Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 760) to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion.
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The House Committee on Rules reported an original measure, H. Rept. 108-139, by Mrs. Myrick.
June 3, 2003
Section 2 of the rule provides that after passage of H.R. 760, it shall be in order to take from the Speaker's table S. 3, the Partial-Birth Abortion Act of 2003, and to consider the Senate bill in the House. The rule further provides for a motion to strike all after the enacting clause of S. 3 and to insert in lieu thereof the provisions of H.R. 760 as passed by the House and waives all points of order against the motion to strike and insert.
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Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 56.
June 3, 2003
Considered as privileged matter. (consideration: CR H4910-4919)
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DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 257.
June 4, 2003 • 3:33 PM
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Passed/agreed to in House: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 280 - 138 (Roll no. 236).(text: CR H4910)
June 4, 2003 • 4:56 PM
On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 280 - 138 (Roll no. 236). (text: CR H4910)
June 4, 2003 • 4:56 PM
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
June 4, 2003 • 4:56 PM
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 257, I call up the bill (H.R. 760) to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion, and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker,…
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 257, I call up the bill (H.R. 760) to prohibit the procedure commonly known as partial-birth abortion, and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on H.R. 760.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, H.R. 760, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, would prohibit the gruesome and inhumane procedure of partial-birth abortion that, unfortunately, we are all too familiar with. An abortionist who violates this ban would be subject to fines, a maximum of 2 years' imprisonment, or both. The bill includes an exception for those situations in which a partial-birth abortion is deemed necessary to save the life of the mother. An identical bill, H.R. 4965, was approved by this Chamber last summer by a 274-151 vote, but the then- Democratic leadership in the other body chose not to bring it up for a vote.
A moral, medical, and ethical consensus exists that partial-birth abortion is an unsafe and inhumane procedure that is never medically necessary and should be prohibited. Contrary to the claims of advocates of this gruesome procedure, the procedure remains an untested, unproven, and potentially dangerous procedure that has never been embraced by the medical profession. Unfortunately, two Federal bans that were passed by prior Republican Congresses and sent to President Clinton's desk were promptly vetoed.
In June 2000, the United States Supreme Court struck down Nebraska's partial-birth abortion ban, which was similar, but not identical, to bans previously passed by Congress. The Court concluded that Nebraska's ban did not clearly distinguish the prohibited procedure from the other more commonly performed second trimester abortion procedures. The Court also held, on the basis of highly disputed factual findings of the district court, that the law was required to include an exception for partial-birth abortions deemed necessary to preserve the health of a woman.
H.R. 760's new definition of partial-birth abortion addresses the Court's first concern by clearly and unambiguously defining the prohibited procedure. The bill also addresses the Court's second objection to the Nebraska law by including extensive congressional findings based upon medical evidence received in a series of legislative hearings, that, contrary to the factual findings of the district court in Stenberg, a partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to preserve a woman's health, poses serious risk to a woman's health, and in fact is below the requisite standard of medical care.
H.R. 760's lack of a health exception is based upon Congress's factual determination that partial-birth abortion is a dangerous procedure that does not serve the health of any woman. The Supreme Court has a long history, particularly in the area of civil rights, of deferring to Congress's factual conclusions. In doing so, the Court has recognized that Congress's institutional structure makes it better suited than the judiciary to assess facts upon which it will make policy determinations.
As Justice Rehnquist has stated, the Court must be, ``particularly careful not to substitute its judgment of what is desirable for that of Congress, or its own evaluation of evidence for a reasonable evaluation by the legislative branch.'' Thus in Katzenback v. Morgan, while addressing section 4(e) of the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the Court deferred to Congress's factual determination that section 4(e) would assist the Puerto Rican community in ``gaining nondiscriminatory treatment in public services,'' stating: ``It is not for us to review the congressional resolution'' of the various issues it had before it to consider. Rather, ``It is enough that we are able to perceive a basis upon which the Congress might resolve the conflict as it did.''
Similarly in Fullilove v. Klutznick, when reviewing the minority business enterprise provision of the Public Works Employment Act of 1977, the Court repeatedly cited and deferred to the legislative record and factual conclusions of Congress to uphold the provisions as an appropriate exercise of congressional authority.
In addition to the health risks to women who undergo the partial- birth abortion procedure, it is particularly brutal and inhumane to the nearly born infant as virtually all the infants upon whom this procedure is performed are alive and feel excruciating pain. Furthermore, a child upon whom a partial-birth abortion is being performed will not be significantly affected by medication administered to the mother during the performance of the procedure.
As credible testimony received by the Subcommittee on the Constitution confirms, ``Current methods for providing maternal anesthesia during partial-birth abortions are unlikely to prevent the experience of pain and stress'' that the child will feel during the procedure. Thus, claims that a child is almost certain to be either dead or unconscious and near death prior to the commencement of the partial-birth abortion are unsubstantiated.
H.R. 760 enjoys overwhelming support from members of both parties precisely because of the barbaric nature of this procedure and the dangers it poses to women who undergo it. Additionally, the American Medical Association has recognized that partial-birth abortions are ``ethically different from other destructive abortion techniques because the fetus, normally 20 weeks or longer in gestation, is killed out of the womb.'' Thus, the ``partial birth'' gives the fetus an autonomy which separates it from the right of the woman to choose treatments for her own body.
Implicitly approving such a brutal and inhumane procedure by choosing not to prohibit it will further coarsen society to the humanity of not only newborns but all vulnerable and innocent human life. Thus, Congress has a compelling interest in acting, indeed it must, to prohibit this inhumane procedure.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Michigan is right. The Supreme Court is not required to accept congressional findings. In the cases that I have cited, they have given great deference to congressional findings. Here in the Stenberg case, the Supreme Court accepted the findings of the district court. We believe the district court's findings were in error. That is why there are extensive findings contained in H.R. 760 which we hope are substantiated by extensive hearing records and that the Supreme Court will give the same type of deference that it has done in the past in civil rights and employment cases.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Chabot).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Forbes).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Smith).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Hoekstra).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, we have heard from the people who oppose this legislation that it infringes on Roe v. Wade. Roe v. Wade very clearly gives Congress and the several States the right to prohibit abortions on viable babies.
There is one State in the Union, Kansas, that collects statistics on partial-birth abortions. Let me quote from page 17 of the committee report: ``The experiences of the State of Kansas, the only State to require physicians to report the performance of partial-birth abortions, are instructive on this point. Under its mandatory reporting scheme for partial-birth abortions, in 1998, 58 partial-birth abortions were performed, all of which were on viable babies and all of which were necessary to prevent a substantial or irreversible impairment of a major body function, which was the impairment of the patient's mental function.
``Similarly, in 1990, 182 such procedures were performed,'' all for the same reason, and again, all on viable babies.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. Pearce).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Chabot).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Nebraska (Mr. Terry) on this bipartisan bill.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee) is wrong. This bill will save lives. It will save the lives of viable babies who are subjected to this brutal and inhumane treatment. The gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee) was not listening when I quoted the Kansas report that said of the partial-birth abortions that were reported under their State law, most of them were on viable fetuses.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sessions).
Mr. Speaker, I am prepared to close general debate if the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler) wants to use the rest of his time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of the time.
Mr. Speaker, the major argument that gets to the substance of this bill that the opponents have stated in the last hour is that the findings that Congress makes that are contained in H.R. 760 the Supreme Court will just completely ignore.
I will be the first to concede that the Supreme Court does not have to accept congressional findings, nor does the Supreme Court have to accept findings that have been made by lower courts either that reach their own conclusions; but there is a string of cases in
the last 20 years or so that have indicated that the Supreme Court will defer to congressional fact finding, and they have been highly and historically deferential to Congress's factual determination, regardless of the legal authority upon which Congress has sought to legislate, as the following case quotes demonstrate.
First, ``The fact that the Court is not exercising a primary judgment but sitting in judgment upon those who also have taken the oath to observe the Constitution and who have the responsibility for carrying on government compels the court to be particularly careful not to substitute our judgment of what is desirable for that of Congress, or our own evaluation of evidence for a reasonable evaluation by the legislative branch.'' That is Rostker v. Goldberg, 1981.
Second, ``It is for Congress, as the branch that made this judgment, to assess and weigh the various conflicting considerations. It is not for us to review the congressional resolution of these factors. It is enough that we be able to perceive a basis upon which the Congress might resolve the conflict as it did.'' Katzenbach v. Morgan, 1966.
Third, ``Here we pass on a considered decision of Congress and the President. We are bound to approach our task with appropriate deference to the Congress, a co-equal branch.'' Fullilove v. Klutznick, 1980.
Fourth, ``The Supreme Court 'must afford great weight to the decisions of Congress. The judgment of the legislative branch cannot be ignored or undervalued. When the Court faces a complex problem with many hard questions and few easy answers, it does well to pay careful attention to how the other branches of government have addressed the same problem.''' Columbia Broadcasting System v. The Democratic National Committee, 1973.
Fifth, ``Congress is far better equipped than the judiciary to amass and evaluate the vast amounts of data bearing upon an issue as complex and dynamic as that presented here.'' Turner Broadcasting System v.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the Greenwood substitute and claim the time in opposition.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, this substitute is identical to H.R. 809, and that bill is a phony ban which would grant a giant loophole that allows abortionists to perform partial-birth and third-trimester abortions at will. The substitute, which would prohibit the performance of an abortion after the unborn infant became viable, would not prohibit any abortion, from the substitute, ``if, in the medical judgment of the attending physician, the abortion is necessary to preserve the life of the woman or to avert serious adverse health consequences to the woman.''
The proponents of this substitute admit that their measure would allow any abortion at any stage of pregnancy if the mother's mental health is at risk. Thus, by its own term, this bill would not prohibit partial-birth abortions, nor would it prohibit late-term abortions because it grants the abortionist, who has a financial interest in performing as many abortions as possible, unbridled discretion to determine whether a partial-birth or third-trimester abortion may be performed.
Abortionists have demonstrated that they can and will justify any abortion on the grounds that it, in the judgment of the attending physician, is necessary to avert serious adverse health consequences to the woman. For example, Dr. Warren Hern of Colorado, the author of the standard textbook on abortion procedures who also performs many third- trimester abortions, has stated, ``I will certify that any pregnancy is a threat to a woman's life and could cause grievous injury to her physical health.'' This is a man who has a financial interest in performing the abortion, and this is the physician who under the Greenwood substitute would be able to certify that the loophole is proper and the abortion can be performed.
I will quote from Dr. Hern again: ``I will certify that any pregnancy is a threat to a woman's life and could cause grievous injury to her physical health.''
The substitute sponsors have stated that even psychological trauma caused by the pregnancy could justify an abortion, including a partial- birth abortion at any stage of pregnancy, including the third trimester.
The substitute would also have no effect on most partial-birth abortions because the bill only prohibits abortions after the fetus is viable in the vast majority of partial-birth abortions are performed on babies 4\1/2\ to 5\1/2\ months in development. Before it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that a given baby is viable, remember we are dealing with criminal statutes here; and prosecution, if this bill becomes law, the substitute becomes law, must prove that the fetus is viable in order for the ban to kick in.
The lung development of babies at this stage of pregnancy is such that most of them cannot survive if delivered from the mother's womb prematurely. Many of them can survive, but the percentages are such estimates of 39 percent of babies born at 23 weeks that it would be impossible for the government to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any given one of these babies would have survived in a given case.
Given the substitute's failure to define the term ``viable,'' it would not be sufficient to show that the baby had a one in three or one in two or even a three in four chance of survival. Unless the baby was in the seventh month of pregnancy or later, reasonable doubt would remain as to whether that particular baby would have survived outside the womb.
Furthermore, the notion that viability is a prerequisite for giving any legal protection to a child is misguided. Premature infants who are born before the third trimester with little or no chance of survival are fully entitled to the protections of law while they are alive. A person could not, for example, just walk into a neonatal intensive care unit and kill an infant who was born 23 weeks into the pregnancy and is in an incubator struggling to survive. That child has only a 39 percent chance of surviving, but his ultimate viability has no bearing on whether or not he is entitled to the protections of the law.
In the same way, partially born children with little or no chance of survival outside the womb are entitled to the protections of law. Viability is simply not a prerequisite for legal protection of born or partially born children.
For these reasons, I urge my colleagues to vote against the substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde).
(Mr. HYDE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Pennsylvania (Ms. Hart).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), whose name was taken in vain.
Mr. Speaker, the example the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Mrs. Johnson) gave would have fallen under the exception that is contained in H.R. 760. The subsection which is the ban does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.
The real-life story that the gentlewoman from Connecticut's husband faced would have fallen under the exception and would have allowed a partial-birth abortion. That is why this bill should pass and the substitute should be defeated.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. King).
(Mr. KING of Iowa asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) who knows more about delivering babies than practically all of us.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Renzi).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Virginia (Mrs. Jo Ann Davis).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Vitter).
Mr. Speaker, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DeLay), the majority leader.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume and thank the gentlewoman for yielding me the customary 30 minutes. (Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume and thank the gentlewoman for yielding me the customary 30 minutes.
(Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, here we are again, considering the rule for the same unconstitutional bill. I must voice my grave concern with H.R. 760, the so-called Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Today The New York Times says in an editorial, ``Partial Birth Mendacity,'' which means lie, that although promoted as narrowly focused on a single late-term abortion procedure, the measure's wording adds up to a sweeping prohibition that would, in effect, overturn Roe v. Wade by criminalizing the most common procedures used after the first trimester, but well before fetal viability.
My constituents are facing unemployment. They are losing out on child tax credit. They need more funding for our first responders, they need the promised health care for our veterans; but here we are debating a rule on legislation that violates fundamental constitutional rights and threatens women's health.
Mr. Speaker, 3 years ago the United States Supreme Court struck down similar legislation that banned safe and effective abortion procedures. They confirmed again a woman's reproductive rights as recognized in Roe v. Wade and reaffirmed 2 decades later in Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey.
H.R. 760 suffers from the same constitutional flaws as the Nebraska statute thrown out by the Court. The ban on medical procedures is vague and overbroad, and it does not contain an exception from the procedure ban when a woman's health is threatened. And it goes so far as to give the father of the fetus the right to sue the woman or the doctor for money even if he has beaten his wife or rapes her or had threatened her life or has deserted her. How crazy is that?
Obstetricians and gynecologists say that the term ``partial-birth abortion'' is not a medical term, and they are right. It is purely a political creation. The definition of the procedure that H.R. 760 seeks to ban is written in nonmedical language that could cover at least two different procedures, one of which is the most commonly used abortion procedure. This vague and overbroad definition, which is probably not by accident, would create so much confusion in the medical community that doctors would not know which medical procedures might land them in jail with a huge fine. We should not make our doctors into criminals.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the doctors who perform these procedures, say that the procedure the bill seeks to proscribe may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a particular circumstance to save the life or to preserve the health of the woman and only the physician in consultation with the patient and based on her circumstances can make this decision. The Congress of the United States has never, ever outlawed a medical procedure. What are we doing here, and what in the name of God is next?
Medical professionals and every Federal court in the country that has heard this issue, except for one, have agreed that these are safe procedures and may be the safest procedures in some circumstances; but we are going to take that away. And who will suffer for that? The American women.
Physicians and not politicians and pundits should provide women and their families with medical advice. I want a doctor to treat my daughters and granddaughters. Women and their families, not the government, should make these difficult, private, medical decisions; and if that is not the case, then every time a procedure is done, there should be a Member of Congress standing at the door okaying it.
The bill would deprive doctors of the ability to care for their patients by outlawing safe and effective medical procedures, something we have never done. We assume that once they have gone through medical school, done their internship and their residencies, they ought to know what they are doing. Congress would subject women to even more dangerous medical procedures and put their health and lives in jeopardy. Everybody deserves the best medical care based on the circumstances of their particular situation.
Instead of making abortion more difficult and dangerous for women, we should pass legislation that helps reduce the need for abortion by reducing the number of unintended pregnancies. That is the most important thing that we could do; and by increasing funding for title X, to require the insurance coverage of contraception, which we will not do, making emergency contraception more available, which we are afraid of, and increasing research for other contraceptive methods. Indeed, I am not at all sure that after this bill is passed and signed by the President that the sale of contraceptives will not be in danger.
H.R. 760 brazenly seeks to sidestep the Constitution. The Supreme Court
has plainly determined that the Constitution requires an exception when the woman's health is endangered. Pages and pages of congressional findings do not change or fulfill constitutional demands or protect women's health.
The authors of this bill hope that the Federal courts, most especially the United States Supreme Court, will defer to these congressional findings and waive this constitutional requirement, but the Court has unequivocally said that the power to interpret the Constitution in a case or controversy remains in the judiciary, and the Court has said that simply because Congress makes a conclusion does not, in the Court's opinion, make it true.
Just because the findings in the bill assert that there is no medical reason for a health exception does not make that true and it does not change the demand of the Constitution. As Ruth Marcus, writing in the Washington Post, noted today, ``Justice Clarence Thomas wrote in a different context that if Congress could make a statute unconstitutional simply by finding that black is white or freedom is slavery, judicial review would be an elaborate farce.'' Think about that for a moment. That if Congress could make a statute constitutional simply by finding that black is white and we were to determine that, or that freedom and slavery are not different, then why would we have judicial review?
So why are we today considering a rule for this unconstitutional bill? Richard Posner, chief judge of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit, who was appointed by President Reagan, gave us the answer. He wrote that proponents of similar legislation ``are concerned with making a statement in an ongoing war for public opinion, though an incidental effect of that opinion may be to discourage late-term abortions. The statement is that fetal life is more valuable than women's health.''
Judge Posner went on to say that if a statute burdens constitutional rights and all that can be said on its behalf is that it is the vehicle that legislators have chosen for expressing their hostility to those rights, then the burden is undue. Those are very important words, Mr. Speaker. Those are words from jurists and people who know whereof they speak.
Again Ruth Marcus' article points out that the political agenda is clear. Ken Connor, who is the president of the conservative Family Research Council, spelled it out in an e-mail after the Senate voted on a measure similar to this last March. ``With this bill,'' he wrote, ``we are beginning to dismantle, brick by brick, the deadly edifice created by Roe v. Wade.
As the mother of three daughters, a grandmother and a longtime advocate for women's health, I strongly believe that this bill is a threat to women's health and an attempt to whittle away at a woman's constitutional right to choose.
I urge my colleagues to oppose this rule and to oppose H.R. 760.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey).
(Ms. WOOLSEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds just to say to the previous speaker that we know what the agenda is. It was pointed out today. Kent Connor, the president of the Conservative Family Research Council spelled it out. He said, ``With this bill we will dismantle, brick by brick, Roe v. Wade.''
I hope that all of my colleagues are listening in the House, because this may be the last vote we will have on choice.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Linda T. Sanchez).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, I am always dismayed by the fact that these fetuses are described as ``viable.'' That is one of the saddest things in the world.
I have talked to parents who had this procedure, babies who were in utero with their brains on the outside, with no lungs, no possibility of living. Always the notion is given if they were just allowed not to go through that procedure, they would get down and almost run around the room.
It is not true. It is not true. The parents who have to go through this are heartbroken over it, but it is the way they can have further children. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists who perform these procedures say it may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a particular circumstance.
What if your wife or your daughter is in a particular circumstance, and you had voted to outlaw the procedure that would be the best for her future and her life and maybe even save her life? We have no right to do that, Mr. Speaker, no right at all.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I do not want to say anything contradictory to my friends on the other side who want to make sure these children are born; but if they are poor, they are not going to get the benefit of the tax rebate.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Delahunt).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Corrine Brown).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I want to say to my colleague, the gentlewoman from Colorado, how happy I am that she had that experience. I am even more happy that that experience showed that that fetus was in good shape and would be able to be born and to be healthy.
We are talking today about women who are faced with the fact that the fetus will not be. I think we are getting astray from that.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, first I want to say that the statistics on the clinic in Pennsylvania were really quite shocking. I thought these were all done in hospital situations. I have never heard those kinds of figures for anything.
That aside, let me read about a woman who terminated a pregnancy that, they are very rare, I still believe that.
The decision to terminate a pregnant late in term is an agonizing decision for the women and their families. Listen to the story of Viki Wilson and her family as she told it in her own words:
``In the spring of 1994, I was pregnant and expecting Abigail, my third child. My husband, Bill, an emergency room physician had delivered our other children and would do it again this time. At 36 weeks of pregnancy, however, all of our dreams and happy expectations came crashing down around us. My doctor ordered an ultrasound that detected that all of my previous prenatal testing had failed to detect. Approximately two-thirds of my daughter's brains had formed outside her skull. What I had thought were big, healthy, strong baby movements were, in fact, seizures.
``My doctor sent me to several specialists, including a perinatologist, a pediatric radiologist, and a geneticist, in a desperate attempt to find a way to save her; but everyone agreed she would not survive outside my body. They also feared that as the pregnancy progressed and before I went into labor, she would probably die from the increased compression in her brain.
``Our doctors explained our options, which included labor and delivery, c-section, or termination of pregnancy. Because of the size of her anomaly, the doctors feared that my uterus might rupture in the birthing process probably rendering me sterile. The doctors also recommended against a c-section because they could not justify the risks to my health when there was not any hope of saving Abigail.
``We agonized over our options. Both Bill and I are medical professionals. I am a registered nurse and Bill is a physician, so we understood the medical risks inherent in each of our options. And after discussing our situation extensively and reflecting on our options, we made the difficult decision to undergo an intact D&E.
Losing Abigail was the hardest thing that has ever happened to us in our lives, but I am grateful that Bill and I were able to make this difficult decision ourselves and that we were given all of our medical options. There will be families in the future faced with this tragedy. Please allow us to have access to the medical procedures we need. Do not complicate the tragedies that we already face. Oppose H.R. 760.''
Mr. Speaker, for Viki and her family and for other Vikis yet to come, I hope that my colleagues will oppose this rule and oppose the underlying bill, H.R. 760. And I urge them to remember that once this bill passes the House, if it does, then it will be substituted for the Senate bill. The Senate bill at least
had the protection in it that was passed by Senator Dorgan on his request that says that Roe v. Wade would be preserved. Obviously, by substituting this bill for that bill, Roe v. Wade will not be preserved.
[From the New York Times, June 4, 2003]
``Partial Birth'' Mendacity, Again
If the so-called partial-birth abortion ban now careering
toward almost certain approval by the full House this week
has a decidedly familiar ring, it is not your imagination
playing tricks. The trickery here belongs to the measure's
sponsors.
Although promoted as narrowly focused on a single late-term
abortion procedure, the measure's wording adds up to a
sweeping prohibition that would, in effect, overturn Roe v.
Wade by criminalizing the most common procedures used after
the first trimester, but well before fetal viability. Indeed,
the measure replicates the key defects that led the Supreme
Court to reject a strikingly similar state law a mere three
years ago. In addition to its deceptively broad sweep, the
bill unconstitutionally omits an exception to protect the
health of the woman.
Plainly, the measure's backers are counting on the public
not to read the fine print. Their strategy is to curtail
access to abortion further as the inevitable legal challenge
wends its way back to the Supreme Court for another showdown.
They obviously hope that by that time, there will have been a
personnel change that will shift the outcome their way.
House members who vote for this bill will be participating
in a cynical exercise that disrespects the rule of law and
women's health while threatening the fundamental right of
women to make their own childbearing decisions.
Representatives who care about such things will not go along.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, this bill is unconstitutional. The bill before us will not prohibit any abortions. Its supporters claim it prohibits a procedure, but the abortion will still take place involving another…
Mr. Speaker, this bill is unconstitutional.
The bill before us will not prohibit any abortions. Its supporters claim it prohibits a procedure, but the abortion will still take place involving another procedure, and I will not inflame the debate by describing in detail the alternative procedures that may be used. But I will point out that Nebraska had a law banning the same procedure. Nearly 3 years ago the United States Supreme Court held in Stenberg v. Carhart that that law was unconstitutional.
The Supreme Court said five times in its majority opinion and other times in concurring opinions that in order to make a partial-birth abortion ban constitutional, the law must contain a health exception to allow the procedure, quote, ``where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.'' That is what five Supreme Court justices said was necessary to make the bill constitutional. All five are still on the Supreme Court.
In that case, the Court said:
The question before us is whether Nebraska's statute making criminal the performance of a partial-birth abortion violates the Federal Constitution as interpreted in Planned Parenthood v. Casey and Roe v. Wade. We conclude that it does for at least two independent reasons.
They said the first reason was that the law lacked an exception for the preservation of the health of the mother. The Stenberg court reminded us what a long line of cases has held, that, and they say, ``subsequent to viability, the State may, if it chooses, regulate and even proscribe abortion,'' and they put this in italics, ``except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.''
It goes on to say, in quotes, in case we did not understand the italics, that the governing standard requires an exception, quote, ``where it is necessary in the appropriate medical judgment for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.''
The Court continues talking about the health exception by saying and mentions another quote:
Justice Thomas said that ``The cases just cited limit this principle to situations where the pregnancy itself creates a threat to health.'' He is wrong. The cases cited, reaffirmed in Casey, recognize that a State cannot subject women's health to significant health risks both in that context and also where State regulations force women to use riskier methods of abortion. Our cases have repeatedly invalidated statutes that in the process of regulating the methods of abortion imposed significant health risks. They make it clear that the risk to a woman's health is the same whether it happens to arise from regulating a particular method of abortion or from barring abortions entirely.
Finally, the Court says:
Nebraska has not convinced us that a health exception is, quote, ``never medically necessary to preserve the health of women.'' Rather, a statute that altogether forbids the partial-birth abortion creates a significant health risk. The statute subsequently must contain a health exception.
And if we did not get it, the Court reiterates again:
``By no means must a State grant physicians unfettered discretion in their selection of methods. But where substantial medical authority supports the proposition that banning a particular method could endanger women's health, Casey requires the statute to include a health exception when the procedure is, quote, 'necessary in appropriate medical judgment for the
preservation of the life or health of the mother.' Requiring such an exception in this case is no departure from Casey, but simply a straightforward application of its holding.''
Mr. Speaker, whatever our views are on the underlying issue of abortion, we ought to read the decision and apply the law. The Supreme Court in one opinion said at least five times that a health exception must be included for the statute to be constitutional. Furthermore, they put the exact phrase to be used, ``necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother'' in italics and quotations.
The majority proposes that we consider a bill without this unqualified health exception. The Court made it clear that such a health exception is required and, therefore, this rule that requires us to consider a bill without that exception ought not pass.
Mr. Speaker, I ask the House to defeat the rule so that we can have a bill considered with a health exception that might possibly be constitutional.
Mr. Speaker, I include for the Record a Statement of Policy from the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists which says that this procedure may be necessary in some circumstances.
The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists Statement of
Policy on Abortion
The following statement in the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists' (ACOG) general policy
related to abortion, with specific reference to the procedure
referred to as ``intact dilatation and extraction'' (intact D
& X).
1. The abortion debate in this country is marked by serious
moral pluralism. Different positions in the debate represent
different but important values. The diversity of beliefs
should be respected.
2. ACOG recognizes that the issue of support of or
opposition to abortion is a matter of profound moral
conviction to its members. ACOG, therefore, respects the need
and responsibility of its members to determine their
individual positions based on personal values or beliefs.
3. Termination of pregnancy before viability is a medical
matter between the patient and physician, subject to the
physician's clinical judgment, the patient's informed consent
and the availability of appropriate facilities.
4. The need for abortions, other than those indicated by
serious fetal anomalies or conditions which threaten maternal
welfare, represents failures in the social environment and
the educational system.
The most effective way to reduce the number of abortions is
to prevent unwanted and unintended pregnancies. This can be
accomplished by open and honest education, beginning in the
home, religious institutions and the primary schools. This
education should stress the biology of reproduction and the
responsibilities involved by boys, girls, men and women in
creating life and the desirability of delaying pregnancies
until circumstances are appropriate and pregnancies are
planned.
In addition, everyone should be made aware of the dangers
of sexually transmitted diseases and the means of protecting
each other from their transmission. To accomplish these aims,
support of the community and the school system is essential.
The medical curriculum should be expanded to include a
focus on the components of reproductive biology which pertain
to conception control. Physicians should be encouraged to
apply these principles in their own practices and to support
them at the community level.
Society also has a responsibility to support research
leading to improved methods of contraception for men and
women.
5. Informed consent is an expression of respect for the
patient as a person; it particularly respects a patient's
moral right to bodily integrity, to self-determination
regarding sexuality and reproductive capacities, and to the
support of the patient's freedom within caring relationships.
A pregnant women should be fully informed in a balanced
manner about all options, including raising the child
herself, placing the child for adoption, and abortion. The
information conveyed should be appropriate to the duration of
the pregnancy. The professional should make every effort to
avoid introducing personal bias.
6. ACOG supports access to care for all individuals,
irrespective of financial status, and supports the
availability of all reproductive options. ACOG opposes
unnecessary regulations that limit or delay access to care.
7. If abortion is to be performed, it should be performed
safely and as early as possible.
8. ACOG opposes the harassment of abortion providers and
patients.
9. ACOG strongly supports those activities which prevent
unintended pregnancy.
The College continues to affirm the legal right of a woman
to obtain an abortion prior to fetal viability. ACOG is
opposed to abortion of the healthy fetus that has attained
viability in a healthy woman. Viability is the capacity of
the fetus to survive outside the mother's uterus. Whether or
not this capacity exists is a medical determination, may vary
with each pregnancy and is a matter for the judgment of the
responsible attending physician.
Intact Dilatation and Extraction
The debate regarding legislation to prohibit a method of
abortion, such as the legislation banning ``partial birth
abortion,'' and ``brain sucking abortions,'' has prompted
questions regarding these procedures. It is difficult to
respond to these questions because the descriptions are vague
and do not delineate a specific procedure recognized in the
medical literature. Moreover, the definitions could be
interpreted to include elements of many recognized abortion
and operative obstetric techniques.
ACOG believes the intent of such legislative proposals is
to prohibit a procedure referred to as ``intact dilatation
and extraction'' (Intact D & X). This procedure has been
described as containing all of the following four elements:
1. deliberate dilatation of the cervix, usually over a
sequence of days;
2. instrumental conversion of the fetus to a footling
breech;
3. breech extraction of the body excepting the head; and
4. partial evacuation of the intracranial contents of a
living fetus to effect vaginal delivery of a dead but
otherwise intact fetus.
Because these elements are part of established obstetric
techniques, it must be emphasized that unless all four
elements are present in sequence, the procedure is not an
intact D & X. Abortion intends to terminate a pregnancy while
preserving the life and health of the mother. When abortion
is performed after 18 weeks, intact D & X is one method of
terminating a pregnancy.
The physician, in consultation with the patient, must
choose the most appropriate method based upon the patient's
individual circumstances.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
(CDC), only 5.3% of abortions performed in the United States
in 1993, the most recent data available, were performed after
the 16th week of pregnancy. A preliminary figure published by
the CDC for 1994 is 5.6%. The CDC does not collect data on
the specific method of abortion, so it is unknown how many of
these were performed using intact D & X. Other data show that
second trimester transvaginal instrumental abortion is a safe
procedure.
Terminating a pregnancy is performed in some circumstances
to save the life or preserve the health of the mother.
Intact D & X is one of the methods available in some of
these situations. A select panel convened by ACOG could
identify no circumstances under which this procedure, as
defined above, would be the only option to save the life or
preserve the health of the woman. An intact D & X, however,
may be the best or most appropriate procedure in a particular
circumstance to save the life or preserve the health of a
woman, and only the doctor, in consultation with the patient,
based upon the woman's particular circumstances can make this
decision. The potential exists that legislation prohibiting
specific medical practices, such as intact D & X, may outlaw
techniques that are critical to the lives and health of
American women. The intervention of legislative bodies into
medical decision making is inappropriate, ill advised, and
dangerous.
Approval by the Executive Board. General policy: January
1993. Reaffirmed and revised July 1997. Intact D & X
statement: January 1997. Combined: and reaffirmed September
2000.
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank very much the ranking member of the subcommittee on Judiciary that is managing this bill, I want to thank him for the great work that he and the Judiciary staff have done…
Mr. Speaker, I want to thank very much the ranking member of the subcommittee on Judiciary that is managing this bill, I want to thank him for the great work that he and the Judiciary staff have done in trying to bring some understanding to the significance of what we are doing here today.
First of all, let us begin the discussion by recognizing that the term ``partial-birth abortion'' is a political term or a rhetorical term. It is not found in the medical journals. It is not found in the textbooks on medicine. The reason is that it was invented in the Congress. Okay?
The bill before us is different from other bills that have attempted to ban abortion because this bill has now determined that they would get around the Supreme Court ban on these procedures which require the health of the mother be taken into consideration by saying, we have a bill here that has about 14 pages of findings, congressional findings, that now make it unnecessary to follow Roe v. Wade and the other major case that precludes these bills from being constitutional. They have been struck down repeatedly, repeatedly, repeatedly. But this bill is now going to be okay because we have congressional findings.
Flash to the Congress. All congressional findings are not approved by the Supreme Court. Sorry about that, gentlemen. We have here, that I will put into the Record, and I hope we will have some discussion on it, the Turner Broadcasting case, Supreme Court case; the Morrison case, the Penhurst case, we go on and on with a long list of cases that say all findings are not findings and that therefore the Supreme Court is going to say, oh, okay, you had two or three doctors testify before your subcommittee and from this you draw findings and so, therefore, now all the Supreme Court decisions about the protection of the health and life of the mother are void. Not so.
The reason is that H.R. 760 simply states that the district court erred in its finding of fact and law, but as a matter of fact, this bill does not add a health exception, but instead simply states that the procedures covered by the bill are not necessary and that therefore their use pose no risk to the mother's health.
We listen to some doctors, we then determine that we have now exceptions and we pack them into this bill and we say, That's it. We don't need to determine that the health and welfare of the mother is as critical as the Supreme Court used to think because now we have findings, congressional findings. And the Supreme Court has got to follow congressional findings. Right? Wrong.
It would seem that on the basis that this was done, it will be pretty easy for the Supreme Court to look behind this bill, H.R. 760.
Mr. Speaker, the Supreme Court has accorded some deference to congressional findings as Congress is the legislative body representing the people. The Court has ruled that it is not necessary for Congress to present conclusive evidence when declaring findings, and Congress has the discretion to weigh evidence and make reasonable inferences.
Nonetheless, the courts do not blindly follow congressional findings. In numerous cases, including Turner, Morrison, and Pennhurst, courts review evidence and look at sworn testimony that is subject to cross- examination before coming to a conclusion. Thus, the implication in H.R. 760 that courts strictly defer to congressional findings is not correct.
H.R. 760 cites Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission (``Turner I'') and Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission (``Turner II'') to show that the Court pays great deference to congressional findings. However, in Turner I and Turner II, the Court deferred to the overwhelming array of factual evidence presented by Congress. Evidence presented included extensive case law, Senate Reports, numerous hearings held by numerous committees and subcommittees, declarations, and reports. The Court paid great deference to the factual propositions Congress presented. The Court stated that Congress could weight the evidence it uncovered and make ``reasonable inferences based on substantial evidence.''
The key difference is that H.R. 760 simply states that the District Court erred in its findings of fact and law. Gainsaying, no matter how presented, is not the same as fact findings. For example, H.R. 760 does not add a health exception but instead simply states that the procedures covered by the bill are not necessary and that their probation poses no risk to the mother's health. This declaration goes directly against the ruling of the Supreme Court in Stenberg and the findings of fact in the lower court. The ``findings,'' in effect, are an attempt to overturn Stenberg. Congress cannot simply refute findings of fact made by the District Court by presenting its own ``findings'' that are contrary to the evidence the Court depended upon to make its ruling.
In Pennhurst State School and Hospital v. Halderman, a patient at a Pennsylvania hospital for the mentally retarded challenged the conditions of the hospital. The patient claimed Pennhurst Hospital had violated the terms of Sec. 6010 of the Developmentally Disabled Assistance and Bill of Rights Act of 1976 (``DDABRA''). Sec. Sec. 6010(1) and (2) of the DDABRA was ``the bill of rights provision,'' and it ``grant[ed] to mentally retarded persons a right to `appropriate treatment, services, and habilitation' in `the setting that is least restrictive of . . . personal liberty.' ``In Sec. 6010, Congress made a series of findings that were repudiated by the Court. The Court found that Sec. 6010 ``is simply a general statement of `findings' '' and ``does no more than express a congressional preference for a certain kind of treatment.'' The Court held that the ``bill of rights'' did not create a requirement for States to provide the least restrictive environment or to provide certain kinds of treatment to the mentally retarded.
Likewise, in United States v. Morrison, the Court struck down a section of the Violence Against Women Act (``VAWA'') as a violation of the Commerce Clause in the face of overwhelming congressional findings that domestic violence affected interstate commerce. The Court stated, ``[T]he existence of congressional findings is not sufficient, by itself, to sustain the constitutionality of Commerce Clause legislation.'' Therefore, although the Court defers to congressional findings, findings alone are not sufficient to make an unconstitutional act constitutional.
As with Pennhurst, the ``findings'' in H.R. 760 express a congressional preference, and it is unlikely that any court would defer to the findings. The language in the proposed bill is similar to the challenged language in Pennhurst in that the ``findings'' include precatory language. For example, the ``findings'' include the statement that so-called ``partial-birth'' abortions are never medically necessary even though the Court in Stenberg concluded otherwise.
H.R. 760 also purports to rely on the Supreme Court's holding in Katzenbach v. Morgan for the proposition that the Court will employ a ``highly deferential review of Congress's factual conclusions.'' However, Katzenbach involved Congress's power under section 5 of the 14th Amendment to craft a remedy to a 14th amendment violation Congress had identified. Congress went beyond what the Supreme Court had deemed required as a remedy by the 14th Amendment. In that case, the Court held that provisions of the Voting Rights Act prohibiting the enforcement of a New York law requiring the ability to read and write English as a condition of voting was an appropriate exercise of Congress's section 5 powers. Specifically, the Court said that while Congress could use its enforcement power to provide additional protections for a right guaranteed by the 14th Amendment, it could not narrow that right. H.R. 760 would do exactly the opposite of what the Court approved in Katzenbach in that it narrows, rather than enforces a right protected under the 14th Amendment; in this case, the right to choose as delineated in Roe.
Moreover, in the intervening years, the Court has become far less deferential to Congress's enforcement powers under sec. 5, and to Congress as a finder of fact.
It is unclear what types of procedures are covered by the legislation. Although some believe the legislation would apply to an abortion technique known as ``Dilation and Extraction'' (D & X), or ``Intact Dilation and Evacuation,'' it is not clear the term would be limited to a particular and identifiable practice. For example, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecologists has noted that the definitions in the bill ``are vague and do not delineate a specified procedure recognized in the medical literature. Moreover the definitions could be interpreted to include elements of many recognized abortion and operative obstetric techniques.'' As a result, the bill could well apply to additional abortion procedures known as D & E (Dilation and Evacuation), and induction.
In the wake of the controversies over partial birth abortions, a number of states have taken up similar legislation. Like the federal bill, most of the state measures are so vague and so broad that they cover a wide range of abortion methods.
The overwhelming majority of courts to have ruled on challenges to state so-called ``partial-birth abortion'' bans have declared the bans unconstitutional and enjoined their enforcement. In the last three years, medical providers have challenged the state statutes that ban ``partial-birth abortion'' in twenty states. In eighteen of those states--Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, Rhode Island, West Virginia, and Wisconsin--the bans are currently enjoined, in whole or in part. In a nineteenth, Alabama, the state attorney general has limited the ban's enforcement to post- viability abortions. In only one state, Virginia, has a court considered the constitutional challenges but nevertheless permitted enforcement of the statute pending further proceedings. Six federal district courts have entered permanent injunctions against statutes that are virtually identical, word for word, with H.R. 760.
The reality concerning quantitative data is that there is no national figures on the absolute number of D & X procedures performed. The two authorities which have the most comprehensive information on abortion-- the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Alan Guttmacher Institute (AGI) do not compile data on the number of D & X procedures before or after viability.
According to AGI, in the most recent year for which data is available--1996--the total number of abortions nationally fell to 1.35 million from a high of 1.61 million in 1990. Of these, ``an estimated total of 31 providers performed the [D&X] procedure 2,200 times in 2000, and 0.17% of all abortions performed in that year used this method.''
Proponents of H.R. 760 also ignore the fact that most women do not simply elect to delay the time of their abortion or gratuitously choose the D & X procedure. The causes for delay are varied, including a dearth of abortion providers in many poor or rural areas, lack of availability of Medicaid funding, fear of violence at local clinics, teenagers fearful of notifying their parents or subject to delays caused by notice and informational requirements, and women who only learn of severe fetal abnormalities as a result of late term ultrasound or amniocentesis tests (which is subject to a mandatory wait for results). Physicians will not recommend a particular type of abortion procedure--D & X or otherwise--unless they believe it to be the safest for their patients.
Mr. Speaker, I have another story; it is one that I have watched and heard and seen over the years that we have been dealing with this concept, political concept of partial-birth abortion. I have the…
Mr. Speaker, I have another story; it is one that I have watched and heard and seen over the years that we have been dealing with this concept, political concept of partial-birth abortion.
I have the story of several women appearing in the Committee on the Judiciary room some years ago. I believe at that time there may have been only two women on the Committee on the Judiciary, each of us having our own personal story of childbirth and understanding the enormous challenge, burden and emotion of that particular act or procedure along with family members encouraging and hoping for a wonderful live birth.
We listened to women from around the country who came and said that had it not been for a procedure that allowed them to live, they might not have been able to procreate ever again. We heard women say that they had tried and tried and tried to retain the pregnancy, but that under the advice of their doctors in certain months, they were asked to have that particular pregnancy terminated.
Mr. Speaker, this is not a foolish nor is it a frivolous nor is it a political question. This is a question of privacy. We recently honored the 30th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade decision and that decision reaffirmed a woman's right to choose.
I respect my opponents for they have their own reasons, but I will say that I respect life and I respect the right of a woman to make that decision between her god, her family, and her physician.
Partial-birth abortion is not a medical term. The opponents know that. They know that the Supreme Court has reaffirmed a woman's right to choose. They also realize that it does not allow a health exemption which the Supreme Court unequivocally said was a fatal flaw in any restriction on abortion. They realize that this bill is flawed. They realize that it will not save lives.
But most importantly, what we are doing here today is not promoting the sanctity of life, but we are saying to women that you do not count. They count. Vote against this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to H.R. 760. By debating this bill, this Chamber is once again considering anti-choice legislation that is unconstitutional and dangerous to women's health. As I have in the past, once again I oppose this legislation.
We recently honored the 30th anniversary of the landmark Roe v. Wade decision. This decision reaffirmed a woman's right to choose. H.R. 760 is not only unconstitutional but it is yet another attempt to ban so- called ``partial birth abortions.'' This is a non-medical term. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar statute in Stenberg v. Carhart. The Court invalidated a Nebraska statute banning so-called ``partial birth abortions.'' So, this legislation is at odds with the court's ruling. In Roe v. Wade, the court held that women had a privacy interest in electing to have an abortion, based on the 5th and 14th Amendments' concept of personal liberty.
Despite the fact that the Supreme Court struck down legislation virtually identical to H.R. 760 in the year 2000, anti-choice Members of Congress continue to jeopardize women's health by promoting this legislation to advance their ultimate goal of eliminating a woman's right to choose altogether.
H.R. 760 is unconstitutional for the same two reasons the Supreme Court found other statutes attempting to ban partial birth abortions unconstitutional. First, H.R. 760 lacks a health exception, which the Supreme Court unequivocally said was a fatal flaw in any restriction on abortion. Second, the non-medical term ``partial birth abortion'' is overly broad and would include a ban of safe, previability abortions. Banning the safest abortion option imposes an undue burden on a woman's ability to choose.
There are several safe procedures at issue in H.R. 760: the intact dilation and extraction or dilation and extraction (``intact D&E'' or ``D&X''), the dilation and evacuation (``D&E''), and induction abortions. The proponents of H.R. 760 claim the bill would ban only the D&X procedure, but medical experts argue otherwise.
D&E is the most commonly used procedure for second-trimester abortions. Together, D&E and D&X abortions comprise approximately 96 percent of all second-trimester abortions performed in this country. Induction abortions account for the majority of the remaining 4 percent of second-trimester abortions, require hospitalization, and are more expensive than D&E or D&X abortion. While induction is a safe procedure, for some women, it poses unacceptable risks.
With the vast majority of second-trimester abortion procedures performed using the D&E or D&X methods or by induction, banning these procedures would ban virtually all previability second-trimester abortions in this country. If H.R. 760 passes, physicians will be left with very few options to protect the safety of their patients. Physicians will have to choose between performing practically all second-trimester abortions under threat of criminal and civil prosecution, changing their medical practices to the detriment of the maternal health and financial health of their patients, or stop providing second-trimester abortions altogether.
Forcing physicians to choose from these limited options, prevents physicians from electing a procedure that is within the accepted standard of care, is safe, and for some women may be safer than the options remaining. The D&X abortion procedure offers a variety of safety advantages over other procedures. Compared to D&X abortions, D&X involves less risk of uterine perforation or cervical laceration because the physician makes fewer passes into the uterus with sharp instruments. There is substantial medical evidence that D&X reduces the risk of retained fetal tissue, a complication that can cause maternal death or injury. The D&X procedure is a safer option than other procedures for women with particular health conditions. Finally, D&X procedures usually take less time than other abortion methods used at a comparable stage of pregnancy, which can have significant health advantages.
In fact, as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) has concluded, D&X may be ``the best or most appropriate procedure in a particular circumstance to save the life or preserve the health of a woman.''
H.R. 760 would improperly put the legislature in the physician's office. Allowing physicians to exercise their medical judgment is not only good policy--it is also the law. In Stenberg v. Carhart, 530 U.S. 914 (2000), the Supreme Court rules that all abortion legislation must allow the physician to exercise reasonable medical judgment, even where medical opinions differ. The Court made clear that exceptions to an abortion ban cannot be limited to situations where the health risk is an ``absolute necessity,'' nor can the law require
unanimity of medical opinion as to the need for a particular abortion method.
The proponents of H.R. 760 have further compromised the medical safety of women by refusing to draft an exception to the ban on certain abortion procedures to protect women's health. Such an exception is required under the Constitution. The Supreme Court has concluded in several cases that a women's health is always the physician's primary concern and that a physician must be given the discretion to determine the best course of treatment to protect women's lives and health.
The bill's ban on safe abortion procedures that are within the standard of care strips physicians of the discretion they need to make critical medical judgments. This will result in an unacceptable risk to women's health. Given the safety advantages of D&E, D&X and induction procedures over other abortion procedures, banning these procedures will necessarily harm women and deprive them of optimal care. As a physician and a woman, I consider this result unacceptable.
The findings to H.R. 760 attempt to justify the fact that the bill directly conflicts with Carhart by suggesting that the Supreme Court must defer to Congressional fact-finding, even if Congress's so-called ``facts'' conflict with the preponderance of evidence in litigation before the Court. But the drafters of H.R. 760 are wrong. First, a fundamental tenet of our constitutional structure, which establishes three separate branches of the Federal government, is that Congress can enact laws, but it cannot decide whether those laws are constitutional. The power to decide what laws are constitutional is exclusively the Supreme Court's role.
Second, the Supreme Court is not required to defer to Congressional fact-finding. Rather, the Court has the power and the duty to independently assess the evidence that is presented to it, as it did in Carhart, and has no obligation to defer to Congressional findings on ``partial-birth abortion.''
The drafters of H.R. 760 are clearly wrong in asserting that they can overrule Carhart through legislation. Prior attempts by Congress to undo disfavored Supreme Court rulings (such as Congress's attempt to legislatively overturn Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436 (1966), and Employment Division, Dep't of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990)) have been soundly rejected by the Supreme Court. Given the utter absence of legal support for this bill, it must be seen as a purely political gesture, not as a serious attempt at legislation.
The ACOG, whose more than 44,000 members represent approximately 95 percent of all board-certified obstetricians and gynecologists practicing in the United States, opposes abortion ban legislation and has stated that ``. . . [t]he intervention of legislative bodies into medical decision making is inappropriate, ill advised, and dangerous.''
In addition to ACOG, other medical groups have opposed attempts by Congress to enact abortion ban legislation, including:
The American Public Health Association, the American Nurses Association, the American Medical Women's Association, the California Medical Association, Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health, the American College of Nurse Practitioners, the American Medical Student Association, the Association of Reproductive Health Professionals, the Association of Schools of Public Health, the Association of Women Psychiatrists, the National Asian Woman's Health Organization, the National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Reproductive Health, the National Black Women's Health Project, the National Latina Institute for Reproductive Health, the National Women's Health Network, and the Rhode Island Medical Society.
Mr. Speaker, the medical community has voiced wide-spread opposition to H.R. 760. Likewise, the Supreme Court has opposed the bans on abortion procedures proposed in H.R. 760. I join the medical community and the Supreme Court is standing up for women's constitutionally protected right to choose safe abortion procedures. I oppose H.R. 760 and I urge my colleagues to do the same.
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Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Partial-birth abortion is the termination of the life of a living baby just seconds before it takes its first breath outside the womb.…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Partial-birth abortion is the termination of the life of a living baby just seconds before it takes its first breath outside the womb. The procedure is violent, it is gruesome, it is horrific, it is barbaric, it is infanticide.
Proponents of this procedure will tell you a different story today. They want you to believe it is about politics or ideology. They will do anything to divert attention from the cold, hard facts about partial- birth abortion.
I want to remind everybody that we have seen these same tactics for many years and that the misinformation touted by the abortion lobby was exposed as blatant propaganda back in 1997. We might recall that the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers admitted that he, quote, ``lied through his teeth when he stated that partial-birth abortions were rarely performed.'' He went on to say that the procedure is most often performed on healthy mothers who are about 5 months pregnant with healthy fetuses.
So as we debate this compassionate bill today, I ask that you remember the truth: Partial-birth abortion remains an untested, unproven and dangerous procedure that has never been embraced by the mainstream medical community.
I would like to take a few minutes to discuss this legislation in more detail. Two years ago in Stenberg v. Carhart, the United States Supreme Court struck down Nebraska's partial-birth abortion ban which was similar, but not identical, to bans passed by previous Congresses. To address the constitutional concerns raised by the majority in Stenberg, our legislation differs from previous proposals in two areas. First, the bill contains a new, more precise definition of the prohibited procedure that, as expert medical testimony received by the Subcommittee on the Constitution indicated, clearly distinguishes it from more commonly performed abortion procedures.
Opponents of this legislation claim that doctors will be confused by the definition of partial-birth abortion. Despite the assertions of the abortionists who defend this procedure, the new definition provides physicians anatomical guideposts so that there will be no confusion about which procedure is prohibited.
Second, our legislation addresses the Stenberg majority's opinion that the Nebraska ban placed an undue burden on women seeking abortions because it failed to include an exception for partial-birth abortions deemed necessary to preserve the health of the mother. The Stenberg court based its conclusion on the trial court's factual findings regarding the relative health and safety benefits of partial-birth abortions, findings which were highly disputed.
Under well-settled Supreme Court jurisprudence, the United States Congress is not bound to accept the same factual findings that the Supreme Court was bound to accept in Stenberg under the clearly erroneous standard. Rather, as the Supreme Court explained in Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. v. Federal Communications Commission, the United States Congress is entitled to reach its own factual findings, findings that the Supreme Court consistently relies upon and accords great deference, and to enact legislation based upon these findings so long as it seeks to pursue a legitimate interest that is within the scope of the Constitution and draws reasonable inferences based upon substantial evidence. That is exactly what we have done in this legislation.
The first section of our legislation contains Congress' extensive factual findings that, based upon extensive medical evidence compiled during congressional hearings, partial-birth abortion poses serious risks to women's health, is never medically indicated, and is outside standard medical care. In fact, the district court's factual findings in Stenberg are inconsistent with the overwhelming weight of authority regarding the safety and medical necessity of partial-birth abortion.
According to the American Medical Association, ``There is no consensus among obstetricians about its use, it
has never been subject to even a minimal amount of normal medical practice development, and it is not in the medical textbooks.'' In addition, no controlled studies of partial-birth abortions have been conducted, nor have any comparative studies been conducted to demonstrate its efficacy compared to other abortion methods.
Leading proponents of partial-birth abortion also acknowledge that it poses additional health risks because of the many difficulties required in that particular procedure. It has even been called a rogue procedure.
Partial-birth abortion is truly a national tragedy. Fortunately, the American people and the President recognize the horrors of partial- birth abortion and are waiting for Congress to again take action. On March 13, 2003, the other body passed virtually identical legislation by a 64 to 33 vote.
I urge my colleagues to support our bill and help end this barbaric and inhumane practice once and for all in this country. It is now time for us to pass this legislation. I feel confident that we will do so today.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding time to me.
Mr. Speaker, we have heard the allegation that this is about politics. This is about protecting innocent, unborn, little human beings who cannot defend themselves, and so, under this Supreme Court decision, it is necessary for Congress to take action. We believe that this bill does pass constitutional muster.
We have also heard that these are generally seriously flawed pregnancies. We have heard earlier this afternoon time and time again that these were rare, and that they were done basically because there was a baby that was in jeopardy.
The New York Times in a recent article dated April 22, not exactly a bastion of conservative newspapers, said, ``One aspect of the debate about partial-birth abortion has changed. When it began, some opponents of the ban,'' in other words, those on the other side of the aisle who are in favor of continuing to allow it in this country, ``said the targeted form of abortion was used only when a fetus had extreme abnormalities or the mother's health was endangered by pregnancy. Now both sides acknowledge that abortions done late in the second trimester, no matter how they are conducted, are most often performed on healthy pregnancies.''
So there are some times when these are pregnancies that are in jeopardy, but overall the statistics now show that these are healthy mothers, that these are healthy babies. That is the bulk of the partial-birth abortions that are performed in this country. It is not about politics. It is about protecting those innocent human lives. And we have already heard the other side, again, who clearly stated in their own words, they were lying through their teeth when they indicated that these abortions are rare.
Most of the experts say there are anywhere from 2,200 to 5,000 of these performed in this country every single year. These are lives that have a right to be born and they are destroyed. It is exactly as the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Pitts) said, this is murder, is what it amounts to. We need to protect these babies.
Mr. Speaker, make no mistake about it, the Greenwood- Hoyer substitute is not a real ban at all. It is a giant loophole that allows partial-birth abortions and third-trimester abortions on demand. The substitute contains no definition of ``viable.'' It imposes no objective criteria that would bind an abortionist. An abortionist has unconstrained discretion to define and declare whether or not any given child is deemed to be viable.
If Members vote for this substitute, they might as well vote against the
ban on partial-birth abortion. Why do so many Members want to ban this horrific procedure? I have never seen one. I would venture to say nobody in this room has probably seen one before, but one person did. Brenda Schaefer who was a registered nurse for Dr. Martin Haskell, the physician in Dayton, Ohio, who is credited with developing this horrible practice.
She describes it as follows: ``Dr. Haskell went in with forceps and grabbed the baby's legs and pulled them down into the birth canal, and then he delivered the baby's body and the arms, everything except the head. The doctor kept the head just inside the uterus. The baby's little fingers were clasping and unclasping, and his little feet were kicking. Then the doctor stuck the scissors in the back of his head, and the baby's arms jerked out like a startle reaction, like a flinch, like a baby does when he thinks he is falling. The doctor opened up the scissors, stuck a high-powered suction tube into the opening and sucked the baby's brains out. Now the baby went completely limp. He cut the umbilical cord and delivered the placenta. He threw the baby in a pan along with the placenta and the instruments he had just used. I saw the baby moved in the pan. I asked another nurse, and she said it was just reflexes. That baby boy had the most perfect, angelic face I think I have ever seen in my life.''
That is what Brenda Schaefer witnessed with her own eyes, and that is why so many of us want to pass this today, and pass it in a form that will really mean something; and that means passing it without this phony ban, without this substitute.
Mr. Speaker, if Members vote for this substitute, they might as well vote against the bill.
Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Green). (Mr. GREEN of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.) Mr. Speaker, I yield 4…
Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Green).
(Mr. GREEN of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Conyers), the ranking member of the Committee on the Judiciary.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, today we have a very bad combination, a combination of Members of Congress who want to play doctor and Members of Congress who want to play Supreme Court. When you put the two together, you have a prescription for some very bad medicine for the women in this country.
We have been through this debate often enough to know that you will not find the term ``partial-birth abortion'' in any medical textbook. There are procedures that you will find in medical textbooks, but the authors of this legislation would prefer to use the language of propaganda rather than the language of medical science. This bill is so vague that it could be read to prohibit many common procedures used during the second trimester. This, the Supreme Court has said, Congress may not constitutionally do.
The bill as written fails every test the Supreme Court has laid down for constitutional regulation of abortion. It reads almost as if the authors went through the Supreme Court's controlling decision in Stenberg v. Carhart and went out of their way to thumb their noses at the Court. Unless the authors think that when the Court has made repeated and clear statements over the years of what the Constitution requires in this area, they were just pulling our leg, this bill has to be considered facially unconstitutional.
In addition, in just one example of an obnoxious clause, the bill allows the husband of a woman who seeks an abortion to sue her and her doctor if the husband did not consent to the procedure. This would include a husband who had abused the woman, punched her causing massive damage to the fetus, deserted her, and then allow him to realize a huge windfall after she is left alone to deal with the consequences of his wrongdoing.
This is the position of people who call themselves pro-life? It is an obscenity and people who support it should not be proud.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly said any restriction on the right to choose must have a clear exception to preserve the life and health of a woman at any stage of pregnancy.
The bill lacks an exception for the health of the woman. I know that some of my colleagues do not like the constitutional rule that has been in place and reaffirmed by the Court for 30 years; but that is the supreme law of the land, and no amount of rhetoric, even if written into legislation, will change that. Even the Ashcroft Justice Department in its brief defending an Ohio statute before the Court has acknowledged that a health exception is required by law.
The sponsors say that findings in the bill to the effect that so- called partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary will satisfy the constitutional requirement of a health exception to any limitation on the right to choose an abortion. But while the Court has made clear that it now requires Congress to support our legislation with findings of fact and that the Court has arrogated to itself the right to decide whether the facts established are sufficient to establish that the legislation is appropriate and proportionate to the evil to be remedied in order to render the legislation constitutional, that is an affirmative requirement within the power of Congress to legislate.
It is not. The Court has said the opposite. The Court has not said where Congress has no power to legislate, such as abortion regulation, without an exception for the health of the woman, that findings of fact can expand the power to legislate. The fact requirement is established by the Court as a limitation on Congress, not as an expansion of the power of Congress.
Whatever deference the Court may have shown to Congress's fact findings, the Court has made clear it is the final arbiter of the fact, not Congress, even if we put so-called fact findings in the bill. I do not like that anymore than other Members of the House, but there you have it; and frankly, the contention that the findings in this bill negate the necessity for the health exception to make this constitutional is laughable, and I do not believe any Member who knows anything about constitutional law can seriously and honestly suggest anything other than that.
While I realize many of the proponents of this bill view all abortion as tantamount to infanticide, that is not a mainstream view. The proponents of this bill are attempting to foist a marginal view on the general public by characterizing it as having to do with abortions involving healthy fetuses that are already viable. But, of course, the definition in this bill will go into second trimester abortions also.
If they really wanted to deal with post-viability abortions and situations in which a woman's life and health are not in jeopardy, then let them write a bill dealing with late-term abortions. We already have such laws in 40 Sates, and they would not find much opposition, if any opposition, to that. But it is clear that the majority is not interested in a bill that could pass into law and naturally be upheld as constitutional. What they want is simply an inflammatory piece of rhetoric to start undermining the political support of Roe v. Wade. The real purpose of this bill is not, as we have been told, to save babies, but to save elections.
We now have a President who has expressed a willingness to sign this bill. He may in fact get his chance.
Perhaps here in the Halls of Congress the health of women takes a back seat to the most extreme views of the anti-choice movement. Perhaps the President does not care about the health of women. We will find that out, perhaps.
Let us hope that this administration does not get the opportunity to pack the Supreme Court with fanatics who are also indifferent to the lives and health of women. Until then, fortunately, the Constitution still serves as a bulwark against dangerous, malicious, destructive, and misogynistic particular bills like this one. I am thankful for that.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Lowey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Colorado (Ms. DeGette).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from California (Mrs. Capps).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman makes the comments about an inhumane form of abortion, but of course, the fact is the gentleman would not support any form of abortion. He does not care that one form is more or less humane than the others. That is why this bill makes no sense at all.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Maloney).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
(Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from New York (Mr. Meeks).
(Mr. MEEKS of New York asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, how much time do I have remaining?
Mr. Speaker, I thought I had 3 minutes remaining.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time to close.
Mr. Speaker, two key points to be made. One, if the real purpose of this bill is to ban late-term abortions with all the gruesome descriptions we have heard, you could do it very simply by including a health and life exception for the mother as the Supreme Court requires. No one would oppose it. We have such laws in 40 States.
That is not the goal here. The goal is a propaganda goal.
Second point, the declaration by the majority here that they can get around the health exception requirement of the Supreme Court by saying, by a legislative finding that such a procedure is never necessary for the health of the mother runs into the observation by Justice Clarence Thomas in a different context that ``if Congress 'could make a statute constitutional simply by finding that black is white or freedom, slavery, judicial review would be an elaborate farce.' What if Congress, in the aftermath of Brown versus Board of Education found that segregated schools could be equal after all?''
With reference to Ruth Marcus' column in The Washington Post, from which I just quoted, this morning she points out that Judge Posner, a distinguished conservative appeals court judge, said the purpose of this statute is that they are concerned with making a statement in an ongoing war for public opinion. The statement is that fetal life is more valuable than women's health.
That is the real purpose of this bill, not to protect babies, not to save lives, but to undermine Roe v. Wade, to undermine a woman's right to choose and to declare that fetal life is more sacred than the life of the existing woman.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes. Mr. Speaker, first, let us stipulate, I hope, that no one on this floor is pro-abortion any more than George Bush is pro-war. I supported President Bush, and I…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 6 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, first, let us stipulate, I hope, that no one on this floor is pro-abortion any more than George Bush is pro-war. I supported President Bush, and I am not pro-war. There are times, though, when the health of the mother, her life, and, yes, her psychological health require and dictate, and the Supreme Court has upheld her right to seek, the termination of a pregnancy.
I do not believe that anyone here truly believes in his or her heart that abortion is a desired outcome to a woman's pregnancy. And I think, Mr. Speaker, without question, that this belief is even stronger when an abortion is obtained in the late stages of pregnancy. Yet the authors of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act cannot escape the indisputable fact that their legislation would not prevent one late- term abortion or, I suggest, any other abortion at any other time, period. Not simply because the legislation they offer is undoubtedly unconstitutional, but also because there are alternative ways to terminate a pregnancy.
If my colleagues' interpretation of their legislation is that it precludes all types of termination of pregnancy, then they ought to state it as such. If, however, as they state, it is simply the elimination of a procedure, with admittedly alternative procedures available, then it does not prevent any abortion.
Mr. Speaker, on an issue of this magnitude, an issue that is fraught with emotion, that is susceptible to demagoguery and that requires us to balance a woman's right to personal autonomy with the rights of an unborn fetus, this House should seize what common ground exists.
Common ground, we do not find common ground in this House very often. We ought to find it on this issue. That is precisely what this bipartisan substitute, the Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act would do.
In short, this substitute addresses the very heart of the matter in this contentious debate, the termination of viable fetuses in the late stages of pregnancy. Unlike the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, this bill focuses on when abortions are performed rather than how they are performed. It would ban all late-term abortions. Hear me: It would ban all late-term abortions constitutionally. That is to say, the Supreme Court has articulated exceptions that must be in legislation; specifically, protection of the life of the mother and the health of the mother. Thus, this substitute comports with the constitutional requirements articulated in Stenberg v. Carhart.
Recall that the Court in Stenberg struck down a Nebraska law prescribing partial-birth abortions because it, one, lacked the requisite exceptions, and two, impermissibly placed an undue burden upon a woman's right to choose. It is evident that where the Late-Term Abortion Restriction Act is constitutional, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, which deliberately excludes an exception for the health of the mother, is not.
The authors of the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act recognize the constitutional infirmity of their bill and thus seek to alter the facts upon which Stenberg was decided. Specifically, they reject the court's findings that partial-birth abortion may in some circumstances be the safest abortion procedure, and they state that partial-birth abortion is never necessary. But let me read to my distinguished friend a justice that I do not usually support the opinion of. In this case I think he is absolutely correct.
Justice Clarence Thomas, in a different context, says if Congress ``could make a statute constitutional simply by finding that black is white or freedom, slavery, judicial review would be an elaborate farce.'' It is not an elaborate farce and, therefore, we cannot simply state that this is constitutional or this is not necessary. That will be subject to proof and the Court's determination.
I urge my colleagues to vote for this substitute, which resembles the law in 41 States of the Nation, including the
chairman's State and my own. Let us not be driven further apart by our differences, but seize what common ground exists in this daunting debate.
I would tell my friend that our statute is not a criminal statute. If my friend will read it, it is a civil statute, a civil penalty, and, therefore, the burden of proof would be much less. And I say that in this context: If the doctor is a charlatan, if the doctor is not going to follow the law, no matter what we pass will make no difference. However, it will make a difference in the final analysis because the court, the jury, the finder of fact and the finder of the law will in fact be able to make a determination that there was not the risk of serious adverse health consequences to the mother and, therefore, in that instance, a late-term abortion was not appropriate.
I am not for late-term abortion except in an instance where the life of the mother must be saved or serious health care consequences must be avoided. But let me say this. Not all of my colleagues, some are, I think, intellectually consistent, but some give credence to an exception for abortion if it results from rape or incest. That, of course, is a psychological exception not a physical exception.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Moran).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Texas (Mr. Edwards).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
I ask this because I believe it is the nub of the debate. Does the gentleman from Georgia believe there is a procedure to terminate a pregnancy that is more humane or more appropriate than the partial- birth abortion?
Do you believe there is a procedure that is more humane or more acceptable than partial birth for the termination of a pregnancy?
Reclaiming my time, and obviously I do not have more time, I wish I had more time because this is an important debate. My question to you is, A; let me ask you this, yes or no, if you can. Do you believe the only way to terminate an abortion is late-term, the procedure referred to in this bill?
In late term than this? Is that correct?
In late term, this is the only way to terminate a pregnancy?
In which case, reclaiming my time, the child would not be live; am I correct?
You believe that that is more humane.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Mrs. Tauscher).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 30 seconds to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, the AMA opposes this bill. The Organization of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, you heard their statement. We are speaking past one another and we are not speaking to the American public.
Your bill is unconstitutional. You know it. You tried in 17 or 18 pages to restore it. You cannot do it, because you do not include what the Supreme Court requires, protecting the health of the mother.
Our bill is constitutional, and, except for the premise that you make that
doctors are charlatans and will not be held accountable for breaking this law, which has to be proved only by a preponderance of the evidence, you say this law does nothing. In fact, it is the only statute on this floor which will preclude abortions at late-term being performed by any procedure; by any procedure.
Now, I tried to get the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) to respond. He would not respond. Why would he not respond? Because my friend, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde), for whom I have unrestrained respect, believes the termination of a pregnancy, the taking of a life of a fetus, is wrong, however you do it. He is shaking his head affirmatively. That is an intellectually honest position. I respect it.
Partial-birth as described is an awful procedure. Abortion is an awful procedure. I accept that. And I personally oppose late-term abortions. When I am accused of being for abortion on demand at the 8th month, 29th day, I am not. We ought to protect those lives. But we have to balance it. That is what the Court says, that is what the Constitution of the United States says.
Support the Greenwood-Hoyer alternative. It is the only legislation that will be effective in trying to make some sense of this issue that so vexes America.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to yield 15 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer) for the purposes of control. Mr.…
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to yield 15 minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer) for the purposes of control.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Debates as the one we are having today always focus on the differences between us; and there are, in fact, differences between us.
We who offer this substitute amendment believe that the 90 percent of abortions that occur in the first trimester of pregnancy should be private and legal. The proponents of this bill do not. We believe that the 99.6 percent of all abortions performed in the country that are not affected by this legislation at all should be private and legal. They do not.
But there are points of agreement. We all believe that abortions that might be performed post-viability, that are not done to protect the life or preserve the health of the woman, should be illegal. We agree on that; and now let us see which of these bills, theirs or ours, actually accomplishes this goal.
Proponents of the underlying bill claim that their legislation will stop a particular type of abortion. They are wrong. It will not.
Thirty-one States have passed this legislation and the United States Supreme Court in the famous case of Stenberg v. Carhart deemed those bills, which are essentially identical to this bill, unconstitutional; and fundamentally, they said that what was wrong with those bills was that they made no exceptions for when the woman's health was a serious issue. Our substitute, not the underlying bill, complies with the Court's requirement that there must be a health exception.
Secondly, proponents claim that they want this dilation and extraction procedure, which is what it is actually called, they say it is being performed on healthy women. Yet their bill makes no exceptions for sick women. We have heard over and over again this procedure is done on healthy women with healthy babies. Then put a bill in, as we have, that talks about making the procedure illegal for women who are healthy, but allows it for those who are sick and need it.
Third, the proponents of this legislation claim that they want to eliminate late-term abortions. Yet their bill fails to accomplish this not once, but twice. First, it does not limit itself to post-viability pregnancies, late-term abortions; but it reaches way back into the early second trimester. Secondly, it fails to ban post-viability abortions by other means, as has been said repeatedly. So women who seek post-viability abortions for important medical reasons, who would be denied access to dilation and extraction procedures under this legislation, would still be perfectly free to use other, albeit more dangerous, procedures.
Our substitute bill bans all post-viability abortions by any means, not just one means but all means, unless the woman has a serious medical reason for needing that procedure. Our substitute substitutes policy for politics, and I urge its passage.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 30 seconds, and our theme song is ``We Trust the Women of America to Do What Is Right.''
But to respond to my friend, the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary, who argued that our health exception is too broad and allows loopholes. Their response is to have no health exception whatsoever. If the issue here is that we want to make sure that this procedure is only used where health requirements demand it, then we should be working together to create a very tight health exception not eliminating one entirely.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman Illinois (Mr. Kirk).
(Mr. KIRK asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I would state that the gentlewoman from Pennsylvania (Ms. Hart) indicated that the people of this country are calling for this kind of a law. In the three States where this has been on a referendum, it has been defeated in each case.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Mrs. Johnson).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1\1/2\ minutes.
Mr. Speaker, the previous speaker used very good words. Unfortunately, the bill that he advocates will not ban the procedure he abhors. Our amendment will.
The previous speaker talked about the broadness of our health exception. If the proponents of this legislation wanted to make sure that no healthy woman could ever get a late-term abortion, they would be advocating legislation that would require a second doctor's opinion, a clearly defined definition or list of medical conditions. That is what they would be doing if they were serious about that. But because they are opposed to abortion under any circumstances virtually at all, they cannot go there.
Now, they are very good at describing the gruesome details of abortion. Let us talk about the gruesome realities that sometimes make abortion necessary.
In March 1995, Tammy Watts from Arizona and her husband Mitch made the agonizing decision to end a wanted pregnancy at 28 weeks gestation. It would have been their first child. The fetus, however, had extensive, ultimately lethal, anomalies related to a genetic condition known as trisomy-13.
The Watts daughter, which they had already named McKenzie, was missing chambers in her heart, her brain was severely damaged and her skull had not formed in the back. Her liver and kidneys were oversized and already failing irreparably. Her bowel, bladder and intestines were formed on the outside of her body and had grown into a non-functioning mass of tissues. Doctors also told the couple that Tammy's health was at risk from a continued pregnancy, especially if the baby died in utero.
They decided to terminate the pregnancy, and Tammy and Mitchell were able to conceive again and announced the birth of their daughter, Savannah Whitnee, last July.
These are the realities that American women confront with their physicians, and that is why, in cases where their life or their health is at risk, this is none of our business and we do not belong in this decision.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Mrs. Johnson).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, why are we here? Are we here because we are about to vote on a piece of legislation that will become law? No, we are not. It will not. It has been abundantly clear. The Supreme Court has voted on this issue. It has nullified every identical state law, and, as sure as God made little green apples, if this bill goes to the United States Supreme Court, by a vote of 5 to 4 it will be discarded.
So we have engaged in a political issue. I know what the political issue is. The political issue is to try to make those of us who are pro-choice appear to be extreme. Good politics, lousy use of this Chamber. It is a lousy use of this Chamber.
If Members who propose this legislation were serious about limiting late-term abortions and joining us in that effort, what would they do? They would help us create a tight, tight law that makes it clear that healthy women with healthy fetuses cannot get late-term abortions. We would all be in agreement. We would get something done.
We would make sure all of this talk of a loophole big enough we can drive a truck through would be gone. We would settle that.
But they cannot go in because they do not believe in a woman's right to choose at all, so they cannot craft reasonable legislation that would take care of the late-term issue. They cannot do that. So all they can do is go to the extreme, create the most exaggerated circumstances, and point to the most gruesome photographs and drawings.
I submit that this is an exercise in futility and urge Members to support the Greenwood-Hoyer-Johnson substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I oppose this legislation, not because of political ideology, not because I believe my wife, my two sisters, and my three daughters should have the right to decide when to bring a child…
Mr. Speaker, I oppose this legislation, not because of political ideology, not because I believe my wife, my two sisters, and my three daughters should have the right to decide when to bring a child into this world, but because I read the bill. I researched the history and I understand the real issues involved here.
Unfortunately, H.R. 760, the so-called partial-birth abortion ban and, again, partial-birth abortion is not a medical term, distorts the issue. H.R. 760 is a broadly written piece of legislation that would outlaw some of the safest and most common abortion procedures and makes no exception to preserve a woman's health or her fertility.
There are other so-called facts in this bill that are not supported by medical research. Contained in the bill, it is written that the procedure is never necessary to preserve the health of the woman. The key word here is never necessary. Well, I say ask Vikki Stella, a diabetic who, after examining all other options with her doctor, made a decision, along with her husband, to terminate her pregnancy of a much- wanted son. Vikki's option to choose this procedure was believed to be the safest and most appropriate, leaving her the opportunity to live a healthy life with her husband and two young daughters, as well as the opportunity to bear the son that they later gave birth to, Nicholas.
This bill distorts the truth and politicizes a constitutional right of all women in this country. And the in rulings of Roe, Casey and Stenberg by the Supreme Court, the Court stated that every abortion restriction must contain a health exception that allows an abortion when necessary in appropriate medical judgment for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.
This bill does not do it. I ask my colleagues to vote ``no'' on this bill in its present form.
Mr. Speaker, I come before this body with two purposes in mind. First, to discuss the demons I battled as I came to a conclusion regarding my position on the legislation before us today. Secondly, to hopefully educate those listening and watching this debate taking place before us.
As I sat in my office yesterday evening confronting my long-held beliefs and realizing the possible collision that my surfacing position on this issue may have with my political ideology, I chose to delve deep into the heart of the issue and question my beliefs regarding abortion that I had never questioned before. As I further focused over the legality and morality of ending a pregnancy, the rights of a woman, and the rights of an unborn child pre-viability and post-viability, I came to the decision to oppose this legislation. No, not to oppose it because of political ideology. No, not to oppose it because I believe my wife, two sisters, and three daughters should have a right to decide when to bring a child into the world. But because, I read the bill, I researched the history, and I came to terms with the real issue. Unfortunately, H.R. 760, the so-called Partial Birth Abortion Ban of 2003 distorts the real issue--preventing members in this body and constituents throughout the nation from truly understanding what is at stake.
H.R. 760 is a broadly written piece of legislation that would outlaw some of the safest and most common abortion procedures, and it makes no exception to preserve a woman's health or future fertility. As the supporters of this bill incorrectly label the procedure of dilation and extraction, commonly known as D & X, but for the purposes of this bill as partial birth abortion, they vividly describe a procedure that they wish to ban in 2000 was found constitutional in the Supreme Court case Stenberg v. Carhart.
First, I will address the manner in which this legislation describes the fetus as a child. Medical journals describe the object in the womb of the mother as a fetus until fully delivered. And I, like many of you, not being a member of society who holds accredited medical credentials must follow the standards put forth by the medical society. The proponents of the bill truly attempt to be creative in its attempts to have readers of the language imagine an actual child going through this procedure. It almost worked on me, but that is when I looked closer at the language and focused on Section 2, subsection 5 of the legislation. There, contained in the bill, it is written that the procedure ``is never necessary to preserve the health of a woman.'' And here is where H.R. 760 further distorts the truth. They key phrase here is never necessary. Well, this all depends on what one values as a necessity. Yes, one procedure could have an advantage over another in certain cases. Where one doctor may prefer dilation and evacuation, commonly known as D & E, which involves a doctor inserting an instrument into a woman's womb and dismembering the fetus, because it is the safest procedure to ensure the woman's life and health, that same doctor may choose D & X for another patient because it is the safest and most appropriate procedure for that particular patient to ensure the woman's life and health. Unlike the proponents of this bill, I will stand on this House floor today and admit that sometimes this gruesome procedure is a necessity for some women. For example, it was the only option for Vikki Stella--a diabetic who, after examining all other options with her doctor, made the decision along with her husband to terminate her pregnancy of her much-wanted son. Vicki's option to choose this procedure was believed to be the safest and most appropriate--leaving her the opportunity to live a healthy life with her husband and two young daughters--as well as the opportunity to bear the son she later gave birth to, Nicholas.
My colleagues, this bill distorts the truth and politicizes a constitutional right of all women in this country. Incorrectly labeling the procedure and overriding the ruling of the Supreme Court as reaffirmed by the majority in Stenberg that a woman's health must be the paramount consideration, women across the nation are being denied their constitutional right. As a result of the ruling by the Supreme Court, every abortion restriction must contain a health exception that allows an abortion when ``necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.'' H.R. 760 does not do this. And for this reason, I find the so-called Partial Birth Abortion Ban of 2003 unconstitutional and unworthy of my support, the support of my colleagues, and the support of the people of this great Nation. I ask my colleagues to vote against this bill in its present form.
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 257 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 257 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentlewoman
from New York (Ms. Slaughter), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
(Mrs. MYRICK asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday the Committee on Rules met and granted a modified closed rule for the partial-birth abortion ban of 2003. This rule makes in order an amendment offered by the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Greenwood) and the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer). While I personally oppose this amendment, the Committee on Rules is allowing for fair and open debate on this amendment.
H.R. 760 makes it illegal in the United States for a physician to perform a partial-birth abortion. As an original cosponsor of this legislation, I am very pleased to see it finally reach the floor of the House of Representatives. I also believe that President Bush deserves the opportunity to put an end to this horrific act of human violence by signing this legislation into law. I also want to thank my colleagues on the other side of the Rotunda for passing this important legislation.
I must tell my colleagues as a mother and grandmother, it is astonishing to me that this is still even legal in the United States today, but it is. And as we will no doubt hear on the floor today, it is practiced all too often in this country.
Partial-birth abortion is a procedure where a pregnant woman's cervix is forcefully dilated over a 3-day time period, and the vast majority of partial-birth abortions are performed on healthy babies and healthy mothers.
Although language banning this procedure has been struck down in the past by the Supreme Court, this new legislation has been tailored to address the Court's concerns. The five-Justice majority in Stenberg v. Carhart thought that Nebraska's definition of ``partial-birth abortion'' was vague and could be construed to cover not only abortions in which the baby is mostly delivered alive before being killed, but also the more common dilation and evacuation, or D&E method.
H.R. 760 defines partial-birth abortion as an abortion in which ``the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that the person knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus.''
The tighter definition not only clarifies the procedure so that the Court will not reject it; it also draws attention to the violence of partial-birth abortion by describing how far out the baby can be. I am pleased that we are bringing this to the floor again today.
We have changed the bill, adding findings of fact to overcome constitutional barriers; and I am confident that it will survive judicial review.
Mr. Speaker, the American people want this bill in overwhelming numbers, believing in their hearts that we as a Nation are better than this. We are a better people. To that end I urge my colleagues to support the rule and the underlying bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Ros-Lehtinen).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Alabama (Mr. Aderholt).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Pence).
(Mr. PENCE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Turner).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Michigan (Mrs. Miller).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Oklahoma (Mr. Sullivan).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Colorado (Mrs. Musgrave).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder), another member of the Committee on Rules.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Kennedy).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Shuster).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Ferguson).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Kansas (Mr. Ryun).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to put into the record something that is stated in a recent New York Times article, because we keep hearing that these are babies that have extreme abnormalities. And I quote from the article, ``One aspect of the debate has changed. When it began, some opponents of the ban said the targeted form of abortion was used only when a fetus had extreme abnormalities or a mother's health was endangered by pregnancy. Now both sides acknowledge that abortions done late in the second trimester, no matter how they are conducted, are most often performed to end healthy pregnancies because the woman arrived relatively late to her decision to abort.''
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Burgess).
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question on the resolution.
The previous question was ordered.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me time and I congratulate him on his extraordinary leadership on this issue. Mr. Speaker, I first would like to respond to my colleague on the other…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me time and I congratulate him on his extraordinary leadership on this issue.
Mr. Speaker, I first would like to respond to my colleague on the other side of the aisle who referenced an article in the New York Times. I would like to place into the Record the
Times editorial from today, not only the New York Times editorial but the Washington Post editorial, both of which strongly came out against the Republican bill before us today.
The bill is extreme, it is vicious, mean-spirited, antiwoman, and it is unconstitutional.
We have heard a great deal of graphic rhetoric from the majority party today. But let me tell you what we have not heard and that is their true agenda, which is to roll back, chip away at a woman's right to choose. That is what this debate is about. That is totally what it is about. And since the Republican majority came to Congress in 1994, I have kept a score card on their antichoice votes. Today marks their 202nd vote against a woman's right to choose. It is on my Web site.
Mr. Speaker, I ask my colleagues today to stand in defense of a woman's reproductive health and to vote against this bill which deprives women of safe, quality medical care at a time when they need it most. The right to choose is meaningless without the access to choose. And this bill is so broadly written that it would, in effect, undermine a woman's legal right to abortion in this country.
When I go home, my constituents ask me about many things, but believe me, they have never asked me to be their doctor, nor do they want Members of Congress to be making medical decisions. It is unprecedented. It is wrong. It is unconstitutional. Vote against this Republican bill.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this bill. Again, we are facing a bill that deprives women of safe, high quality medical care at a time when they need it most. And yet again, this bill places undue burden on a woman's right to seek an abortion.
Let's put this bill in perspective. Since the majority party took power in 1994, I've kept a scorecard. This is their 202nd strike against reproductive rights, and you can check the list at any website www.house.gov/Maloney.
Language similar to this bill has already been struck down in Stenberg v. Carhart on the grounds that it fails to take the health of the woman into account.
What this bill is about is the right to choose. The bill is extreme, it's vicious, and it's unconstitutional. The Supreme Court, The New York Times and the Washington Post agree, and I ask permission to place a copy of the Times and Post editorials in the Record.
The fact is that this bill says it's banning intact dilation and extraction, a procedure acknowledged by the experts, the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, as safe to end late-term pregnancy--when it's necessary. The opposition shows horrible pictures and yells about how grotesque this procedure is. It is, but so are lots of medical procedures. But they're still good care. This bill flatly disrespects medical opinion.
My constituents ask my opinion on important things--like low income women asking where their child tax credit went; like the Federal Communications Commission's ruling to consolidate access to news in the hands of a few. That's important, that's dangerous. But, I gotta tell you, not one of my constituents has asked me to be their doctor!
The Supreme Court has said that neither the Court nor Congress may ban a medical procedure appropriate to save the woman's life and health. Period
The blatant disregard for this fact and for the rights of women to choose is astonishing. I urge you all to vote ``no'' on this measure.
[From the New York Times, June 4, 2003]
``Partial Birth'' Mendacity, Again
If the so-called partial-birth abortion ban now careering
toward almost certain approval by the full House this week
has a decidedly familiar ring, it is not your imagination
playing tricks. The trickery here belongs to the measure's
sponsors.
Although promoted as narrowly focused on a single late-term
abortion procedure, the measure's wording adds up to a
sweeping prohibition that would, in effect, overturn Roe v.
Wade by criminalizing the most common procedures used after
the first trimester, but well before fetal viability. Indeed,
the measure replicates the key defects that led the Supreme
Court to reject a strikingly9 similar state law a mere three
years ago. In addition to its deceptively broad sweep, the
bill unconstitutionally omits an exception to protect the
health of the woman.
Plainly, the measure's backers are counting on the public
not to read the fine print. Their strategy is to curtail
access to abortion further as the inevitable legal challenge
wends its way back to the Supreme Court for another showdown.
They obviously hope that by that time, there will have been a
personnel change that will shift the outcome their way.
House members who vote for this bill will be participating
in a cynical exercise that disrespects the rule of law and
women's health while threatening the fundamental right of
women to make their own childbearing decisions.
Representatives who care about such things will not go along.
Mr. Speaker, if there is one frivolous late-term abortion in America, in my book that is one too many. But this bill is a false promise for two reasons. First, it is clearly unconstitutional, since…
Mr. Speaker, if there is one frivolous late-term abortion in America, in my book that is one too many. But this bill is a false promise for two reasons.
First, it is clearly unconstitutional, since it has no health exception for the mother. Passing an unconstitutional bill will not save one child. That is a fact.
Second, supporters of this bill have misled the American people to think the bill outlaws late-term abortions. It does not. The truth is, this bill focuses on prohibiting one type of late-term abortion while keeping perfectly legal other types of late-term abortion procedures.
Let me state a fact that is going to surprise many Americans who have been misled regarding this bill. The truth is, this partial-birth abortion bill will allow late-term abortions to remain legal. Supporters of this bill have never really honestly answered this question. If they really believe a woman is a monster and wants to abort a late-term fetus for absolutely frivolous reasons, then why are Members just banning one procedure? That will just let her tell the doctor to use another procedure. They have not saved one child and they know it.
Perhaps the real answer to that question, Mr. Speaker, lies in the statement of Ralph Reed, who said several years ago that this partial- birth abortion bill is a silver political bullet. This bill is about sound-bite politics and campaign attack ads, not saving babies.
In contrast, 16 years ago as a Texas State senator I worked with pro- choice and pro-life groups to pass a constitutional bill that did not ban one late-term abortion procedure; we banned in 1987 all late-term abortion procedures. Then we worked with those groups in good faith, put in a constitutionally mandated health exception. We knew that health exception was necessary 16 years ago, and they know it is necessary today.
I think it is a shame that the House leadership has put politics above policy. I hope some people will wake up to recognize that had that not been the case, we could have passed a ban on all late-term abortion procedures in this Congress and it would have been signed into law 8 years ago. Instead, we are voting today on a false promise.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, let me ask and I would like to have an honest debate on this. I appreciate what the gentleman has said. He has been very honest and straightforward about outlining one procedure and not two others.
My question is, if we assume a mother is going to take a perfectly healthy baby later term and have that child aborted for frivolous reasons, why would she not go and use one of the other two procedures? What babies have you saved?
Mr. Speaker, I support the Hoyer-Greenwood amendment for two reasons. First, this amendment makes illegal all late-term abortion procedures, unlike the underlying bill that only outlaws one late-term abortion procedure while, amazingly, allowing all other late-term abortion procedures to be left perfectly legal.
Second, passing an unconstitutional bill is not going to save one child's life. Not one. We know what the Supreme Court decision has said. It said it June 28 of 2000. The Supreme Court said, even in italics, that if you do not have a health exception, the bill will not become law. To put it in italics by the Supreme Court makes it about as clear as we can make the English language be.
I find it, Mr. Speaker, amazing that those who say their goal, and I trust their convictions, is to save babies' lives, why would you not want to ban all late-term abortions? If you assume these women are such monsters that just seconds before a perfectly healthy childbirth they would want to kill that baby, then I guess you could also assume very understandably she would just ask the doctor to use one of the other late-term abortion procedures.
Sixteen years ago, as a member of the Texas Senate, I was not interested in sound bites or partisanship. I was interested in banning all late-term abortion procedures, because no matter how a baby dies, if he dies frivolously late term, that is morally wrong in my book. But we knew then what we know today and that is, if you tonight have a health exception, your bill will not be law.
I ask once again, to the supporters of this bill, the question that has never been answered. If you assume a woman wants to kill a baby in the last seconds before a normal childbirth, why are you allowing her to do that under your bill just using other procedures?
This bill is a false promise. Vote for the Hoyer-Greenwood amendment and we can stop all late-term abortion procedures.
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Mr. Speaker, I thank the Committee on Rules for making this amendment in order. This is a very important issue because it involves the balancing of conflicting rights, the right of the fetus and the…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the Committee on Rules for making this amendment in order. This is a very important issue because it involves the balancing of conflicting rights, the right of the fetus and the right of the mother; and it is because balancing rights is the very hardest thing a democracy has to do that this is a constitutional issue. It ought to matter to the proponents that every single State law has been found wanting and been overturned because it does not balance these rights fairly. It does not allow the mother, the woman, to consider her health; but the system can only consider her life and every court has overturned every single State law for this constitutional deficiency.
Some Members wonder why I am so passionate about this subject. I can tell Members it is not because I am pro-abortion. I oppose abortion. I do not like abortion. But my husband trained as an obstetrician and gynecologist in this country when abortion was illegal.
I do not know what song, Henry, you would like to have on your side, but I wonder what song you would sing to this family. My husband stood by the bedside of a woman, the mother of five children with her husband sitting there weeping as she died of an aseptic abortion because abortions were not legal and she could not get the care she desperately sought. But she and her husband, in accord with their beliefs and conscience, had sought a very early termination to preserve their ability to parent their five children.
And, yes, he saw a beautiful young woman, 22 years old, single, die of an aseptic abortion.
This bill, because it is so broad, will have such a chilling effect on the availability of abortions that there will be many forced to go back alley and will die as a consequence. I think that matters. I think there is a balance of competing rights here. That is why the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology said D&X may be the best and most appropriate procedure in a particular circumstance to save the life or preserve the health of a mother. A particular circumstance. We do not know that circumstance. We will not be in the operating room when that circumstance comes up, and yet we are going to tell the physician you cannot do this.
Do Members know what the physician might do instead that would be perfectly legal? He can do a hysterectomy. He will have taken care of what he considers to be a life-threatening situation without running the risk of suit, which we are putting on him now; without running the risk of jail time, which we are putting on him now. This is not in the interest of the woman's life or her health.
In my substitute, we take a very evenhanded approach. We balance the rights, we allow the exception for life and serious adverse health consequences. This is not lighthearted, and I think it is a slap at all women that anyone would put out that out of fear of open space, that that would represent an adverse impact on your health. That is ridiculous and it is demeaning to women. But in certain situations you need to be able to consider health as well as life. Our amendment is evenhanded. It bans all forms of abortion after viability and all procedures equally.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to correct the record to some extent. It was said that the case examples that I gave would have been covered under the underlying bill. I want to make clear that they would not have been covered, because those women were dying of the infections caused by being forced to get back-alley abortions under unsterile circumstances. If they had been allowed to be in a hospital and get the legal treatments that are available under our law, they would not have gotten the infection and they would not have died. But this underlying bill denies them that right because its definition is so broad. It reaches way down to fairly early decisions to terminate. So I do not accept that those women's lives would be saved under the underlying bill.
I also regret that one of my colleagues, a very skilled colleague who himself has a lot of experience, maintained that there were no other techniques other than late-term abortions that could be used. There are other techniques that are just as harsh, they look just as bad on a poster, and the underlying bill does not ban them.
Mr. Speaker, I support the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans partial-birth abortions unless they are necessary to save a mother's life. Partial birth abortion is a gruesome and inhumane…
Mr. Speaker, I support the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act, which bans partial-birth abortions unless they are necessary to save a mother's life. Partial birth abortion is a gruesome and inhumane procedure.
The American Medical Association has stated that partial-birth abortion is ``not an accepted medical practice,'' is ``ethically wrong,'' and is ``never the only appropriate procedure.''
A recent survey of abortion providers estimated that 2,200 partial birth abortions were performed in 2000. Most of these abortions are performed in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy. Infants then are usually viable--that is, if they are born premature at this stage, they are born alive and usually enjoy long lives. This makes the procedure even more disturbing.
The Senate recently passed this legislation and the American public overwhelmingly supports this ban. A poll this year found that 70 percent of those asked favored a law to make partial birth abortions illegal except in cases where needed to save the life of the mother.
This bill is the same text that the House passed last year. Congress has twice approved a ban on partial-birth abortions, but both times the bills were vetoed by President Clinton. Hopefully, this time, because President Bush supports the ban, we will be successful in implementing a new policy.
Ms. ROS-LEHTINEN, Mr. Speaker, this critical legislation would prohibit physicians from
performing partial-birth abortions, a horrific and heinous procedure.
Mr. Speaker, there is overwhelming evidence that shows that partial- birth abortion is not medically necessary to preserve the health of the woman, but rather poses serious consequences to her health.
Even organizations such as the AMA have said that this procedure is ``not good medicine'' and is not medically necessary.
Partial-birth abortion is a gruesome and inhumane procedure in which the child is forcibly pulled from the mother, with only the head remaining inside the cervical canal. The head of the child is then punctured at the base of the skull, and the brain is removed with a powerful vacuum. This is a barbaric act that is a grave attack against human dignity and justice, and it must be banned. Life is a gift, and it must be embraced and respected at all stages.
In a country which espouses the importance of protecting the inherent rights of every person, partial-birth abortion denies the rights of our most innocent and vulnerable members, our children. We, as legislators, must strive to uphold the truths upon which our great Nation was founded, especially that every individual is entitled to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Partial-birth abortion is not a sign that women are ``free to choose.'' It is a sign that women have been abandoned. They have not had the support and care that they so desperately need. Rather, abortion is the only option offered. There is increasing evidence that abortion causes extreme emotional and psychological damage. It has been determined that many abortions occur later in pregnancy when women do not want an abortion at all, but rather feel pressure to hid their pregnancy from their boyfriends or parents.
We must strive to ensure that each and every person is guaranteed the most basic human rights, the right to life. Women deserve better than to endure the physical and emotional pain and suffering associated with partial-birth abortion, and children deserve the chance to live.
I ardently support efforts to protect the dignity of women and children. As women, we have a unique role in society, to nurture and protect that dignity. Such dignity is only possible if it is promoted on every level.
It is time for partial-birth abortion to stop. We must have the courage and the strength to fight against the greatest of all human rights violations--partial-birth abortion. Women deserve better than abortion. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of H.R. 760 the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban. A vote for the ban is a vote for life.
Mr. Speaker, like many Americans, I am greatly concerned about abortion. Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age. The lack of respect for life that permits…
Mr. Speaker, like many Americans, I am greatly concerned about abortion. Abortion on demand is no doubt the most serious sociopolitical problem of our age. The lack of respect for life that permits abortion significantly contributes to our violent culture and our careless attitude toward liberty. As an obstetrician, I know that partial birth abortion is never a necessary medical procedure. It is a gruesome, uncivilized solution to a social problem.
Whether a civilized society treats human life with dignity or contempt determines the outcome of that civilization. Reaffirming the importance of the sanctity of life is crucial for the continuation of a civilized society. There is already strong evidence that we are indeed on the slippery slope toward euthanasia and human experimentation. Although the real problem lies within the hearts and minds of the people, the legal problems of protecting life stem from the ill-advised Roe v. Wade ruling, a ruling that constitutionally should never have occurred.
The best solution, of course, is not now available to us. That would be a Supreme Court that recognizes that for all criminal laws, the several states retain jurisdiction. Something that Congress can do is remove the issue from the jurisdiction of the lower federal courts, so that states can deal with the problems surrounding abortion, thus helping to reverse some of the impact of Roe v. Wade.
Unfortunately, H.R. 760 takes a different approach, one that is not only constitutionally flawed, but flawed in principle, as well. Though I will vote to ban the horrible partial-birth abortion procedure, I fear that the language used in this bill does not further the pro-life cause, but rather cements fallacious principles into both our culture and legal system.
For example, 14G in the ``Findings'' section of this bill states, ``. . . such a prohibition [upon the partial-birth abortion procedure] will draw a bright line that clearly distinguishes abortion and infanticide . . .'' The question I pose in response is this: Is not the fact that life begins at conception the main tenet advanced by the pro-life community? By stating that we draw a ``bright line'' between abortion and infanticide, I fear that we simply reinforce the dangerous idea underlying Roe v. Wade, which is the belief that we as human beings can determine which members of the human family are ``expendable,'' and which are not.
Another problem with this bill is its citation of the interstate commerce clause as a justification for a federal law banning partial- birth abortion. This greatly stretches the definition of interstate commerce. The abuse of both the interstate commerce clause and the general welfare clause is precisely the reason our Federal Government no longer conforms to constitutional dictates but, instead, balloons out of control in its growth and scope. H.R. 760 inadvertently justifies federal government
intervention into every medical procedure through the gross distortion of the interstate commerce clause.
H.R. 760 also depends heavily upon a ``distinction'' made by the Court in both Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which establishes that a child within the womb is not protected under law, but one outside of the womb is. By depending upon this illogical ``distinction,'' I fear that H.R. 760, as I stated before, ingrains the principles of Roe v. Wade into our justice system, rather than refutes them as it should.
Despite its severe flaws, this bill nonetheless has the possibility of saving innocent human life, and I will vote in favor of it. I fear, though, that when the pro-life community uses the arguments of the opposing side to advance its agenda, it does more harm than good.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong opposition to the ongoing campaign to undermine the constitutionally established right to privacy, which threatens women's access to safe and comprehensive…
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in strong opposition to the ongoing campaign to undermine the constitutionally established right to privacy, which threatens women's access to safe and comprehensive reproductive healthcare. The latest attack on these rights is H.R. 760, The Partial Birth Abortion Ban of 2003. The proponents of this legislation have consistently used vague language and shock tactics in an attempt to undermine the basic
tenets of the Supreme Court's decisions in Roe v. Wade and Stenberg v. Carhart.
In 1973, the Supreme Court handed down its decision, Roe v. Wade, which gave women a constitutionally protected right to an abortion. The Court allows a state to ban abortions after fetal viability (the point at which a fetus may survive independent of a woman, but not independent of technology), but only if the state provides exceptions for the protection of a woman's life and health. In 2000, in the case of Stenberg v. Carhart, the Court struck down a Nebraska ban on partial birth abortions because it did not contain an exception for the protection of the health of the woman, and utilized a vague definition of which procedures would be banned.
Disregarding 30 years of established Supreme Court precedent, the Partial Birth Abortion Ban of 2003 contains the same flaws as the ban ruled unconstitutional in Stenberg v. Carhart.
H.R. 760 fails to provide an exception to protect the health of the mother. Rather, this legislation presumes that the authors' findings overrule those of the Supreme Court. The very text of this bill audaciously promotes ignoring the Supreme Court ruling in Stenberg v. Carhart.
The definition of the banned procedure in H.R. 760 is vague and could be interpreted to prohibit some of the safest and most common abortion procedures that are used before viability during the 2nd trimester. This legislation could have been written using precise, medical terms, and exemptions for procedures that are used pre-viability. However, the bill's unclear definition reveals the broad anti-choice agenda that this bill promotes.
The Supreme Court's decisions have clearly, and correctly protected a woman's right to make personal, and sometimes difficult decisions regarding her reproductive health. In addition to a legal obligation established by the Supreme Court, we have a moral and ethical obligation to protect the health of the mother. Every woman deserves the honest, accurate, professional advice of her doctor, a right that is endangered by H.R. 760. There is no place for Congress in the very private relationship between doctor and patient.
Furthermore, this ban is opposed by many groups of healthcare professionals who take their responsibility to preserve the health of their patients very seriously. These organizations include: the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Nurses Association (ANA), and the California Medical Association (CMA).
Let me assure you that I grappled with the issue of partial birth abortion and determined that this procedure should be used only when medically necessary to protect the life and health of the mother. My decision to oppose legislation banning this procedure was based on my personal conversations with one of my constituents who faced this terrible situation and relied on the medical judgment of her doctor to make the only medically sound decision that preserved her ability to have children in the future.
I urge all of my colleagues to oppose H.R. 760 and vote against this harmful and unconstitutional legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I very much appreciate the gentleman yielding me this time. As I looked at this situation, there were two things that jumped out at me that cried to be answered. One of them was, as I…
Mr. Speaker, I very much appreciate the gentleman yielding me this time.
As I looked at this situation, there were two things that jumped out at me that cried to be answered. One of them was, as I thumbed through the Washington, D.C., phone book, I came across, by accident, ``Abortion Services.''
And we talk about viability, there is ad after ad after ad in there, multiple pages, that advertise they will provide abortions up to 24 weeks. It is in print, it is standard practice, and that is past that point of viability that has been talked about here.
It is chilling to see that, for someone who comes from the Middle West where we do not have such a thing. There is nothing in any phone books that I have seen in the Middle West. But it shocked me.
Another issue, as I sat in the Committee on the Judiciary and listened to remarks, and I am going to speak specifically to the remarks that were made by the gentleman from New York who said that we were cynical about this, that we simply wanted to ban partial-birth abortion for political reasons and that 41 States have banned late-term abortions, and that if we were serious, we would just go forward and do that. And that is what this amendment seeks to do. I rise in opposition to this substitute for that reason, because we know why it would not be effective and why it would gut this bill.
I am not a lawyer. I grew up in a cornfield and rode out on a bulldozer, but I can tell you I know this much about law. How did we get here to this point? I do not think anybody has referenced it now, and that is the case in 1965, Griswold v. Connecticut, right to privacy, when Connecticut outlawed contraceptives and the Supreme Court ruled that the State of Connecticut had no business getting into the privacy of the family and, therefore, found their law that outlawed contraceptives unconstitutional. That is the foundation for right to privacy.
Just a few years later, 8 years later, along came Roe v. Wade. That was the piece that said, well, that right to privacy extends to the woman's womb and in our declaration where it defines life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, those rights are prioritized except that the right of the liberty of the pregnant female takes priority over the life of the unborn. And then Roe v. Wade, of course, outlawed, though it did not make an exception for, late-term post-viability abortions.
But same day, concurrent decision, Doe v. Bolton gave that definition that I think we have heard that addresses the health of the mother. It does not prohibit any abortion if in the medical judgment of the attending physician the abortion is necessary to preserve the life of the woman or to avert serious adverse health consequences to the woman, a hole you could drive a truck through. That is also what this amendment seeks to do, and that is another reason that I oppose it.
Planned Parenthood v. Casey reaffirmed Roe v. Wade. That is what it looks like to this fellow who did not go to law school, but does read the cases and that precedent of right to privacy takes us to the floor of this House Chamber tonight to debate something that would be a chilling concept to us if we had been confronted with that in the environment when we were children.
And so Stenberg v. Carhart. I will just say this, it is a ghastly, ghoulish, gruesome procedure and that child is one inch from screaming for its own mercy. If ultrasound could hear the silent scream, we would not be in this debate tonight.
Mr. Speaker, after commemorating the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade just 6 months ago, we are reminded again today that the fight to preserve a woman's right to…
Mr. Speaker, after commemorating the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court's decision in Roe v. Wade just 6 months ago, we are reminded again today that the fight to preserve a woman's right to choose is far from over. We are here today considering a ban on so- called partial-birth abortions for the ninth time in 8 years because the proponents of this bill disagree with the Supreme Court. They want to overturn Roe v. Wade and Stenberg v. Carhart and go back to the days when women had no options, when they left the country or died in back alleys.
In reflecting on the long debate over this bill starting in 1995, I was struck by something Sandra Day O'Connor said on CNN recently. Justice O'Connor said that she was drawn to the law because she saw the role it plays in shaping our society. ``I don't think law often leads society,'' she said. ``It really is a statement of society's beliefs in a way.''
The proponents of this bill and I would likely agree with Justice O'Connor, except I believe that Roe v. Wade continues to express our society's beliefs, and they do not. Roe said that the decision to terminate a pregnancy is private and personal and should be made by a woman and her family without undue interference from the government. I, and the American people, still believe that. Supporters of the bill do not.
Roe and Stenberg said that a woman must never be forced to sacrifice her life or damage her health in order to bring a pregnancy to term. The woman's life and health must come first and be protected throughout pregnancy. I and the American people still believe that. Supporters of the bill do not.
Roe and Stenberg said that determinations about viability and health risks must be made for each woman by her physician. A blanket government decree about medicine is irresponsible and dangerous. I and the American people still believe that. Supporters of the bill do not.
The supporters of H.R. 760 disagree with the Court's reflection of our society and reject the principles embodied in its decisions. Holding their opinion is their right. Disregarding the Constitution is wrong.
The Supreme Court's decisions in Roe v. Wade and Stenberg v. Carhart rested on precedent, including Marbury v. Madison, decided 200 years ago this year. Marbury was critically important to the development of our democracy because it established the Supreme Court as the final and ultimate authority on what the Constitution means.
In 1803, the Supreme Court became in fact, not just on paper, an equal partner in government, co-equal with the executive and the legislature. But in 2003, this Congress has decided to ignore the Court. The Court made clear that a partial-birth abortion ban was extreme and dangerous because it limited safe options for women and failed to protect the health of women.
Yet the bill before us contains no protection for the health of the woman, leaves no role for the physician treating a woman, and never mentions fetal viability. Congress ignores women, families, doctors and the Supreme Court, and makes all the decisions.
Congress is wrong to pass this ban and the President would be wrong to sign it. I urge my colleagues to respect the law of the land, support American values in Roe v. Wade, Stenberg v. Carhart, leave decisions in the hands of families, protect the health of women. Please vote against this bill.
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the chairman bringing this bill to the floor. Mr. Speaker, as I have watched the debate, and it has been a good debate, what I have heard from the proponents of the…
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the chairman bringing this bill to the floor.
Mr. Speaker, as I have watched the debate, and it has been a good debate, what I have heard from the proponents of the substitute are two factors.
One is that this is unconstitutional, theirs is constitutional, and they have made a decision for the courts. I did not come to the House to make a decision for the courts. I came to the House to pass very strong, important legislation and then to fight in the courts for my position. I do not let the courts decide what direction I go. I do not make those decisions in this Chamber. If Members want to make decisions for the courts, then go down to the White House and get a nomination from the President.
The second is that their amendment will end late-term abortions, as if they are more pro-life than the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde). It is amazing to me. If we took this substitute and put it out here freestanding as a bill, which we may get the opportunity to do, they would vote against it and their outside groups, their pro-abortion groups and pro-choice groups, would be rallying outside these doors against their substitute.
So, Mr. Speaker, we have, though, a chance today to make the world a little less cruel for the defenseless. Opponents of this bill have condemned it to the top of their lungs, but we will not mistake volume for veracity. Despite the howls of extremism, all this bill really says is that even in this violent world, we can still tell the difference between right and wrong. We can still recognize that the inhumanity of this procedure has no place in a moral society. We can still recoil at brutality.
We should set aside the politics for a moment and just close our eyes and try to imagine what it is we are talking about. Think of the grip of the doctor's hand, like a vice, pulling a frightened baby, pulling on a frightened baby's legs out of the womb and into the world. Think of the frantic wriggling of that little body in that gloved hand. Think of that moment of pure terror when those sanitized scissors puncture the baby's neck. Then ask yourself, is this the best that we can do for unborn children, however unwanted; for pregnant women, however desperate; for the American people, however divided?
How can anyone think so? After all, women do not ask for partial- birth abortions. No, its violence is unleashed for the convenience of the doctor, not the health of the patient. Women who undergo the procedure run the risk of infection, future pregnancy difficulties, and infertility. Yet its defenders tell us that this cruel, dangerous, and medically unnecessary procedure is essential to the well-being of American women.
Mr. Speaker, it is just not true, but it is an untruth we will not have to bear or hear again after today. After 8 long years and many partial-birth abortions, Congress will finally send the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003 to a President who is willing to sign it.
When he does, abortion will still be with us. The debate over the rights of the unborn will continue and new battles will be fought. But in the meantime, in the meantime, the American people will take this one stand, this one stand on behalf of the innocent, to tame the savageness of man and to make gentle the life of this world.
Take that stand with them now. Vote against this substitute and vote for the bill.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the Hoyer/ Greenwood/Johnson substitute, the Late Term Abortion Restriction Act, and in opposition to the underlying bill. In June 2000, in Stenberg v.…
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the Hoyer/ Greenwood/Johnson substitute, the Late Term Abortion Restriction Act, and in opposition to the underlying bill.
In June 2000, in Stenberg v. Carhart, the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated a Nebraska statute that ostensibly prohibited ``partial- birth'' abortions. The court based its decision on two determinations: (1) the statute lacked any exception for the preservation of a woman's health; (2) the statute placed an ``undue burden'' on the right to choose abortion because its vague definition of ``partial birth'' abortion could cover multiple procedures, at any time during a pregnancy, regardless of viability. Due to these determinations, the court found the Nebraska statute unconstitutional.
Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, however, indicated that if changes were made in the legislation to address these concerns, restrictions on late-term abortions could be found constitutional. Unfortunately, the authors of H.R. 760, the underlying bill, failed to follow the outline by Justice O'Connor.
The legislation I support, the Hoyer/Greenwood/Johnson substitute, is a bipartisan effort that meets the Supreme Court's criteria. This substitute would ban all abortions after fetal viability, allowing an exception to protect the life or health of the mother. This bill did not eliminate a particular procedure; it would prohibit all late-term post-viability abortions by whatever method or procedure.
Most people, even those who oppose abortion, would make allowances for pregnancies as a result of rape or incest. There is no doubt that a young girl who becomes pregnant as the result of rape or incest can medically carry the pregnancy to term. However, many of us would say that that young girl should have the option to terminate that pregnancy as a means to safeguard emotional well-being--that is an argument in favor of recognizing the traumatic impact of a pregnancy due to rape or incest.
Some would argue that the pregnancy could be terminated earlier. We would hope so. However, the psychiatric and sociological record is replete with scientific and anecdotal evidence that even in the most supportive environments, girls who are victims of rape and incest are reluctant to reveal their abuse, leaving them vulnerable to emotional and mental breakdown, self-destructive behavior, and, in the worst case, unrecognized or unacknowledged pregnancies up until the last trimester. Only the Hoyer/Greenwood/Johnson substitute would adequately address this serious issue.
While this has been a difficult issue, I must oppose H.R. 760. This bill does not recognize the constitutionality issues raised by the Supreme Court. It does not contain an exception for a woman's health, nor does it adequately define ``partial birth'' abortion in such a way as to address the issue of ``undue burden.'' I am confident that if this bill is signed into law, the Supreme Court would strike it down.
As a Member of the U.S. Congress, I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I will not betray that oath. Now that the Supreme Court has determined the constitutional parameters for a partial-birth abortion ban in the Stenberg case, I must adhere to that decision and cannot vote for a bill that is blatantly unconstitutional. H.R. 760 does not comply with the Court's decision.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, I was just thinking, an idle mind, I guess crazy thoughts go through your head. I was thinking of theme songs, and I was…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, I was just thinking, an idle mind, I guess crazy thoughts go through your head. I was thinking of theme songs, and I was thinking for the pro-life people, ``People Who Need People Are the Luckiest People in the World.'' I think it is a great theme song for us, and I am trying to think of a funeral dirge that would fit the so- called pro-choice people, but I cannot.
My good friend, the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler), said this is designed to undermine Roe v. Wade. Not at all. This is designed to say there ought to be civilized limits on the exercise of the abortion license. With 1.5 million abortions a year, one would think somebody would look at that and say, what can we do to stem that tide.
We are talking about human life. We are talking about death. We are talking about abortion, which does not terminate a pregnancy, it exterminates a pregnancy. And we are talking about a particularly hideous, gruesome form of abortion called partial-birth abortion.
Yesterday, we decided that flags were not for burning. I hope today we decide that little infants are not for killing. Partial-birth abortion is exactly what the pro-choice late Senator from New York said it is: infanticide.
The substitute offered by my friend from Maryland is a tactical maneuver in the ongoing war between the quality-of-life people, who think if you cannot have a decent quality of life, life is not worth living; and the sanctity-of-life people over here who think every life is important and has intrinsic value.
The victim is a nearly-delivered baby, four-fifths delivered out of the birth canal. The doctor takes a Metzenbaum scissor, jams it in the neck of the little baby, sucks out the brains and collapses the skull. How can we defend a process that we would not impose on a laboratory dog or a hamster? Cruel? Can we understand the pain that that little one must feel? Oh, my colleagues might deny it, but the medical texts are clear, absolutely.
The law exists to protect the weak from the strong. I cannot think of anything weaker than a little baby, a little nearly born infant, with little legs flailing, little arms flailing waiting for the knife to hit him in the back. The people we pretend to defend, the powerless, those who cannot escape, who cannot rise up in the streets, those are the ones that ought to be protected by the law. The law exists to protect the weak from the strong.
Let me just say this: The great Horace Mann said something interesting. He said, ``You ought to be ashamed to die unless you have achieved some victory for mankind.'' Well, I think if we can put partial-birth abortion into the torture chamber, where it belongs, and get rid of it, that may not be a major victory, but it will be a victory for humanity. I want to be on that side.
Mr. Speaker, my name was not taken in vain. The gentlewoman is incapable of taking a name in vain.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to say that it is tragic that that woman died from a bungled abortion; but every abortion is lethal and fatal to the baby, so that is a greater tragedy in my opinion.
By the way, I thought of the theme song for the pro-choice people, ``Mahler's Tenth.'' You ought to hear it. It will really make you feel sad.
Mr. Speaker and collagues, I rise to voice my opposition to H.R. 760, the so-called Partial Birth Abortion Ban. This is a bill that immediately provokes strong feelings on both sides of the abortion…
Mr. Speaker and collagues, I rise to voice my opposition to H.R. 760, the so-called Partial Birth Abortion Ban.
This is a bill that immediately provokes strong feelings on both sides of the abortion issue. No one is in favor of abortion. I am not in favor of abortion, and in Congress, I am focused on making abortions less and less necessary.
However, in a few situations each year, the procedure that this bill seeks to ban is necessary to protect the life or the health of the mother--or because of multiple abnormalities of the fetus, making viability virtually impossible.
A woman, in this situation, has the constitutional right to an abortion, and there is a wealth of credible medical evidence that this procedure in some instances is much safer than other available procedures. H.R. 760 seeks to criminalize these safe, legal, and rare abortion procedures.
A major problem with this bill is its name. The term, ``partial birth,'' is not a medical term. There is no medical definition of a ``partial birth'' abortion. It is a loaded, political term made up by the anti-choice movement to inflame the debate. It is not helpful to an enlightened discussion of this issue.
In addition, as I have said, the bill is unconstitutional. In 2000, the Supreme Court found Nebraska's ``partial-birth'' abortion ban unconstitutional in Carhart v. Stenberg because it prevented a women's constitutional right to choose by banning safet abortion procedures and because it lacked the constitutionally-required exception to protect women's health. The Court noted that ``the absence of a health exception will place women at an unnecessary risk of tragic health consequences''. These flaws are also present in H.R. 760.
This bill definitely endangers women's health. Doctors will be forced to choose between providing care that is safe for their patients and going to jail. Despite repeated opportunities, anti-choice lawmakers refuse to include in their bills an exception to protect women's health.
Finally, a majority of Americans agree that government has no place in private medical decisions that need to be made by a woman, her family, and her physician. Politicians should not be legislating medical care. H.R. 760 is an unprecedented intrustion into the doctor- patient relationship.
This bill is opposed by a large number of respected medical and health organizations such as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Medical Women's Association, the American Nurses Association, and the American Public Health Association, and the American Medical Association has withdrawn its support of these bans.
As difficult as this vote may be, there is no way to vote for H.R. 760. A vote for this bill would be a vote for legislation that is unconstitutional, that allows government to intervene in personal and private decisions, and that provides no protections for women's health.
Mr. Speaker, I want the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde) to know that he is still my hero, and with a gentle heart, I rise in opposition to the position he outlined. Mr. Speaker, our goal is to end…
Mr. Speaker, I want the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Hyde) to know that he is still my hero, and with a gentle heart, I rise in opposition to the position he outlined.
Mr. Speaker, our goal is to end late-term abortions, and therefore, we must pass legislation that will be upheld by the Supreme Court. If we are to save babies, then we must do it effectively. When the underlying bill passes the House today, it will sit for 2 years while lower courts enjoin it, the Supreme Court reviews it and eventually declares it unconstitutional. So what is our goal, to end late-term abortions or to make a political statement?
The Supreme Court of the United States clearly indicated in Stenberg that any law prohibiting late-term abortions ``requires that the statute include a health exception from the majority holding.'' H.R. 760 does not include a health exception and goes far to declare that the procedure is ``never medically necessary.'' We are setting Congress up for a defeat at the hands of our highest Court, rendering the action we take today totally ineffective and the current law permitting late- term abortions unchanged.
I was not elected to Congress as a medical doctor and do not intend to tie the hands of physicians who should have the right to discuss all available options with their patients. Are Congressmen competent to regularly vote now on common medical procedures as never medically necessary? If we set this massive precedent to declare what a physician can and cannot do in their medical judgment, we give an awesome power to future Presidents and Congresses that will not share our gentle philosophy or our calm responsibility. Congressmen cannot suddenly declare they have medical degrees and are board certified to practice medicine. If my wife and I were faced with this dilemma, I would certainly hope that our physician was not hamstrung by distant Congressmen in Washington.
I urge my colleagues to support the Greenwood substitute, which effectively bans late-term abortions. To do otherwise only serves the interest of pressure groups and lawyers that will make a killing as the Supreme Court strikes down the underlying bill. The Court in Stenberg gives us a clear direction. While the underlying bill cannot survive in the Supreme Court, the substitute offered by the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Greenwood) does.
I oppose late-term abortions and will support effective measures to change the law and make the ban effective. Unlike H.R. 760, the Greenwood substitute bans late-term abortions in a way the Supreme Court will sustain. Passage of the Greenwood substitute would mean a quick end to litigation and a rapid change in U.S. law.
Failure to pass the substitute means continuing litigation and defeat at the hands of the Supreme Court.
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[H. Res. 257 Engrossed in House (EH)]
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
June 4, 2003.
Resolved, That upon the adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to
consider in the House the bill (H.R. 760) to prohibit the procedure commonly
known as partial-birth abortion. The bill shall be considered as read for
amendment. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and
on any amendment thereto to final passage without intervening motion except: (1)
one hour of debate on the bill equally divided and controlled by the chairman
and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary; (2) the amendment
printed in the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, if
offered by Representative Greenwood of Pennsylvania or his designee, which shall
be in order without intervention of any point of order, shall be considered as
read, and shall be separately debatable for one hour equally divided and
controlled by the proponent and an opponent; and (3) one motion to recommit with
or without instructions.
Sec. 2. After passage of H.R. 760, it shall be in order to take from the
Speaker's table S. 3 and to consider the Senate bill in the House. It shall be
in order to move to strike all after the enacting clause of the Senate bill and
to insert in lieu thereof the provisions of H.R. 760 as passed by the House. All
points of order against that motion are waived.
Attest:
Clerk.