Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003
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Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 165.
June 20, 2003
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Introduced in House
June 12, 2003
Referred to the House Committee on Ways and Means.
June 12, 2003
Rules Committee Resolution H. Res. 281 Reported to House. Rule provides for consideration of H.R. 8 with 1 hour of general debate. Previous question shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion to recommit with or without instructions. Measure will be considered read. A specified amendment is in order.
June 17, 2003 • 5:43 PM
Rule H. Res. 281 passed House.
June 18, 2003 • 12:07 PM
Considered under the provisions of rule H. Res. 281. (consideration: CR H5492-5514)
June 18, 2003 • 12:14 PM
Rule provides for consideration of H.R. 8 with 1 hour of general debate. Previous question shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion to recommit with or without instructions. Measure will be considered read. A specified amendment is in order.
June 18, 2003 • 12:14 PM
DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H.R. 8.
June 18, 2003 • 12:15 PM
DEBATE - Pursuant to the provisions of H. Res. 281, the House proceeded with one hour of debate on the amendment in the nature of a substitute offered by Mr. Pomeroy.
June 18, 2003 • 1:27 PM
Passed/agreed to in House: On passage Passed by recorded vote: 264 - 163 (Roll no. 288).(text: CR H5492)
June 18, 2003 • 3:30 PM
On passage Passed by recorded vote: 264 - 163 (Roll no. 288). (text: CR H5492)
June 18, 2003 • 3:30 PM
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
June 18, 2003 • 3:30 PM
Received in the Senate.
June 19, 2003
Read the first time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under Read the First Time.
June 19, 2003
Read the second time. Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 165.
June 20, 2003
Voting History
2 votes recorded • Roll call available
Floor Debate
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Floor Debate
22 membersWhat members said about H.R. 8 on the floor
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 281 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 281 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentlewoman, and my colleague and neighbor, from New York (Ms. Slaughter), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purposes of debate only.
(Mr. REYNOLDS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 281 is a modified closed rule providing for the consideration of H.R. 8, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003, legislation to make the repeal of the estate tax permanent. The rule makes in order 1 hour of debate, a minority substitute, and one motion to recommit, with or without instructions.
Mr. Speaker, the issue before us today is certainly not a new one. In the 106th session, Congress voted several times in a bipartisan fashion to eliminate the death tax. In the 107th session, Congress voted on three separate occasions to eliminate the death tax; but with the death tax relief set to expire in 2011, we might give Dr. Kevorkian a new career as a tax and estate planner.
Today, we have the opportunity to bury the death tax once and for all.
By way of history, this tax was initially imposed to prevent the very wealthy from passing on their wealth from one generation to the next. At the time, this well-intentioned tax eased concerns about the growing concentration of money and power among a small number of wealthy families. Later, it was used to fund national emergencies, and it became necessary to maintain these high tax rates in high wartime levels during the 1930s and the 1940s, but they remained relatively unchanged until the Tax Reform Act of 1976.
Ironically, the death tax served little of the purpose for which it was intended. Rather than prevent the concentrated accumulation of vast wealth, the death tax punished savings and thrift and hard work among American families. Small businesses and farmers have been unfairly penalized for their blood, sweat and tears, paying taxes on already- taxed assets.
Instead of investing money on productive measures such as creating new jobs or purchasing new equipment, businesses and farms are forced to divert their earnings to tax accountants and lawyers just to prepare their estates.
The victims of the death tax are typically hardworking Americans of medium-sized estates, farmers and small business owners. Their enterprises create jobs and growth and opportunities for our communities, but every year those families were literally forced to sell the family farm or business just to pay off their death taxes.
Equally disturbing is the fact that the death tax actually raises relatively little revenue for the Federal Government. Some studies have found that it may cost the government and taxpayers more in administrative and compliance fees than it actually raises in revenue.
Of course, farmers and ranchers are not the only ones facing an unfair and unnecessary burden in the death tax. One study conducted by the Public Policy Institute of New York State found that in a 5-year period family-owned and -operated businesses on an average spent $125,000 per company on tax planning alone. These costs are incurred prior to any actual payment of Federal estate taxes. They reported that an estimated 14 jobs per business were lost as a result of Federal estate tax planning. For just the 365 businesses surveyed, the total number of jobs already lost due to the Federal estate tax is 5,100. That was just in upstate New York.
My rural and suburban district in New York is laden with small businesses and farms that are owned by hardworking families who pay their taxes, create jobs, and contribute not only to the quality of life in their community but to the Nation's rich heritage. Is it so much to ask that they be able to pass on their industry and hard work, their small business or their farm to their children? Why should Uncle Sam become the Grim Reaper?
The fact is they paid their taxes in life on every acre sown, on every product sold, and on every dollar earned. They should not be taxed in death, too.
Mr. Speaker, death tax relief was a good idea in the 107th Congress, and it is a good idea now. We should not provide this kind of relief for only a few years. We should provide it permanently. This kind of permanent tax relief for farmers, ranchers, and small business owners that will keep the family business growing and growing is just the kind of relief that is beginning to get this economy moving.
Wall Street has shown modest gains not only since Congress passed its tax cut plan but even since we began working on the tax cut itself. As one media report said, ``Economic advisers credit the tax cuts and positive first quarter earnings for the gains.''
Tax cuts work. They work in helping hardworking families keep more of what they earn. They work in allowing people to have greater control over decisions to save and invest, and they work in creating jobs and creating greater economic opportunity for American families. We are on the right course. Let us keep moving forward.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to bury this unfair tax once and for all. Vote ``yes'' on the rule and the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, my friends from the left always bring up class warfare every time we have a tax cut discussion in this body. I just would point to two aspects of my colleague and friend's remarks.
First, Henry Aaron and Alicia Munnell, who are two prominent liberal economists, concluded in their study of the estate tax the following: In short, the estate and gift taxes of the United States have failed to achieve their intended purposes. They raise little revenue, they impose large excess burdens, and they are unfair.
Alan Binder, a former member of the Federal Reserve Board, appointed by former President Bill Clinton, found that only about 2 percent of inequity was attributable to the unequal distribution of inherited wealth.
Joseph Stiglitz, who served as Chairman of President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisers, found that the estate tax may ultimately increase income equality.
Those are the same type of things that Republicans or conservatives or economists who are right of center have said. So there seems to be concurrence on that.
I would also say that it is sometimes difficult being a member of the majority to resolve some of the issues of inside baseball upstairs in the Committee on Rules. Sometimes we are attacked because we have open rules, sometimes we are attacked because we have closed rules, modified rules, or whatever happens. In this instance, we just cannot seem to win.
The unfortunate aspect of this is that we have today for our colleagues to consider, in the rule that we now have before us, a substitute offered by the Democrats. If the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy) does not want this substitute, he should withdraw it. He introduced it, he asked the Committee on Rules to consider it, the Committee on Rules did just that.
We also have a recommit, as we have in each and every single rule that we put out on behalf of consideration of legislation since the majority took its control in 1995.
I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts, though it is unfortunate, as a member of the Committee on Rules, the gentleman cannot get time from his side.
Reclaiming my time, Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy) came before the Committee on Rules and he introduced his legislation. There is no time I am aware of, in talking to the staff, that the gentleman from North Dakota, from the time he brought the legislation for our consideration until today, that he has asked to withdraw the substitute.
So we are moving forward on the Pomeroy substitute. After that is considered, we will move forward with the motion to recommit and then we will, hopefully, go to final passage.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
As President Reagan would say, Mr. Speaker, there you go again. Class warfare. I do not know about my colleagues, but I go home every weekend, and I see farmers, and I see small businesses that have worked their hearts out. They have worked hard their whole life on their family farm or in their Main Street business. They are not rich, but they have an estate. They want to pass it to whoever they want. In most instances, that is their children. But to pay the estate tax, they have to sell the family farm. And that just is not right, because they paid taxes on every single portion of the products, goods, and services and then they have to do it again at death tax time.
They are not rich, although this would certainly help them, but as I cited in earlier debate, liberal economists and conservative economists all agree the tax does not really do the job. But think about this: The actuaries and life underwriters and everybody else are saying, if you want to die, you want to do it between now and 2010, because God forbid, if it is January 1, 2011. This thing does not work anymore.
It is a reasonable thing to tell America and to show America and perform for America with permanent death tax relief. This tax relief is reasonable. I understand my colleagues on the left do not believe in tax cuts. I accept that. But I also want to remind my colleagues and friends, as the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern) has indicated, in the Committee on Rules every single amendment had a rollcall vote yesterday. They were all heard, they were all debated, and they all had a vote.
We have, in this modified closed rule, included the Pomeroy substitute, and we have included a motion to recommit. We will then have final passage of whatever comes as the result of our colleagues in the conference on the other side.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, apparently as I cited in my remarks before, some of that has not been heard as we get some of the facts out. The left does not want to cut taxes. I accept that. I understand that. We are going to have a debate; and this House has repeatedly cut taxes, including the estate tax in the 106th Congress, the 107th Congress, and now in the 108th Congress. But Henry Aaron and Alicia Munnell, who are two prominent liberal economists, concluded in their study of the estate tax, the estate and gift taxes in the United States have failed to achieve their intended purposes. They raise little revenue, they impose large excess burdens, and they are unfair.
Alan Binder, a former member of the Federal Reserve Board appointed by President Clinton, found that 2 percent of the equity was attributable to the unequal distribution of inherited wealth.
And Joseph Stiglitz, who served as President Clinton's Council of Economic Advisors, found the estate tax may ultimately increase income inequality. The reason I have cited that a second time in this debate is we can keep coming forward and say how bad it is. The liberal economists, just as we have seen from right-of-center economists, have concurred that this is not a functional tax.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder), a member of the Committee on Rules.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope that the Senate will quickly respond to the legislation we passed last week, in a prompt response to the decision that they wanted to look at the child tax credit.
If the gentleman would continue to yield, I am a little confused. Last week the gentleman voted against the child tax credit.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I enjoyed that oratory. I would almost think that she voted for the child tax credit last week, but the sad fact is that she did not because she voted the other way. She voted no. We sent a bill over to the other body. I have listened to the presumptions of the other body, of what will happen over there. I have
talked to a few Senators. They give me the hope that they are so desirous of voting on this that they are looking forward to a conference and they are looking forward to getting it on the floor.
The fact is we are talking about permanent estate tax repeal now. That is what is coming on the floor as we pass this rule, if the body does pass it, and I believe that they will and I believe that we will get bipartisan, Democrat-Republican, support for a permanent estate tax, death tax, however, you want to look at the reality, repeal. As we are listening to the debate shift over to the child tax credit, it is fine to lecture what that is and how it all happened.
The fact is last week I voted for a child tax credit and other tax cuts and sent it to the other body. And the fact is the last two orators on the Democratic side did not vote for it.
So as we move forward today back on the death tax to make a permanent death tax repeal, Members get to vote up or down on the rule and then they get to vote on a substitute and then they get to vote on a recommit and then final passage. I look forward to today, because I believe that we will get bipartisan support to pass the permanent repeal of the death tax.
I yield to the gentlewoman from Connecticut.
I guess she did not have a question.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I probably need to put the gentleman from California (Mr. Thomas) and the gentlewoman from Washington (Ms. Dunn) on notice that when we move into the bill on the underlying legislation, we will be talking more on the child tax credit than the permanent death tax. I am just encouraged to see in the 107th Congress, three votes that occurred on the death tax. I saw from 41 to 58 Democratic votes along with Republicans and it reassures me that we are on the path of a bipartisan tax cut to end the death tax once and for all that is in this country.
We need to see a couple of things. Individuals and families and partnerships or family corporations own 99 percent of all U.S. farms and ranches. Think about that. Individuals, family partnerships or family corporations own 99 percent of all U.S. farms and ranches. I do not want us to ever forget that every acre, every piece of equipment, every business has already been taxed in life, so why should they be taxed in death.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Sullivan).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I welcome so many from the left to join me in cutting taxes. I look forward to that vote when it comes out of conference committee and maybe she can join us with that.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I have got to tell the Members, I have only been here since 1999, but it never ceases to amaze me to see something new. Yesterday my colleague from North Dakota was before the Committee on Rules advocating this substitute that is contained in this rule and another one, and he was granted one that he actually spoke for; and today he wants to bring down the rule.
I yield to the gentleman from North Dakota.
Mr. Speaker, did the gentleman come before the Committee on Rules and advocate the substitute which is contained in the rule today? I think he did, did he not? Did he come and advocate two different amendments before the Committee on Rules, this one being made that was made as substitute inside the rule? Did he or did he not come yesterday before the Committee on Rules and submit testimony before us asking for consideration of this substitute?
I am happy to bring the record down and bring it here.
The gentleman and I both know that he was before the committee and asked for this amendment to be considered by the Committee on Rules and now he wants to bring it down. Is that true or not, sir?
Is the gentleman saying he was not in the Committee on Rules or that he did not request this substitute in his presentation before the Committee on Rules when he spoke on two specific amendments, this being one?
I will yield to the gentleman from South Dakota.
Mr. Speaker, I reclaim my time.
Mr. Speaker, I must say that in the Committee on Rules, we try to work with our side of the aisle to advise a Member if they do not want their amendment made in order, they should not offer it in the Committee on Rules. Maybe that does not happen to Members on the other side of the aisle; but on our side, if someone comes up there and asks for consideration of an amendment, they ought to be prepared that it might be granted.
I just want to go back and make sure we do not miss anything on the death tax inhibiting economic growth because I have listened to my colleagues on both sides of the aisle talk about creating jobs. The threat of a resurrected death tax will force American families to make inefficient investment decisions and to waste resources in an effort to comply with the death tax. Studies show that repealing the death tax would create as many as 200,000 extra jobs each year across America. Jobs are lost when businesses are liquidated to pay death taxes and to make decisions not to expand because of anticipated death tax liabilities.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I guess I believe, looking up at the press gallery, that there is probably a view that it is a fair rule. It is a modified closed rule that provides a substitute, then a recommit; and then we move on to final passage. So there is not much controversy on the rule. And we are in a situation as we move forward on a debate that I believe once we get through the process, which is the rule vote, we are going to see in final passage, just looking at the 107th Congress, somewhere between 41 Democratic colleagues and 58 Democratic colleagues who voted for death tax in the past Congress that will join us today in a bipartisan message of passing this legislation out of the House and having it go to the other body.
Mr. Speaker, Benjamin Franklin once noted in this world nothing can be said to be certain except death and taxes. But while death may be certain, taxes are immortal. That is because our current tax system plays a cruel joke on farmers and small business owners. Simply put, the death tax stifles growth, discourages savings, stymies job creation, drains resources, and ruins family businesses. It is time we permanently repeal this unfair tax and allow the American Dream to be passed on to our children and future generations.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question on the resolution.
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 281, I call up the bill (H.R. 8) to make the repeal of the estate tax permanent, and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such…
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 281, I call up the bill (H.R. 8) to make the repeal of the estate tax permanent, and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I rise in support of H.R. 8, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003.
The bill before us has been cosponsored by over 200 Members of the House from both sides of the aisle. This approach is simple. It makes elimination of the death tax permanent. Although the bill is only one short sentence, it will have a powerful impact on the millions of people we represent.
Two years ago, Congress voted to phase out and repeal the death tax. Due to the Byrd rule, however, the tax will come back in full force January 1, 2011, imposing a maximum tax of 55 percent on estates. In the last Congress, a majority of the House voted on three occasions to remove this sunset in the law and make repeal permanent. We are here today to complete this unfinished business.
I have no doubt we will hear a great deal of rhetoric from those who want to keep the death tax alive. Repeal only helps the wealthy, they will say. It will reduce charitable giving; it will increase the deficit; it will jeopardize Social Security. Time and again these arguments have been raised. The simple truth is none of them holds water.
Does repeal of the death tax help only the wealthy? The Joint Economic Committee in 1998 underscored how repeal of the death tax will help minority-owned businesses. Both the National Black Chamber of Commerce and the United States Hispanic Chamber of Commerce support repeal of the death tax.
Robert Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, said in 2001 that ``elimination of the estate tax will help close the wealth gap in this Nation between African American families and white families.''
Supporters of the estate tax say that it does not really affect rural communities or farmers. Mr. Speaker, I represent rural communities and timber landowners. Earlier this year experts at the United States Forest Service published findings on just how devastating the tax affected rural communities.
Over a 10-year period, 36 percent of forest estates owed the Federal estate tax. In 40 percent of the cases where a Federal estate tax was due, timber or land had to bo sold to pay part or all of that tax. The amount of forest land harvested to pay the Federal estate tax was approximately 2.6 million acres every year. Forest land sold was nearly 1.3 million acres per year; and roughly 29 percent of the land sold was developed, or it was turned into subdivisions or converted to other uses.
Supporters of the tax say just lift the exemption amount, but that does not solve the problem. As inflation erodes the value of the exemption level, it will just mean more acres will be sold or harvested or developed. This is not the answer.
They say repeal of the estate tax will reduce charitable giving. In ``The CPA Journal'' of August 2001, Arthur Schmidt said, ``Philanthropy will likely increase as a result of the repeal of the estate tax, both at death because of the greater net resources available, or during the lifetime of the taxpayer as a result of the remaining tax efficiency of the charitable income tax deduction. In either case, the net present value of philanthropy will likely increase.''
Does the estate tax really promote charitable giving? IRS statistics show that in four out of five cases of taxable estates no bequest is made. No bequest is made in four out of five cases.
Would estate tax repeal jeopardize Social Security benefits? Federal receipts as a result of the death tax represent less than 1.5 of all total revenues. None of that money goes to Social Security for the trust funds, and eliminating the tax will in no way affect Social Security benefits, not one bit.
The death tax does not prevent accumulation of wealth. It does not promote charitable giving. It does not lead to increased economic growth. It is not a tax on sin. It is a tax on virtuous activities like savings and investment, activities we should be encouraging.
It increases the cost of capital for small businesses. It affects rural communities. It imposes financial burdens on minority businessmen and -women. In sum, the case for the death tax has been made, and it has been over and over again in this House thoroughly rejected.
Woodrow Wilson signed the death tax into law in 1916, and the time has come to get rid of it for once and for all. I urge my colleagues to join me in supporting H.R. 8 and opposing the substitute amendment and providing small businessmen and -women, family farmers and minorities with the capital they will need to expand, to create jobs and grow the economy.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to remind the gentleman from California, whose State is in very financial straits, that in the year 2002 his State and estates in that State sent to the Federal Government $4,201,408. Actually that is $4,201,408,000 to the Federal Government, which I am sure his State could have made use of.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam Johnson), a great member of the Committee on Ways and Means and very much in touch with his constituents on repealing the death tax.
(Mr. SAM JOHNSON of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I think the gentleman has created not just a near miss, but a big, big miss when we speaks about family farms. Families own 99 percent of the Nation's farms and ranches, and they are capital intensive businesses. Their assets are not liquid, and so for that reason they are very much at risk at having to pay very large estate taxes. Nearly 20 percent of farmers have paid Federal estate taxes in the previous 5 years. Seventy-seven percent of farmers report that they spent money each year on estate planning.
Not only are we hitting the family farms and the people who are employed by them, but we are also wasting dollars that go into this economy not for the purpose of stimulating this economy, but to pay for life insurance policies, estate planning, and everything else that is there when there is unpredictability and they need to provide for the future of their business and the business that employs so many people throughout the United States.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth), a very strong member of the Committee on Ways and Means who has been close to his folks at home on this issue and who has done a great job for us on codifying the issue in the State of Arizona.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Manzullo), the chairman of the Committee on Small Business.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I would just remind the gentleman from Wisconsin that we did vote three times on this legislation last year in different forms; and, in fact, the legislation passed each of the times by a bipartisan majority. It also passed in the other body by a bipartisan majority. But, unfortunately, because of their strange rule system, it required a 60-vote margin to pass in that body.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Putnam), a very prominent member of our sophomore class.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to remind the gentleman from California that his State, in the year 2002, sent $4,201,408,000 to the Federal Government. And you can about double that for the cost of complying with the death tax. That is what comes out of the economy. And so his figure of $80 billion, just take that and double it and that is what has been taken out of the economy.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. Osborne), a wonderful contributing sophomore Member.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Cox), the chairman of the Policy Committee, a cosponsor of this bill, and a longtime supporter and leader on this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I remind the gentlewoman from Washington State that his State in the year 2001 sent back $578 million to Washington, D.C., with about an equal amount for compliance with that law. Also as a representative of a forested district, 36 percent of forest estates owe the Federal estate tax, 29 percent of the land was sold or developed or converted to subdivisions, and 1.3 million acres per year of forestland in this Nation were sold. The amount harvested to pay the estate tax was about 2.6 million acres every single year. I respect his point of view on this particular bill, but I think that there are many people who will be affected if he does not vote for this bill.
I yield to the gentleman from Washington.
As the gentleman knows, retaking my time, I have already cosponsored that measure and supported it in the committee. We have worked very hard on that and will continue to do so. It affects a number of States. It is important to get rid of it.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Harris), a very active member of the freshman class.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Houghton), a great member of our committee.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Hensarling), freshman member of our class who has been one of the most active on the repeal of the death taxes.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Foley), who has been with us from the beginning, who is a strong advocate and a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I am strongly opposed to this amendment, and I want my colleagues to look at it very closely and be very clear about what this amendment would do. It establishes a permanent death tax. It is a huge tax increase on small business and family farms.
This amendment would increase taxes on farmers, on timber growers, on small businessmen and small business women, and it would not only take money from their pockets and send it to Washington, D.C.; it would practically force them to take more money from their pockets to pay lawyers, insurance salesmen, and estate planners. And why? So they will not have to send their money to Washington, D.C. to comply with this permanent death tax.
There are people who think this is a good thing. I do not understand it; I do not question their intent, I simply acknowledge that that is the case.
We have already debated the issue surrounding the death tax, but let us look closely at the impact of this amendment, because I think it puts on display the philosophy of those who want to keep the death tax.
Under current law, the tax rate for estates is due to fall in 2004, in 2005, 2006, and 2007. For 2 years, the rate would remain at 45 percent and then be totally repealed in 2010. This amendment eviscerates that tax relief.
Some estates may benefit under this amendment. If you are unlucky enough that your business is not doing well and you fall below the $3 million threshold that is in this amendment, you benefit. But what this amendment tells you is this: do not be successful. Do not save your money. Do not invest your money. Do not grow your business.
Instead, it encourages you to spend it now, sit back, consume that estate, because the government is going to take half of that estate anyway, and everybody knows how wisely the government spends our money. Because the more successful you are and the harder and the more you work, the more expensive it will be for you to hand that business on to your children.
Does the amendment promote charitable giving? No, it does not. Does it redistribute the money it raises to those who are less wealthy? No, it does not. Does it equalize income among different layers of society? No, it does not do that. Does it help pay Social Security benefits? No.
Opponents of death tax repeal make all of those charges, but when they bring forth their own proposal, we can see it for what it really is: a tax increase, pure and simple. A way to put money in the pockets of the Federal Government. And because the exemption level is not indexed, there will be free money to the Treasury. Inflation grows, but the exemption stays just the same. As the economy improves, as businesses grow, as people invest and work hard, they will be penalized, because someone in Washington, D.C. said you can only be so successful, an arbitrary limit, and then you pay.
That is what this amendment is about and that is why it ought to be voted down.
Mr. Speaker, we hear time and again the arguments of those who want to keep the death tax. We hear about equality, about Social Security, about charitable giving, about enormous concentrations of wealth. But when it comes right down to it, it is about money.
Mr. Speaker, this approach is the wrong approach. This policy has outlived its day. This philosophy is not what made our Nation great, and I urge a ``no'' vote on this substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Hulshof), a very valuable member of the Committee on Ways and Means, a gentleman who knows what he is talking about because he has been through it personally.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 12 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Burns) for the purposes of control, a gentleman who has been very involved in the development of our legislation and very much a supporter of it as he has come to Congress as a freshman Member. He will present differing points of views from people who come from all over the country who are members of the freshman class.
Mr. Speaker, the previous gentleman who spoke indicated that the estate tax is immoral. Do Members know what is more immoral? Giving this tax relief to the wealthiest individuals in this country and…
Mr. Speaker, the previous gentleman who spoke indicated that the estate tax is immoral. Do Members know what is more immoral? Giving this tax relief to the wealthiest individuals in this country and passing it on through national debt to our children and our grandchildren.
The action we take today, which will cost over $800 billion in the next 10 years after fully effective, will be put on the national debt of the country to be paid back by our kids and grandkids. Boy, are we generous. Mr. Speaker, the only good thing about today's bill to repeal the estate tax for the billionaires of this country is that it is dead in the Senate, so all of the talk and debate today and the vote we will have later is for naught because the Senate is going to kill it. That is the good news. But let us see what we have done in this House and Congress over the last couple of years.
Last week we provided a tax cut of some $82 billion. The country is broke. We have a $400 billion deficit this year. The kids are going to pay that because that is part of the debt now. A month before that we passed another tax bill. This one totaled $350 billion, of which the wealthiest Americans would get about $92,000. The average taxpayer in my district would get about $400. We had no money for that one either. The real problem with that bill is once we total it up, that costs $1 trillion but that is a secret, so do not say anything. Quiet.
Now 2001 we passed another tax bill. How much did that one cost? That one cost $1.3 trillion. Again, the surplus is gone. The country is broke. We have a deficit. What the heck are we doing around here? When is this idiocy going to stop?
Today the estate tax has an exemption of $2 million. It covers everyone in my district. Well, we are going to have an option later today which would raise that to $7 million and that would take care of 99 percent of all small businesses and farmers in this country. But that is not good enough. That is
not good enough for the Republicans because that is not who they are trying to help. The people they are trying to help are the Hallmark Card people and the Mars candy bar people, who over the last couple of years have spent millions of dollars hiring lobbyists in D.C. and giving campaign contributions, and today they want their due.
Mr. Speaker, I include for the Record a Washington Post article of this morning by Jonathan Weisman entitled, ``Estate Tax Compromise Sought.'' What we are doing today is sheer nonsense.
Let me say to my Republican colleagues, we have already voted on this proposition three times; and under the campaign finance law if we vote for an item three times and it does not pass, you are still entitled to the campaign contribution, okay. So Members are still going to get the money from Hallmark and the campaign contributions from the Mars candy bar people; but for God's sake, save the taxpayers of this country.
[From the Washington Post, June 18, 2003]
Estate Tax Compromise Sought
House Set to Pass Repeal, but Supporters Know Senate Votes Aren't There
(By Jonathan Weisman)
When a coalition of wealthy families, small-business groups
and farm interests won temporary repeal of the estate tax two
years ago, they immediately resumed their campaign for
permanent repeal. Now, even as the House is expected to vote
today for just that, some in the alliance have second
thoughts.
It's not that they have backed off their vehement
opposition to the tax on large inheritances. Rather, as the
Federal budget deficit grows and their patriarchs and
matriarchs age, they are losing faith that permanent repeal
will ever happen and are considering compromises that were
unthinkable two years ago.
The House is expected to vote today to permanently repeal
the estate tax after 2010, when it is set to expire after
being in effect for only one year. But no one expects the
Senate to pass the bill, leading some proponents to believe
that the vote and the distant temporary repeal date are more
political gamesmanship than a serious legislative attack on
the tax.
So some of the affluent families who have bankrolled the
repeal movement are exploring estate tax changes short of
repeal that could be implemented sooner.
``There is some real concern that 2010 is not soon
enough,'' said a lobbyist working on the issue, referring to
the deficit and the uncomfortable fact that some affluent
benefactors may not live until 2010. Grover Connell of
privately held Connell Co., for example, is 85. The
matriarchs and patriarch of the Hallmark greeting-card
fortune are in their seventies.
For more than a decade, the coalition has rejected
overtures for compromise and declared it will accept nothing
short of ``death tax'' repeal.
The simplicity of their demand, the strength of the small-
business coalition and the money of the families financing
the effort combined to turn an obscure tax affecting very few
Americans into a powerful rallying point, especially for
Republicans.
The movement culminated in 2001 with the 10-year, $1.35
trillion tax cut, which repeals the estate tax in 2010. But
the tax is to return in 2011 when the entire tax cut expires.
For the past two years, the repeal coalition has tried, and
failed, to gather the 60 Senate votes needed to make the
repeal permanent. One lobbyist working on the estate tax said
the appeal of the issue may have ``plateaued.''
And just as the surging Federal budget deficit is beginning
to shake up the Bush administration's plans for more tax
cuts, it is starting to change the politics of estate tax
repeal. Repeal supporters worry that the growing deficit will
make it more difficult to eliminate the tax, particularly by
2010, when the vanguard of the baby boom will retire.
The Treasury Department said repeal of the estate tax in
2011 through 2013 would cost the government $115 billion in
revenue. In 2014 through 2023, repeal would cost about $820
billion, according to the Center on Budget and Policy
Priorities.
``The principal issue is the growing federal budget
deficit,'' said William Gates Sr., father of the Microsoft
Corp. founder, who opposes repeal of the estate tax. ``You
can't run a $400 billion deficit year after year and go
around repealing taxes at the same time.''
Even if Bush is reelected in 2004, a new president, who
could be far less friendly to repeal, will be elected in
2008. And the broad appeal of the anti-estate-tax movement
that caught fire in the 1990s may be dissipating simply
because people are not feeling so rich anymore, one lobbyist
said.
Even at the height of the stock market boom, the estate tax
affected very few families because estates worth up to a
certain amount are exempt. That amount is currently $1
million for a single person or as much as $2 million for a
couple. In 2000, the most recent year for which statistics
are available, more than 2.4 million adults died in the
United States, but only about 52,000 left taxable estates.
The strength of the repeal movement always came from
people's fear that their estates would be hit with a huge tax
bill. If that fear dissipates in a sluggish economy, so will
the movement, lobbyists said.
``I think some of [coalition members] are coming around to
`Let's get a common-sense solution that can work now instead
of just talking about this for eons,' '' said Sen. Blanche
Lincoln (D-Ark.), a past repeal supporter who is floating a
less expensive alternative.
With all those factors in mind, some of the biggest names
in the estate tax coalition are looking to compromise. The
candy-making Mars family of McLean gave more than $1 million
to lobbying powerhouse Patton Boggs LLP last year, in part to
explore ``estate and gift tax reform,'' according to lobbying
disclosure forms.
Koch Industries Inc., a family-run energy, ranching and
finance conglomerate, paid Hogan & Hartson LLP $40,000 last
year, while spending $500.000 on in-house lobbying on the
estate tax. The Connell Co. hired Washington Council Ernst &
Young for $120,000 to lobby for ``estate and income tax
relief,'' while Hallmark Cards Inc. spent $60,000 to hire
Capitol Tax Partners LLP.
Stephen Moore, a conservative tax-cutting activist with the
Club for Growth, and Mark A. Bloomfield, president of the
business-backed American Council for Capital Formation,
proposed taxing estates at the current capital gains rate of
15 percent. Taxable estates are subject to a 49 percent tax.
``There are Republicans who want this debate to last
forever, keep the [campaign] money flowing in, keep the
Democrats off guard,'' Moore said. ``Mark Bloomfield and I
have been on crusade to get this done, to break the logjam.''
If that proposal cannot be passed, another lobbyist
suggested taxing inheritances at income tax rates, which are
at most 35 percent. A stream of lobbyists has passed through
Lincoln's office to discuss her proposal to immediately
repeal the estate tax for family-owned businesses and farms.
The public faces of the repeal movement remain resolute.
``We are 100 percent united behind permanent repeal in
2010,'' said Patricia Soldano, a Southern California
financial planner who, in 1992, helped launch the repeal
movement with funding from the Mars family and the Gallo wine
heirs, among others.
Dena Battle, the National Federation of Independent
Business's lobbyist on the issue, conceded that the budget
deficit ``certainly changes the dynamics of the debate.''
``But,'' she said, ``you're talking about something that
takes place 10 years from now. There's no way we can know
what the economy is going to look like then. That's not an
excuse to vote against this.''
There is little doubt that the House will vote today to
repeal the tax, but lobbyists said they will look closely at
the tally. If past repeal supporters--especially Democrats--
vote against it this time, the fledgling movement toward
compromise will pick up steam quickly, a lobbyist for one of
the rich families predicted.
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. (Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.) Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague and neighbor from New York…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague and neighbor from New York for yielding me the customary 30 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, at the outset let me say that those of us who oppose this bill love the family farms and small businesses no less than anyone else in the Congress. The fact of the matter is that this tax is paid now by such a small percentage of people, less than 2 percent in the United States, that we believe almost every family farm and every small business is covered already by not having to pay estate tax, and indeed, the 2 percent who pay it, including the Warren Buffetts and the Bill Gateses and his father, all claim that this is a very bad direction for us to go in. They do not want to build large kingdoms of their own wealth. They are asking that we keep this because it has always been the American policy for taxation that it is based upon the ability to pay.
We would be wise, I think, to remember our American history. Republican President Teddy Roosevelt, a hero of mine, who led the charge to create an inheritance tax, believed that the wealthy had a special obligation to the government. He said: ``The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the State because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government.''
It would also be wise to remember the virtues of responsibility and accountability, especially now that the deficit has gone from the $5.6 trillion surplus to a $400 billion deficit in a little more than 2 years. The underlying legislation before us today would drain $80 billion more a year from the already empty Federal Treasury. In other words, the money would have to be borrowed.
Now, what does this say to the American people when we prioritize the checkbooks of the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans before paying for the health care for our veterans and fully funding education? I know that the President pledged to repeal estate tax during his campaign, and I am sure that he knows some people in the top 2 percent who will benefit from the complete and permanent elimination of the inheritance tax.
In fact, he probably mingled with a few of them just last night during the event that kicked off the largest political fund-raising drive in our history. But I meet those whose Social Security benefits are threatened by the drain on the resources of the government, some of the 9 million unemployed and 12 million children that are still without the help of the child tax credit. Teddy Roosevelt admonished, and this is so important because it is so wise, ``The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little.''
I hope that in the short time allocated for discussion of this legislation that we do not frighten the family farmers and small business owners. As I said, all of them, unless they are among the wealthiest 2 percent in the United States, are covered already by not paying this tax. They have worked hard to keep their farms from falling into bankruptcy, and far too many family farms are going under already. They fight hard to keep their small businesses going, and we support them in every way that we can, especially during this continued economic decline. They are not subject to the estate tax as it currently exists. I cannot stress that enough.
Indeed, one of my colleagues on the Committee on Rules last night talked about an event in his home State where the convention hall was full and the President said he wanted to make permanent the repeal of the estate tax
and got a humongous response to that. My colleague on the Committee on Rules said that he was sure that not more than 40 people in that room, if that many, would have benefitted from that repeal.
Special estate tax rules for family farms value their farm land at less than other land, at between 45 percent and 75 percent of its fair market value, and already allows farm couples to exempt up to $2.6 million from taxes. Family businesses pay less than 1 percent of all estate taxes. Family business couples can also exempt up to $2.6 million from taxes. The Pomeroy substitute provides even more protections for them. It excludes from the inheritance tax any estate owned by a couple worth $6 million.
Almost a decade ago, the gentleman from California, the distinguished Chair of the Committee on Rules, said on the floor that ``all,'' and in parentheses the minority members at that time, ``are asking for fair treatment on both sides of the aisle here.'' And I agree with my colleague, I want fairness on both sides of the aisle. I would also like fairness and a little old-fashioned common sense.
Under H. Res. 281, only one amendment has been made in order, a substitute amendment offered by my friend from, the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy). However, instead of choosing his substitute amendment that paid for itself, in other words, took money from probably from the tax cut from the very wealthy and paid for what he is recommending here, where we would have no further drain on the Treasury because it would not have added a single penny to the Federal deficit, but instead of making that amendment in order, the Committee on Rules made a second amendment in order which only partially offsets the cost of the elimination of taxes on estates larger than $3 million.
Even though H.R. 8 falls short, and fails to offset any of the $80 billion annual losses it creates and adds to our increasing deficit, it is very important to note, Mr. Speaker, that one of the differences between H.R. 8 and the Pomeroy substitute amendment is .35 percent. That's all. H.R. 8 would permanently remove the estate tax on any estate, even those as large as $3 billion or $4 billion or $5 billion or larger, and cost the Federal Government more than $800 billion over 10 years. The Pomeroy amendment would exempt every estate in America, except for the wealthiest of the wealthy. Only one-third of 1 percent of estates would be so large that they surpassed the generous exclusion in the Pomeroy substitute.
This bill does a great deal for a very few. It really does, again, add to the deficit. And the most important thing about it are that the people who benefit from it the most are the people who most loudly say not to do this; that we do not need it. We would much prefer a stronger economy in America.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern) to ask a question.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. McGovern).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 seconds. Saying that it will preserve family farms from taxation does not make it true. They are preserved already from taxation.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Mr. Speaker, I want to remind my colleague from New York that the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Stenholm) would really hate to be put in that category of a lefty.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I will be calling for a ``no'' vote on the previous question. And if it is defeated, I will offer an amendment to the rule. The amendment will make in order the portion of the gentleman from North Dakota's (Mr. Pomeroy) request that made his amendment budget neutral and was paid for. The amendment was offered, but was rejected on a party-line vote. At least that part was taken out.
The Pomeroy substitute will provide substantial tax relief from estate taxes. In fact, it grants more generous relief to most estates than the Republican bill and grants it immediately. The Pomeroy substitute completely exempts all but the largest estates from taxation and significantly simplifies tax planning for estates of all sizes. It also exempts virtually all family farms and small businesses from estate taxes. Furthermore, the Pomeroy substitute will not add one single penny to the deficit. Unlike the Republican bill, it will be completely paid for.
Republicans in the House have continued for weeks to block any and every bill that provides tax relief to the people who need it most in this Nation. Even on the issue of estate tax, they favor the rich over the middle- and lower-income working Americans. They continue to take care of their wealthy friends again today with yet another deficit- busting bill. Let us take this opportunity to make in order a substitute that will immediately eliminate estate taxes for all estates of less than $6 million. That is 99.65 percent of all estates, 99.65; and it will also do that without costing any additional dollars to the deficit.
Let me make very clear that a ``no'' vote on the previous question will not stop consideration of the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003, but a ``no'' vote will allow the House to vote on the Pomeroy substitute which is fully paid for. However, a ``yes'' vote on the previous question will prevent us from voting on a fiscally responsible and revenue-neutral tax bill. I urge a ``no'' vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the text of the amendment be printed in the Record immediately before the vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes. I rise today to oppose this repeal of the estate tax. In the very same week that the Republicans are willing, as they did last night, to shortchange seniors on…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes.
I rise today to oppose this repeal of the estate tax. In the very same week that the Republicans are willing, as they did last night, to shortchange seniors on a Medicare prescription drug benefit, they are willing to go out and spend $60 billion a year on a tax cut for the richest 1 percent. Kind of a new form of shock and awe, along with the same kind of truth that they use in weapons of mass destruction.
This bill before us cost $163 billion. It occurs only in the last 3 years of the 10-year budget window, and it is on top of the $1.3 trillion tax cuts signed into law in 2001 and the recent $350 billion, or trillion bucks when we strip away all the accounting gimmicks.
The gentlewoman from Washington misspoke. Only 642 or 1.4 percent of taxable estates had farm assets making up half or more of the gross estate in the last reported statistics; 776 or 1.6 percent of taxable estates had business or partnership assets comprising half or more of their gross estate. One percent of small businesses and farms, one percent, of those estates would have been forced to liquidate any assets at all to pay the current level of estate tax.
So here they are responding, as the Republicans will, to the Mars family who spent $1 million lobbying already to get this through and the Connell Company and the Koch Industries, Incorporated, Hallmark Cards. So they have got a few very, very rich people who would like to get away without paying their fair share of what it keeps to make America great.
I suspect that what is really troubling the Republicans is they are worried about the efficacy and ability of their children to succeed. That is understandable. If one is raised and coddled by rich parents and never have to work, they probably need some protection. Most of the money that they are sucking out of our Federal revenues is money that we are taking out of programs like Head Start, Leave No Child Behind, Medicare, health insurance for children, things that will make healthy and strong families.
Warren Buffett who earned some money on his own, something that my Republicans do not seem to understand, most of the people opposing this bill worked at the public trough all their lives, never had a job in free enterprise or else they inherited their money. So if they listen to somebody like Warren Buffett who said we come closer to a true meritocracy than anywhere else around the world, we have mobility so people with talents can be put to the best use. Without the estate tax, we in effect will have an aristocracy of wealth which means we pass down the ability to command the resources of the Nation based on heredity rather than merit. I suppose that is something the Republicans need to keep themselves in office.
He likened the tax repeal to choosing the 2020 Olympic team by picking the eldest son of gold medal winners in the 2000 Olympics. We would regard that as absolute folly in athletic competition. Yet my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, having been seduced by, I guess, they had 1,200 folks last night raise 3 or $4 million for the President, but they are worried about every one of them, but not about the 40 million seniors who they denied decent Medicare prescription drug benefits last night because they felt they did not have the money.
The reason they do not have the money is they are giving it away to less than 10,000 people a year. So as they help 10,000 people, who I might add, make that the kids who are going to inherit this, that is, 40,000 a year, so they are going to give away $60 billion to 40,000 rich kids every year, and they are going to deny 40 million senior citizens the health care they deserve in their old age; and some of my colleagues may snicker about that, but those are mostly you do not have anything left to leave and so I say that it is the same old same old: Republicans pandering to the rich to entrench themselves here and people whose children cannot make it on their own trying to figure out how to support them in an era where they should be learning to make it on their own if they had the right kind of education, which again the Republicans are denying us.
So it is very clear, it is the same old message over and over. Billions of dollars to a few very rich people, turn your back on those who need the help they should be getting from society.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I am happy to yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin), a senior member of the Committee on Ways and Means, who, with his brother, understands that hard work and education can lead to a successful career without inheriting a lot of money.
(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I would inquire of the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Manzullo) if he would be willing to engage with me for a moment. The two constituents mentioned, would they not have been covered under the Pomeroy amendment?
I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
The estate on which they paid $185,000 in tax, how much was the farm worth?
Reclaiming my time, so it would be covered by the Pomeroy amendment. I just suggest that many of these horror stories of people who are quite fortunate would be covered under the Pomeroy amendment.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Kleczka).
(Mr. KLECZKA asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks, and include extraneous material.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Becerra).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Pascrell).
Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Baird).
Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), the distinguished minority whip.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time until just before the gentlewoman closes.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
There are two issues with this bill. One is fairness. And the other is lost opportunity. Let me give the Members a hypothetical. Let us take a young man, young woman, who started out after school and never worked anyplace but for the Government, and suddenly early in their youth in their career as a Government worker, they are going to inherit $40 million. They never had a job outside of public service in their lives. And they might pay $20 million in tax, be left with $20 million, to which they contributed nothing but it is nice to get.
The question of fairness is why should my children, who went to school and worked hard to become lawyers and teachers and contribute to society, why should they have to pay the $20 million for this kid who is going to inherit the $40 million? That is not fair. They are not asking for a handout. They are probably grumping at their father for fighting against this bill, but they are content. They have got a leg up. They got to go to school, and now they are making their own way. And if, when I pass away, they have to pay some tax, they are going to be proud to do it, and they are proud of me for suggesting that they pay their fair share instead of asking me to give them a free ride. That is the fairness issue.
The lost opportunity is this: For those of us who are wealthy enough to pay the tax, my good friend from New York I think senses this. This bill is going to cost 60 billion bucks a year. We just got a release from the Institute of Medicine that shows that with the 41 million uninsured in this country, for about $69 billion a year we could provide them with health services. Do my colleagues know what? That would save us another $130 billion a year that we are paying in lost costs by having them go to hospitals without insurance. What is more important? To give a few thousand rich kids an exemption from paying their fair share and denying 40 million people health care in this country? That is the issue. Yes, it is divisive. Yes, we are talking about separating the rich and the poor. But I think those of us who are fortunate enough to be successful in this country ought to give something back and ought to help those who are less fortunate, and I just think it is crummy, it is anti-Christian, it is cheap, it is obscene to sit and say we have got ours, we are going to give tax breaks to our wealthiest contributors and to hell with the people who do not have health insurance. That is what the Republicans are saying with this bill, and I urge them late in life to come to do what is fair, to help 40 million Americans get health insurance rather than 4,000 get a tax break that will do none of us any good.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
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Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. I just want to assure the gentleman that on our side of the aisle, we will not complain if we get open rules,…
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding. I just want to assure the gentleman that on our side of the aisle, we will not complain if we get open rules, and we certainly would not be complaining as much if the majority allowed the substitute that the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy) wanted to offer, with the offsets, so this Estate Tax Bill would be paid for.
Mr. Speaker, a few weeks ago, President Bush signed a huge tax cut into law giving billions and billions of dollars in tax cuts to the very, very wealthy. Of course, in the dead of night, the Republicans stripped out the child tax credit to help low- and middle- income American families. But those families do not go to the fund- raisers at the Hilton, so the leadership does not care about them.
The other body acted quickly and responsibly to fix the child tax problem. The leadership of this House, however, dragged their feet and then acted irresponsibly. Finally, last week, after a drumbeat of public pressure, we saw a child tax credit bill, sort of. What we actually saw was a sham, a distraction, a way to kill the issue with one hand while sending out a press release with the other.
Since the House bill is vastly different and vastly more expensive than the Senate bill, the differences have to be worked out in a conference committee. Conferees have been appointed, but has the conference committee met? No.
Now, it is clear that the leadership of the Committee on Ways and Means is not too busy, since they had time to bring up this week's installment of Tax Cut Bonanza, a bill to eliminate the sunset on the estate tax. Mr. Speaker, the current sunset does not even expire until the year 2010, 7 years from now. Now, the Senate-passed child tax credit can help working families today, but, clearly, the Republicans would rather help the very wealthy 7 years early.
This bill would burden our children and our grandchildren with $150 billion in debt over the next 10 years and hundreds of billions of dollars more after that. So why are we considering this bill today? The answer is simple: Last night, at the Washington Hilton, all the fat cats had a fund-raiser for the President's reelection campaign. For $2,000, the people who will benefit from this Estate Tax Bill got a hamburger and a handshake from the Republican Party.
Now, last night in the Committee on Rules, the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy) offered a substitute that would permanently exclude estates worth up to $3 million per
person or $6 million for a married couple, and would exempt 99.65 percent of estates from estate tax liability. He offered a substitute that would have been paid for. But last night, keeping with tradition, the Committee on Rules basically disallowed his right to offer that substitute. And, also keeping with tradition of shutting out the voices of average working families in this House, they did not allow him to offer his substitute that had the offsets.
So I guess the problem with the approach of the gentleman from North Dakota is that the people who were raising all the money last night are worth more than $6 million. They want more. And they are the people that this leadership in the House cares most about. For those people, it is Christmas in June. But the soldier serving our country over in Iraq, who makes $16,000 a year, gets nothing, because he cannot afford to pay $2,000 for a hamburger at the Hilton.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to defeat the previous question vote for the responsible Pomeroy substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I have a question for either of my colleagues on the Committee on Rules. The gentleman's party controls the House and the Senate and the White House. My question is when are we going to have a child tax credit? When are we going to provide relief to that soldier in Iraq who is earning $16,000 a year? We are talking about helping millionaires today, and my question is since the other side of the aisle controls everything, when are they going to bring this child tax credit to the floor?
I yield to the gentleman from New York.
Mr. Speaker, some of the gentleman's colleagues in the other body have said quite clearly that they are not going to deal with the bill sent over there because it was not paid for. I guess since we have Republicans that control the House and the Senate, I would like to think that they would get along with each other and resolve some of these issues; and the issue of the child tax credit is something that would help low-income and moderate-income families right now. They need help now, and it seems to me while we are talking about this estate tax relief bill today, which takes place 7 years from now, why can we not help the people hurting right now.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, no, I voted against the child tax credit that was not paid for.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman from New York for yielding the time, and I certainly want to associate myself with her remarks and the remarks of the gentlewoman from Connecticut. I think it is important to kind of set the facts straight here because the gentleman from New York, for whom I have a great deal of respect, I think has said some things that I believe are a little bit misleading. One is those of us on our side of the aisle here, we voted for the child tax credit six times. They voted against it six times. We voted for it six times. The difference with what we voted for and what they ended up voting for is we ended up voting for a child tax credit that was fully paid for, with offsets, because we are a little concerned quite frankly with the way Republicans are on this tax cut/spending spree right now because it is adding to our deficit and adding to our debt. This year as a result of their policies, CBO tells us that the deficit this year is $400 billion, the biggest single year deficit ever recorded in our history. That is what we are worried about over here. So we feel very strongly that as we support these tax cut measures to help working families, that they be paid for, that the offsets be specified.
The other body came forward with a bill to help deal with the child tax credit that was going to cost $10 billion, which was fully paid for, with offsets. The majority in the House could not get together with their counterparts in the other body, even though they are of the same party, but the leadership in this House, I think, is so out of touch and so radical when it comes to how they spend the taxpayers' money in this country that they could not even come up with a bill that even approached anything near what the other body did.
But what the House leadership did is they came up with a bill that would cost $82 billion, that was not paid for. In other words, it was all borrowed money, money being borrowed from our children and our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren. They all talk about cutting taxes, but they, in essence, are raising taxes on our kids, something called a debt tax. We are paying an ever increasing amount on the interest on the debt that is being accumulated in this country, in large part because of their fiscally irresponsible policies.
So do not tell us that we voted against a child tax credit. We voted for it six times. We voted for one that would provide immediate relief to these families that we have been talking about for these last several weeks, including our military families, men and women serving in Iraq right now making a base pay of $16,000 a year. They deserve help right now. They work hard, they are defending our country, they deserve this child tax credit. We tried to bring to this floor just like the majority did in the other body brought to the Senate floor a responsible child tax credit bill that was fully paid for. They said no.
We voted for one that was paid for six times and then they came up with a sham, a public relations ploy, knowing that it will get lost in conference committee or that there would never be a conference committee and these low- and medium-income families would get nothing. And here we are today debating an estate tax relief bill that takes effect 7 years from now. We are talking about lifting the sunset 7 years from now. There are more important and pressing problems for a lot of working families, people who will never get to the point where they are going to have to deal with whether or not they are going to pay estate tax or not.
I would just respectfully suggest to the gentleman that his facts are a little bit wrong with regard to what we on this side of the aisle have tried to do and have been championing.
Mr. Speaker, this is not about family farms. In 2001, only 2 percent of the 2.3 million deaths involved any estate or gift tax liability at all. Of those deaths, about one-tenth of 1 percent incurred…
Mr. Speaker, this is not about family farms. In 2001, only 2 percent of the 2.3 million deaths involved any estate or gift tax liability at all. Of those deaths, about one-tenth of 1 percent incurred any liability at all involving family farm assets. How many is that? What does it translate into? Just 46 family farms incurred any estate tax liability at all.
This bill helps 46 family farms, yet will cost $160 billion. So let us not be fooled. This bill is only about protecting those wealthy few, and the cost of this legislation comes directly out of vital services, job training, education, health care for working families. Even in the most robust economy, eliminating the estate tax would be totally irresponsible, a giveaway to the richest Americans; but at a time when we are experiencing $400 billion in record deficits, 9 million Americans are unemployed, eliminating the estate tax is not only irresponsible, it is immoral.
This bill is an insult to the 6.5 million families left out of the child tax legislation, 200,000 military families, less than a week after the majority cynically maneuvered to kill legislation passed overwhelmingly by the ordinary body which would have corrected this injustice; and the House majority brings up yet another bill to cut taxes for only the wealthiest Americans.
And if Members think it is only the Democrats that are saying that the Republicans are cynical in what they did last week, let me quote a senior Senate Republican aide. He said that he expected the tax credits for those working families would die in a dead-locked conference, and he said further that it appeared that was the intention of the House Republicans. And today the Republican whip has said our leadership is committed to the bill we sent to the conference. The majority of our Members are not going to accept anything else. They wanted to destroy the opportunity for working people to be able to get a child tax credit. That is what they did last week.
At a time when there are hard-working, tax-paying minimum-wage- earning families, families of 12 million children, they have not yet received a penny of tax relief. The House's consideration of this bill is irresponsible.
This is a debate about priorities. It is about values. I call on my colleagues to turn aside this misguided, reckless bill. I call on President Bush to use his moral leadership, help deliver the child tax credit to those 6.5 million families, those 12 million children. The President should urge his Republican leadership to pass a responsible child credit bill that reflects the principles of this great Nation. Give those 6.5 million low-income families the tax relief they need. They pay taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, payroll taxes, 8 percent of their income. Give them the tax relief that they need. That is what we should be debating today. Those families have earned it.
Mr. Speaker, I think it is important to note that we are dealing with an issue today that, as has been pointed out, that is really not in the realm of debate or action for the next 7 years when in fact what I think bears importance is to recount what has happened here in the last several weeks about a tax credit for working families, people who pay payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes and excise taxes, people who make between $10,500 and $26,625, again working people, who were told that they were part of a tax package, a $350 billion tax package.
Oddly enough, their portion of the $350 billion tax package, $3.5 billion, was stolen out of the bill that the President signed 10 days ago, 2 weeks ago in the dead of night, and the promise that was made to these individuals was just pulled back in order that we meet the demand of those people, 184,000 millionaires in this country, who are going to get $93,000 a year in a tax cut; but we could not scale back 1 percent of that $350 billion to adjust for these working families.
So the Senate in a bipartisan way, the other body in a bipartisan way, because they said that this was just plain wrong, came to the conclusion on a vote of 94 to 2 that we could address this wrongdoing and put $3.5 billion into a bill and address this injustice. And they paid for it.
The President, I might add, or his spokesperson, said we ought to do what the Senate, the other body, did. It came to the House of Representatives where the majority leader of the House said we have more important things to do. What is more important? What is more important to do, give $93,000 in a tax cut to the wealthiest people in this country? Or allow corporations to go overseas and not pay taxes at all? Is that more important than the hardworking American families who pay taxes, 8 percent of their income in taxes, and they should be shortchanged on a $400 tax credit for their children?
There is a basic and fundamental values issue here about who we care about and what we care about in this Nation. We had an opportunity and what the Republican leadership did, the other side of the aisle did last week, was to in fact come forward with an $82 billion package to pay for a $3.5 billion issue, and they did it for one reason; and I will quote the Senate Republican aide again.
A senior Senate Republican aide said he expected the tax credits to die in a deadlocked conference which he said appeared to be the intention of the House Republicans. It was and is the intention of the House Republicans to end this tax credit for these hardworking folks. What people may not know is that everybody else in that tax bill is going to get their tax relief on July 1. Not the families included here. Military families are not going to get it. They are going to have to apply for next year. Two hundred thousand military families fighting a war, fighting a war on our behalf, they are not going to get it. This is an outrage. This should not happen. But over and over and over again, and today what we are talking about is a tax cut, repealing, permanently, the estate tax which I pointed out earlier, 46 families, some of the wealthiest families in the country. And we cannot take care of these families.
I called on the President and the President said he wanted to see this fixed. The President needs to talk to the Republican House leadership, take them in hand and say, let's do what's right. Take the moral leadership, the moral leadership where the President stood up and he fought for the dividend tax cut, again to benefit the wealthiest people in this country. I believe he should take on the moral leadership to fight for these hardworking families.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I would just say to the gentleman, he says I voted against that bill last week. I will tell him my view and he can dispute this with me. It was a very good feel-good vote on the Republican side of the aisle, and that may be where his vote was because, according to Republican Senate people, Senator Grassley today--I am sorry, a member of the other body--a Senator from the other body said he does not have time for a conference. The majority whip in this body said no time for a conference. The gentleman felt good about voting for that bill because he knew that the Senate was not going to do it and, therefore, they were going to kill the child tax credit. He can say it over and over again. I would not vote for a bill that was instrumental in killing the child tax credit nor was it paid for. The bill that I voted for was being paid for.
Mr. Speaker, on the commentary for my not having voted for a child tax credit, let me just say we have voted six times on this issue. Democrats have voted for, Republicans voted against, including a motion to instruct on which Republicans voted for taking the bill that the other body passed and bringing it back here. My interest in this effort is not today, it is not yesterday, it is not in the last week.
On March 12, I introduced the child tax credit in the Committee on the Budget and it was voted there for the first time. All of the members on the Democratic side voted yes. All of the members on the Republican side voted no against the child tax credit. This legislation we deal with today goes into effect in 7 years. We have an opportunity to right a wrong, to right an injustice, to pass a child tax credit, to take the bill, to go to conference and address this issue and allow these hardworking people to get their benefit on July 1 as every other American who is going to get the benefit of this tax credit will. It is wrong to do otherwise.
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, as we begin consideration of the substitute, I would like us to…
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, as we begin consideration of the substitute, I would like us to focus on something pretty central to the fundamentals of legislating. We ought to do as a Congress that which we can do. The substitute I bring forward will take effect during the tenure of this Congress. It is effective January 1, 2004. The majority proposal before us does nothing during the sitting of this Congress, nothing during the sitting of the next Congress, the Congress after that, the Congress after that, the Congress after that, or the Congress after that. Nothing until January 1, 2011.
We have heard so much from the other side. We have heard so much about how they care about all the problems, how mean of us to oppose their addressing the problems. And yet now when it comes to the substitute, this is where the rubber meets the road because we want to do something now and something meaningful and they do nothing. Nothing about their bill.
Not one whit of their bill applies during the sitting of this Congress or until the year 2011.
Again, I referenced earlier the heart-wrenching examples we have heard from the majority about family farmers. Let us talk for a minute about family farmers. I know something about family farmers. In representing the State of North Dakota, I probably represent more production acreage than any other Members of this House. The family farmers who have estate tax problems, and I am happy to tell my colleagues most of them do not, but of those that do, let us get after it. Let us get them relief and get them relief now.
The substitute I have advanced would give family farm couples $6 million in exclusion from estate tax. Any farmer in operation up to $6 million, no estate taxes. One hundred percent repeal, effective January 1. That is very meaningful relief and it is going to go right to the heart of the farm families that they are talking about.
Now, what do they offer by way of an alternative, this Congress, for dealing with these farm families? Absolutely nothing. In 2004, under their proposal, family farm estates over $3 million will be subject to estate tax; over $3 million. Family farm estates per couple in our situation: $6 million. We provide double the relief immediately. And so really, what they are offering these people is a total sham, because under their proposal, nobody gets anything until the very wealthiest, a tiny number of estates in this country, are taken care of.
Mr. Speaker, where I come from, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and that is especially true when we consider prospects that this year 2011 will actually offer the kind of relief that they proclaim so loudly. Five Congresses from now are going to be looking at a very different budget situation, because the cost of their proposal absolutely explodes in the very decade baby boomers retire.
Consider the chart here. Mr. Speaker, $162 billion of revenue loss in the first 10 years. It ramps up slowly, and then really clobbers you: A $500 million loss in '04; a $31 billion loss in the year 2011; $57 billion loss in 2012; $63 billion loss in 2013. You catch my drift. This thing explodes in its consequence in the budget. Mr. Speaker, $840 billion worth of revenue loss in the next decade, just as baby boomers retire and want their Medicare and want their Social Security.
Now, what do my colleagues think is likely? We are going to say, no, baby boomers, we have this estate tax we repealed some time ago, and we are going to stick with it. I do not think so. I think the prospects are overwhelming that this distant repeal will never arrive.
Finally, I think that it just makes it very, very clear what this is all about. To look at the relief we offer in each of the next 5 years being vastly superior to theirs, because they do not want, in any way, to lose some of the momentum behind total repeal. So they will leave family farmers in the lurch through the year 2011; they will leave the small businesses they talk about in
the lurch in the year 2011. Again, look at this: estates $6 million and under; no tax under our proposal in 2004; $3 million and under taxed under their proposal. In 2005, the same situation. Again, we are superior in 2006, 2007 and 2008.
Now, if this Congress has before it the opportunity to give over each of the next 5 years meaningful relief to people that need it, why in the world do we not do it? That is exactly what this substitute is all about.
There is one final feature that I would discuss briefly; it is a feature that I was surprised to hear my friend, the gentlewoman from Washington, tout before the Committee on Rules yesterday, and that is, this notion of who is going to have capital gains tax on inherited property? Because under our proposal, when you inherit the property, the only capital gains tax on the appreciated value of that property you are going to have is between the time you inherited it and the time you sell it. Under their proposal, you are going to face capital gains taxes from the time it was purchased originally, whoever purchased it that ultimately bequeathed it to you in the inheritance.
And so in the family farm context, you have an awful lot of farmland coming into families in the 1930s, in the 1940s at just nominal value, which now has significant value. And when the heir goes to sell it, you are going to have capital gains on all capital appreciation over $1.3 million. We are going to have an awful lot of the family farmers that they are touting so much on this debate that right now do not have estate tax problems, and surely would not have estate tax problems under our bill, that are going to find themselves with walloping capital gains taxes, because they take this stepped up in basis and throw it out for carry-over so that they can help the wealthiest tiny few in this country.
Mr. Speaker, we have a proposal in my substitute to take care of 99.65 percent of the estates in this country. My gosh, that is pretty darn close to perfect, 99.7. But they do not want that relief to move forward, because it is the three-tenths of 1 percent of their wealthiest benefactors that they are most worried about. Well, I say let us deal with this straight up, take what we can get now, provide meaningful relief effective in 2004, pass the Pomeroy substitute, and get this on the road toward exactly what we need: estate tax relief now for America's families.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to have my friend and colleague, the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Cardin), assist in the management of the time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin).
(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Vermont (Mr. Sanders).
Mr. Speaker, I support reform of the estate tax--that is why I voted for the substitute. But I do not support repeal of the estate tax--and so I cannot vote for this bill as it stands. For me, this…
Mr. Speaker, I support reform of the estate tax--that is why I voted for the substitute. But I do not support repeal of the estate tax--and so I cannot vote for this bill as it stands. For me, this is not a partisan issue. Instead, it is an issue of reasonableness, fairness, and fiscal responsibility.
In 2001, I did not vote for the bill that included changes in the estate tax. However, there were parts of that bill that I think should be made permanent, including the elimination of the ``marriage penalty'' and the provisions related to the adoption credit and the exclusion from tax of restitution to Holocaust survivors. And, as I said, I support reform of the estate tax. I definitely think we should act to make it easier for people to pass their estates--including lands and businesses--on to future generations. This is important for the whole country, of course, but it is particularly important for Coloradans who want to help keep ranch lands in open, undeveloped condition by reducing the pressure to sell them to pay estate taxes.
Since I have been in Congress, I have been working toward that goal. I am convinced that it is something that can be achieved--but it should be done in a reasonable, fiscally responsible way in a way that deserves broad bipartisan support. That means it should be done in a better way than by enacting this bill, and the substitute would have done that. That alternative would have provided real, effective relief without the excesses of the Republican bill. It would have raised the estate tax's special exclusion to $3 million for each and every person's estate--meaning to $6 million for a couple--and would have done so immediately. So, under that alternative, a married couple-- including but not limited to the owners of a ranch or small business-- with an estate worth up to $6 million could pass it on intact with no estate tax whatsoever. And since, under the alternative that permanent change would take effect on January 1st of next year--not in 2011, like the bill before us--it clearly would be much more helpful to everyone who might be affected by the estate tax. At the same time, the alternative was much more fiscally responsible. It would not run the same risks of weakening our ability to do what is needed to maintain and strengthen Social Security and Medicare, provide a prescription drug benefit for seniors, invest in our schools and communities, and pay down the public debt.
The 2001 tax cut bill included complete repeal of the estate tax for only one year, 2010, but contained language that sunsets all of the tax cuts, including changes in the estate tax after 2001. This bill would exempt repeal of the estate tax from the general sunset provisions. Between now and 2013 it would reduce the Federal revenue available to meet necessary expenses by $162 billion. I think this is simply irresponsible as we face the decade between 2013 and 2022--the time when the baby boomers will be retiring.
Also, we all know, the budget outlook has changed dramatically since 2001. Trillions of dollars of budget surpluses that were projected have disappeared--because of the combination of the recession, the costs of fighting terrorism and paying for homeland defense, and the enactment of tax legislation. And now the proposal is to make the budgetary outlook even more difficult, making it that much harder to meet our national commitments--all in order to provide a tax break for less than 0.4 percent of all estates. I do not think this is responsible, and I cannot support it.
And, as if that were not bad enough, this bill does nothing to correct one of the worst aspects of the estate-tax provisions in the 2001 bill--the hidden tax increase on estates whose value has increased by more than $1.3 million, beginning in 2010, due to the capital gains tax. Currently, once an asset, such as a farm or business, has gone through an estate, whether any estate tax is paid or not, the
value to the heirs is ``stepped up'' for future capital gains tax calculations. However, last year's bill--now enacted into law--provides for replacing this with a ``carryover basis'' system in which the original value is the basis when heirs dispose of inherited assets. That means they will have to comply with new recordkeeping requirements, and most small business will end up paying more in taxes. That cries out for reform, but this bill does not provide it.
Mr. Speaker, I am very disappointed with the evident determination of the Republican leadership to insist on bringing this bill forward. Just as they have done in the past, they have rejected any attempt to shape a bill that could be supported by all Members. Since I was first elected, I have sought to work with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle on this issue to achieve realistic and responsible reform of the estate tax. But this bill does not meet that test, and I cannot support it.
Mr. Speaker, as stated on the record many times, this Member continues his strong opposition to the permanent, total elimination of the estate tax on the super-rich. The reasons for this Member's…
Mr. Speaker, as stated on the record many times, this Member continues his strong opposition to the permanent, total elimination of the estate tax on the super-rich. The reasons for this Member's opposition to this perfectly terrible idea have been publicly explained on numerous occasions, including past statements in the Congressional Record.
It must also be noted, however, that this Member is strongly in favor of substantially raising the estate tax exemption level and reducing the rate of taxation on all levels of taxable estates, and that today he has re-introduced legislation to this effect. This same bill, H.R. 42 was introduced in the previous 107th Congress by this Member--the only change in the bill introduced today is that the highest individual income tax is now 35 percent.
This Member believes that the only way to ensure that his Nebraska and all American small business, farm and ranch families and individuals benefit from estate tax reform is to dramatically and immediately increase the Federal inheritance tax exemption level, such as provided in this Member's newly re-introduced measure.
This Member's bill would provide immediate, essential Federal estate tax relief by immediately increasing the Federal estate tax exclusion to $10 million effective upon enactment. With some estate planning, a married couple could double the value of this exclusion to $20 million. As a comparison, for tax year 2002, the estate tax exclusion was only $675,000. In addition, this Member's re-introduced bill would adjust this $10 million exclusion for inflation thereafter. The legislation also would decrease the highest Federal estate tax rate from 55 percent to the ``highest individual income tax rate'' that corresponds to that specific tax year--the highest individual income tax rate will be going down to 35 percent in stages.
Finally, this Member's re-introduced bill would continue to apply the stepped-up capital gains basis to the estate, which is provided in current law. In fact, this Member has said on many occasions that he would be willing to raise the estate tax exclusion level to $15 million.
Since this Member believes that his bill or similar legislation is the only responsible way to provide true estate tax reduction for our Nation's small business, farm and ranch families, this Member must use this opportunity to reiterate the following reasons for his opposition to the total elimination of the Federal estate tax.
First, to totally eliminate the estate tax on billionaires and mega- millionaires would be very much contrary to the national interest. It is not in America's interest that absolutely huge estates should be passed from generations to generations--getting ever larger. The establishment of a permanent privileged class, re-enforced every generation, is too much like the situation in many European countries from which immigrants fled from hopelessness from the total domination of a small feudal class.
Second, the elimination of the estate tax also would have a very negative impact upon the continuance of very large charitable contributions for colleges and universities and other worthy institutions in our country.
Finally, and fortunately, this Member believes that actually the Federal estate tax will never be eliminated in the year 2010. Reason will ultimately prevail and this effort to totally eliminate the estate tax on the super-rich will be seen as the very counterproductive step that it would be.
At this point, this Member notes that under the previously enacted estate tax legislation (e.g., the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act), beginning in 2011, the ``stepped-up basis'' is eliminated, with two exceptions, such that the value of inherited assets would be ``carried-over'' from the deceased. Therefore, as noted previously by this Member, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act could result in unfortunate tax consequences for some heirs as the heirs would have to pay capital gains taxes on any increase in the value of the property from the time the asset was acquired by the deceased until it was sold by the heirs--resulting in a higher capital gain and larger tax liability for the heirs than under the current ``stepped-up'' basis law.
In closing, Mr. Speaker, while this Member is strongly supportive of legislation to substantially raise the estate tax exemption level and to reduce the rate of taxation on all levels of taxable estates, and as such today re-introduced his legislation to this effect, this Member cannot in good conscience support the permanent total elimination of the inheritance tax on the super-rich.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a cosponsor of H.R. 8, the permanent repeal of the estate tax, more honestly described as the death tax. Mr. Speaker, I believe as most Americans do that it is…
Mr. Speaker, I rise today as a cosponsor of H.R. 8, the permanent repeal of the estate tax, more honestly described as the death tax.
Mr. Speaker, I believe as most Americans do that it is unacceptable for a grieving family who has recently lost a loved one to get a visit from the undertaker and the IRS agent on the same
day. It is simply unconscionable and it ought to be illegal.
The death tax is really a tax on the American dream. Americans work hard their whole lives, they save, they invest. They build farms and shops and factories, hoping to pass along their dream to their families once they are gone, but after years of paying payroll taxes and income taxes and sales taxes and property taxes, many businesses do not make it, and those that do, the government can step in and take over half of what someone worked their whole life to build.
Mr. Speaker, I grew up working on a farm. I represent a large portion of rural Texas, and rural Texas is a great place to live, but it can on occasion be a challenge to be a good place to earn a living. I know firsthand that farmers and ranchers and small business owners have to work extremely hard to provide for their families.
A while back ago, I heard from a constituent, a rancher in Leon County. He told me how he had worked hard for over 30 years to build a cattle ranch. He almost lost it once or twice through draught and low beef prices, but he persevered, and with his family by his side, he made it into a great success. His greatest dream was to leave this ranch to his son and his daughter who had worked alongside of him, but with sadness in his voice, he told me by the time the government takes its share, there is just not enough to go around.
Many of my colleagues like to talk about tax fairness, but Mr. Speaker, is it fair to take this man's ranch away from him? Is it fair that Americans are being taxed twice on the same income? Is it fair that after a family member is gone that his loved ones are presented with a tax bill? Is it fair that the Federal Government can automatically inherit 55 percent of the family farm, business or nest egg? Aside from the fact that the death tax is inherently unfair, what about its impact on our economy?
Mr. Speaker, while small businesses create two out of every three new jobs in our Nation, death taxes can kill those small businesses and the jobs that they represent. In fact, death taxes are the leading cause of dissolution for small businesses in America.
According to the Center for the Study of Taxation, 70 percent of businesses never make it past the first generation because of death taxes. Eighty-seven percent do not make it beyond the third generation.
How do death taxes kill American jobs? With the death of a small business owner, many employees often lose their jobs when the relatives of the deceased are forced to liquidate the business just to pay the taxes.
One-third of small businesses are sold or liquidated to pay death taxes, and half of those businesses are forced to eliminate 30 or more jobs. Furthermore, small and mid-sized manufacturers spend $52,000, on average, just for death tax planning. Now, $52,000, that is a good paycheck that could be going home to somebody back in the fifth district of Texas.
On the other hand, Mr. Speaker, repealing the death tax can create 200,000 extra jobs a year helping more Americans get back to work, giving them a paycheck instead of an unemployments check, and giving yet another boost to our recovering economy. According to the National Federation of Independent Businesses, nearly 60 percent of business owners say they would add jobs in the near future if the death taxes were eliminated.
And what does our society get for the death tax? Nothing. According to the Joint Economic Committee, the cost of compliance with the death tax to the economy is roughly equivalent to the tax shield. All of those family businesses liquidated, all of those jobs lost, all of those family farms sold and all of those nest eggs cut in half. For what?
Mr. Speaker, I have heard those on the other side of the aisle use the same old tired class warfare rhetoric again and again in dealing with the death tax issue. The politics of envy. But when something is wrong, Mr. Speaker, it is simply wrong; and it does not matter if the death tax only affected one person in America. Taxing anyone twice for the same work, for the same income, for the same savings is unconscionable; and it ought to be illegal.
Mr. Speaker, I urge all my colleagues to support the permanent repeal of the death tax. It is time to end the death tax so we can resurrect the American Dream.
Beware, working men and women of America. The Republicans from Washington are in town and they are here to help you. Beware. Mr. Speaker, our Republican friends may think they are burying the estate…
Beware, working men and women of America. The Republicans from Washington are in town and they are here to help you. Beware.
Mr. Speaker, our Republican friends may think they are burying the estate tax today but they actually are burying our children under a mountain of debt. They see a problem. We Democrats see a problem. We solve a problem without burying our children under a mountain of debt. The GOP bill would create a fiscal Frankenstein that would haunt this Nation for decades to come. The Joint Committee on Taxation estimates this bill will cost $162 billion. The young people of America are going to pick up that bill. The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities projects that its costs will explode to more than $800 billion in the decade after that. So if you are about 15, watch out.
Our Nation will run a record budget deficit of more than $400 billion this year. At the same time the Republican majority has acceded to the largest increase in the debt limit in American history, $950 billion- plus in 1 year, which was what the deficit was in its entirety in 1980.
So what does the GOP propose today? Legislation that would drive us even deeper into debt. For whom? For three-tenths of 1 percent of the decedents in America. 99.7 percent of the decedents in America who owe estate tax would be exempted under our option without blowing a hole in the deficit. The fact is repealing the estate tax would only benefit the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent of the estates in America. Think of that. For three-tenths we are going to blow a continuing hole in the deficit.
Let us remember, it was Republican President Theodore Roosevelt who called for an inheritance tax in 1906 saying, and I want to quote this Republican President.
``There is every reason why . . . the national government should impose a graduated inheritance tax.'' Teddy Roosevelt himself, a man of great means, explained: ``The prime object should be to put a constantly increasing burden on the inheritance of those swollen fortunes which it is certainly of no benefit to this country to perpetuate.'' Warren Buffett, one of the wealthiest people in the world, agrees
totally with that. The bill has nothing to do with tax fairness or stimulating the economy. It has everything to do with paying homage to the GOP's reckless tax cut theology and misplaced priorities.
Today, the GOP genuflects at the tax cut alter, but the rest of us ought to be the ones saying a prayer. I urge my colleagues to vote for the Democratic alternative. We talk about personal responsibility. Be personally responsible today.
Mr. Speaker, I say to my friend from Washington State, what we hear over here is enmity, enmity towards the common wheel. I do not mean towards government, I mean towards us coming together as a people to invest in America, to invest in our children, to leave no child behind, to make sure our environment is clean, to make sure that we have the resources to invest in national defense.
Now, those of you who go to work every day and work for a living and get a salary check and have deductions from that salary check, to help your government have a national defense, have the programs for education and health care and NIH research to make our society better, hear me now. Those of you who work every day, let me tell you what the objective of this provision is.
First, we are going to exempt three-tenths of a percent; not exempt 99.7 which the Pomeroy bill does, and it speaks to those small farmers and those small business people who have grown America, who we want to exempt. We are for that. But what it does not do is add gargantuan amounts to the debt and then, let me tell my colleagues what this does. I have $100 million that I inherited from my dad, hooray for me. I will never, ever pay taxes again under the Republican program.
Never, unless it happens to be a sales tax or an excise tax. I will not pay income tax, because this is inherited dollars, and I will have it invested in corporate or savings accounts, and the Republicans want to exempt both dividends from taxation and interest on savings from taxation. So I will never pay taxes again. And, by the way, they also want to exempt capital gains.
Now, if you get most of your income from capital gains, or you get most of your income from dividends, or you get most of your income from interest, you may be for this. But if, however, you are like the overwhelming majority of Americans who get up every day, play
by the rules, work hard, and get a salary check, this undermines you, your children, and your families.
Vote for the Pomeroy substitute.
Well, so let us look at the facts, Mr. Speaker. The latest year for which we have exact data shows this: Of all of the taxable estates, only 1 percent would be considered family farms, not the…
Well, so let us look at the facts, Mr. Speaker. The latest year for which we have exact data shows this: Of all of the taxable estates, only 1 percent would be considered family farms, not the millions that the gentlewoman from Washington (Ms. Dunn) mentioned, but hundreds. That amounts to about 400 people in the entire United States.
As to family-owned businesses in that year for which we have exact data, of the 2.3 million deaths, only 776 decedents had taxable estates. So when you add up the small businesses and family farms, 1.6 of all the estates paid the estate tax.
So what is going on here? We are talking about, at the most, thousands. A few thousand. The Pomeroy substitute would increase the exclusion and, as a result, 99.65 percent of all estates would not be subject to an estate tax. So that means two-fifths of 1 percent would be subject to the estate tax.
So why, in view of that, take away $162 billion the last 3 years of this 10-year cycle and $800 billion out of Federal revenues the next 10 years? Eight hundred billion dollars. Well, the main reason is cited today in an article by David Broder based on an article, an op-ed, a week before by Grover Norquist, where he said the Republicans can't do this all at once. They are now doing it step by step. This is David Broder's analysis, and it is so correct: ``The consequence of this is a massive rollback in Federal revenue,'' ``and what he (Grover Norquist) regards as a desirable shrinkage of Federal services and benefits. In short, the goal is a system of government wiped clean, on both the revenue and spending side, of almost a century's accumulation of social programs designed to provide a safety net beneath the private economy.''
That is what is at stake here. There is class warfare against everybody except, in this case, one-quarter of 1 percent of the population. And when you take into account all the other tax cuts, it is a class warfare against all but the very, very wealthy.
Last night we tried to add to the Medicare benefit $400 billion to $500 billion and the Republicans said no. They traded $400 billion to $500 billion in Medicare benefits that we wanted to add that would make it real for the seniors of this country, for a tax cut for a few hundred, maybe a few thousand people. Not millions. Not hundreds of thousands. Not even tens of thousands. But a few hundred, or several hundreds of people. That is the Republican value system. That is their option.
So I wish they would not bring up this smoke screen of family farms and small businesses. What they are trying to do is to end this effort to provide a safety net and a step up, a hand up. Not a hand out, but a hand up the ladder for people in the middle-income and low-income groups of America.
That is where my Republican colleagues stand. Let us today show where we stand and vote for the Pomeroy amendment and against this unfortunate and not at all defensible repeal.
Mr. Speaker, the Pomeroy amendment would exclude 99.65 percent of all estates from estate tax. So what is going on here? Why would the Republicans want to abolish the estate tax on this two-fifths of 1 percent? And, by the way, almost none of the 99.65 have to file a return. I think the answer is pretty clear: It is not only that my Republican colleagues are trying to protect the very, very, very wealthiest. That they are doing. And maybe that is their instinct. But what is really happening is my colleagues are taking $50 billion a year out of the Treasury of the United States. That is the difference between the Pomeroy bill and the total repeal.
That $50 billion a year would make up about one-third of the shortfall of Social Security. It would also provide other programs, like education, that are not only a safety net but are a rung up the ladder for middle- and lower-income families, and, yes, a lot of higher-income families. So that is what the Republicans are trying to do. They say it is only 1 percent of the totals revenues of this country. But they chipping away, chip by chip, block by block at the revenue in-flow into the Treasury of the U.S. and starving the programs that are needed for the vast majority.
What the Republicans are doing is to help a teeny tiny minority, a small number, hundreds, only hundreds of farmers and small business. The rest do not pay any estate tax. What the Republicans are trying to do is to help that small, small minority, and they are hurting 99 percent of the American people.
Vote for Pomeroy and vote against the basic bill.
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Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the distinguished democratic whip, the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer). Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Let me say to…
Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the distinguished democratic whip, the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Let me say to my friend we all, of course, offer our deepest condolences as we did to his family. I am afraid, though, that the bill without the Pomeroy substitute is going to offer no help whatsoever for a decade to people who may find themselves in this same position.
One of the principal advantages of the substitute is that not only does it provide immediate help starting in 2004, exempting those estates $3 million, $6 million on a couple, and by the way, those gross estates would not have to file forms. They do not even have to file an information form if their gross value is below $3 million. So I think we would provide immediate help to a significant number, to the overwhelming majority of people who would find themselves in the same position that my colleague's family found itself in.
But there is a second reason that I think family farms, which go through a similar situation, would benefit much more from the substitute than the underlying bill, and this is predictability. I dare say that if the bill that the Republicans are bringing forward were to pass, very few individuals who had estates of 3, 4, 5, 6, $7 million would change their estate plan based upon the predictability of Congress to keep this policy in effect for the next decade, so that the relief would eventually come.
Predictability is very important in estate planning. The Pomeroy substitute gives us that predictability, a policy that will stand, a policy that exempts 99.6 percent of the estates in our country today. Those individuals would be able to make estate changes in order to deal with the new realities of a law that makes sense.
There is a third reason in addition to the fact that we provide immediate relief and it is predictable. The third reason we have heard over and over again, and it is an important reason, and this is affordability, what we can afford as a Nation.
Next week we are going to be debating whether we can afford a prescription drug plan for our seniors. We make choices. We set priorities by what we think is important. The Joint Economic Committee on Taxation, not this Member but our objective professionals, tell us that this bill will lose, when fully implemented in the next decade, $850 billion. Our prescription drug plan that will be on the floor next week is $400 billion. Those of us who say can we not find a little bit more money for the millions of seniors who do not have health insurance, can we not throw a few more dollars in that program, we are told we do not have the money.
Yet we have the money for relief that affects only a few thousand estates in this country, and that is all it is. It is not the wholesale farm. It is the farms of a very few. In fact, they are wealthy farms that are going to be affected, estates of a very few, very wealthy people in this Nation that are impacted by maintaining an estate tax for the very, very wealthy individuals. And as my friend, the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), pointed out, the reason why the underlying bill will never become law and if it becomes law it will never be sustained is that Americans would not tolerate multibillionaires passing their estates tax free and their income not being taxed. It will not be sustained.
Vote for the underlying substitute. It will affect policy today. It will take care of the problems we have heard before.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, it is now my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Emanuel).
(Mr. EMANUEL asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer).
Mr. Speaker, could I inquire as to the amount of time that remains on both sides?
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the rightful sponsor of the substitute, the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy), be allowed to control the remaining time on this side.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Maryland, my good friend, the Democratic whip for yielding to me. Mr. Speaker, the House will convene on Monday at 12:30…
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Maryland, my good friend, the Democratic whip for yielding to me.
Mr. Speaker, the House will convene on Monday at 12:30 p.m. for morning hour and 2 p.m. for legislative business and will consider several measures under suspension of the rules, and a final list of those bills will be sent to Members' offices by the end of this week.
Mr. Speaker, any votes called on those measures will be rolled until 6:30 p.m.
On Tuesday, we may consider additional legislation under suspension of the rules as well as the conference report on S. 342, the Keeping the Children and Families Safe Act. Next week we expect to consider several bills under a rule, including H.R. 8, the Death Tax Permanency Act; H.R. 1528, the Taxpayers Protection and IRS Accountability Act; and H.R. 660, the Small Business Health Fairness Act.
I would like to note for all Members that we are making a change to schedules that were sent to offices at the beginning of the year, and we do not plan to have votes next Friday, June 20.
If the gentleman will continue to yield, we intend to bring that bill to the floor this coming week, I think on Wednesday or Thursday.
We look forward to a fair and full debate on that bill. Our rules generally leave that to the Committee on Rules, but if the proposed substitute is within the rules of the House, that is normally the procedure.
Again, I have announced that we intend to bring that bill to the floor next week. Again I would expect that would be on Wednesday or Thursday.
I do not know which will come first.
We are working with the Committee on Ways and Means on that bill and intend to have that bill up the two heavy working days, Wednesday and Thursday of next week.
If the gentleman will continue to yield, this is one of the most important topics we will deal with, one of the most important debates we will have this year. Both the Committee on Ways and Means and the Committee on Energy and Commerce have been working hard for months now on a bill. That bill appears to be very near completion. We hope to have that bill on the floor before we take a district work break later this month.
As the gentleman knows, the Committee on Appropriations has begun to move forward on these bills. Two bills, Military Construction and Homeland Security, were able to mark up their bills this week. We believe the Committee on Appropriations will have several additional markups in the next week. I would anticipate that we would have some of these appropriations bills on the floor this month.
Mr. Whip, I do not have any specific feel for that, but I have heard that the other body has indicated a willingness to go to conference fairly quickly on that. I would expect that conference to move in the relatively near future.
It is always difficult to expect anything out of a conference committee, but it is certainly possible it could happen that quickly; but it is possible that is a little quicker than the conference could move. That would be some time within the next 2 weeks. I do not think that is impossible, but I think it might be a little optimistic.
I would only say that the motion to instruct was a much narrower decision than the vote on the bill itself. There were many Members not making that vote. Certainly the motion to instruct did carry, but perhaps it was because of those elevators that Members were stuck in.
I would not want to overclaim where our votes were, but I was told we had more people in the elevator getting here. I think the gentleman's comments about time and ability to get to the floor were well taken, and I am sure the Speaker and the leaders on both sides of the aisle will take that under serious consideration.
By the speed of some of the things we do, my friend, a couple of Members stepping up in 10 minutes of time is almost an avalanche. The gentleman may be right about that.
Mr. Speaker, as I have said many times in the past: I support tax relief, and I support repeal of the estate and gift tax. But, I also support tax relief that is fair and responsible. House…
Mr. Speaker, as I have said many times in the past: I support tax relief, and I support repeal of the estate and gift tax. But, I also support tax relief that is fair and responsible. House Resolution 8, the Estate Tax Repeal Permanency Act is neither at this time.
That's why I today I voted for the Pomeroy substitute, which would exclude estates worth $3 million--$6 million per couple--from the estate tax beginning in 2004. This provides relief sooner than under current law, and sooner than under H.R. 8. The Pomeroy substitute would repeal permanently the estate tax for 99.65 percent of all taxable estates.
The Democratic alternative is effective and would provide immediate relief. Small and family businesses, which are the backbone of our economy, would be protected.
Most important, it is the fiscally responsible thing to do.
This vote comes against the backdrop of huge surpluses that have turned into record-breaking deficits. This year alone, our Nation will incur a record budget deficit of more than $400 billion. This Congress, the House has already passed over $425 billion in tax cuts, including the Republican tax cuts, the increased child tax credit action of last week, and the cuts provided for in the Energy bill from earlier in the spring.
It has been estimated that the Republican estate tax repeal bill would cost $162 billion through 2013, and the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities projects that its costs would explode to more than $800 billion in the decade after that. Add this bill to the $425 billion in tax cuts already passed and it will take the total to at least $1.387 trillion of revenues lost over the next 20 years. That's $1.387 trillion in debt reduction that could have been achieved.
The revenue decrease from the estate tax repeal would come just when baby-boomers are beginning to retire and will bring increased demands on Social Security and Medicare programs, not to mention the cost of the war in Iraq and our continued involvement overseas.
I am in favor of reducing the tax burden in ways that will stimulate the economy and put money into the hands of those who need it most, but not at the expense of the long term health of this Nation, and not in a way that will burden our children and grandchildren for the rest of their lives.
Our economy is still sputtering. We cannot continue to cut revenues when it does nothing to stimulate the economy. We are already making severe cuts in much needed services, and not expanding programs that are proven investments in our future and our children's future.
As an example of the flawed priorities of this Congress, this week in committee the Republicans voted not to spend $12 billion to fully fund Head Start, yet a few short weeks ago they voted to give relief to people who do not need it in the form of huge tax cuts. Adding to our national deficit again today will continue to make it more difficult for the Federal Government to address other pressing social needs, including education, health care, and home land security.
Long-term success in this country depends on high-quality education, stable and high-paying jobs and access to quality health care, and we must invest in these things to secure our children's future.
What we need today is a renewed commitment to fiscal responsibility. What we need today is a new direction and an emphasis on the future, not on the past.
I support repealing the estate tax, and have voted to do so today in a responsible manner, by supporting the Pomeroy substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of inquiring of the distinguished majority whip the schedule for tomorrow, and I will be pleased to yield to my friend, the distinguished majority whip. I yield to…
Mr. Speaker, I rise for the purpose of inquiring of the distinguished majority whip the schedule for tomorrow, and I will be pleased to yield to my friend, the distinguished majority whip.
I yield to the gentleman from Missouri.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for the information he provided us. I would like to ask a number of questions about bills that we see on the horizon, to see whether or not they may be scheduled in the near future.
The Associated Health Plans, can you tell us what day we might consider that bill, and how the bill will be considered, and whether or not we will be allowed a substitute and/or amendment?
Does the gentleman have any information as to whether or not the minority would be allowed a substitute to that bill?
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman's remarks and I hope that we will be able to get a substitute and such amendments as we might deem to be appropriate to be considered by the full House.
On the State tax bill, can you tell us when we might consider that bill and also the status of any rule?
Do you know which would come first, the associated health plans or the State tax?
The IRS Accountability Act, can you tell us what day we might consider that bill and under what type of rule?
Medicare prescription drugs, there has been a lot of activity on that, and I know that a lot of work is going on in the Senate and here in the House. Can you tell us about when we can expect to see the Medicare prescription drug legislation considered in the committee of jurisdiction and then on the floor?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman.
Appropriations bills, I know we have started to mark up appropriations bills in the committee. When do you expect the first appropriations bills may come to the floor, now that some of the subcommittees are beginning to mark up their bills, and how many bills do you expect to consider before the July 4 district work period?
Lastly, Mr. Whip, the child tax credit, we have just instructed the conference committee to pass the Senate bill out of conference on a bipartisan vote. I do not see the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means, but is there any feel when that bill might come out of conference?
Mr. Speaker, would it be fair to expect that we would consider that conference committee prior to the July 4 district work period?
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, I thank the gentleman for his comments, and I would simply say from our side of the aisle, and I know I speak for the leader and myself, in light of the fact that the House has urged the conference committee to report out the Senate bill, and in light of the fact that the Senate passed it 94-2, it would seem to be a relatively easy matter if the conferees followed the instructions of the House to pass the Senate bill. I believe the Senate would probably concur in that judgment, and we could have a bill out of here perhaps as early as next week.
Reclaiming my time, I do not know about everybody else, but of course had the gentleman who complained made the vote, we would have had one more vote on our side, as the gentleman indicated.
I yield to the gentleman from Virginia.
Mr. Speaker, it is almost an avalanche of support for the position of this side, and some enlightened souls on your side of the aisle, and so perhaps we ought to conclude before we have such an overwhelming majority that there will be no alternative but to follow those instructions.
I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, I am going to urge that my colleagues vote against this rule. On the one hand, they do allow a Democrat substitute that I am pleased to…
I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I am going to urge that my colleagues vote against this rule. On the one hand, they do allow a Democrat substitute that I am pleased to offer, one that would provide very meaningful estate tax relief. In fact, it would completely take care of any estate tax problem of 99.65 percent of the people of this country. It is far more relief than offered under the majority proposal in each of the next 5 years.
So these family farms and these small businesses we are going to be hearing so much about, the alligator tears we are going to be seeing cried on the majority side, we help them and we help them now. On the other hand, the majority approach is very different. Nobody gets nothing until the wealthiest three-tenths of 1 percent get everything that they need. That is why we have the inferior plan on their side compared to the more generous benefit of ours.
There is another very big difference. Theirs would drive the deficit higher to the tune of $160 plus billion dollars over 10 years. Why I want to vote against this rule is that we had a proposal in the amendment that I proposed to the Committee on Rules that would have completely paid for the relief we provide. There would have been zero impact on the deficit. Yet to my surprise, the substitute allowed in order only provides for the tax relief portion and does not provide the means by which we avoid any impact on the deficit whatsoever. We wanted to close the Enron-like tax shelters.
We also had some customs fees, and yet they have shielded this, stripped it out of the rule; and so what we are allowed on the floor will have a deficit impact. I vote against the rule.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, to my friend from New York, we had within the substitute proposed to the Committee on Rules, on which the gentleman served so well, a pay-for so we were not going to impact the deficit. You took out the pay-for provisions of what we submitted to the committee. You make us impact the deficit, although it is only a fraction to which the majority proposal impacts the deficit. We know you do not care about the deficits. In fact, there has been a $9 trillion reversal in the financial fortunes of this country within the last 2 years. We think enough is enough. We do not want to drive the deficit deeper and deeper, and that is why I so wish you would have allowed for the pay-for portion proposed to the Committee on Rules to be considered.
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
I believe the gentleman was out of the room at the time I testified, but I would refer him to the transcript.
Does the gentleman want me to answer his question or does he not?
It is not true.
Mr. Speaker, is the gentleman going to yield to me to answer his question?
Then I will proceed to answer. If the gentleman will check the transcript of my remarks before the Committee on Rules, I asked that the proposal I offered be considered that paid for the provision for the very meaningful estate tax relief we extend by closing the Enron-type tax loopholes.
I know you probably do not want that considered on the floor of the House. So what you have made in order does not allow us to incorporate the pay-fors. I think that is unfortunate. My specific request to the chairman of the Committee on Rules was to allow the pay-fors.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, I have been listening to the discussion and the debate and the rhetoric, and I have been a bit disappointed by some of the…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentlewoman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I have been listening to the discussion and the debate and the rhetoric, and I have been a bit disappointed by some of the arguments that have been made; not surprised by the arguments, but nonetheless disappointed. There have been some of my colleagues on the other side who have talked about hypotheticals. Let me allow my colleagues a little glimpse into a very personal story.
On November 22 of last year, my father collapsed and died at our family's home in Southeast Missouri. He was 68. On his first trip to Washington, D.C., he sat right up there in the gallery to watch his son take the first oath of office. He died without an estate plan. In fact, I wish my colleagues could have met my dad, because if they had shaken his hand, they would have immediately noticed the callouses from 4 decades of working our family's farm down in the district of the gentlewoman from Missouri (Mrs. Emerson).
One of the necessities, of course, of having that painful experience is that my mom and I, as the surviving members of the family, had to conduct an inventory. And I do not mind telling my colleagues, a 493- acre farm, a number of irrigation systems, farm equipment, grain trucks, the modest home where I grew up, modest savings and, thankfully, because of Congress's actions a number of years ago, my mom was not required to pay the tax. Yet, she has vowed to put together an estate plan in order to pass on the legacy that my father built.
So she has been forced to spend thousands of dollars to accountants, to lawyers to create these legal contortions that are required by the very existence of the estate tax. Can anybody give me a compelling reason why she should have to spend her limited resources in order to preserve my father's legacy? Can anyone?
As long as the estate tax laws remain on the books, surviving family members across this country will have to shell out hard-earned dollars to ensure that the long reach of the death tax does not force them to sell off assets in the family business.
The gentleman from North Dakota is my friend. I applaud his intent. One of the charts that he mentioned, at the bottom, it says only 400 farms would actually be subject to the estate tax. I think that is what it says on the bottom of it, and I will let my colleagues look at the exhibit; and yet what the chart does not say is that every farm or every family business has to file an estate tax form and a return, perhaps a simple exercise, but in every instance where a family business has been accumulating assets, a return has to be filed, which means again hours of meetings with accountants and lawyers and, again, a cost of compliance.
So it is not just the number of estates that would be subject to the tax. It is this huge cost that as long as the estate tax, the inheritance tax remains on the laws of our books there will be this cost of compliance to all family businesses across the country.
Simply, the death of a family member should never be a taxable event.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Washington State for yielding me this time and for the recognition. It is interesting to hear the rhetoric so far and the lectures that come from the left and…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Washington State for yielding me this time and for the recognition.
It is interesting to hear the rhetoric so far and the lectures that come from the left and the far left on this matter. They seek to find logic in their illogic. On one hand they tell us that this only affects a very few people. Glaringly omitted from their diatribe against accomplishment is the fact that those very few people, when we take this tax in totality and look at it, account for a little more than 1 percent of total revenues to the Federal Government in any given year.
So understand that the impact here would not tear asunder the safety net as merchants of fear would have us believe. Quite the contrary. Indeed, rather than resorting to the politics of fear, why not embrace the initiatives of opportunity. Stop and think about the small businesses across America that are family owned, the people they employ. Indeed, we know in rural communities that rural areas are affected disproportionately by this.
And though my friend talks about a small percentage of family farms, I think it is safe to say that those family farms impact other businesses, such as farm machinery businesses in their town, grocery stores in their town, and other opportunities for economic advancement. There is a multiplier effect.
Indeed, as we take a look at this, the real life experiences of two Arizonans come to mind: One, a lady living down in Tucson who stopped me and said, you know, my dad had a job, and it was not that of a high- falutin tycoon. He was a milkman in Southern California. After his days in World War II he came home. She said her mom passed away, and her dad made some wise investments. He was thrifty. Then her dad found out he had a terminal illness. He had not spent years in estate planning. He was just the kind of guy for whom thrift and initiative was a byword, and his estate had accumulated to over $6 million. And now, as he had passed away from this terminal illness, this lady and her siblings were confronted with giving over half of her father's estate to the government.
Or take the example of the 1994 Democratic nominee for Governor in the State of Arizona, Eddie Basha, a proponent of eliminating the death tax. Why? Because he is in the grocery business. The grocery business is capital intensive. He wants to pass the business on to his children. Small wonder that my friend Eddie has left the Democratic party and now is a registered Independent.
But, friends, whether you are a Republican, Democrat, Independent, Libertarian, or Vegetarian, you understand this: There should be no taxation without respiration. The fact is, those who work hard and save and pass their businesses down, whether in the minority community, the Hispanic community, the African American community, those respective of Chambers of Commerce embrace this idea. Because by getting the wealth down intergenerationally, we can, in fact, encourage jobs and investments. Vote ``yes'' on this measure. Put the death tax to death.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Pomeroy substitute to H.R. 8, the Estate Tax Repeal Permanency Act, and in opposition to the underlying bill. As the son of a small business owner, I know…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of the Pomeroy substitute to H.R. 8, the Estate Tax Repeal Permanency Act, and in opposition to the underlying bill. As the son of a small business owner, I know firsthand the tax burden placed on entrepreneurs and working families, and I support efforts to responsibly protect small business owners.
The Pomeroy substitute provides needed relief by eliminating estate taxes for assets totaling $3 million per individual or $6 million per married couple. Increasing the exemption to this level means that 99.65 percent of all estates will not pay a single penny of the estate tax beginning in 2004. The substitute provides relief sooner than the Republican bill, which does not take full effect until 2011 and has an exemption of only $1.5 million for 2004. Small businesses and farm owners should not be penalized for their success, nor should they need to worry about their ability to pass the family business on to future generations, and the substitute addresses these concerns.
H.R. 8 goes far beyond providing fair tax relief to small businesses and family farms that are in greatest need of assistance. Besides benefiting just a few thousand American families per year, H.R. 8 would also have a devastating impact on charities, foundations, universities and other philanthropic organizations because the estate tax provides a powerful tax incentive to donate money to these groups. The Department of Treasury estimates a decrease of up to 12 percent per year in charitable giving, or more than $1 billion annually, should full repeal occur.
The Republicans' call for repealing the estate tax comes at a time when our Government is already in fiscal crisis. The 2001 estate tax provision will reduce revenues by more than $192 billion over ten years, and over the second decade, the costs will be a whopping $820 billion. With a $400 billion deficit for fiscal year 2003, now is not the time to add $1 trillion in debt to the tab that future generations must pay. These added costs also come as Congress prepares to pass a prescription drug program and baby boomers near retirement. We must work to meet our obligation to our Nation's seniors rather than cutting taxes for the wealthiest families in America.
Based on Internal Revenue Service data for 2002, out of approximately 10,000 deaths in my home State, only 426 Rhode Island decedents filed estate tax returns. This number would be much lower with the $3 million exemption under the Pomeroy substitute. Under our Democratic alternative, those eligible middle-income families, small business owners and family farmers truly in need would receive estate tax relief.
I urge my colleagues to join me in supporting permanent reform of the estate tax, but not irresponsibly repealing it. Our small business owners are in need of relief, and we must provide it without leaving future generations to pay the bill.
Mr. Speaker, I guess we are all in touch with our constituents. Mine was quoted today. Bill Gates, Sr. lives in my district, and he said the principal issue is the growing budget deficit. You cannot…
Mr. Speaker, I guess we are all in touch with our constituents. Mine was quoted today. Bill Gates, Sr. lives in my district, and he said the principal issue is the growing budget deficit. You cannot run a $400 billion deficit year after year and go around repealing taxes at the same time.
Now, I learned in Sunday school, and it may surprise some of you, but I went to Sunday school, and I learned that you cannot take anything with you when you die. But it is not fair to heap $800 billion of additional debt on your kids as you go out of sight.
This argument we are having here today is an old one in this society. We made the decision between John Adams and Thomas Jefferson that we were not going to have primogeniture in this country; that you could not pass everything on to your eldest son and that was it. We said everybody ought to start with an even shot, men and women. We have come a long way using that. But now we are saying that somebody who inherited from his father or his mother, millions and millions and millions of dollars, should get it just because he was born lucky.
Now, I have read the Bible and I have looked around and I do not find that anywhere, that if you are born lucky, as they say, some guys were born on third base and they think they hit a triple, but this is not something where you have a God-given right to that. You have a God- given right in this country to have an equal shot.
As for the farmers, I listened to my colleague from Washington go on and on and on about the farmers. I have a letter here from the National Farmers Union dated 16 June. ``I write on behalf of 300,000 farmers with the National Farmers Union. There is no evidence that the estate tax has forced the liquidation of any farms, and existing estate tax provisions already exempt 98 percent of all farms and ranches.'' By increasing the level of the estate tax, as we will get an opportunity with the Pomeroy substitute, to $4 million per individual, 99.5 percent of America's agricultural producers would be exempt from any State liability.
Now, if the farmers are who we are arguing about here, 300,000 of them just spoke, and they say this is baloney. In fact, the letter goes on to say that, ``we need that money for crop supports and conservation and all the other things that government provides.'' So they understand that having a government that can provide services is important.
Mr. Speaker, if we give away all of the money, we are going to come back here next year and say we cannot do conservation, we cannot do crop subsidies, we cannot do anything because we do not have the money. These farmers are not stupid. They understand. I think we ought to vote for the Pomeroy amendment.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 8, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003. I am a proud cosponsor of this bill. I am pleased that the House approved my bill last year to accomplish…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of H.R. 8, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003. I am a proud cosponsor of this bill. I am pleased that the House approved my bill last year to accomplish this very same goal. Unfortunately, we were unable to garner the votes in the Senate to enact this into law.
The Death Tax Needs to Die. Along with the marriage penalty, the death tax is perhaps the most disgraceful tax levied by the Federal Government and it should be repealed. The death tax is double taxation. Small business owners and family farmers pay taxes throughout their lifetime, then at the time of death they are assessed another tax on the value of the property on which they have already paid taxes.
Critics claim that we can't afford to eliminate the death tax. They are wrong. We can't afford not to permanently repeal the death tax. Family businesses spend nearly $14.2 billion a year on estate planning and insurance costs largely to avoid the death tax. Studies indicate the cost of compliance with the death tax equals the amount of death taxes received. Thus, the ``real'' cost of the death tax to business is double the tax burden.
During the debate last year on my bill to permanently repeal the death tax, I asked a constituent of mine. Danny Sexton of Kissimmee, FL and owner of Kissimmee Florist, to come to Washington and share his ``death tax'' experience.
Mr. Sexton, who comes from a family of florists, inherited his uncle's flower shop and was faced with paying almost $160,000 in estate taxes. This forced him to have to liquidate all of the assets, lay off staff, but salaries, and take out a loan just to pay the death tax. He also had to establish a line of credit just to keep the operation running.
Danny Sexton is the face of the death tax. The death tax isn't a tax for the rich, it is a tax that hurts family owned businesses--family owned businesses that are the back-bone of this great Nation. The folks that worked in Danny's florist were not rich, but they lost their jobs because of the death tax.
According to the National Federation of Independent Business more than 70 percent of family businesses do not survive the second generation and 87 percent of family businesses do not make it to the third generation. Sixty percent of small business owners report that they would create new jobs over the coming year if death taxes were eliminated.
For the sake of future generations, Congress must take responsibility, do the right thing, and permanently repeal the estate tax. I urge my colleagues to vote for H.R. 8, the Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of 2003.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, anecdotes are indispensable when the facts speak to the contrary, and perhaps we have to remind Members what the facts are…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, anecdotes are indispensable when the facts speak to the contrary, and perhaps we have to remind Members what the facts are once again. These are not our figures, these are not made-up figures, these are figures provided by the Federal Government, the Bush administration.
In 1999, roughly 2.3 million Americans died. Of those 2.3 million Americans who died, less than 1.3 percent, some 33,000 Americans, paid estate taxes. That is the 1.3 wealthiest Americans in our country who paid estate taxes. So 98.7 percent of the rest of Americans who passed away in 1999 paid zero estate taxes. So when we talk about repealing the estate tax, eliminating the estate tax, we are giving a tax break not for Americans but the 1.3 percent richest Americans in this country.
It is easy with anecdotes to hide behind family farms and family businesses which constitute less than 1 percent of the estates that are paying estate taxes. And it is real easy to hide behind the fact that in legislation like this we are back-loading the costs. We are phasing in the repeal so slowly, so gradually that when we start to add up the real cost of the repeal of the estate tax to the wealthiest 1.3 percent of Americans, when we fully phase it in when it is gone completely, it totals about $80 billion a year starting in 2014 when this takes full effect. $80 billion a year in revenues will be lost to the Federal Treasury, more than $800 billion over the decade from 2014 to 2023.
Now, perhaps it would not be so bad to give the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans a tax cut that 99 percent of Americans would not get at a cost of $800 billion over the next 10 years from 2014 to 2023 if not for the fact that today every Member knows that we have a budget deficit for the year of over $400 billion, the largest deficit this country has ever faced in any year; and we are told that it is probably going to rise to half a trillion dollars, $500 billion next year. And that is after 2 years ago when the President took office and he said we are going to have for the next 10 years surpluses totaling over $5.6 trillion.
We have seen a reversal from surpluses of $5.6 trillion to now projections of a $3.6 trillion debt over the next 10 years. How can we talk about giving $800 billion to the 1.3 percent wealthiest Americans? We spend more in tax cuts than we spend in all our educational programs that the Federal Government spends on all our schools combined.
Let us defeat this. Vote for the Pomeroy substitute.
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[H.R. 8 Placed on Calendar Senate (PCS)]
Calendar No. 165
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 8
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IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
June 19, 2003
Received and read the first time
June 20, 2003
Read the second time and placed on the calendar
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AN ACT
To make the repeal of the estate tax permanent.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the
United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ``Death Tax Repeal Permanency Act of
2003''.
SEC. 2. ESTATE TAX REPEAL MADE PERMANENT.
Section 901 of the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation
Act of 2001 shall not apply to title V of such Act.
Passed the House of Representatives June 18, 2003.
Attest:
JEFF TRANDAHL,
Clerk.
By Martha C. Morrison,
Deputy Clerk.
Calendar No. 165
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 8
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AN ACT
To make the repeal of the estate tax permanent.
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June 20, 2003
Read the second time and placed on the calendar