Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 4227) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend to 2005 the alternative minimum tax relief available in 2003 and 2004 and to index such relief for inflation.
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The House Committee on Rules reported an original measure, H. Rept. 108-477, by Mr. Linder.
May 4, 2004
Rule provides for consideration of H.R. 4227 with 1 hour of general debate. Previous question shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion to recommit with or without instructions. Measure will be considered read. A specified amendment is in order.
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Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 172.
May 4, 2004
Considered as privileged matter. (consideration: CR H2555-2561)
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DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 619.
May 5, 2004 • 10:38 AM
On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 220 - 201 (Roll no. 142). (text: CR H2559-2560)
May 5, 2004 • 11:40 AM
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On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote. (text: CR H2555-2556)
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Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
May 5, 2004 • 11:40 AM
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 619, I call up the bill (H.R. 4227) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend to 2005 the alternative minimum tax relief available in 2003 and…
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 619, I call up the bill (H.R. 4227) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to extend to 2005 the alternative minimum tax relief available in 2003 and 2004 and to index such relief for inflation, and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, today the House will consider one of the most important bills from the standpoint of tax equity that we will consider this year, the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act, a bill to make sure that the tax cuts which allowed middle-class families to keep more of their income over the past 3 years will not be undermined by the Alternative Minimum Tax.
There is little dispute, certainly none outside of this Chamber, that the Republican tax cuts helped families cope with economic uncertainties and played a significant role in stimulating the economic growth that we are seeing today. But if we do not act now to give the taxpayers another year of reprieve, the AMT will suddenly reappear and 11 million taxpayers will be hit with an average tax increase of $1,520.
Mr. Speaker, by preventing middle-class Americans from claiming their rightful exceptions from tax liability, the AMT punishes families with children or those who live in high tax localities. If we do not act, married couples will see their AMT exceptions snap back from a threshold of $58,000 to $45,000. Single individuals will see their AMT exception drop from $40,250 to $33,750.
Mr. Speaker, let us be clear about this. These are not wealthy people. These are middle-class Americans who would be slapped with a steep tax hike that they would not know about until tax day, when they learn that the tax exemptions that they thought they could take, the same tax exemptions we intended for them to take and told them we were giving them, would no longer apply.
For example, a family of four with a household income of $58,000 would, in 2005, be hit with the AMT. I am sure that no one here would seriously argue that that family is wealthy.
Today, the House has the opportunity, indeed, the duty, to extend AMT relief for 1 year and to ensure that middle-class Americans are not faced with an increase in their tax liability; and we must do this without raising taxes someplace else and stifling growth and killing jobs.
Mr. Speaker, this is an important measure to buy us time to truly reform the AMT and, as I hope, to repeal this regressive tax entirely. I have taken it upon myself to work with a number of colleagues, including the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. McCrery), a fellow member of the Committee on Ways and Means, to form a Zero AMT Caucus. We will have our day; but in order to get there, we need to pass this bill today on behalf of working families.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
Mr. Speaker, I note that this issue has come up repeatedly before the Committee on Ways and Means. The Committee on Ways and Means has repeatedly worked its will on this issue and it has made very clear that it is committed to this kind of exemption. The Committee on Ways and Means is clearly in the loop in this.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Crane), a distinguished member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the distinguished gentleman from Florida (Mr. Shaw), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, it is a great privilege for me to yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons), the prime sponsor of this legislation and a real advocate for middle-class taxpayers.
(Mr. SIMMONS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds just to say to the gentleman what is fairly clear and Chairman Greenspan recently indicated to us before the Joint Economic
Committee that the tax cuts are working as a tonic for the economy. Clearly they are helping us to expand our tax base and move back toward a balanced budget, and that is fairly clear.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Sam Johnson), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I first yield myself 15 seconds to thank the gentleman from New York for his presentation. It was very thoughtful. I want to associate myself with his remarks. We appreciate his making this debate very bipartisan, and I welcome him to get involved in our Zero AMT Caucus and try to work on a bipartisan basis to deal with this problem.
Mr. Speaker, it is a great privilege for me to yield 5 minutes to another gentleman from New York (Mr. Houghton), who has put an extraordinary amount of time in on this issue, the chairman of the Subcommittee on Oversight of the Committee on Ways and Means, my colleague.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Michigan (Mrs. Miller).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Herger).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Tennessee (Mrs. Blackburn).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from New Hampshire (Mr. Bradley).
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time with the right to close.
I presume, Mr. Speaker, that also means that we cannot mischaracterize them.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
This has been a useful debate because I think in an odd way it has highlighted a couple of things. First of all there is a consensus in this Chamber behind the bill that the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) has put forward. There will be a substitute offered. I will have ample opportunity and grounds to criticize that substitute when it is offered, but for now I think what needs to be emphasized here is that in the end both parties are committed to at least moving forward on this very limited bill. I wish we were doing more today, but the fact is, this is probably the best we could agree on in the gridlock that exists in the institution right now.
I would like to use some of my time to respond to some of the points that were made by the other side. First of all, let us be clear. This bill is not about the war. It is not really about the deficit in the sense that I think it is fairly clear and I would hope people on both sides could agree that we do not need revenue from this source. We can come up with spending cuts, and we can come up with alternative revenue sources to deal with this.
We do not need the revenue applied from applying an AMT that was intended to be applied originally only to a very narrow band of very wealthy taxpayers, applying it to the middle class.
Some strange things have been said here and I would like to respond to them. First of all, this problem was not created by the Republicans. This was created back in 1986 when a tax reform passed when the other body controlled the Chamber, and in all the time that they controlled the Chamber afterward, they did nothing to deal with this problem. In fact, in 1993, they voted to actually increase the burden of the AMT. And we have heard from a number of speakers today who purport to be against the AMT, but actually who voted for that increase.
It has been said by the distinguished gentleman from Washington, my friend, that Republicans do not know what they are doing. I would submit to the Members when this AMT was put in place without any provision for how inflation would move and more taxpayers into AMT status, they knew what they were doing. They wanted the revenue. They wanted to apply a progressively higher tax burden to the American people and use that future revenue in order to justify a higher level of spending and an expansion of the welfare state.
We in this Chamber today are committed to moving forward to making sure that a new heavier tax burden is not applied to taxpayers next year and that next year taxpayers do not face a bait and switch on some of the key provisions that we have passed. That I would submit is really what the Republican Party is all about.
And as for Republican management of the economy, I am proud to associate myself with Republican management of the economy at a time when clearly responsible economists agree the tax policies enacted in this Congress supported by this administration are having the effect of lifting the economy, not as much as I would like right now in my district, but clearly turning around the slowdown that we had experienced that we inherited from the last administration and providing a significant prospect of new jobs and new economic growth and new dynamics that are going to provide opportunities for working families in the coming months. We recognize that we need to do more, and this Congress is clearly committed to doing that. And yet we need to agree at very least today to pass this provision.
I am very proud to support this bill as introduced by the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) that provides some relief to middle class taxpayers, to make sure that they have access to the relief that we promised them so that we can continue to grow the economy, that we can continue to create opportunities, that we can continue to provide some relief to families that have children and that are eligible and should be eligible for the tax credit that we have passed in this Chamber.
This is to me a critical issue of tax equity. We need to be prepared to guarantee to middle class families that they do not face a higher burden because of a stab in the back called the AMT, that they are not hit on tax day
with an unexpected tax burden, that they are not required to recalculate their taxes accordingly. We have an opportunity today to strike a real blow for tax equity for the middle class.
With that, I hope we pass this bill.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise to claim the time in opposition to the amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
This has been a fascinating debate today, and I particularly want to congratulate the gentleman for his contribution. The gentleman from Massachusetts, as with his customary eloquence, has laid out his position, and in the process perhaps subconsciously has drawn a striking contrast between the two parties and perhaps one that he had not intended. He characterizes, first of all, Republican tax relief as maniacal. I think that is an interesting choice of words, but as I look at it, it perhaps I think accurately captures the view on the other side of tax relief and a tax program that is already lifting the economy, that is creating jobs, that is creating opportunities throughout America, including for a lot of people who were not directly the beneficiary of as much tax relief as we would have liked.
Let me say in addition to that, there has been the procedural argument made here that this proposal before us today has not been adequately vetted. Mr. Speaker, to be very clear, this language is similar to what has been included in the tax bill that passed. This kind of language has been many times before the body. We have thoroughly debated within the Committee on Ways and Means the issue of the alternative minimum tax, and it is not clear that additional hearings would have provided a substantive additional agenda.
I am delighted to hear the gentleman come out in favor of full repeal because, as I said to the gentleman from New York earlier in our discussion, I invite the gentleman to join with me and other members of the zero AMT caucus to come together and to work through a proposal to get rid of this AMT.
The substitute that we have now risen to debate, though, was not I think adequately discussed in the gentleman's remarks, and perhaps there is where the contrast is clearest. Because in an effort to, as they put it, pay for the AMT relief that is included in the bill, what they have proposed doing is permanently putting in place an increase of corporate taxes in order to pay for 1-year relief to the individual AMT. That sounds like good politics, but at a time when our economy is struggling, at a time when even people on the other side of the aisle have conceded that corporate tax rates in our country and on our companies and workers are higher than those globally and are a clear competitive disadvantage to our companies who are seeking to keep jobs here in the United States, that the idea of permanently raising corporate taxes is one that I think is striking and I think uniquely ill conceived.
What they have proposed doing is generating revenue through the permanent implementation of something called the economic substance doctrine. Economic substance is a doctrine that our courts apply on a discretionary basis to situations which erode our rules-based tax system.
The substitute attempts to codify this judicial doctrine and expand its definition so the IRS can pick apart any ordinary business transaction and subjectively look for reasonable business purposes. The result is a new requirement for taxpayers to have yet another layer of IRS intervention and be burdened with restrictions in ways that the courts have not even considered. I realize that there are some who have embraced this on the Senate side, but no one on our side of the aisle here in the House of Representatives so far has done so. The result would be a new requirement for taxpayers and another layer of IRS intervention.
The proposal would then propose strict liability penalties on understatements of tax, which would not be limited to abusive transactions. The proposal, in our view, is far too broad and significantly expands common-law doctrines.
There is also no indication that the doctrine would be limited to abusive transactions. While we are currently debating a 1-year extension of tax relief for working families, let me make this clear again: this substitute levies a permanent tax increase on employers and ultimately on the labor of the workers that they employ.
The gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel) has himself indicated support for lower corporate tax rates for our manufacturers in his own bill to replace the FSC/ETI regime. Here his proxy is insisting on raising their taxes by $15 billion.
In addition to a $15 billion tax increase, companies would now have to spend valuable time and resources managing the implications of the law, when they could be using these resources to expand their operations, invest in production lines, and create jobs. Instead, what this proposal effectively does is create jobs only in the legal profession.
Mr. Speaker, the House has voted repeatedly against this tax increase because it is bad tax policy, bad economic policy, and it further hinders
American competitiveness and does so permanently. I think it is fairly clear that what is being attempted here in this substitute is to take something that we really need to do, addressing the problem of the AMT, and attach to it something off of a wish-list from the left, which, frankly, has no place here at a time when we are trying to buoy the economy.
I think it is worth noting that the last time someone really aggressively proposed to raise taxes during a slowdown was Mr. Hoover, so there may even be some Republican genealogy in the proposal we are seeing offered on the other side. But the Republicans of today do not recognize this as a positive thing.
Let me summarize the bill of particulars against the Rangel substitute and specifically the economic substance doctrine.
First of all, it is a permanent tax increase. Although the AMT relief in the Democratic substitute is temporary, the tax increases are permanent.
In addition, the administration strongly opposes codification of the economic substance doctrine. They have looked at it, and they have found it wanting. Acting Treasury Assistant Secretary for Tax Policy, Gregory Jenner, has stated that codifying the economic substance doctrine could be counterproductive, as it would drive tax shelters even further underground. Assistant Secretary Jenner has stated that the most effective way to stop tax shelter transactions is to require increased disclosure. The administration's tax shelter proposal increases disclosure by levying substantial penalties on those who fail to disclose their transactions.
As I have noted, this proposal has been repeatedly rejected in the House, and it would also hurt jobs and investment. Codifying the economic substance doctrine would result in businesses foregoing job- creating investments because of concerns that the IRS would improperly apply the economic substance doctrine to legitimate transactions.
Finally, this proposal goes beyond accepted case law. The Democratic proposal requires that some transactions have at least a risk-free rate of return. This type of provision goes beyond what is required by either the Tax Code or common-law court doctrines. Furthermore, their proposal does not define a risk-free rate of return.
All things being equal, this is a very poor substitute; and we urge its rejection.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 10 seconds to thank the gentleman for his salute to the simplicity of the economic substance doctrine, and we look forward to the vote on the substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Mrs. Johnson), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Foley), my distinguished colleague on the Committee on Ways and Means.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Akin).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from the State of Pennsylvania (Mr. Shuster).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Hayworth), a member of the Committee on Ways and Means (Mr. Hayworth).
Yes.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time, and first of all, thank the gentleman for his contribution and take him up on his offer because we in the Zero AMT Caucus would like to work for permanent resolution of this problem. We would like to see a permanent repeal of the AMT; but unfortunately, in the current political climate, in the current climate of gridlock and recrimination that we have in Washington, nothing more elaborate than the current fix appears to be possible.
Let me say there are a couple of things that I need to correct at the outset.
It was suggested by the gentlewoman from Texas that our bill is a tax increase. It is very hard to understand how she would make that point; but to be clear, this provides critical tax relief for a significant portion of the middle class.
The gentleman from Long Island intimated that there was nothing in this bill to help these people. Well, as a practical matter, a place like Long Island would be one of the biggest beneficiaries of the underlying Republican bill because of the high taxes.
Let me say that the gentleman from Michigan talked about a tax train wreck. I come from a part of the world where we make locomotives, and we recognize their dynamics; and let me say that we recognize that the locomotive that was started, that is threatening, the train wreck was started back when the other party controlled the Chamber and did not deal with an underlying problem by making the AMT responsive to increases in the cost of living.
We have heard procedural arguments from the other side, that the committee has not looked closely enough at this issue; and I reject those because the committee clearly has been tracking this issue from the get-go.
What we have instead is the core issue, which is the substitute being offered today and which, on the other side, they are proposing to dramatically increase the complexity of the Tax Code and also significantly raise corporate taxes on a permanent basis in order to provide temporary tax relief. They congratulate themselves for doing that, but I do not think that they are entitled to a new chapter in ``Profiles in Courage.''
My feeling is that the substitute is inherently a bait-and-switch and increasing taxes at a time when we are experiencing, we are trying to come out of a slow-down. We are, in a sense, embracing Herbert Hoover economics.
I think that the substitute is very ill conceived. It, among other things, imposes a burden on the corporate community at a time when we worry about competitiveness; but that burden is far greater than the one simply indicated by the expected revenue. This is a burden which will permanently change behavior and affect legitimate business transactions. So the rhetoric of the gentleman from North Dakota that this only affects tax cheats is unfortunately not accurate. This is going to be an enormous burden for the corporate sector coming at a most unfortunate time.
Ultimately, I sense that the reason why the folks on the other side have not been as aggressive and certainly in many cases not as aggressive as the gentleman from Massachusetts to deal with this problem is that they want to spend the money. May I suggest, in the end, we get to the solution on reforming the corporate AMT, not by undercutting the tax bill, not by undercutting the tax program which is revitalizing America's economy today, but ultimately by controlling our spending. That is how we will in the context of a growing economy get back to a balanced budget and I think in the long run also have room to deal with this AMT.
Again, I invite our friends on the other side of the aisle to work with us on this issue. We have an opportunity to do this on a bipartisan basis. This is a part of the Tax Code that we agree on, but I think the solution starts today with a rejection of the ill conceived substitute that is being offered
by the other side and passage of the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on that I demand the yeas and nays.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes. Mr. Speaker, this is one of those days when we come out here and try to fix a problem the Republicans created for themselves. Ever since you have been in charge…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 5 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, this is one of those days when we come out here and try to fix a problem the Republicans created for themselves. Ever since you have been in charge of this place, you did not want to have regular order. You wanted to run bills through the committees without having any witnesses come in and talk about them. You would not listen to what people said to you. And now you have a big problem on your hands and you want to come out again today and put one more Band-Aid on a program that you put a Band-Aid on last year, and you will be back next year and next year and next year because you never understood what you were doing.
Now, when this bill went into effect in 1987, it was designed to tax those people who made lots of money and paid not one penny. That is what it was about. It affected .1 percent of the payers in this country. And the same was true even with the adjustments that we made in 1993 when I was here. The numbers were essentially the same, around .2 percent of taxpayers. Today we are looking at 25 percent of the people in this country are having to figure their taxes twice, because the Republicans made all those tax cuts in 1997 and paid absolutely no attention to what was going on.
If you live in a high tax State like New York or like California or like a lot of the progressive States in this country, and you have a couple of kids, you cannot deduct the money you pay in State taxes. You cannot deduct the money you pay in local taxes. You cannot deduct the deductions for your children. That is why it is sweeping down into the middle class. Half of the households who will be paying this tax are making less than $100,000 a year and over a third of them will be paying between 50 and $75,000.
Now, consider we made these great big tax cuts, we gave $112,000 to people making more than a million and we gave $676 to people in the average income range in this country. And then we turn around and slap them with the AMT tax. Most Americans do not know what the AMT is. It is called, for those of you watching this on television including somebody at the White House maybe, alternative minimum tax. It means if you are not paying enough income tax, then you have to pay this alternative.
Now, what has happened because the Republicans messed it up so badly, they have now swept up about a quarter of the taxpayers in the country with it rising to a third if they do not do something about it, and they have done that while they were busily helping their friends at the top who were not paying taxes anyway.
Now, this bill is another, as I say, Band-Aid. We have an alternative which will be offered by one of my colleagues from Massachusetts which solves the problem in a much more reasonable way and gets the middle class out of this tax trap.
Mr. Speaker, the following is an article from the Seattle Post- Intelligencer which describes this whole program.
[From the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 17, 2004]
Get Ready for the Alternative Minimum Tax
(By Mary Deibel)
Few Americans have heard of the alternative minimum tax,
but many taxpayers are about to find out that it's the
biggest financial setback they face, an IRS taxpayer advocate
says.
``Although the AMT was originally enacted to prevent
wealthy taxpayers from avoiding tax liability through the use
of tax avoidance techniques, it now affects substantial
numbers of middle-income taxpayers and will, absent a change
of law, affect more than 30 million taxpayers by 2010,''
taxpayer advocate Nina Olson said in her 508-page annual
report naming this parallel tax system taxpayer enemy No. 1.
Olson should know: State and local taxes pushed her into
the alternative minimum tax last year so now it is personal
as well as professional for her.
And it's about to get personal for lots of other taxpayers,
too. Absent action by Congress and President Bush, one in
four households will owe the alternative minimum tax by 2010.
Some 52 percent of them will be families making $100,000 or
less a year, including 73 percent of households making
$75,000 to $100,000 and 37 percent making $50,000 to $75,000.
Married couples--especially couples with lots of children--
are most apt to be hit by the alternative minimum tax, which
prohibits deductions for dependents along with write-offs for
mortgage interest, state and local taxes, medical expenses
and the like.
``It's a class tax that became a mass tax,'' says Urban
Institute economist Len Burman, who co-authored the study
projecting the future growth of the alternative minimum tax
unless the tax code is changed.
Congress enacted the tax in 1969 after being flooded with
mail protesting reports that 155 ultra-rich Americans gamed
the system to avoid paying a penny toward income tax.
The alternative tax has been on the books since then, never
indexed to inflation the way regular income taxes have been
since 1981.
The tax breaks President Bush and Congress enacted since
2001 expanding child tax credits, ``marriage penalty'' relief
and the like make it more likely taxpayers who try to claim
these write-offs will owe the alternative minimum tax.
The 2003 tax cut contains a temporary provision that will
help many families avoid the alternative minimum tax for just
one year.
Repealing the tax through 2010 would cost the Treasury $600
billion in revenue, according to the non-partisan Tax Policy
Center, a Washington think tank.
Meanwhile, taxpayer advocate Olson says taxpayers who might
owe the alternative minimum tax can expect to pay a higher
tax bill and spend an extra 12 hours preparing their 2003
taxes.
Many won't owe it, but they still must spend the extra
half-day on the paperwork, she says.
Mr. Speaker, the average citizen in this country is not aware what is happening; and the Republicans are out here today, the reason they do not want to have hearings in the committee is it might get on C-SPAN. Some people might find out what was really going on in the tax structure. But, no, we have to come out here, take it up to the Committee on Rules in the middle of the night, slip it down on the floor; and slam, bam, thank you, ma'am, it is out of here in an hour so that people will not know how badly you have messed it up for the middle class.
You have got to put these commercials on that say the middle class have benefited immensely from our tax cuts, and then you run out here to take the pain away that you are creating for them. And in my view, it could all be stopped if you simply would follow the regular order and allow this to be a debate in this House and about the issues that you are changing. To go from .1 percent of the taxpayers to 25 percent of the taxpayers, including people making between 50 and $75,000 without letting people ever, their representatives in the Congress, to have an opportunity to explain that to the American people, is absolutely unacceptable.
We will all vote for this bill, but it is another Band-Aid; and you will be back here next year. I bet you a month of my salary on that.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Lowey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Pascrell).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
The gentleman from Texas talks about this being a sneaky tax sneaking up on people. It is only sneaky because my colleagues would not have hearings. If they would have listened to us when they were passing these tax bills in 1997 and 1998 and 1999 and 2000, we told them over and over again, we offered these changes that were necessary then and it all happens now. They say we snuck up on them.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Engel).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I would say to my distinguished colleague, the gentleman from New York
(Mr. Houghton), we are going to miss the gentleman when he leaves Congress. It will be a loss for all of us. The gentleman said this is a tax that nobody wanted. Well, if we take the Democratic alternative and look at it in the Statement of Congressional Findings and Purposes, and mostly Members blow through these bills and never read that. I have a little bit of time, so I would like to say a few things about it.
In 1986, because of tax preferences on oil and gas depletion and a whole lot of things, there were a number of people in this country who made a lot of money who then could write it all off because they had these preferences on oil and gas exploration and so forth. So there was an agreement in this House to put in an alternative minimum tax, believing that every American ought to pay something. No matter how rich or how poor, we believe that each worker should put something in the pot. Here we had these people at the top who figured out how to get rid of it all. So we put the alternative minimum tax in.
Then came the 1990s and we had tax reform. We got rid of all of those preferences. Even when we did that, we still had less than 1 half of 1 percent of taxpayers who paid this alternative minimum tax. It never became a problem until 1997 when we took away the personal deductions and the deductions for kids, and we suddenly swept up a quarter of the people this year. If we look at the projections, we are going to have three-quarters of the people paying this thing at some point down the road.
We could have fixed it along the way, but most people did not want it in the first place, and so they said let us get rid of it. Those people on the top should not have to pay anything if they can figure out how to get out of it. So we have not fixed it.
I give you a tale of two taxpayers. There is one standing here, and I have a wife who works and the two of us make a nice living. We have good salaries. We do not have any children, and we do not pay the alternative minimum tax. And the other thing is I live in Washington State. We do not have a State income tax. A great State to live in. It wants folks to come and visit, but do not stop there and live. We do not have any problem with the AMT.
Mr. Speaker, I am not arguing for myself. I am arguing for these people behind me who live in the District of Columbia. One has two kids, one has four kids. They have to pay it on staff salaries in the House of Representatives. Tell me where is the fairness in that tax structure? How is it my wife and I benefit tremendously from this system, and we clobber the people in the middle class behind us? That is why we are here today.
Obviously, Republicans realize that the people out there are going to find things out when they do their taxes. They start through the form, and if you have an adjusted gross income of $58,000, you should begin to figure your taxes in a parallel fashion, the regular income tax form, the 1040, and then there is the alternative minimum tax. So there you are at $60,000, $70,000, and you have to figure your taxes twice.
If you ask the IRS, they put out a flyer that says it takes 3 hours and 56 minutes to figure the alternative minimum tax. Now people are filling out their tax forms making $70,000, a lot are not using accountants, that is their time. So we are putting them through the wringer twice to fill out their taxes because you would not listen.
Now this idea that we will repeal the alternative minimum tax, that is nice. That is a great idea. You know who that helps, well, it helps these people behind me a little bit, but it helps the people at the top. Again, it would be a give-away to the people on the top. I understand what the Republican Party is all about. I believe that is what your goal is. That is a major plank in your platform, is no one who has millions of dollars should pay anything, they know how to use their money, we should let them have it and they will invest it and we will have a lot of jobs.
Well, these tax cuts have not worked in the State of Washington. They have not worked in the State of Washington. We have more people unemployed today than we have ever had. It is the highest long-term unemployment we have ever had since the 1950s, and we are still waiting for the recovery. In February, there were 21,000 jobs created, all government jobs. So the tax cuts did not work except for people who had a lot of money. The next month, March, we had 306,000 jobs. Goodie, we are growing.
The fact is that economists say that it takes 250,000 new jobs every month to simply keep up with the growth in the labor force in this country. So 300,000 is just barely replacement, saying nothing about the 3.5 million that we have lost since President Bush has been in office.
This economy has been an absolute disaster for the middle class and the ordinary working people in this country. This tax structure Republicans have created is awful. We will vote for this today. There is no Member who is not going to vote to put a 1-year patch on it, but it is not being fixed. As a Member said, the way things are going, down the way, you are going to have half the people we are going to have to deal with, and at some point it is going to cost a lot of money.
The other side of the aisle would not fix it in 1997. We tried to tell them, but they were too smart and too full of their own ideas and ideology to look at what they were doing to people, and that is why we are here today. We certainly will all vote for it.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
One of the problems here in the House on an issue like this is that it is hard to have a real debate because we do not set it up as a debate. We really are having a bunch of 2-minute speeches, and nobody ever gets to answer anybody back and forth. The gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) is an honorable Member and, I think, is just wrong on this issue. I do not bear him any ill will, but one of the interesting things about this is one of the more recent Members who came out here was the gentleman from California (Mr. Herger). He went on about the fact that the Democratic alternative is going to cost $17 billion. This is a time at which the Republican management of the economy has developed the biggest deficits in a very long time. We are going to have to raise the Federal debt limit again. We are going to have to sell more bonds to the Chinese. We are going to have to sell more bonds around the world to keep our economy afloat than ever before.
The gentleman from California's complaint about the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel) is that the gentleman from New York has come in here and said, you know, I think we ought to pay for this bill. We ought to pay for it. The gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) and his colleagues are not interested in paying for it. They just want to throw it on the credit card, another $17 billion onto their kids and their grandchildren. I just had a grandchild born last August, so for the first time I am really thinking about grandchildren. I used to just think about my kids. But now I am looking two generations down the road. It is no problem for the gentleman from California and the gentleman from Pennsylvania and other Members to say, Hey, throw it to the kids. Let's not pay for it.
You have done that since 1996. The mess we are in is directly related to what you have done. When President Bush took over, we had some kind of surplus, I forget, $200 billion; and we are now going into the hole at least $400 billion or $500 billion every year. When the gentleman from New York comes out here and says I would like to pay for it, he gets criticized. That is called raising taxes. No, it is being fiscally responsible.
The gentleman from New York is no wild-eyed liberal. You think he is, but you have never looked at the proposal he made. He reached over across the hall here into another place and took a provision from the Finance chairman in the United States Senate. The provisions that he put in are offsets that are contained in the provisions of a tax abusive transactions bill from the Senate Finance Committee written by a Senator from over there. I cannot name him. The offsets are not tax increases. They are provisions designed to ensure that corporations cannot use aggressive tax shelter transactions to avoid the taxes they pay.
So the charge that the gentleman from New York is trying to raise taxes is simply misleading, to be very generous. I am sure we will see advertisements going all over, well, you know, the Democrats tried to raise taxes on you another $17 billion, and we stopped them. They are not going to tell you about what it is going to cost your kids and your grandchildren in terms of interest rates and what is going on in this economy.
The first group of offsets that the other body came up with are designed to curtail tax shelters by clarifying the economic substance doctrine. People back home, I am sure their eyes are crossed by now, but some of you people
ought to be thinking about it. Increased reporting and penalty provisions. The economic substance doctrine is a rule of law that denies artificial losses or other tax benefits from transactions that have no business purpose or profit motive. It is the usual shenanigans of tax attorneys. Even a Republican in the other body thinks that ain't right. But, no, people over here say, oh, no, we can't do that, we can't tighten up. Oh, no, no, no. All those tax attorneys will have to go out there and find another way to take it away from the middle class and give it to the rich. They apply to transactions with no substance other than tax avoidance.
That is what the gentleman from New York's bill does. He says, let's get people to pay their fair share. If we did, we could do this alternative minimum tax. In fact, we could do more. His bill actually says that if you have a combined adjusted gross income of $250,000, if you are less than that, you do not even have to look at this. That would take millions of people off the rolls. But the Republicans want to leave it so that everybody has to be at $58,000 and start into this alternative plan.
The IRS says the record-keeping for that is 19 minutes. Then they say it takes an hour and 14 minutes to read the law and understand it. This is the IRS telling the taxpayers: it is going to take you an hour and a quarter to read this law and figure it out. Then it takes an hour and 49 minutes to actually figure it. And then copying and assembling and sending the form takes another 34 minutes. That is where we get the 4 hours.
You are putting a half a day's work on the American public because you will not consider an alternative from the Democrats. You will not have a hearing to find out whether this is a better proposal or not, because all wisdom resides on that side of the aisle. And it is really wonderful to stand in the presence of people who know everything; but the problem, the reason you got into this mess is because you would not listen to anybody else and you are still in the mess because you will not listen to anybody else. The fact is that your own people, a guy from Iowa, my gosh, he is a wild liberal, right? Head of the Senate Finance Committee. He comes up with this, and you think it is no good.
The fact is that this is a big problem that we need to work on together. If there were any bipartisanship at all on the Committee on Ways and Means, we could get something done. But if it is going to be done all by one side, where the ideology is we have to give it all to the people at the top and we cannot worry about what happens to the middle class, then we are going to continue to have these kinds of deals. If, God forbid, you are still in charge next year, you will be out here with a bill just like this with a bigger problem and a bigger cost and more money into the deficit.
The question that really is sitting here today is, when is the Republican majority going to face up to the hole in the tax structure that you have dug and into which you have thrown all the people? You gave pittances, $676 average, for the average family and $112,000 for the people at the top. Do you think there is a millionaire in this country who needs $112,000? I mean, seriously. How could anybody come out here and support that, given the problems we have in this country right now? Spending $200 billion on a war that never should have happened in the first place, led into it by a President who stood right here and misled us, and you are throwing money out the door every way we can imagine; and you will not face what you are doing economically.
I really pray, I really do pray that the day never comes when Europe stands up or the Japanese or the Chinese stand up and say, we are not buying any more of that worthless paper from the United States.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder) for the time, and I rise today in opposition to the underlying bill and the closed…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder) for the time, and I rise today in opposition to the underlying bill and the closed rule providing for its consideration.
Once again, my friends on the Republican side have come to this floor in a restrictive manner stifling debate before it is even allowed to begin. The majority preaches fairness and inclusiveness while practicing and maintaining an agenda that divides and obstructs.
The gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder) previously suggested it is a fair rule because it allows for a Democratic substitute. With all due respect to the gentleman, this rule is anything but fair, and it is far from open. The rule does make in order an amendment offered by the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel), the ranking member on the Committee on Ways and Means. The Rangel substitute is far more encompassing than the Republican proposal, easier to understand, and most importantly, it pays for itself.
Despite making this amendment in order, the rule blocks the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Baird) from offering an amendment dealing with the deductibility of State income taxes or State sales taxes. Yesterday evening, the Baird measure came to the Committee on Rules. The gentleman from Washington asked that his amendment be made in order under the rule. In typical fashion, Republicans are blocking what they may not be able to defeat. Just like Shakespeare wrote, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet; a closed rule will always stink, and not even dozens of roses could blanket this stench.
The so-called Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act that the House will consider later today is just another example of the majority's recklessly irresponsible tax agenda, not to mention creative naming practices. Even at first glance, this bill fails America's middle class. Folks, it raises taxes on the middle class. I do not know about the rest of my colleagues, but I have a pretty tough time making the argument in the district that I am proud to represent that a household income between $100,000 and $200,000 is middle class because in the district I represent, the average household income is barely $31,000.
In that district that I am proud to represent, $100,000 in household income is upper class by any definition; yet this is the income level that the majority continues to use as an example when making the case to eliminate the AMT.
The majority maintains that extending AMT exemptions help the middle class. I say it neglects America's real middle class. It raises their taxes. If Congress is serious about helping middle-class families, then it ought to use the $18 billion we are spending on the AMT extension this year alone and invest in the public schools which middle-class children attend. Congress should use the $18 billion and invest in health insurance for the 8.1 million uninsured middle-class Americans. Furthermore, 1-year fixes do not solve our problems. Over a 10-year period, this really will cost us $559 billion. It would be easier to eliminate the entire income tax. It would cost us less than what the Republicans are proposing under the AMT provisions that they offer.
Or if we really want to make a statement about our priorities, Congress should dedicate this $18 billion to the transportation reauthorization bill, a bill that a colleague of ours noted last week is currently stuck in a Republican legislative traffic jam. If we take this $18 billion and add it to the nearly $96 billion that we spent last week in eliminating the marriage tax, we have got ourselves more than 110 billion in
new dollars to invest in America's transportation and infrastructure. At the same time, we would be creating some 4.6 million new jobs. Congress could have the $375 billion transportation bill that America needs without any increase in the gas tax and avoiding a Presidential veto. Instead, the majority chooses to cut taxes at the expense of our national priorities.
Mr. Speaker, I do not know any tax cuts that can teach high school algebra. I certainly cannot recall ever meeting a tax cut that could build a road. But I do know the Bush administration tax cuts, that 3 years of those have stalemated this body to the point that we are unable to adequately address long-term unemployment, an increasing number of uninsured people, escalating costs for health care, the uncertainty of an aging Social Security program, and an inadequate transportation system in this great country of ours. Three years of the Bush administration tax cuts have resulted in the largest deficit in the history of America, the greatest decline in household income in nearly 40 years, and an economy that is showing no immediate signs of recovery to help the more than 8 million unemployed Americans. Most important, tax cuts affect our ability to provide for America's military.
Let me send a message to President Bush and his minions. We cannot have guns and butter and ice cream as they propose. Our country has serious needs. Mr. Speaker, the underlying resolution neglects all of them. For that reason and that reason alone, Members should stand up against the interests of a few at the expense of all. I urge my colleagues to oppose this closed rule and reject the underlying resolution.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Most respectfully, my friend from Georgia has misspoken. If he reads my comment, he will understand that I said the Baird measure was proposed before the Committee on Rules last night. I was there like the gentleman from Georgia was. I do know, as a matter of fact, the gentleman from New York (Mr. Israel) presented the measure, and it was not accepted by us.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Frost), the ranking member of the Committee on Rules.
(Mr. Frost asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I note that all of my Republican colleagues who have such great interest in this AMT are just showing up in great numbers to speak on this measure.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Cooper).
(Mr. Cooper asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I would urge our colleagues who are back in their offices and committees to come on down here and explain to the middle class in America why this AMT is not a tax increase on them.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Davis).
The name of the bill, Mr. Speaker, does not make it any more correct. The problem still exists.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Lampson).
Mr. Speaker, how much time remains on each side?
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Twenty-six minutes for those people who believe in this measure to come down here and prove to America that their provision on the AMT is not a tax increase on middle class America, yet they are not using that time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield three minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Stenholm), my good friend and good student of this process.
(Mr. STENHOLM asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, by continuing the exemption for another year, 1 year, Republicans are incrementally trying to postpone the day of reckoning with the AMT. At some point a decision will have to be made to, number one, repeal some of President Bush's tax cuts or, number two, index the AMT for inflation at a cost of roughly $370 billion or, number three, eliminate the AMT altogether at a cost of $600 billion without the Bush tax cuts, or $900 billion if President Bush's tax cuts remain beyond 2010.
What I just said is a part of inside baseball that at best we could feed to the goats the language that we employ here. The mythical Ms. Johnson and Jane and Joe Lunch Bucket understand only one thing and one thing only, that we need to have a debate on how it affects them. No one comes into my office talking about an AMT. But people come into my office talking about health care. People come into the office of our all of us talking about education. People come to our offices to talk about supporting the military in an adequate fashion. And countless, thousands, of Americans come to us talking about either being uninsured or needing to have incentives for small businesses. And yet we find ourselves unable to have a discussion in this House of Representatives that is meaningful as far as economics are concerned. What we get are campaign gimmicks and fancy names of things that do not become the law.
This measures has passed the House of Representatives before. If the American people wanted it to be law, they would be in our offices saying they want this to be the law. We cannot get ten people in most of our communities to write a decent paragraph on what the alternative minimum tax really is. I dare say we could not get a whole lot of Members of the House to do likewise.
With that in mind, it is a confusing set of circumstances that is a 1-year fix. If you think so much of it, why did you stay in your offices and not come down here and explain to the American public why the middle class will not experience a tax increase over the haul of 10 years? What you do is you reduce the income taxes, then you eliminate the AMT on one hand and you take from the right hand and give to the left hand.
To correct my friend from Georgia, who will have the last word on this subject, correctly so, because he and his Members are in the majority, let me give him a summary of the motion that he brought to the House of Representatives. It says ``Providing for Consideration of H.R. 4227, Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004, Mr. Linder, from the Committee on Rules, submitted the following.''
I shall not read the entire report, but since he took it upon himself to say that the Baird measure was not before us, I shall only refer to the language of the motion offered by the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Frost) last night when the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder) and I were in the Committee on Rules.
``Summary of motion: To make in order and provide the appropriate waivers for the amendment offered by Representative Baird.'' Do not challenge me when I say that that was what was brought to us. That measure was defeated six to five by the majority, and I say today we have a chance to remedy that problem if Members, particularly those from Florida, were to see my Republican colleagues from Florida come down here and say that this is not a sound measure when all we have is a sales tax and right up the street somebody else with an income tax can deduct it from their Federal tax offering and we are unable to do this so. Fair is fair. This measure is not fair.
Mr. Speaker, I will be asking Members to vote ``no'' on the previous question. If the previous question is defeated, I will offer an amendment to the rule that will allow the House to vote on the Baird sales tax equity amendment that was offered in the Committee on Rules last night but not allowed by the Republican leadership. I think Members deserve an opportunity to vote on this important amendment. I want to point out that this is not a partisan amendment. It has support from both sides of the aisle as was demonstrated in the Committee on Rules vote yesterday.
The Baird amendment would allow taxpayers who itemize their deductions the option to deduct their State income tax or sales taxes paid in a given year. The option for deduction of sales taxes was available to taxpayers until 1986 when it was eliminated. The gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Linder) said that the gentleman from Missouri's (Mr. Gephardt) name was on that. I remind him that it was signed by President Ronald Reagan. However, taxpayers in those States with a State income tax still retain the ability to deduct those taxes. The loss of the State sales tax option was particularly tough for taxpayers in States with no income tax like my own State of Florida.
As a result, people in my State and others similarly situated pay more taxes than people with identical taxable incomes in States that have a State income tax. It is very important that we equalize the tax relief for citizens in those States without the State income taxes.
Let me emphasize that a ``no'' vote on the previous question will not stop consideration of H.R. 4227, the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief bill. But it will allow the House to vote on reinstating the sales tax deduction option and correct the current tax inequity. But a ``yes'' vote will block Members from an up or down vote on this important tax relief.
Again, I urge a ``no'' vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the text of the amendment be printed in the Record immediately prior to the vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
The material previously referred to by Mr. Hastings of Florida is as follows:
In the resolution strike ``and (3)'' and insert the
following:
``(3) the amendment printed in Sec. 2 of this resolution if
offered by Representative Baird of Washington or a designee,
which shall be in order without intervention of any point of
order, shall be considered as read, and shall separately
debatable for 30 minutes equally divided and controlled by
the proponent and an opponent; and (4)''
Sec. 2. The amendment referred to in (3) follows:
At the end of the bill insert the following new section:
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute. Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English)…
Mr. Speaker, I offer an amendment in the nature of a substitute.
Yes, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) is a good friend of mine. He is a member of the Committee on Ways and Means, and he really is a very decent guy, but he is really wrong in what he said earlier. To suggest that these tax cuts and this mania that we have witnessed now for tax cuts for the last 3 years has not had a substantial impact on the size of Federal deficit is to really put our heads in the sand. Let me remind Members of this House we are now fighting two wars with three tax cuts, and the mathematics are there for everybody to see.
An announcement this morning by Secretary Rumsfeld that 135,000 troops now are going to stay in Iraq for an extended tour of duty, well into the year 2005, and let us be honest with the American people, they are there for 2006 and 2007 and maybe through 2010. That is the reality that we confront. We are going to a $500 billion deficit this year after coming out of the Clinton years when we not only balanced the budget but projected surpluses for years to come.
I want to remind ``all is well'' that this proposal from the gentleman from Connecticut today has never even been vetted in the Committee on Ways and Means. Maybe I am mistaken, but I believe after having served in that committee for 12 years that the Committee on Ways and Means has a responsibility for tax revenue issues. So this is being brought to us by an individual who is not on the committee and indeed it has not been aired in the committee. There has been no public hearing on the proposal that we are going to vote on in an hour. So we find ourselves having this debate about alternative minimum tax.
And I want to say something. I think my hands are clean on this issue. I have heard them say that the Democrats put this in place in the reform of the Tax Act of 1986. That may well be the case, but let me tell the Members something. I am in favor of repealing it. I think there ought to be some intellectual honesty as it relates to AMT. It has outlived its usefulness. It has outlived its purpose, and now middle-income taxpayers are now being asked to carry its burden.
We have a game of kind of hocus-pocus here. The Republicans stand up and say, well, we are going to give AMT relief. They are not giving AMT to the number of people they could and should be giving AMT relief to, largely because it does not square with the tax cuts that the administration has proposed, and once again Republicans in this House go along with very few questions asked about any issue. The administration says it is so, they just go along with it, no questions asked, even if the evidence a few weeks, months,
years later turns a contrary conclusion.
Let me speak specifically, if I can, to this issue as it relates to this debate today. The alternative minimum tax was originally designed to make sure that everyone paid their fair share. Who among us can argue with that? The second notion of the proposal that we have offered today is that we want to grant some relief to the burden that the Republican Party has put on middle-income tax earners. If they, in fact, take advantage of certain credits in the Tax Code and they have a lot of children, they are penalized by their proposal. Do the Members know why? It is very simple, because the philosophy of the majority in of this body is that the only people in America that ought to have tax relief are the wealthy.
And to the credit of the wealthy 3 years ago, they were not even asking for tax relief. They wanted to pay down the debt, and public opinion polling concludes, once again, they still think that paying down the deficits are a far better use of taxpayer money than giving tax relief to even those who might benefit most from it.
They promised that they were going to do something about tax reform as it relates to AMT. But what they did not tell them was that they are going to give them tax relief on one hand and then if they sit down to do their tax forms, they are going to take it away from them if they have four or five children. If people desire to use the HOPE credit, they are going to take it away from them. If they try to take advantage of the child credit, they are going to take it away from them. So they give it to them on one hand and they take it back on the other. So in the end, there really is no tax relief as it relates to alternative minimum tax.
I want the Members to listen to this. Half, half of the promised benefits that we voted on last week under the marriage penalty bill, we were told we were going to provide relief to those folks as well, they are taken back to the Treasury by alternative minimum tax.
I have offered time and again, Mr. Speaker, a couple of very easy proposals in this body. Let us get rid of AMT. Let us scale back the size of the tax cuts the administration offered. Let us pay down the deficit. Let us pay for these two wars. Let us fix Social Security. Let us fix Medicare, as American people clearly desire. And let us give tax relief to middle-income Americans, particularly from alternative minimum tax.
I hope in the next few minutes as we engage this debate, we will have a chance to put the magnifying glass on the proposal that is before us today. And I have got to tell the Members, as a member of the oldest committee in this House, a committee that I believe is so desirable to sit on, a committee whose history is so profound as it relates to this Republic, they did not even have enough regard for the Committee on Ways and Means to hold a hearing on this proposal in the committee. This is the introduction to their proposal today on the House floor. Nobody has seen it until about an hour and a half ago.
So let us engage this debate. Let us have an opportunity to draw some attention to what it is that they are saying but, most importantly, to what it is that they are doing.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, anytime that we can ask those companies that have moved to Bermuda to avoid paying American taxes with 134,000 troops in Iraq to pay their share, I am happy to have my fingerprints on that issue.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), the Democratic whip.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I remind the Republican Members a year ago in the Committee on Ways and Means they had a chance to vote for my AMT bill, which would have done exactly some of the things we are proposing to do today.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. Blumenauer).
Mr. Speaker, I am just curious, and I would ask the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) or perhaps the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Foley), since this was never aired in the committee, this proposal has not been brought up in front of the committee, will the author of this proposal, will he be taking his picture with the Committee on Ways and Means later on at 2 o'clock? Will we have him there for the photograph for history and posterity? I was just wondering, since we now have nonmembers of the committee bringing these proposals forward.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Levin).
(Mr. LEVIN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purpose of making a unanimous consent request to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
(Ms. JACKSON-LEE asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, a quick reminder to the previous speaker. More than half of the promised benefits last week of the marriage tax penalty are taken back under alternative minimum tax.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Hinchey).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Israel).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I remind the gentleman you cannot fix this on a long- term basis without doing something about the tax cuts that the gentleman was heralding a couple of minutes ago.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Bishop).
Mr. Speaker, might I inquire as to how much time is left.
Is the gentleman prepared to close?
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the time that is left.
Mr. Speaker, we have had this debate now in this House for a long period of time. For Members on the majority side to say, well, this was a Democratic proposal in 1986 and then to conveniently forget or suggest that during their 10 years that they have not had sufficient opportunity, working, by the way, with a willing minority to fix the issue, really does not make a great deal of sense. This issue is hanging out there. It is waiting for a solution. There ought to be an opportunity in a bipartisan manner to fix it.
I have said flatly I am in favor of repealing the alternative minimum tax. Let us get rid of it. There is a revenue gap to make up, $600 billion, that has to be found somewhere; but when we offer the suggestion, it goes nowhere, because it does not square, Mr. Speaker, with the tax cuts that the administration has offered and that the compliant Members of the majority have gone along with without ever, ever, ever asking a question.
Forbes magazine has suggested that the tax cuts that the Republican majority and the administration have offered only make the alternative minimum tax issue worse for middle-income Americans. We have heard today a suggestion that issues of war in the Middle East and in Afghanistan are irrelevant to these discussions. How are we going to pay for the troops, 134,000 that are in Iraq and 12,000 that are in Afghanistan, and support this war effort? How are we going to pay for, first, the Defense budget that goes to $421 billion at the conclusion of this session, $41 billion for homeland security? They are off by $140 billion in their prescription drug bill proposal; and the answer is, to all of this, tax cuts.
Mr. Speaker, we can fix the alternative minimum tax issue in a bipartisan manner. I am more than happy to offer my support to try to get that under way. Support the Democratic alternative today. It, in the end, is responsible tax policy, and show those people at Enron and show those people in Bermuda that they ought to pay like the rest of the American people.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend from Pennsylvania for yielding me the time. I rise today in support of the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004, a bill that will prevent millions of…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my friend from Pennsylvania for yielding me the time.
I rise today in support of the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004, a bill that will prevent millions of middle-class, middle-income Americans from paying higher taxes next year.
Mr. Speaker, when the IRS's national taxpayer advocate Nina Olsen presented her annual report to Congress at the end of last year, she deemed the AMT, or the alternative minimum tax, as ``the biggest problem taxpayers face today.'' She did not say upper-income taxpayers. She did not say top tax brackets. She did not say wealthy taxpayers, but simply taxpayers. In fact, middle-class families with children are becoming increasingly liable to come under the AMT for several reasons.
First, the baseline exemptions in this tax were never exempted for inflation. So as more and more Americans have entered into the middle class over the past 25 or 30 years, they have outrun the exemption and, therefore, fallen into the AMT trap.
Secondly, the AMT has begun to fall especially hard on middle-class families with children, the very people we in this body have aimed to help, not hurt, with our tax laws. These Americans work hard, they play by the rules, they pay their taxes year after year and are now sending more of their earnings to the Federal Government because this tax does not allow them to take the standard deduction for married couples, and it does not allow them to enjoy individual exemptions for themselves and their children.
What is more, as my colleague from New York has indicated, high-tax States such as New York and Connecticut are much more likely to be caught because the State, local, and personal property taxes are not deductible. Connecticut is the most taxed State in the Nation; and this year, around April 15, I heard from many of my constituents about the AMT tax.
Just last week, on a radio call-in show, I heard from a constituent, Rose Curran. She called in to complain about the AMT. Rose and her husband, Dan, did not have to pay it this year, but they anticipate that if we do not act they will pay it in the next couple of years.
Rose is a retired State employee whose only income is Social Security. Dan is a Vietnam veteran, disabled, a retired sailor from the U.S. Navy who now works as a civilian at the submarine base in Groton. I do not consider Rose and Dan Curran what I would call wealthy or rich people. They do not either, and yet they are concerned that if Dan keeps working at the submarine base they will fall into this trap.
This is one of the reasons why I introduced the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004, to extend through 2005 the AMT relief provided in the 2003 law. This measure will ensure that taxpayers who are currently exempt from the AMT will continue to be protected because AMT will be indexed for inflation over the next year.
If this legislation is not enacted, Mr. Speaker, the number of working families affected by the AMT will increase from over 3 million this year to over 11 million in 2005. Here is a chart that illustrates what will happen. We will go from 3 million to 11 million. If we enact this legislation, we will remain at the 3 million.
Mr. Speaker, I urge all of my colleagues to join me today in support of middle-class Americans like Dan and
Rose Curran of Norwich, Connecticut. I urge their support for this legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to support my ``Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004,'' a bill that will prevent millions of middle-class Americans from paying higher taxes next year.
In 1969, the Treasury Secretary testified before Congress that 155 individual taxpayers with incomes above $200,000 paid no Federal income tax on their 1967 tax returns by taking advantage of the many exemptions and deductions in the tax code. This revelation sparked an immediate backlash from the American people. That year Congress received more constituent letters regarding those 155 taxpayers than on the Vietnam War.
Following this outburst from taxpaying constituents, legislation was passed that created a minimum tax designed to ensure that wealthy individuals could not escape income tax liability. It was termed the alternative minimum tax or ``AMT,'' for short.
The AMT is a parallel tax system. You calculate your taxes under the normal tax system and again under the AMT. Whichever one yields a higher tax is the one you pay. The difference is that when calculating the AMT you cannot take the standard deduction, child exemptions, or deduct state, local, and personal property taxes. Without these important deductions, the AMT often carries the higher price tag of the two. Over three million American families discovered this just last month when calculating their taxes. For them, the AMT became their income tax.
Mr. Speaker, when the IRS's national taxpayer advocate, Nina Olsen, presented her annual report to Congress at the end of last year, she deemed the AMT to be the ``biggest problem taxpayers face today.''
I would urge my colleagues to note that Ms. Olsen said ``taxpayers.'' Not upper-income, not top bracket, not wealthy taxpayers, but simply taxpayers. In fact, middle-class families with children are increasingly liable to come under the AMT for several reasons.
First, the baseline exemptions in this tax were never indexed for inflation. So as more Americans have entered the middle-class over the past 30 years, they have ``outrun'' the exemption and therefore fallen into the AMT trap.
Second, the AMT has begun to fall especially hard on middle-class families with children--the very people who we in this body have aimed to help not hurt with our tax laws. These Aemricans--who have worked hard, played by the rules, and paid their taxes year after year--are now sending more of their earnings to the Federal government because this tax does not allow them to take the standard deduction for married couples and it does not allow them to enjoy individual exemptions for themselves and their children. The more children a family has, the more likely they will be forced into the AMT.
What's more, if families hail from high-tax States like Connecticut they are much more likely to be snared, as State, local, and personal property taxes are not deductible under the AMT. I represent the most- taxed state in the nation. This time of year I am hearing more and more about the AMT.
Just last week while participating on a call-in radio program I heard from a constituent of mine from Norwich, Connecticut. Rose Curran and her husband, Dan, did not have to pay the AMT this year, but they did owe Federal taxes for the first time in years. In going over their return, they discovered the AMT and were curious about what it was. Upon learning more about its current exemption levels, they realized that this supposed ``tax for the rich'' may well affect them in future years.
Rose is a retired State employee whose only income is social security. Dan is a disabled Vietnam veteran and retired sailor who works now as a civilian at the Subase in Groton. Mr. Speaker, I don't think Dan and Rose Curran would call themselves ``rich.'' But they are concerned that if Dan keeps working at the base they will fall into this tax trap. During my conversation with Rose I urged her to follow up with office and I promised that I would look into this matter.
When I did I was stunned. As one publication put it, this problem is ``growing like the monster from the tax lagoon.''
Today, the AMT exemption amount for a married couple is $58,000. However, this relief is scheduled to expire at the end of the year. Without action, the exemption amount will drop from $58,000 to $45,000 in 2005--raisinig taxes on millions of hard-working, middle-income families beginning next year. The exemption for individual payers will drop from $40,250 to $33,750 with the same result.
Therefore I have introduced the ``Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004,'' to extend through 2005 the AMT relief provided in the 2003 law. This measure will also ensure that those taxpayers that are currently exempt from the AMT will continue to be protected from the AMT because it will be indexed for inflation over the next year.
If my legislation is not enacted, Mr. Speaker, the number of working families affected by the AMT will increase from over 3 million this year to over 11 million in 2005. Let me repeat that--over 11 million Americans will face this surtax next year without action on my bill today. What's more, the 8 million new families paying the AMT will face an average tax increase of $1,520 according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
I'm sure that many of my friends here today will say that this won't solve the greater structural problems of this tax and that this is just a temporary fax. There is some truth to that. Thanks in part to the diligent work of people like my colleague from just next door, the gentleman from Massachusetts, Mr. Neal, we all recognize the seriousness of this issue and the need for a long-term solution. But lets not get so mired in debating how to address the long-range consequences of this problem that we fail to provide this critical extension.
Mr. Speaker, what began as a way to make sure that high-income Americans payed their fair share has today become little more than an unfair surcharge on people who choose to get married, have children and work their way into the middle class. My friends, the fireman and the teacher making around $65,000 together are not rich. They work hard every day to put food on the table, pay the mortgage, and save for their children's education. They cannot afford high-priced accountants to help them reduce their tax bill. But if this couple has three children and takes the standard deduction, they WILL--according to CRS--pay the AMT next year if we don't act. Lets make sure--with this legislation--that next April people like Rose and Dan Curran do not pay the considerable price of the alternative minimum tax because we failed to act on their behalf today.
Mr. Speaker, I urge all of my colleagues to join me in support of middle-class Americans like Dan and Rose Curran of Norwich, Connecticut and support the ``Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004.''
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Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 619 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 619 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Hastings), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
Mr. Speaker, H. Res. 619 is a modified, closed rule that provides for the consideration of H.R. 4227, the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004.
It provides for one hour of debate in the House, equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Ways and Means.
H. Res. 619 also provides for the consideration of the amendment in the nature of a substitute printed in the Committee on Rules report accompanying this resolution, if offered by the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel) or his designee, which shall be considered as read, and shall be separately debatable for one hour equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent.
It waives all points of order against the amendment printed in the report and provides for one motion to recommit, with or without instructions.
Mr. Speaker, this is a fair and traditional rule for the consideration of legislation amending the Internal Revenue Code, and I hope that the House will approve the rule in order to have the opportunity to consider the merits of the underlying consideration.
The Alternative Minimum Tax was originally conceived as a means of ensuring that the wealthy ``paid their fair share of taxes'' in 1969. But, as has happened so many times in the past, the law of unintended consequences has meant that the AMT has produced a very different result.
Because the AMT is not currently indexed to the inflation rate, the number of taxpayers falling into the ``AMT trap'' is growing larger and larger every year. In 1970, 19,000 people paid the AMT. Today, this number has risen to over 3 million taxpayers. According to some estimates, approximately 35 million taxpayers will come under the AMT's procedures in the next 6 years.
These taxpayers are not wealthy by any stretch of the imagination. Increasingly, the AMT is punishing hard-working, middle class families.
With this in mind, I wanted to commend the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) for bringing H.R. 4227 to the floor today. This bill extends for 1 year the current limits on income exceptions from the AMT that Congress and President Bush enacted in 2001 and 2003. Notably, H.R. 4227 also indexes the limits for inflation, thereby precluding the AMT from taking an even bigger bite out of most moderate-income families' paychecks.
President Clinton's 1993 tax raise increased the AMT tax rate without adjusting the AMT exemption amount for inflation. Since then, however, the Republican majority in the Congress has repeatedly delivered AMT relief to taxpayers.
The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 increased the AMT exemption amounts, and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 further increased the AMT exemption amounts. These steps provided some relief to families, but for procedural reasons, the current law's AMT relief will expire next year if we do not enact H.R. 4227. While H.R. 4227 is a good proposal that deserves our support today because it will help provide much-needed AMT relief to workers, it is increasingly clear to me that the current income Tax Code is fatally flawed and in dire need of a fundamental overall.
To that end, I have introduced legislation, H.R. 25, that moves the Federal Government from an income tax-based system to a personal consumption system by abolishing all Federal income taxes and the IRS and replacing the Tax Code with a national retail sales tax on consumers buying new goods and services. Enacting the Fair Tax would, as just one example, solve the AMT problem for all families in the United States.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to join me in supporting this rule so we may proceed with the debate on the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume to comment on the gentleman's opening statement. The gentleman from Washington did not show up at the committee to pursue his proposed amendment. And it is regular order for the Committee on Rules not to allow an open amendment process in bills that come out of the Committee on Ways and Means.
Lastly, let me just applaud the gentleman for saying we should get rid of the IRS. I welcome him as a cosponsor on H.R. 25.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to just take enough time to remind the gentleman that the 1986 tax act was called the Bradley- Gephardt bill.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I merely point out that the majority party will be here to discuss the merits of the bill. The last debate has been on the rule, irrespective of the debate we heard from the other side, which was neither on the rule nor on anything in the rule nor on the merits of the bill. So I will urge my colleagues to come and pass the previous question, pass the rule, and get on with the debate on the bill, which is the extension of the AMT exclusion.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question on the resolution.
Mr. Speaker, today we are considering H.R. 4227, the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) Relief Act. I have considered the merits of the legislation and concluded that the base bill offered by…
Mr. Speaker, today we are considering H.R. 4227, the Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) Relief Act. I have considered the merits of the legislation and concluded that the base bill offered by the Republican majority needed to be amended. I voted aye to the Neal-Bishop-Israel substitute, that would have exempted married couples making $250,000, and singles making $125,000, from paying the alternative minimum tax. The substitute would have been offset by cracking down on corporate tax shelters and tax avoidance schemes used by corporations like Enron. The current budget deficit has been fueled by unprecedented tax cuts that have erased a surplus in excess of $200 billion when the Bush administration took office. Given the loss of 2.6 million private-sector jobs over the last three years, I and my fellow Democrats believe tax cuts should not add to the record budget deficits, because ballooning deficits threaten economic growth, raise interest rates, and cost jobs. That is why the Democratic alternative targeted tax cuts--providing more tax relief to the millions of families with children in high-tax states with incomes under $250,000.
I was also concerned by facts provided by Ways and Means staff that indicated the base bill is expected to reduce federal revenue by approximately $17 billion to $18 billion over 10 years, and none of the provisions in the bill were accompanied by any offsets.
The substitute provided the framework for total reform of the AMT. It would have been paid for, and would have provided AMT relief that is broader and simpler than the relief contained in H.R. 4227. The substitute eliminated AMT liability for all taxpayers whose income is less than $125,000 for single taxpayers and $250,000 for married couples. Above those income levels, AMT liabilities would be phased in over a $20,000 range for single taxpayers and a $40,000 range for married couples. The cost of the substitute was roughly $19 billion and would have been offset by restrictions on tax shelters that have been supported by House Democrats as offsets in other substitutes that have been approved in the Senate on a bipartisan basis.
I opposed H.R. 4227 because it did not provide a sufficient level of tax relief to my constituents.
Mr. STARK. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to oppose H.R. 4227, the ``Middle-Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004,'' and in support of the Democratic substitute that provides real relief for middle-class families.
The alternative minimum tax, AMT, was designed to ensure high-income taxpayers did not thwart the system and avoid their share of the tax burden. But once again, the Republicans are on the floor with a tax proposal favoring the wealthy over the middle class, penalizing hard working Americans raising families. We should not mortgage our future with
tax policies that will merely pass on the ever-increasing debt to our children.
Despite its title, the Republicans are offering a bill that does not provide effective AMT relief for lower-income households and those families claiming the dependent care credit. In addition, the irresponsible AMT relief proposed by the Republicans is not paid for with any offsetting revenue increases or spending cuts.
In contrast, the Democratic substitute provides AMT relief to more households than the Republican bill and gives increased relief to low- income households--especially those claiming the dependent care credit. This tax relief for real middle-class families is paid for with new restrictions on corporate tax shelters. The Republicans call this a tax hike, but it is actually the most responsible way to provide effective middle-class tax relief without adding to the national debt.
The Democratic substitute provides AMT relief to 10.2 million households, a full 1 million more than the GOP proposal. Married households below $250,000 adjusted gross income will be completely excluded from the AMT under the Democratic substitute, while the Republican bill gives big breaks to those over $250,000 who obviously need tax relief the least--and have already most benefited from the Bush tax cuts.
I urge my colleagues to vote against the inadequate Republican proposal and support the Democratic substitute, which provides AMT relief for American families who need it most.
Mr. Speaker, I strongly support providing relief to middle- income Americans from an encroaching Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT). Without action this year to extend the current AMT exemption levels…
Mr. Speaker, I strongly support providing relief to middle- income Americans from an encroaching Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT).
Without action this year to extend the current AMT exemption levels passed in 2003, millions of Americans will feel the AMT crunch in 2005. While the AMT was enacted in 1969 to prevent high-income earners from using loopholes in the tax code to avoid paying their fair share, the AMT is increasingly becoming an unfair tax burden on millions of middle-income Americans. Because of factors including inflation and income tax reductions, the complex calculations used by individuals and couples to determine if they must pay any AMT have adjusted and now unfairly punish middle-income families, particularly those with children in high-tax states.
For the third year in a row, the Internal Revenue Service's Taxpayer Advocate Service's Report to Congress lists AMT encroachment as the most serious problem encountered by taxpayers. The AMT now impacts more than 2.4 million Americans. Unless reformed, the AMT will impact 12.4 million in 2005 and more than 30 million Americans in 2010. On top of that, even more taxpayers will be forced to perform intense computations to determine if AMT applies to them.
While the majority of the 2003 tax proposal that passed the House was fiscally irresponsible and designed to benefit only the wealthiest of Americans, its provision providing increased AMT exemptions in 2003 and 2004 had bipartisan agreement. However, while everyone seems to agree that the AMT needs to be reformed, the President's budget for fiscal year 2005 again covered up the full cost of fixing the AMT--estimated by the CBO at over $500 billion--by proposing another one-year extension. A comprehensive, bipartisan proposal is long overdue to address the problems of the AMT, and it is important that Congress account for this necessary reform in its budget resolutions.
As we reform the AMT to provide relief to middle-income Americans, we need to act in a fiscally responsible manner. It is unfair to Americans today, and especially the next generation, to delude ourselves by thinking the record budget deficits facing our nation, estimated by the White House at over $500 billion this year alone, will simply go away.
As a member of the House Budget Committee, I supported a budget resolution that allows for extending AMT relief while still reducing the deficit. This approach requires tough choices, prioritization, and a bipartisan commitment to helping working families. With the House- Senate conference committee still negotiating the budget resolution for fiscal year 2005, I remain hopeful that we will be able to provide Americans continued tax relief today without raising the debt burden on our children's generation.
The substitute offered today by Representative Neal is a more responsible bill that will provide relief to more than 10 million families while not increasing the budget deficit. By closing corporate tax shelters, the Neal substitute provides a responsible offset to benefit more American families without burdening our children with added debt that they will have to pay off. Further the Neal substitute unambiguously and completely exempts married couples with incomes under $250,000 from the AMT. This is a superior approach, helps more Americans, and ensures most middle income taxpayers will not have to worry about the AMT.
Mr. Chairman, it is important that we act today to ensure average income Americans will not unfairly face the alternative minimum tax in 2005. However, I believe we can and must provide this relief in a fiscally responsible manner that will not burden future generations of Americans. Just as it was true last week when we passed legislation permanently repealing the marriage penalty tax, our work is far from over in helping working families face the challenges of today's economy. We must come together in a bipartisan manner to craft a fiscally responsible budget resolution.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. Mr. Speaker, this debate on the alternative minimum tax epitomizes, unfortunately, precisely what is wrong in this House today: the Republican…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, this debate on the alternative minimum tax epitomizes, unfortunately, precisely what is wrong in this House today: the Republican leadership's refusal to seize bipartisan opportunities where they exist, and its desire to turn every tax bill into a decisive political bludgeon.
Let us be honest: every Member of this House, without exception, recognizes that we must fix the alternative minimum tax. That is not what this debate is about. When the AMT was enacted in 1969, it was supposed to ensure that wealthy taxpayers paid a fair share, that is to say, that you did not have your accountants figure out 17 ways to Sunday that you would not pay any taxes to support this democracy, this Republic, this great Nation.
We said in a bipartisan way, you ought to pay something. But because it was not indexed for inflation, the AMT today ensnares more and more middle-income taxpayers. That was not the intent of any Member of this House. It forces them to pay more than they would under the regular tax schedule. But rather than trying to find a bipartisan solution to this growing and vexing problem, the majority has offered the legislative equivalent of a Band-Aid that would only drive us further into debt.
Make no mistake: the Democratic substitute drafted by the gentleman from New York (Mr. Rangel) is vastly superior. Where the Republican bill would extend current AMT exemptions for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income is less than $40,250, or $58,000 for married couples, the Democratic substitute would say to individuals making $125,000 or couples making $250,000, the Alternative Minimum Tax was not meant for you. You will pay your regular taxes. It was meant for the very wealthy who exempted themselves from taxes.
I want you to know that I paid 10 percent more of my income, which is about one-eighth of Dick Cheney's income, the Vice President's. Why? Because he has an extraordinary preference item, $625,000 in income from municipal bonds. Zero taxes. But the soldiers who are defending the assets of those municipal bonds, CDC is protecting the health of those in those municipalities, as well as Mr. Cheney's and mine.
Not one nickel of cost in the Republican bill is paid for. Not one nickel. My friends on the Republican side, you are raising taxes, but you are slick; you are doing it by the back door. You are increasing the debt. As a result of increasing the debt, my kids are going to have to pay higher taxes.
That is pretty slick. Why do I say it is slick? My kids happen to be voting; but my grandchildren, who are going to have to pay more taxes, are not voting, so they are not focused on what you are doing, this shell game you are playing of pretending you are cutting taxes.
You are delaying taxes, is what you are doing; and you are increasing them at the same time. The fact is, the Democratic substitute provides a simpler and broader relief. It is fiscally responsible. That used to be the mantra of your party. Many of your folks talk about it today. They do not vote that way, however.
It is ironic, Mr. Speaker, that this Republican majority, which talks about tax fairness and simplification, in the last 3\1/2\ years has only made our Tax Code much more complicated.
Let us not perpetuate tax confusion and complexity. Let us help those who need help. Let us pay for what we do. That is the responsible policy. That would make this Congress responsible. We can do so in a bipartisan way. Vote for this substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Pennsylvania for yielding me time. Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the Rangel substitute and in support of the base legislation that we are discussing here…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague from Pennsylvania for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to the Rangel substitute and in support of the base legislation that we are discussing here today. I think it is important to have a full perspective of what is being talked about. Part of it, of course, is the tenor of the times, where we are on the calendar, the fact that notwithstanding, the first Tuesday following the first Monday in November the people of the United States will make some decisions. Perhaps it is in order, Mr. Speaker, to remind the Nation, and certainly my colleagues in this Chamber, how we arrived at this point.
A decade ago, the largest tax increase in American history increased the alternative minimum tax rate and did not adjust the AMT exemption amounts for inflation. As a result, more and more middle income families are forced to pay the AMT each year. Now with a change in majority status, when I was pleased to come here to the Congress and become a part of this majority, the fact is we have delivered time and again on relief from the alternative minimum tax.
Public Law 107-16, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001; Public Law 107-47, the Job Creation and Worker Assistant Act of 2002; PL 108-27, Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003; H.R. 3521, the Tax Relief Extension Act of 2003; H.R. 4227, the Middle Class Alternative Minimum Tax Relief Act of 2004, again providing alternative minimum tax relief by extending the relief enacted in 2003, adjusting it for inflation through 2005.
Now, my friends on the other side of the aisle reminiscent of a country song, that is their story and they are sticking to it, perhaps need to be reminded of this fact.
Do my colleagues know who really ends up paying corporate taxes? Mr. Speaker, the fact is every American consumer ends up paying corporate taxes. How? Prices increase, business accommodates, oh, and just to help people understand because I listened with interest to my friend from North Dakota say that somehow we are in the amen corner, I will tell my colleagues what I do say amen to, Mr. Speaker. I say amen to more quality jobs for Americans, and the Rangel substitute will result in lost jobs by imposing a permanent tax hike on manufacturers and other job creators at a time when our economy is recovering.
I know, Mr. Speaker, for many, given the political season, any good news is bad news for partisan political fortunes; but the fact is, we have seen an increase in orders for manufacturing. Manufacturing is on the upswing. Now that we are seeing real growth, quarterly economic growth, now that we are getting there, my friends on the left, who sadly have never met a tax hike they did not like, witnessed their inaction in the wake of the largest increase in American history a decade ago now let us put the kibosh on the recovery.
How best to do that? Well, let us cost jobs to the manufacturing sector, let us demonize anyone who creates jobs, and let us go back to the time-tested bugaboo and shopworn phrase that we are only going to increase taxes on the rich because the rich are somehow inherently evil.
No, Mr. Speaker, I reject that notion wholeheartedly because what we are talking about is opening doors of opportunity through job creation. That is why we should reject the Rangel substitute, stick with my good friend from Pennsylvania, and pass, yet again, relief from the alternative minimum tax.
Mr. Speaker, let me thank the gentleman from Pennsylvania for leading the debate today. I certainly want to salute my colleague, the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal). He has raised this AMT…
Mr. Speaker, let me thank the gentleman from Pennsylvania for leading the debate today. I certainly want to salute my colleague, the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal). He has raised this AMT issue at every one of our hearings on the Committee on Ways and Means. He has kept this issue alive. It is important for the people who are middle wage-earners in our country to get some relief.
I disagree with the past speaker on suggesting we are limping along, suggesting that the tax cuts that we put in place have not helped this economy. If we tune in to any show or read any publication, whether it is CNBC or CNN or to read Forbes Fortune or the Wall Street Journal, virtually every person who studies the economy is giving credit for this resurgence, if you will, of opportunity due to the tax cuts we have enacted.
The AMT is a burden for middle income taxpayers. We in our bill solve that burden, and we do so without raising corporate taxes. That is a good debate for a day, maybe today, maybe another day on corporate taxation, because we do understand a lot of companies take their plants and facilities overseas.
I asked the H.J. Heinz Company why they found so many countries comfortable for them to move plants to and they said we want to be close to those who are buying our goods and services. So I do not look at the Heinz Company as unpatriotic for opening Heinz of Canada, Heinz of Ireland, Heinz of France, or Heinz of whatever countries they settle in. But I do recognize that at times, companies do make decisions based on their locations, based on the Tax Code of this country.
All agree that our corporate taxes today are too high, and in the Rangel substitute, they raise them further. So we start off with a problem of substance in their bill that actually further punishes corporations who are trying to provide jobs here in America for the citizens of our country. So the administration and this committee, the Committee on Ways and Means on the Republican side, do oppose what would be a $15 billion tax increase.
We also recognize that this needs to be dealt with, and we have dealt with it. If we look back at our history, Public Law 107-16, the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act, we allowed the child credit, the adoption credit, the small savers credit to be counted against the AMT in 2010. We increased the exemption from 45 for 49 for married couple, and 33 to 35 for single individuals. In public law 107- 47, the Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002, we extended through 2003 the ability to claim nonrefundable tax credits against the AMT. Public law 108-27, the Jobs and Growth Tax Reconciliation Act of 2003 again expanded the amounts and extended the amounts. The Tax Relief Act, H.R. 3521.
So there is a consistent history of our committee in a Republican-led Congress moving forward on trying to minimize the grab, if you will, of the AMT.
Now, I believe as we try to determine on this bill how to give people an understanding of how to file their taxes, how to do their taxes, simplicity is the best possible option, and I do look forward to the chance we have on our committee to talk about simplifying this very complicated Tax Code.
But today we are here to oppose the Rangel substitute and genuinely support H.R. 4227 to provide relief for American families.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to salute the leadership of the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) on this issue. Mr. Speaker, what we face with the alternative minimum tax is a sleeping giant, a…
Mr. Speaker, I would like to salute the leadership of the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) on this issue.
Mr. Speaker, what we face with the alternative minimum tax is a sleeping giant, a sleeping giant that is starting to wake up and gobble the hard-earned funds of millions of American taxpayers. Today it is 3 million taxpayers; but tomorrow if we do not pass this legislation, it will be 11 million taxpayers. And if we do not have the time necessary to have a longer-term solution for the alternative minimum tax, by the end of the decade it will be 30 million taxpayers, one in three Americans, will fall victim to this tax that was originally designed to catch about 150 very wealthy Americans that did not pay their fair share of taxes.
What we have today, though, with the alternative minimum tax is a situation where middle-income Americans will be paying more than the wealthier Americans because they lose their personal exemptions, they lose the exemption for State and local taxes, and they lose the exemptions for itemized deductions. Most of the benefits of the tax cuts in 2001 and 2003 will be evaporated for these taxpayers; and for anybody that has had to go through the alternative minimum tax, the compliance costs of having to fill out taxes in a dual universe, the normal way and the alternative minimum way, is much higher.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to support H.R. 4227 and allow us this year of time to have a long-term solution to fix the alternative minimum tax.
Mr. Speaker, once again, I salute the hard work of my colleague from Pennsylvania in bringing this issue to the attention of the full House.
Mr. Speaker, I oppose the substitute amendment. Why? This corporate tax increase that is proposed would be a job killer. That is why. Right now at 35 percent for a corporate tax rate, we have the second highest corporate tax rate in the world. We have a 5.7 percent unemployment rate. And though we have seen progress over the last several months due to tax reduction, the time is not appropriate right now to raise corporate taxes.
The second reason is the WTO. The WTO tariffs have increased just recently to 7 percent. We need to be addressing this with the FSC/ETI reform package, and the way that we are going to address this is reducing corporate taxes, not raising corporate taxes. So the message of the substitute motion to raise corporate taxes is a job kill and it will not enable us to deal with the looming crisis of the WTO issue.
So let us pass the underlying bill, H.R. 4227, which gives a 1-year fix, an inflation adjustment to the alternative minimum tax. It ensures that couples who today are earning $58,000 will be exempt from the AMT or for single individuals who are earning $40,000 will be exempt, and not moving those brackets down to $45,000 for a couple or $33,750 for a single individual.
This bill, the underlying bill, will allow us to address the long- term issues that are a sleeping giant of the alternative minimum tax. The fact that today 3 million people pay it, tomorrow, if we do not pass the underlying bill, 11 million people pay it, and by the end of the decade, it will be one in every three taxpayers who will fall victim to the AMT.
We need the underlying bill today. We do not need the substitute motion.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to the previous question so the House might be able to consider the Baird amendment restoring the deduction for sales tax, State sales taxes. This is one of…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to the previous question so the House might be able to consider the Baird amendment restoring the deduction for sales tax, State sales taxes.
This is one of those issues that I wish the Committee on Ways and Means would have brought to the floor of the House 2 years ago. The AMT question is a very serious question of which there is a lot of concern about. But this is not the way to handle it in the bill today and the tax cut of the week, and obviously the lack of participation by my friends on the majority side shows how political this is and how substance is being thrown away.
But I want to talk about the State sales tax deduction which was eliminated in 1986. Citizens from States that do not have State income taxes such as my home State of Texas have been unfairly penalized. While taxpayers living in States that have an income tax are entitled to deduct their State sales taxes from federal taxes, folks living in States without income taxes do not receive an equivalent deduction. And my State is now in the process of increasing the sales tax on all citizens of Texas, which will compound the problem that we are talking about today. The result is that citizens of States like my State of Texas are paying more taxes than are citizens in other States with identical incomes, and I do not understand why the Committee on Ways and Means does not take up the question of tax fairness.
The Baird amendment would restore fairness to the Federal tax system by allowing taxpayers who have no State income taxes to, instead, deduct their State and local taxes. Why not? What is wrong with that? Why not have a discussion of that on the floor instead of the tax cut of the week, which is purely for political purposes that will show up in campaign ads all over the United States as evidenced by the lack of participation in the substance of that which we are talking about today?
I also believe that the fundamental bill, if we are going to have to, on the floor, ought to be paid for. I agree that this exemption of State sales taxes will cost an estimate of $1.2 billion, but it ought to be paid for and it should be paid for in the interest of fairness. States should be able to decide for themselves whether or not they want to adopt an income tax instead of being pressured to do so because the Tax Code is biased in favor of a State income tax instead of a State sales tax.
What is wrong with that picture? Why can we not have a serious debate
on this floor about tax reform? Instead of just talking about it in campaign slogans, which we do, flat tax, et cetera, a fundamental question, why can the Committee on Ways and Means not take up the bill that they bring to the floor today and have a serious discussion of that within the committee? Why not let Members in a bipartisan way participate in these issues? Instead, it is a campaign issue. If they want a campaign issue, this is a campaign issue.
In Texas, the inability of Texans to deduct sales taxes should be an issue on the hearts and minds of every single Texan, and the vote on the previous question will clearly identify in this body who is in favor of fairness and who is not.
Vote against the previous question. Allow fairness to be discussed on the House floor.
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Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding me this time. The alternative minimum tax was originally intended to provide fairness for all taxpayers by requiring wealthy individuals…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding me this time.
The alternative minimum tax was originally intended to provide fairness for all taxpayers by requiring wealthy individuals to pay their fair share of taxes. Unfortunately, the alternative minimum tax is affecting more and more middle-class families. Middle-class families clearly should not be subject to the AMT, and I am glad we are looking at solutions to end this unfairness today.
But there is another tax issue that affects millions of Americans and that I think deserves the chance to be debated today, the issue of State sales tax deductibility. Since the sales tax deduction was eliminated in 1986, citizens from States that do not have State income taxes, such as my home State of Texas, have been unfairly punished. While taxpayers living in States that impose an income tax are entitled to deduct their State income taxes from their Federal tax bill, those living in States without income taxes do not receive an equivalent deduction for the sales tax. The result is that citizens of States like Texas, Florida, Washington State, and Tennessee are paying more to the IRS than are citizens of other States.
I do not think this is fair, Mr. Speaker. All taxpayers should be treated equally regardless of their State's tax system. A number of Members from both sides of the aisle have introduced measures to reinstate the sales tax deduction, and I think it is high time that this House consider their proposals.
Last night in the Committee on Rules, I offered an amendment to the rule brought forth by the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Baird). His amendment would restore fairness to the Federal tax system by allowing taxpayers who have no State income taxes to instead deduct their State and local sales taxes. Unfortunately, the Rules Committee majority defeated my amendment. Mr. Speaker, I do not think that is right. This House has debated dozens of other tax bills, but the Republican leadership will not allow this House to debate an issue that penalizes millions of American taxpayers.
Mr. Speaker, this is not a partisan issue. It is a matter of fairness. If this House is to be presented the tax bill of the week for the foreseeable future, I cannot understand why the Republican leadership will not allow the House to even consider an issue that will provide equity for the people of my State and six others. I think the American people deserve a full and honest debate on this matter.
Consequently, so that the House might be allowed to consider the sales tax deduction, we will attempt to defeat the previous question. If the previous question is defeated, we will offer an amendment to the rule allowing for the consideration of the gentleman from Washington's proposal to reinstate the State sales tax deduction for those States that do not have a State income tax. This may well be the only chance Members have to take a stand on this issue.
I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on the previous question so that this House may consider reinstating the sales tax deduction and so our constituents know where we stand on the issue of reinstating this deduction.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the Democratic substitute. I join my colleagues in offering this amendment in order to bring relief to so many families, particularly Long Island families who…
Mr. Speaker, I rise today in support of the Democratic substitute. I join my colleagues in offering this amendment in order to bring relief to so many families, particularly Long Island families who have been disproportionately hit by the alternative minimum tax. Our substitute would not only extend the current exemption, but it would exempt married couples with incomes under $250,000 from this punitive tax. In addition, and this is very important, we completely pay for this tax relief to middle-income families by closing corporate loopholes.
Long Island taxpayers are paying the price for this Congress' abdication of duty when it comes to sound tax policy. Our refusal to reform the AMT has had the effect of severely curtailing the promised Bush tax cuts from middle-income Long Island families. While the wealthiest families completely benefit from the tax cuts targeted towards the upper brackets, middle-income families were hit with the unwelcome surprise of higher taxes on tax day.
I have been hearing from constituents all across Long Island who feel double-crossed and double-taxed by
this undue tax burden. In fact, just yesterday I was speaking with an accountant from my hometown who told me that AMT filings for middle- income Long Islanders had shot through the roof this year, while the wealthiest were reaping tremendous tax benefits, some in excess of $1 million of tax savings. For example, married couples in my district with two children and an income consisting of $15,000 in wages were forced to pay the AMT due to State income taxes and real estate taxes totaling over $21,000. This, in turn, triggered the AMT.
More Long Islanders pay the AMT than taxpayers in any other region of the country, and I will do everything in my power to put an end to this unfair treatment. Middle-income Long Islanders bear the brunt of this tax because State and local income taxes, property taxes, and other personal deductions are added back in for the purpose of calculating the AMT, and anyone who lives on Long Island will tell my colleagues that our property taxes, in particular, are very, very high. The net effect of this is that we pay inordinately high property taxes, and then we turn around and are robbed by the AMT of our full Federal tax relief.
We need a long-term solution for the AMT and not simply a short-term fix. The so-called fix under consideration would do nothing, and I repeat nothing, for the Long Islanders who found themselves paying the AMT this year. Our substitute sends us down the path towards a long- term solution and makes sure that middle-income families are truly relieved from this tax next year. Under our substitute, two-parent families on Long Island making $250,000 or less would be able to rest assured that they would not be forced to pay the AMT. This is the right kind of relief for working families.
In my opinion, we owe it to the American taxpayers to put our heads together and reconsider the consequences of this failed tax policy and reform the AMT so that it no longer hurts middle-income families.
Mr. Speaker, the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is a terrible burden on middle class taxpayers and the middle class should be excluded from the AMT. Once again, however, the Republican leadership is…
Mr. Speaker, the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) is a terrible burden on middle class taxpayers and the middle class should be excluded from the AMT.
Once again, however, the Republican leadership is using budget gimmicks to hide the real cost of their tax cut and doing nothing to offset it. While the proposed AMT relief bill carries an official cost of $17 billion, its actual long-term costs are much higher: $549 billion over ten years, or $658 billion if the added interest costs on the national debt are taken into account. Indeed, by proposing a one- year ``fix'' to a perpetual problem, H.R. 4227 purposefully obscures not just the long-term cost of AMT reform. Ignoring these long-term costs irresponsibly undermines our ability to adequately plan for the future. It costs the future generation, as well as the present economy.
More unpaid-for tax cuts will not only jeopardize critical public services now, but they will also hurt Americans well into the future. Massive deficits now create large debt and high interest payments that will crowd out spending on public investments for future generations. Moreover, these deep deficits threaten to increase interest rates in the future--making it harder for Americans to buy homes and afford higher education, and making it harder for business to raise capital.
This is why I support the Democratic alternative to relieve the burden of the AMT on middle class taxpayers. The substitute would provide temporary relief from the AMT that is more broad and simpler than the relief contained in H.R. 4227. The substitute would simply eliminate AMT liability for all taxpayers whose adjusted gross income is less than $250,000 ($125,000 for single taxpayers). Above those income levels, AMT liabilities would be phased in over a $40,000 range ($20,000 for single individuals).
The substitute would provide a framework for total reform of the AMT. It would require the Secretary of the Treasury to promptly submit legislative recommendations to the Congress, and it would require the Committee on Ways and Means to act on those recommendations this summer. It is time for the Congress to be honest with the American taxpayers and proceed with real AMT reform.
Moreover, the substitute would be revenue neutral. Its cost would be offset by restricting certain tax shelters, which has already passed the Senate on a bipartisan basis. The AMT was designed to ensure that all taxpayers pay a minimum amount of tax and, in effect, limited the ability to use tax loopholes. The substitute would directly address those tax avoidance transactions, thereby minimizing the need for the minimum tax and provide relief for the middle class families of my district.
We cannot continue to pretend that the AMT problem will go away on its own and to make major policy decisions based on the reckless unrealistic assumption that it will. We must work toward a long-term, fully paid-for solution that protects our ability to fund critical national priorities and allows us to make realistic plans for the future.
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman's courtesy in permitting me to speak on this. Mr. Speaker, I find my friend from Pennsylvania's commentary somewhat ironic because all independent observers…
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the gentleman's courtesy in permitting me to speak on this.
Mr. Speaker, I find my friend from Pennsylvania's commentary somewhat ironic because all independent observers agree that after three rounds of massive tax cuts, we are getting very little benefit for the magnitude of the costs involved.
On our side of the aisle, we have had a variety of areas that would have put far more people to work producing far more economic benefit for this country at far less cost.
It is also ironic that somehow, the blame; after 10 years of Republicans in control, that somehow, this inequity is the problem of the Democrats. In fact, under the watch of my Republican colleagues, we have seen the ``millionaires' tax'' that was enacted in 1969 to stop sheltering all income, now punishes people who pay their taxes, claim a child care credit, and save for their future.
In the midst of the largest tax-cutting frenzy in our country's history, the Republican majority has used the $600 billion that is going to be extracted from people who do not deserve to pay this over the next 10 years, to disguise the impact of their misguided policies.
Now, I would suggest that it is inappropriate to continue limping along as my Republican colleagues would do today with the enactment of their proposal. It just puts off the day of reckoning, gets past another election and, they hope, can implement more of their true agenda: to provide more permanent tax relief for people who need it the least.
Now, I would suggest that the Democratic substitute, which is providing more help and not making deficits worse, is a step in the right direction. I join with my friend, the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) and the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Neal) to come forward to either repeal or fix the alternative minimum tax. But we could do that in a minute if the Committee on Ways and Means would return to its historic way of doing business, being bipartisan, maybe even considering legislation like this in committee before bringing it to the floor, allowing debate back and forth, allowing amendments. I think we would have a bipartisan majority that would put 400 votes on the floor to get rid of the single greatest inequity in the Tax Code.
Instead, the drum-beat from my friends on the other side of the aisle is to make permanent the most egregious part of their program for the people who need it least, and holding hostage some 35 million to 43 million American families with this sword of Damocles holding over their heads. It is just what they have done with the estate tax. Instead of coming forward with a bipartisan reform that we are ready to do and would get 300 or 400 votes, they have this bizarre thing where one has to be careful about what year they die, to know how many wills they have to have in order to play the game with this year after year.
I think it is inappropriate and it is shameful. It is time for us to take a step in the right direction, with the approval of the Democratic substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me time to speak on what I consider to be a very important bill. I rise in support of H.R. 4227 and commend my colleague, the gentleman from Connecticut…
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for yielding me time to speak on what I consider to be a very important bill.
I rise in support of H.R. 4227 and commend my colleague, the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons), for introducing this legislation.
This bill is simply about keeping promises, about keeping the promise made to the middle-class taxpayers that we would provide child credits to reduce the taxes on our young families, that we would eliminate the marriage penalty, and that we would expand the 10 percent bracket so that those low earners in America would not be burdened with tax liabilities.
Unfortunately, unless we pass this legislation, we will renege on that promise of lower taxes and effectively increase the taxes of 11 million taxpayers by on average $1,520. I can tell you, that is a lot of money to families in our country. We cut their taxes; and we need to remain loyal to that policy that supports families, recognizes the circumstances of low-income individuals and families in the 10 percent bracket, and eliminates the gross unfairness of the current marriage penalty in our code.
So I rise in strong support of the legislation. It is temporary. I look forward to working with my colleagues in the administration on a permanent solution, but passage of this legislation is imperative.
I also strongly oppose the substitute. First of all, it is wrong to fund a 1-year provision with a permanent increase in taxes. It is also wrong to ``clarify current law'' by muddying it. Current law
has a body of case law behind it which has helped to define the complex issues and eliminate uncertainty.
Now, the current law could be improved upon. Our Acting Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Gregory Jenner, has recommended, and the Treasury has strongly recommended, that we increase disclosure, that we require more disclosure, and that by doing so, we could stop tax shelter transactions that were abusive. So we need to move to increase disclosure.
But to add instead a new, complicated doctrine of economic substance will cause the kind of confusion that retards investment. People will be uncertain. This is a very complicated issue. They will not know what the government is going to do. They will slow down investment, killing jobs.
When our recovery is soft, it is dumb to do something that will cost jobs now and cost considerable jobs over the next few years. The Heritage Foundation has just come forward with an analysis that says this would kill 3,000 jobs the first year and 15,000 jobs over 5 years. Remember, many of our manufacturers pay taxes and would be affected by this, just at the time when they are getting back on their feet.
So what you do not need in the Tax Code is uncertainty. We have a problem in the Tax Code. We need to deal with it. A 1-year extension is the right way to go at this time.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman and oppose the substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, let me join in with the gentleman from Pennsylvania in trying to work to eliminate this burden that has been placed on people that…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, let me join in with the gentleman from Pennsylvania in trying to work to eliminate this burden that has been placed on people that it was never intended to penalize. But, Mr. Speaker, before we can work together on this issue, the issue has to come before our committee. Is that not a novel idea, a tax bill coming before the Committee on Ways and Means?
Why is it that we yield our authority, our jurisdiction to the Committee on Rules? Is this not something that should not be a partisan issue? Is this bill, this AMT, not adversely affecting Democrats and Republicans and liberals and conservatives? Why do we have to, in the middle of the night, shift this over to the Committee on Rules and then come to the House floor and say we want to spend $167 billion to go into debt but we only want to do it for 1 year? That is truly unfair.
Why do you give away tax relief for the marriage penalty and then take it back away with the alternative minimum tax? Why do we have this sloppy way to develop a Tax Code that is so complicated that it takes hours for people to try to get the benefits that we say we are giving to them?
So what I am saying to my friend from Pennsylvania, please do not tell us how you have got to struggle to make this permanent. Tell us how we can get the jurisdiction back in the Committee on Ways and Means.
It would be wonderful if you were saying that we were going to schedule hearings on this so witnesses can come forward. And while you are doing that, would you please tell the American people whether they are providing this tax relief at the expense of the debt that they are giving their children and grandchildren.
Would it not be good to know how you intend to pay for this? Where do we get the $17 billion? Do we take it away from DOD as we fight in Iraq? Do we take it away from homeland security or do we borrow it so the Chinese can buy our debt?
I do not know. I am 74 so it may not be my problem, but it may be the problem of our children and our grandchildren, as we give relief, which we should give on a permanent basis in one hand, and then we take it back from our children and our grandchildren. This is no place to legislate this complex legislation.
I just hope that no matter what happens at the end of this year, that somebody has the guts to say that tax legislation should come from the Committee on Ways and Means and not the distinguished Committee on Rules.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott) be allowed to control the remainder of my time.
Mr. Speaker, under the Bush administration, 2.6 million jobs have been lost, long term unemployment is at a record high. We have gone from $5.6 trillion surplus in the Federal budget to nearly $3…
Mr. Speaker, under the Bush administration, 2.6 million jobs have been lost, long term unemployment is at a record high. We have gone from $5.6 trillion surplus in the Federal budget to nearly $3 trillion in deficit; and this year, the huge budget deficit is expected to reach $500 billion primarily due to the economic plans of the President and congressional Republicans. Four million people lost their health insurance; 1.3 million more people have gone into poverty. Median income of middle class families is down $1,400. Thousands of schools are being forced to meet Federal education standards without additional Federal assistance.
Federal transportation and infrastructure programs are on life support while Republicans squabble over the transportation bill. These are serious problems that we will not be addressing today.
Reforming the alternative preliminary tax is another serious matter and it is something that Congress should take seriously. The Republican bill before us today, however, simply pushes the problem down the road. By the end of this decade, 33 million or 75 percent of families making between 75 and $100,000 will be swept up into the AMT. It is obvious that this needs to be fixed.
Republicans are to be blamed for this dilemma. Their irresponsible tax reductions fail to include any form of the AMT despite the fact that they forced, and will continue to force millions of middle income families who live in high tax States to pay the costly alternative minimum tax. What the Republican bill would do today is borrow $20 billion to provide a 1-year extension of the increased exemptions that middle income families currently rely on to avoid paying the AMT. This is not real reform. It is procrastination and it is dangerous. It adds to our deficit and effectively raises the Republican debt tax that has ballooned under President Bush.
The Democratic substitute provides more tax relief to middle income families without adding a penny to our debts. It would eliminate AMT liability for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income is less than $250,000; and it would provide the framework for Congress who begin reforming AMT.
We Democrats support tax relief for lower and middle income families. Our bill does that. Democrats also are not afraid to begin addressing the serious problems facing our country. We are willing to take them head on as evidenced by this substitute.
It is time the House got serious about the issues facing our country today. Simply procrastinating, pushing off problems on to the shoulders of our children and grandchildren, that is the Republican plan. It is also unacceptable; it is immoral, and it must stop.
Mr. Speaker, I also want to say it does not matter what you call it. If it is inequity, it is inequity. If it is not fair, it is not fair. That is what I want to talk about this morning in this…
Mr. Speaker, I also want to say it does not matter what you call it. If it is inequity, it is inequity. If it is not fair, it is not fair. That is what I want to talk about this morning in this debate. We have lost the issue of a simple matter of equity and fairness.
I spent 19 years as a property tax collector in the State of Texas. My whole goal in assessing value to property was to make sure that no property owner, no taxpayer paid an unfair burden in comparison to the others. Our Tax Code unfairly penalizes those who live in States where there is no local or State income tax, which includes my State of Texas. Just as I cannot accept discrimination on how our government treats individuals, I do not want to accept discrimination in how our government taxes our citizens across the board. My colleague from Washington State knows this all too well, and that is why his proposed amendment is so important and timely, because it restores sales tax deductibility for residents of States with no local or State income taxes.
As current law stands, residents in States with local or State income taxes can deduct those amounts from their Federal taxes. So I ask you, where is the fairness for our hardworking, tax-paying citizens? Texas is one of nine States with no income tax; and as a result of the 1986 Federal tax reform law, regardless of who wrote it and who voted for it, that does not matter. That happened then, today is today. Sales taxes are not deductible. As a result, we are not treating all taxpayers in this country equally. Consider this: if Texans could deduct what they pay in State and local sales taxes, they could keep more than $700 million. That is a lot of money. That is money that the hardworking citizens of southeast Texas and the gulf coast region in my district could use to care for their senior citizens, pay their daily bills, use for unexpected emergencies, or even help offset our rising cost of school property taxes at home.
My colleague from Washington's proposed amendment offers a smart and simple fix and lets us remedy one part of our tax code so we can focus on reforming the rest of it. This money belongs to the residents of Texas, and by golly, if all other Americans get to deduct part of their taxes, then Texans should get to keep it as well. Let us vote against this previous question.
And this amendment would be limited to just one year, so it is not a permanent measure--I cannot think of anything more reasonable for us to consider.
After all, that's what equity is all about, and since it seems lately that all we are considering are tax bills, well then we might as well consider this one too.
Mr. Speaker, the alternative minimum tax, AMT, is a huge and growing burden on a middle class that is already burdened by a tough economy and the loss of 2.6 million private sector jobs. Originally…
Mr. Speaker, the alternative minimum tax, AMT, is a huge and growing burden on a middle class that is already burdened by a tough economy and the loss of 2.6 million private sector jobs. Originally designed to make sure everyone paid their fair share by limiting excessive tax shelters for wealthy families, the AMT has become a tax penalty for families with children who live in high-tax States. By 2010, 30 million Americans will be faced with minimum tax liability, as compared to about 3 million today and 1 million in 1999.
Everyone in this chamber agrees that something must be done to ease this burden on the middle class. And let me make clear--Democrats have a long track record of supporting real tax relief for the middle class. Unfortunately, this bill represents a band-aid approach to what has been deemed by the IRS's National Taxpayer Advocate as the Nation's top tax problem.
Under the Republican bill, 1 million families would still be paying the AMT. A two-income family with four children in a high-tax State would be hit by the alternative minimum tax even if their income is only $95,000. And their bill would extend AMT relief for just 1 year-- meaning taxes on millions of middle class families will go right back up in 2006.
The Congressional Budget Office estimates that a true fix of the AMT would cost $376 billion over 10 years. But Republicans have refused to step back on their tax cuts for the wealthy, which have created a $3 trillion deficit, in order to pay for this essential middle class tax relief.
Today Democrats bring to the House floor a true solution to the AMT problem. The Democratic substitute completely exempts married couple families with incomes under $250,000 from the alternative minimum tax, providing tax relief to more than 10 million families, particularly those with children in high-tax States. Compared to the Republican bill, it provides more relief to 1 million additional families.
And, the Democratic plan is fully paid for by cracking down on corporate tax shelters. As nearly two-thirds of corporations paid no tax at all in 2000, this is an important step to ensuring that corporations pay their fair share while relieving middle class families from the unfair burden of the alternative minimum tax. The middle class does not benefit by adding to our already ballooning budget deficit and further threatening economic growth.
I urge my colleagues to support true AMT tax relief for middle class families, without adding to the budget deficit, by supporting the Democratic plan.
Mr. Speaker, here we are, another week, another tax debate. Another occasion in the House of Representatives where the GOP majority has offered nothing, nothing substantive about the looming deficit…
Mr. Speaker, here we are, another week, another tax debate. Another occasion in the House of Representatives where the GOP majority has offered nothing, nothing substantive about the looming deficit crisis that is racking up historic levels of debt in this country.
I do not suppose it is a mystery they do not want to talk about it because when they bring their budget, whenever they can get it out of conference, it will include, we are told, an increase in the borrowing limit for our country. It will take the borrowing limit to the highest levels in the history of the United States. Some are saying it will take the borrowing limit over $10 trillion. That is $10 trillion of debt to be incurred under their fiscal plan for this Nation. Debt we will leave to our children and debt we can not responsibly pass on.
So as we take a look at something imperative like doing something to respond to the AMT, let us, for goodness sake, put in place a provision to pay for it so we do not even drive this monstrous debt they have given us even deeper. That is what the substitute is about.
It talks about clamping down on high-flying tax cheats, some of the worst avoidance schemes, some of the most shallow, unjustifiable schemes created simply to cheat the Federal Government by the high flyers that can afford the hundreds of thousands of dollars of legal and accounting bills to dream up these schemes.
The Republican majority in this debate has become ``amen corner'' for tax cheats in this country. You might think the next thing we will see from this outfit is a resolution commending the Enron executives for their creative financing.
The fact is there is a whole lot of tax avoidance illegally done in this country. I am very pleased with the announcement made by IRS Commissioner Mark Everson today about an initiative launched by the IRS that they believe is going to target just in 1,500 to potentially 5,000 multi-millionaires and corporations, a crackdown on an illegal tax scheme that they think will generate for this Treasury 5 to $10 billion.
So do not stand over here and tell us that cracking down on tax cheats is raising taxes. Taxes are what hard working Americans pay because they owe it. But the tax avoidance and tax cheats that you salute so highly in this debate is something else again. We believe we ought to capture that revenue so we do not drive this debt deeper for our kids. That is what the substitute is about. I urge Members' support.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time, and say to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Engel) that we have fought a good fight on many issues, and I am delighted to be associated…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time, and say to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Engel) that we have fought a good fight on many issues, and I am delighted to be associated with the gentleman on this.
Mr. Speaker, I am not going to talk about the alternative minimum tax. People have described it, nobody wants it, we want to get rid it. The question is how. Do we do it the Democratic way or the Republican way. I happen to believe that H.R. 4227, the bill of the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons), is the right approach.
I guess the only thing I would hope is that we would not get tangled up in two things: One is we not get tangled up in the politics of this thing. This is a national interest. We could argue back and forth and criticize each other, but the point is people are going to get hurt and we have to stop that. The other thing, I hope we do not get tangled up in procedural issues. This is a procedural House, but the impact is not procedural on people on the outside.
I want to thank the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. English) and the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) for what they have done. The gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) has really been the watchdog here for a lot of people who could get hurt, and they do not know they could get hurt. The fact that they have been watchful and sensitive to the human condition is very important.
As Members have said, this is a stopgap measure. But without this, we cannot go to the next leg. The next leg is to get rid of a tax. It is an interesting concept because before 1986, people with large amounts of capital could give that capital away; and, therefore, under provisions of the tax law, would not have to pay any tax. It was not fair and it was not democratic, and that is why this thing came into effect.
But there was no indexing, and that is why this is creeping up and involving enormous numbers of people. There are over 3 million people now, and there will be another 8 million involved. It is a very hurtful tax. I think it is a very good idea. If you want to vote the Democratic proposition, that is fine. I happen to believe what the gentleman from Connecticut (Mr. Simmons) has done is right on target. It is essential. It is straightforward, simple, and will benefit everybody. Therefore, I request that Members support the bill, H.R. 4227.
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[H. Res. 619 Engrossed in House (EH)]
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
May 5, 2004.
Resolved, That upon the adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to
consider in the House the bill (H.R. 4227) to amend the Internal Revenue Code of
1986 to extend to 2005 the alternative minimum tax relief available in 2003 and
2004 and to index such relief for inflation. The bill shall be considered as
read for amendment. The previous question shall be considered as ordered on the
bill and on any amendment thereto to final passage without intervening motion
except: (1) one hour of debate on the bill equally divided and controlled by the
chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Ways and Means; (2) the
amendment in the nature of a substitute printed in the report of the Committee
on Rules accompanying this resolution, if offered by Representative Rangel of
New York or his designee, which shall be in order without intervention of any
point of order, shall be considered as read, and shall be separately debatable
for one hour equally divided and controlled by the proponent and an opponent;
and (3) one motion to recommit with or without instructions.
Attest:
Clerk.