. Sanctions are, indeed, the reason that Iran has decided to come to the table. But coming to the table and honestly negotiating are certainly two different things.
If the reports are true, the administration has been holding secret talks with Iran for months. I do not know what was discussed during those talks. I am not sure that anyone in the Senate really does know. What did the State Department, the Treasury Department, and the President offer to bring Iran to the public stage? It seems to me that should be transparent. So I think the Congress and the American people are left to wonder with regard to transparency what was arranged before this deal or this peace plan?
The bigger problem is that it has taken painstaking effort on the part of those like myself and others in this body who care about our Nation's security and the security of our allies to implement sanctions to the strength that we have today. It has taken a decade. It has taken six actions by the Security Council of the United Nations, 10 years of work, and a tremendous effort to finally get people on board. But now the President is asking us to back off after we have gained the support of the international community and just begun to make inroads.
The administration is offering to cut back now on these sanctions and to allow the Iranian government to continue enriching the uranium. Why? It is widely accepted that the Iranians have no real use for enriched uranium to use for nuclear power because Russia provides fuel supplies for its sole operational nuclear power plant. But they do have use for enriched uranium to contribute to the assembly of a nuclear weapon.
Why should we back off and only get promises? Why should we not keep applying pressure on Iran through sanctions until they give up their entire program? It seems to me that it would be in our best interests that Iran would commit to several things for this deal to be a true step for security. I am just going to mention a few. No. 1, let's just get to the heart of the matter: Public acceptance for the Jewish State of Israel and to allow for the peaceful coexistence of the Israeli people in the Middle East. Nobody in Iran has agreed to that. That is the main issue, the right of Israel to exist. That should be the foundation that we have to start all talks.
Then we should have reporting and inspection access to the Parchin facility, and full details of the undeclared nuclear activities.
Third, dismantling of Iran's plutonium-producing heavy water reactor at Arak. Fourth, the construction of new centrifuges has to stop. Last, an end to all enrichment. Unfortunately this agreement fails to include any of these points.
If the purpose of sanctions was to get Iran to the negotiating table, how did we walk away without getting what we need, a complete end to Iran's nuclear program? Difficult, but certainly the overarching and primary goal. For a decade, Iran has openly disregarded the tenets of the nuclear nonproliferation agreement, legally binding resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council, and mandatory inspections by the International Atomic Energy Association, the IAEA. All of this, completely disregarded by Iran's regime.
But the President believes we should trust them. Why? Because Hassan Rouhani has been elected President? On the international scene he certainly is a smiling presence. It is well accepted, however, that the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, does actually control everything in Iran, including its nuclear policy, meaning that Mr. Rouhani's election equates with no change in Iran, except in regards to its public face.
It seems to me this is why we cannot back off now. Many of my colleagues, in particular--Senator Kirk and Senator Graham--are working on a new phase of sanctions. They are tough sanctions and I am right there with them.
I do not have any faith with regard to where the Iranians claim they will be in six months. Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has called this a ``dangerous blunder.'' He has warned ``Israel has the right and the obligation to defend itself by itself against any threat.''
It concerns me that the administration has no Phase II plan in place for the end of this 6-month period. If in fact we ease the sanctions, which we are doing, and people take advantage of easing those sanctions and are doing business with Iran, to put those same sanctions back in place, or tougher sanctions back in place, is going to be very difficult. One of my colleagues described this as once the toothpaste is out of the tube you can't put it back. Ten years, six different attempts in the Security Council finally taking a stand--how do you put back the sanctions that we have had in place that brought Iran to the table if in fact at the end of this period no progress is being made? Not to mention the tougher sanctions that we have proposed.
It is a real concern. The administration's hope, of course, is that this leads to a stronger long-term agreement. I hope this works out but I am highly skeptical. When the interim agreement is up, I think Iran will remain capable of producing a nuclear weapon in a mere few weeks because we are not asking more of this regime. At that moment we must have very strong sanctions in place to make sure that Iran does not weaponize with regard to its nuclear capability.
I fully support a new round of sanctions, and I will continue to work with my colleagues to ensure that these are passed before the 6-month period is over. Unfortunately, if we do not take this kind of action, Iran is set to gain everything while the United States loses, not just the United States but Israel and Europe as well. Ending Iran's nuclear weapons program entirely is what I consider a path toward a world that would be more secure.
In today's issue of the Wall Street Journal, there is an editorial called ``Mood-Music Diplomacy On Iran.'' Basically, it simply states more sanctions would strengthen the United States leverage with Tehran. It closes by saying that Secretary Kerry ``now likes to quote Ronald Reagan's `trust but verify' mantra for dealing with Iran.'' But it goes on to say, ``But the Gipper's real legacy was to show resolve when it counted. The Obama administration and their opposition to new sanctions with a delayed trigger feeds suspicions,'' according to this editorial, ``that it is eager to accept just about any agreement with Iran.'' And it states, ``Members of Congress from both parties who want a good and credible deal can help by passing this sanctions bill.''
I think that is advice well taken.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Would the distinguished Senator yield?
There is a good reason for that. We both came to the House at the same time. We were sorry to lose the Senator to the Senate.
I truly appreciate what the Senator has said. It reflects conversations we both have had to try to educate, to get to know or understand a little better what our colleagues across the aisle are doing and why this is taking place and describe what our frustrations are. But the Senator has summarized them very well.
I urge my colleagues across the aisle to take the Senator's suggestions--and plea on behalf of us all--to heart and would encourage everybody who has nothing else to do around here to read the Congressional Record and the Senator's remarks and take them to heart.
I remember so well, when I came to the Senate in 1996--and the Senator was here--I had an amendment I wanted to offer. Being a Member of the House for 16 years, what we had to do in the House was to check with the chairman. We served in the minority and then the revolution came in 1994 and things changed. But then, we had to go to the Rules Committee, which the Senator has pointed out was a very unique experience. I remember then what I had to do to get anything done in the House is I basically had to find a Democratic colleague--a friend who was serving in the majority--to cosponsor the bill which I had, put his name first, and then go to the Rules Committee to make it in order so that my bill and his bill could work. My partner in this effort was Congressman Charlie Stenholm.
When I first went to the Rules Committee in the House, I had not been to the Rules Committee and I thought the debate would be about germaneness or whether this bill should be considered or was it timely, et cetera. I find out it was just a debate all over again on the merits of the bill. On a partisan, party-line vote, they would deny any Republican amendments.
So Stenholm was a partner in that effort with that bill. I can't even remember which one it was at this particular time, but it was my first big attempt and it was on the farm bill. We had mutual concerns and we thought it was a good amendment. It was the Roberts-Stenholm bill. It didn't take me very long to figure out that the Roberts-Stenholm bill was going nowhere. So Charlie leaned over and said: It might be a good idea if this was the Stenholm-Roberts bill or maybe just the Stenholm bill, and I said: I think you have got a pretty good idea.
So for a while it became the Stenholm bill, and it was made in order. Then, on the floor, Charlie Stenholm, being the kind Member he was, all of a sudden it became the Roberts-Stenholm bill again and it passed and, voila, my first amendment on the floor of the House.
So I had another amendment, this time in the Senate--and I know the Senator remembers well, because we were standing right about down here and I was asking him--I had checked with the ranking member and the chairman. At that time we were in control and we had the majority. I had a very simple amendment. I will not go into it, but it was referred to the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee. I was checking around with the ranking member and whomever, and they looked a little surprised that I was even checking with them.
The chairman of the committee, a Republican chairman, indicated: I would just as soon you wouldn't do that because we have a completed bill. We'll put it through the committee. I think your amendment has merit.
I knew I had bipartisan support for it and I knew it was a very easy amendment that would pass. But he told me: Just wait. We will take that up sometime down the road.
``Down the road'' in the Senate means way down the road. So I was sort of grumpy, and you asked me what was wrong. I said: The chairman doesn't like it. You said: Listen. This is the Senate. You can offer any amendment at any time whether it is germane or not. This is the Senate. You have rights.
I knew that. I had gone to the Robert C. Byrd lecture as a new Member. He lectured me on minority rights and how we should conduct ourselves. He was the institutional flame of the Senate.
Then Senator Coats urged me to offer the amendment. I should have done it, but I thought: All right. I will wait. I will defer to the chairman's advice. I have often regretted that. Later--I am talking about 2 or 3 years later--the same subject came up. I happened to be on the floor, and Senator Ted Kennedy was in charge. They had taken back control. He knew about the amendment. He said: Would you like to get your amendment passed? He was standing on the floor and there was hardly anybody else here and, bingo, using the parliamentary procedure that you could do in the majority, my amendment was passed. It was not the Kennedy-Roberts bill, by the way. It was still the Roberts bill that was authorized. We didn't get too much money for it, but at least we made the effort.
I have gone into a long personal history just to demonstrate exactly how this works.
Now we have a farm bill that has been hung up for over 2 years. We have a farm bill that the principals are meeting on in secret. There are 37 of us who are also on the conference wondering where on Earth is the farm bill. The House has just passed by unanimous consent an extension of the current farm bill as we did last year.
Last year, we passed a farm bill. Last year, the majority leader in a discussion with me said: If you can get it done in 3 days, I will let it happen. Note, ``I will let it happen.'' Chairperson Stabenow certainly was working extremely hard on her side, I was working on my side, we were going to the steering committee and said: I think we can get regular order. I think you can get your amendments up. Nobody believed me.
We had 73 amendments. We did it in 2\1/2\ days. Once that tipping point hits and people start withdrawing amendments, you get your work done. But the minority had every opportunity to offer amendments.
So one year ago, considering the farm bill, the first amendment was by Senator Rand Paul considering the Pakistani who helped us with regard to the Osama bin Laden raid. He was in prison, and so Senator Paul thought it would be a good idea to hold the aid to Pakistan until they released the prisoner.
What did that have to do with the farm bill? Nothing. It was the first amendment considered. It didn't pass, by the way. But many other amendments that came from folks who had never had the opportunity for an amendment to be brought up and discussed, well, those amendments were discussed in the farm bill. I would say that probably, of the 73 amendments that were considered, there were 300 offered. People would get up and they would have their say. They discussed the amendment. They knew probably it would not pass, and they would withdraw it. But they at least had an opportunity to present their opinion and represent their States and their constituents and we made sure they had that opportunity.
This year's farm bill wasn't 73 amendments. We only voted about 10 times. Senator Thune, a respected Member of the Agriculture Committee; Senator Johanns, former Secretary of Agriculture, Senator Grassley, and myself, we all together had a total of about 12 amendments. We withdrew those from consideration during the committee markup and said we will take them up on the floor--except, on the floor, the majority leader cut debate off, saying: Time out. No more. So none of us got those amendments.
As the former chairman of the Agriculture Committee in the House and the ranking member last year, I have to wonder, what is that all about? You have a farm bill, you have people on the Agriculture Committee, they have pertinent amendments with regard to the direction of the bill--and, bingo, you are cut short. That causes a lot of frustration, to say the least.
I have gotten into the weeds on this simply because of our friendship and the Senator's advice to me, which I treasure. But the Senator's willingness to come and speak from the heart to demonstrate to our colleagues on the other side of the aisle: Think about this. Think about why we are doing this. Why we are doing this is because if you break the rules--which they have--to change the rules, it can't be upheld. More especially on nominations, what is happening is we are packing the District Court in Washington, which is the appeals court-- probably more important than the Supreme Court in deciding on all the regulatory matters that come up; i.e., the President's Executive orders, the President's waivers, the President's interim final rules or any agencies interim final rules--we have government by regulation today. We do not have government by legislation today. We have government by regulation and this court becomes the Senate.
We had an even number of judges, and now we are going to have three more. Consequently, the President--who says he can't work with the Republicans but in fact it is he who will not work with Republicans--is going to have his way because this is going to be jammed down our throats.
When the Senator goes back to Indiana and when I go back to Kansas, one of the top issues we hear about from any economic sector of our economy is: What on Earth is going on with all these regulations? Somebody holds up a piece of paper and says: Pat, are you aware of this regulation? No, I am not, but I will check on it. What is our ability to deal with that? Almost nothing.
So we have government by overregulation.
That is what this is about. The agenda by the President to add more regulation to get his agenda done is being challenged and going through the courts as opposed to the Senate of the United States. That is why we are faced here with this situation. That is why I was here from 8 to 9 talking about Iran. The Senator is talking about the issue at hand, and I truly appreciate it.
I thank the Senator for coming to the floor. I thank the Senator for making these comments. I just wish people would understand why we are feeling this frustration and have a more accurate reflection of what is going on here. I know that is not reflected much in the media. I understand that, but that is simply the case.
When the President said if you like your doctor, you can keep him, period, that isn't really what he meant. Really he meant, if you like your plan, you can keep it--semicolon--if I like it. He really meant: If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor if it is possible and we think it is all right.
These were called lemon plans, shoddy plans, substandard plans, plans that were denigrated even though the families involved had a plan they liked. I am sure the same is true in Indiana as it is in Kansas. More people have lost their insurance after they have signed up.
We understand that we have a lot left to do with health care reform, and I would say that almost every Senator has a 5-point plan on what they would like to do, and it is certainly more market oriented.
I will tell you what also isn't working, as opposed to the rollout, is the advertising for this. Some of it is unbelievable. Thank goodness the media is now watching and paying attention to this issue. There is a rap group that is on television that said it is cool to sign up for ObamaCare. Why on Earth are the taxpayers paying for that when every day Secretary Sebelius is changing the game, along with the President?
The President changed this plan about 17 times. Maybe that is a low number now, but if that's what he wants he should come back to the Congress for that. I think a lot of these changes are unconstitutional. At least he should come back to the Congress, which gets me back to my friend's basic point.
What would have happened if we had gone ahead with regular order and sworn in Scott Brown as the new Senator from Massachusetts and then it would not have been on a one-vote margin with regard to ObamaCare, or the Affordable Care Act, or whatever it was called back then, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. The acronym for that, by the way, is PPACA, which I think pretty well sums it up.
At any rate, had that happened, they would have had to have some kind of bipartisan agreement, which is really what we are talking about when we talk about breaking the rules now. They didn't have to do that because they would not swear in Scott, and so there we were on Christmas Eve.
None of us knew what was in the bill because it was in Harry Reid's office. As a member of the HELP Committee, I was privileged to consider this bill. We worked hard. I had three amendments on rationing--I am still worried about rationing. There are four rationers that I will not get into now.
IPAB is the No. 1 issue I am worried about. They decide the reimbursements that your hospitals in Indiana will get, and that my hospitals will get, and that is why we are trying to do the SGR reform and the Doc Fix.
We were in the HELP Committee, and we had three amendments, and all three were defeated by a party-line vote. That mark--I don't know where that bill is now--I think it is collecting dust. Then my amendments were considered by the Finance Committee. Then I wanted to offer the amendments on the floor.
I did this because we are going to have a lot of problems with the rationing boards making decisions as opposed to individual patients and their doctors--if they can even have their doctor, period.
So we get back, again, to regular order. We get back to respecting the minority's rights. We get back to protecting minority rights. Had we had those amendments, I think this bill possibly could have been worked out. I now believe that this bill was proposed by those who really prefer national health insurance, and this was a stalking horse for national health insurance. I don't think anybody on that side of the aisle realized that this bill would be like Thelma and Louise going off into the canyon, but that is what happened. So now we have this mess on our hands and every day we learn about something new.
The Secretary came out with something yesterday with additional changes. It doesn't really mean anything because she is just simply urging the insurance companies to go back and talk to those folks the Senator from Indiana was talking about--about the plan they would like to have or the plan they would like to keep. She is just saying to the insurance companies: We urge you to do that.
What is that all about? The toothpaste is out of the tube. I don't know how on Earth you can get that done. There were other suggestions. I am getting off subject here because my friend started out talking about the rights of the minority, and the health reform bill didn't pass with any Republican votes and very little Republican input. I think, in part, that is why it has crashed and is burning right now.
If we had just had regular order input during that particular time, I think there would have been a better product. I probably still would have voted no because I don't want national health insurance. I feel a lot better that I expressed my rant to my friend from Indiana, and it has been a better morning as a result.
I think anybody listening to us could finally understand the depth of our frustration. We want to be a part of this Senate and we have a right to be a part of this Senate, but that right and privilege everybody had for 225 years has now been taken away.
It will be interesting when, in fact, the pendulum does swing back and Republicans are in control. What will we do? Will we go back to the 225-year precedent or will we say: Well, what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Will we seek a pound of flesh or two? I don't know what we will do. I hope that we will go back to the 225-year precedent. It would be the right thing to do, but it will be interesting to see.
I thank the Senator from Indiana for allowing me to share his time.
Madam President, if the Senator will yield, it isn't as if we haven't tried.
As the Senator knows, Senators are under that obligation--and their staffs. The committee staff is different, the leadership staff is different, and as the Senator pointed out, the executive is different. What is that all about? It should be uniform or not all, and it should be uniform for everybody who had a hand in this debacle.
I even thought about an amendment saying that those who didn't vote for it--I voted against ObamaCare three times: Once in the HELP Committee, once in the Finance Committee, and once it came out of Harry Reid's office. My colleagues said: Did you read the bill? Nobody read the bill because it had been changed, so then we had to wade through it, and then, as different events came about, one problem led to another problem, that problem led to two problems, and those problems led to other problems, so we are still finding out about that.
But back to the point of the Senator from Indiana, we can name Senators who said: Look, let's make this uniform. If it is good enough for Americans, it ought to be good enough for us. And that just has not happened.
Madam President, if the Senator will yield.
My wife is much more adept at the social media capability, and so it was up to her. I thought we were confirmed, only to find out almost before the deadline--it was midnight, and there was a desperate attempt on the part of my staff and myself. I needed help to get this done, so I had to redo it. Then the thought occurred to me, we are going to have two Pat Roberts in there: one that my wife did and then the new attempt. I hope that is not the case. I think maybe we have it cleared up, but I am not sure, so we will find out. I hope we don't have to work to find out, but we will find out.
I think that is just a duplication of what everybody in the country is going through. And then what do you do if, in fact, you can't have insurance and you find out about copays and deductibles and all of this. I am repeating a sad story that I think everybody knows.
I thank the Senator from Indiana once again for his heartfelt plea to make the other side understand the error of their ways. I hope we can fix this. I hope they can see fit to fix this down the road. I doubt that will be the case, and I don't think the country will be better off as a result.
I thank the Senator.
Right.
Will the Senator yield for one more observation.
I was watching the news last night, and many more millions of dollars are now being spent to hire more navigators, so the Senator's constituent should have had a navigator. In many cases they want navigators, and now they are being hired from various community organizations, some of which I really wonder about. But in some States where only hundreds have signed up, there will be more navigators than people who have signed up. So obviously it has gotten to the point where everybody has a problem, where insurance ought to have a navigator. This is at considerable expense--I don't remember now how many millions it totals--and a brand new group of navigators is being hired at considerable expense to make this work. And the advertising rolls on, and then the news media discovers more and more about all the problems.
I appreciate the Senator bringing this to the attention of the American people.
I note the distinguished Senator from Nebraska is here, and he even has a chart that will educate the American people.