Providing for consideration of the bill (H.R. 4567) making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes.
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Rule provides for consideration of H.R. 4567 with 1 hour of general debate. Previous question shall be considered as ordered without intervening motions except motion to recommit with or without instructions. Measure will be considered read. Bill is open to amendments.
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The House Committee on Rules reported an original measure, H. Rept. 108-545, by Mr. Diaz-Balart, L..
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Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
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23 membersWhat members said about H.Res. 675 on the floor
Mr. Speaker, we have now gone about 1,000 days since the attack on this country on 9/11, and this bill is supposed to deal with our efforts to protect the homeland. I think that to evaluate how good…
Mr. Speaker, we have now gone about 1,000 days since the attack on this country on 9/11, and this bill is supposed to deal with our efforts to protect the homeland. I think that to evaluate how good those efforts are, we need to compare the challenges with the resources that we are applying to meet those challenges. And if we do, I think there will be no doubt that we are mistakenly trying to do this job on the cheap.
Let me give my colleagues some examples of inadequacies in this appropriations bill.
Air cargo. Air cargo is a huge threat to the safety of the flying public. If the public understood what a tiny percentage of cargo that is shipped on passenger planes is actually inspected, they would be shocked. It is a tiny percentage. We ought to do something about that. This bill prevents us from doing that.
The gentleman from Florida discussed correctly the need for more in- line explosive detection devices at airports. We wanted to try to do that in the bill; but, again, we are precluded from doing that by the budget ceiling. The chairman of the committee himself has indicated how important that is. Yet we are not going to be able to make any significant advances on that front under this bill.
If we take a look at the problem that we have with military pilots being able to communicate with commercial pilots, if you have a terrorist incident or a potential terrorist incident and a military aircraft is trying to track a civilian aircraft, it would be kind of nice if those two pilots could talk directly to each other and to the ground. But right now, we do not have the software system in place that will enable that to happen. That is a dumb omission.
We also have some problems with respect to ports.
Now, the new idea in protecting our ports is to establish inspectors at foreign ports so that they can review what goes into those cargo container boxes before they ever leave that port on their way to the United States. But we have a big problem. There are only 20 ports out of the 45 major ports that we need to cover where we have that kind of inspection activity going on; we have none going on in China, and China imports three times as much through cargo shipping as does Hong Kong, for instance.
Worse yet, the inspectors on the job in those foreign ports are assigned temporary duty for about 6 months apiece. They cannot get to know the territory; they cannot get to know the people they work with in those ports during that time. They should be long-term assignments, but we do not have the money in the bill to do that.
The northern border. The PATRIOT Act, with all of its problems, the PATRIOT Act required that we have a specific number of inspectors on the northern border. We are 2,000 short of the number that was supposedly guaranteed by the PATRIOT Act. First responders, those are the policemen, the firemen who deal with the incidents where they occur in the local community, on the ground, we have been told by the Rudman- Hart Commission that there is about $90 billion worth of need that we need to address. We have only met about 15 percent of that need.
We have fewer firefighters in this country today than we had on 9/11. Do you call that progress?
And then, we have the massive problems in the Homeland Security Agency. Of the 500 career slots in that agency, or roughly 500 career slots, 171 of them are vacant. Twenty-five percent of the slots in that agency are filled by political appointees. Is it any wonder that there is considerable chaos?
More than a year after the reorganization, that agency still does not have a phone directory. I was talking to a fellow 2 days ago who was trying to talk to the Homeland Security Agency about getting a contract, to meet a need that they were advertising; he did not even know who to call or how to find out because they do not have a phone directory.
It does not make a lot of sense.
General Zinni has made the point that when it comes to dealing with this terrorist threat that we have a lot of tactical activities going on but not very many strategic. I just think we need to face the fact this bill is not adequate.
And then, as has already been mentioned by several other Members, it has this weird feature which allows the Homeland Security Agency to give a contract that would be valued up to $10 billion to a company for the purpose of tracking who crosses our borders, they want to give that contract to a company that has already jumped our borders and decided they will locate for tax purposes in Bermuda. That means they duck their taxes, and your constituents and mine get the privilege of making up the difference.
Great deal. Great deal. That is why I would urge every Member of this House to vote against the previous question on the rule so we can offer amendments to correct these problems and to vote against the rule if we cannot bring down the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I am inserting in the Record at this point the text of the comments I made in the report accompanying the Homeland Security Appropriation bill made in order by this rule.
Additional Views of David Obey
It has been a thousand days since al Qaeda launched its
first successful attack within U.S. borders. Since that time
many changes have taken place inside our country and in the
way we deal with other nations around the world. Most of
those changes have been justified as steps that were
necessary to insure that nothing like September 11th ever
happens again. But how much progress have we really made? How
far have we come in reducing the likelihood that it will
happen again?
One thousand days has often been viewed as a period of time
for communities and even whole nations to stop and take
stock. What have we done right? What have we done wrong? What
are our largest remaining areas of vulnerability? What are
our prospects of getting hit again?
I think our efforts to prevent future terrorist attacks can
be divided into three stages. The first step was to hit al
Qaeda and hit them hard. Take the battle to them. Destroy
their leadership; their ability to communicate; their ability
to raise and transfer funds; their ability to obtain weapons
and to move members between countries and most importantly,
their capacity to organize attacks against the United States.
The second step was to understand the factors in the Arab
and Muslim worlds that feed this kind of senseless anger and
why that anger has been directed toward the United States.
Why did so many ordinary people in the Muslim world cheer on
September 11th and what does it take to reduce or at least
redirect the anger that is now so focused on us.
Thirdly, what are we doing to upgrade our defenses here at
home? What goals have we set? Do they make sense? How well
have we performed in reaching those goals?
Attack Against Al Qaeda
With respect to the first goal, I think the United States
has for the most part performed well particularly if we look
at the early stages of our effort and if we view al Qaeda as
an organization, rather than an idea or a cause. The
organization's leadership has been significantly diminished.
While a number of its most senior leaders have survived, the
best evidence indicates that they have grave difficulty
communicating with others in the organization or playing any
kind of day-to-day leadership role. Significant numbers of
lesser figures in the organization are still at large and
they are very dangerous. But they face much greater
challenges moving about the world, receiving the training
necessary to successfully execute large scale attacks and
getting the materials and support necessary to launch such
attacks.
The initial phases of our attack against al Qaeda were
highly successful. The planning and execution of the
overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan was a high-water mark
in our efforts against terrorism. The initial cooperation
that we received in the wake of September 11th--from our
traditional allies in Europe and also from nations across the
globe that have at times been less than friendly to U.S.
interests was also impressive.
losing focus in afghanistan
But somehow, we lost our focus. Having destroyed the
Taliban's capability to rule Afghanistan we did not move
aggressively to insure that the government that we support in
its stead could fill the void. We did not invest anything
like the level of resources for Afghanistan that was needed
to make rapid, noticeable changes in the quality of life.
Because of that, in a large portion of the country, we did
not have the leverage to strengthen the hand of central
government, extend the rule of law, and deny terrorists safe
haven. We also did not sufficiently exert our influence to
insure that the Afghan army that we were attempting to build
was representative enough of the various ethnic and tribal
groups across the country to become a credible force for
stability and unification.
But the attack on al Qaeda began to loose steam outside of
Afghanistan as well. Talented intelligence operatives with
highly specialized knowledge of Arab culture, language and
political behavior were diverted from the listening posts and
operations centers across the Arab world where al Qaeda
activity was most likely to surface to undertake a quite
different mission. Financial resources, talented
administrators and trainers who might have helped our allies
in the Arab world improve their own military and intelligence
capabilities against indigenous terrorist organizations were
also diverted. The striking momentum that characterized the
early phases of our efforts against Al Qaeda has greatly
dissipated. The organization has lost much of its backbone,
but many of its pieces are still out there attempting to
reorganize and regenerate the segments that have been lost.
We no longer have the focus to our effort to insure that that
does not happen.
Still, you would have to say that our efforts against al
Qaeda have been a success--at least if al Qaeda is viewed
simply as an organization. The problem is that al Qaeda is as
much as idea as it is an organization and ideas are hard to
kill. Bullets can kill organizations--they sometimes only
strengthen ideas.
As General Anthony Zinni said recently in a lecture before
the Center for Strategic and International Studies, while we
may be winning the war on terrorism on a tactical level, on
the strategic level we don't appear to even have a plan.
Osama bin Laden never intended al Qaeda to be the command
structure for the jihad against the United States. The term
``al Qaeda'' means simply, ``the base.'' Bin Laden wanted to
create a network to support and encourage jihad. He wanted to
attack and overthrow the Arab governments around the world
that he viewed as corrupt and out of sync with his views on
the teachings of the Koran and he wanted to attack the
foreign power that stood behind most of those governments--
the United States. Bin Laden's challenge was to create a
blueprint that could be used for such attacks and to inspire
large numbers of disgruntled members of the Arab and Muslim
world to follow that blueprint. He wanted to create a
movement that represented more than a small army of
terrorists--a movement that could bring down moderate Arab
governments and, with the overwhelming support of Arab
peoples, drive the United States from the Middle East.
American Image in Arab World
While bin Laden has suffered huge organizational setbacks
over the past thousand days, he has been enormously
successful in progress made toward his one strategic
objective. He has captured the attention of the Arab world
and much of the Muslim world. To a remarkable degree he has
even won their sympathies, and in some instances, their
commitment. If we wish to reverse that, we must begin to
think strategically as well as tactically. We must succeed in
our efforts to take the second step, to reshape the image of
the United States in the Arab and Muslim worlds. We must not
only strengthen the determination of our friends in the
region to resist terrorism but also encourage them to address
the underlying problems that feed it. Even for many of the
brightest and most industrious young people in many Arab
countries, hope is in short supply. While the energy
resources of the region have brought great wealth to a few, a
chance has largely been missed for many governments to use
those resources to build opportunity economies.
How we change our image in the Arab world and what policies
we should pursue to accomplish it is an issue that will spark
debate and some division in this country. That debate needs
to begin and it is the responsibility of leaders in both the
executive and legislative branches to begin it.
Upgrading Our Defenses At Home
Given how poorly we have done over the past thousand days
in stemming the anti-American passions in the Middle East, it
is even more important that we do a good job in the third
step required for a successful strategy: upgrading our
defenses here at home.
In evaluating our performance on that front, it is
important that we distinguish motion from movement. I am
afraid that in many respects we have had more activity than
we have had progress.
On September 11th, we had more than 130 agencies and
activities of the federal government engaged in some aspect
of homeland security. Those pieces of the bureaucracy were
spread across most of the Departments of the federal
government. There was no central capacity to oversee or
monitor how well they worked together. Many of these agencies
had only a fraction of the resources necessary to accomplish
the security tasks that experts in the field believed could
prevent future attacks.
So, after a thousand days, what has changed?
Homeland Security On The Cheap
Well, we are certainly spending more money. The government
is spending about $5 billion a year more just on airport
baggage and passenger screening. We have expanded the size of
the customs service and the immigration service. We have
bought new equipment in our ports to screen cargo coming into
the United States from international shipping and we have had
a significant
growth in law enforcement activities. But if you compare
the challenge we face with the resources we are using to
meet those challenges, it is clear we are trying to do
this on the cheap. We are like someone with a good paying
job who must get to work on time every day in order to
keep that job. But instead of building the most reliable
car he can find, he gets a fifteen year old model--one
that will get him there most of the time but will
eventually cost him his good paying job.
Failure in establishing our defenses against terrorism
places lives at risk. It also puts at risk our capacity as a
society to generate wealth. Although the greatest loss would
most certainly be measured in human life, penny pinching on
necessary security is foolhardy from a simple economic
perspective.
This legislation continues funding failures
Many in government, including the President and the
Attorney General, have warned that we are likely to be
attacked by terrorists on our homeland within the next nine
months. Given this information, you would think that we would
be doing everything humanly possible to improve the security
of our homeland. The legislation accompanying this report is
the prime vehicle to provide the resources to do that.
Unfortunately, it represents a stark failure to improve
protection of our citizens in any meaningful way against the
wide-ranging scope of the threat facing us today.
The fact is that we are not doing all we can to protect
Americans from another terrorist attack. The legislation
accompanying this report provides an increase of $2.8 billion
or 9.4 percent over the previous year. Yet excluding Project
Bioshield and user fees, the bill is only $1.1 billion or 5
percent above the previous year. Despite the Department's
huge security responsibilities, this is only slightly above
inflation.
This legislation provides a resource level equal to only
slightly more than inflation for our customs and border
protection and enforcement operations and for port security.
Worse, this legislation cuts funding for programs designed to
improve the response capabilities of our local police,
firefighters and emergency responders by $327 million or
seven percent from 2004.
OMB's homeland security spending analysis
OMB has prepared an analysis of homeland security spending
which is seriously flawed. Programs that were not counted as
homeland security a few years ago have now suddenly been
shifted into the homeland security category in order to
convey the impression of a greater increase in effort than
has actually taken place. Nonetheless, the OMB exercise is
instructive for getting a big picture sense of what we are
doing to address critical security issues. In total, OMB
argues that we have gone from spending $20 billion a year--or
about two tenths of one percent of GDP in fiscal 2000--to $46
billion a year, or less then four-tenths of one percent
today. That means that, even based on OMB accounting, our
increase in homeland security spending has been less than two
tenths of one percent. To provide some perspective on that
number, the share of GDP paid in federal taxes has dropped
from 20.8% to 16.4% during that same period--a decline of
4.4% or twenty two times the size of the increase in
spending to protect against terrorism.
Another perspective on the level of effort we have made
thus far is the oft-used analogy of Pearl Harbor. Pearl
Harbor led us to the creation of the concept of Gross
Domestic Product. The Roosevelt Administration believed that
it might require 50% of our total output to take on the
Germans and the Japanese simultaneously. They asked the
Commerce Department to develop a method of measuring national
output. They not only produced the concept that is now used
around the world to measure economic activity, but they were
also actually able to reach that goal of spending nearly half
of the nation's output on the war effort.
We do not need to put 50% of our output into this war or
even 5%. Whether you think that our war effort in Iraq is
associated with the war on terror or is a separate and
competing activity, expenditures related to that activity
account for more than 1% of GDP--more than twice as much as
we are spending on activities directly related to protecting
the homeland. Given that fact, it is blatantly ridiculous to
pretend that we cannot afford what we need to protect against
terrorist attacks.
Another major attack could erase a trillion or two trillion
dollars from the total valuation of the New York Stock
Exchange. It could substantially slow the pace of economic
growth for a year or more. Again, the most important
consequence of a terrorist attack is the loss of human life,
but penny pinching on homeland security makes no sense. Even
if we consider only the economics of the issue, the Institute
for the Analysis of Global Security found that the cost of
the 9/11 attack was nearly 2 trillion dollars, including the
loss in stock market wealth, lower corporate profits and
higher discount rates for economic volatility.
Now it should be noted that the Administration's FY 2005
budget attempts to make a case that in future years we can
reduce the size of federal deficits from the current record
levels and still afford additional tax cuts. In making that
case their projections for future year spending levels in
various categories of the budget are revealing. Homeland
Security spending is essentially locked into place at current
levels. In fact, what OMB is telling us is that unless the
American people or the Congress force a change in priorities,
what we have now for securing the nation is all that we are
going to get and could decline by as much as $900 million.
But the question we should be asking is: Are we really
doing enough? Are there things that we really ought to be
doing that the resource levels we have allocated to the
problem prevent us from doing?
aviation security gaps remain
One lesson from September 11th that virtually no one could
miss is the need to secure our airlines and our airways. We
have spent considerably more on this objective than on any
area of homeland security. But there are a surprising number
of resource issues still unaddressed with respect to
protecting our airways.
For example, we still do not have an effective system of
explosive detection. Put more directly, it is still much too
easy to get explosive materials onto passenger airlines.
The Transportation Security Administration has identified
equipment that could have provided us with that capability.
It's expensive, (it would have cost close to $3 billion to
install the equipment nationwide) but it would have
dramatically improved our capacity to detect explosive
materials. It also would have significantly reduced the
number of screeners required in airports around the country.
In fact, the savings in TSA personnel costs from the use of
this equipment was estimated to be large enough to offset the
entire cost of the equipment.
The Transportation Security Administration proposed to OMB
that the agency purchase much of the needed equipment when it
was preparing its plans to meet the 2002 explosive detection
requirement set in law. But OMB decided that the expense
could not be accommodated within the tight, arbitrary limits
for homeland security spending which the President and the
Director of OMB had decided to impose. Republicans in
Congress then adopted a budget resolution that did not
provide the Appropriations Committee with the latitude to
move forward with the purchase. As a result we do not have an
effective system of detecting explosive materials and that
failure is due entirely to artificial constraints on
resources and incompetent budgeting. TSA has recently
acknowledged that the more expensive machines would pay for
themselves within 3 to 5 years.
Following September 11th there was broad recognition of the
fact that we needed to restart the sky marshals program and
insure that there were enough marshals on domestic and
international passenger flights so that potential highjackers
would always have to think twice about the likelihood that a
sky marshal might be present on a targeted flight.
Now the exact number of marshals that the President and the
Congress agreed were necessary has remained classified. But
few people realize that we are no longer operating at that
level. No one has come forward with convincing arguments that
the level was too high or that adequate safety can be assured
at a lower level. We have simply once again allowed arbitrary
budget limits, applied to one small portion of the budget, to
drive a decision that may unnecessarily put a great many
Americans at risk. Under the President's budget submission
for Fiscal 2005, we will have 20% fewer sky marshals than the
President and the Congress agreed that we needed just two
years ago. That is in spite of the fact that there has been a
significant increase during that period in the number of
domestic and international flights and in the number of
passenger miles flown.
We have had--and continue to have--serious communications
problems between military pilots who have the ultimate
responsibility to insure that commercial aircraft are not
used to crash into buildings (and the commercial aircraft and
the FAA system that controls them). Quite simply, military
and commercial flight systems cannot easily and quickly talk
to one another and the potential that leaves for
miscalculation and mistakes it horrific.
Despite the fact that this problem could be solved for
relatively little money, the military felt the commercial
system should foot the problem and the FAA and the airlines
felt it should be addressed in the military budget. OMB
decided the cheapest solution was not to decide.
Finally, last fall, I decided for them. The $10 million
that was needed was earmarked in the Defense Appropriation
bill. I suppose that's a good ending to the story, except
that the delay in funding means that the system will not be
operative until 2006. That gives you one more thing to think
about when you board a plane. It also provides more than a
little insight into how decisions about homeland security are
being sorted out within the executive branch.
rail vulnerabilities
These examples of inaction with respect to airway security
are serious, but they do not begin to compare with the nearly
total abdication of our responsibility to assure the safety
of rail transportation. As the recent attacks in Spain have
demonstrated, our enemy is not wedded to attacks on any
single transportation mode. He will watch and wait until he
finds a vulnerability that can be exploited.
Rail is vulnerable in two ways. One is from attacks against
our freight rail system that handles a huge portion of the
materials,
products and chemicals that allow our economy to function.
The second is from attacks (like those in Spain) against the
roughly 13 million Americans who use passenger rail systems
each day.
Luckily, the Department of Transportation and other
agencies in the executive branch began a process of sharing
classified threat information with the nation's rail freight
carriers in the late 1990s. The plans developed as a result
of that process are in place and provide a foundation for
significant security upgrades. But the plans are dependent
upon the federal government meeting certain obligations it
accepted during the planning process. Under those plans
federal security forces are specifically required to monitor
tracks and facilities. Not only have we failed to do that but
we have not even designated the agency or department that
will supply the forces or establish a means of training them.
As disquieting as the lack of progress in securing our
heavy freight and passenger rail systems may be, the security
efforts on behalf of transit systems is even worse.
lack of progress in transit security
The White House has failed to mediate the dispute between
the Departments of Homeland Security and Transportation over
who is actually in charge of transit security. A General
Accounting Agency report recommending a resolution of the
issue has been rejected by both departments. The impasse
continues despite the fact that it is halting any significant
progress in securing the systems and despite the fact that
transit systems have been the most frequent worldwide targets
of terrorist attacks.
Neither Department is willing to spend even a small
fraction of the security related costs most experts feel is
necessary. Department of Transportation security funding for
transit systems totals $37 million in the current year and
the Department of Homeland Security has allocated only $115
million over the past two years. This legislation contains
only $111 million for rail and transit security needs. In
contrast, the transit industry estimates that $6 billion
is needed for security training, radio communications
systems, security cameras and limiting access to sensitive
facilities.
What is the Department of Homeland Security's answer to
these unmet needs?
They testified this spring that more funds are not
necessary until they have had a better opportunity to define
the problem. Now, that is an orderly approach, which we
should applaud as long as the Department can guarantee al
Qaeda's cooperation with their schedule. My concern is that
the Department is likely to get some help they have not asked
for in developing a definition of the transit security
problem.
The Department has clearly become aware of how vulnerable
they are to criticism about their lack of serious attention
to transit issues. Only two weeks ago, in a classic move to
cover their bureaucratic backsides, they issued a directive
to transit systems ordering them to take a series of actions
that the Department's own data collection system indicates
have already been completed by the vast majority of transit
authorities across the country.
cargo container vulnerabilities
Since September 11 the vulnerability that has most troubled
many experts has been maritime cargo and the exposure of our
ports to a nuclear, chemical or biological attack from a
weapon placed in a shipping container. As the president of
the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Tom Donohue, has pointed out,
such an event could cause death and destruction on a scale
far beyond the attacks launched on September 11. It could
virtually shut down our global trading system for an extended
period of time. The economic consequences would be almost
incalculable. Terms like ``economic downturn'' or
``recession'' would not begin to describe the aftermath.
The Bush Administration has spent billions looking for new
technologies with the capacity to knock a nuclear warhead out
of the sky if it were launched in the nose cone of an
intercontinental ballistic missile. It has invested heavily
in the development of other technologies that are intended to
serve that purpose but probably cannot. But they seem
unresponsive to the fact that a rogue or a terrorist
organization can simply place such a weapon in a shipping
container and explode it upon arrival in New York Harbor or
in Los Angeles, San Francisco, New Orleans or Boston. A ship
can bring into this country a far less complicated weapon
than one which could be placed on an ICBM. It can be massive
in size and its does not need to even be thermonuclear in
order to cause massive numbers of casualties, destruction and
economic chaos.
So what have we done to protect ourselves? Protecting our
ports is not unlike protecting our airports. We need to have
multiple security perimeters. The first should be overseas.
That requires a whole new approach to cargo inspection. It
requires that our inspectors leave the United States,
establish cooperative relationships with port security
officials in countries around the world that ship to the
United States. It requires that they establish a system of
certification and best practices with major exporters
around the world.
This is not a Democratic proposal. This is roughly the
proposal that George Bush's own appointed head of the Customs
Service, Bob Bonner, took to the White House in months
immediately following September 11th. It is the proposal that
the Council on Foreign Relations Task Force, headed by former
Senators Rudman and Hart had endorsed. It is the proposal
that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has written editorials to
support.
But the White House waited until last year to request the
first dime for this effort. Whatever presence the United
States has had in foreign ports over the past one thousand
days has been entirely as a result of Congressional increases
to homeland security spending--increases that were opposed by
the White House, increases that the White House threatened at
various stages in the legislative process to veto, and
increases which on one occasion the White House did veto.
Last year, the White House reversed themselves and finally
requested a portion of the funds that were needed for
container security. Their position changed from, ``we can't
afford it'' to ``we needed to wait.'' That is a turnaround
and I suppose we should welcome it. But the $126 million that
the president has proposed for FY2005, and is contained in
this legislation, will not adequately fund the program. It
will not even allow us to fully staff the 45 foreign ports
where DHS had planned to inspect all manifest documents. It
will not permit our current foreign inspection programs to
become permanent. We are currently in only 17 ports. We
currently have no container security presence in China, the
biggest U.S. trading partner in terms of cargo containers.
The number of cargo containers arriving to the U.S. from
China is more than three times those arriving from Hong Kong.
More troubling than the mere question of resources is the
lack of political or bureaucratic clout behind this critical
initiative. If having inspection agents working with foreign
customs officials is to be a truly effective means of
understanding what is in foreign ships before they leave for
U.S. ports, it requires developing long term relationships
between our agents and those who control the foreign ports we
wish to monitor.
This involves a new level of training and expertise for our
customs agents. It involves establishing continuity in the
relationship we have with host governments in terms of what
we expect to get and what incentives we can provide to those
who cooperate. Nothing could be more destructive to this
effort than to rotate in and out of foreign ports agents with
only a few months of experience based on a deliberate system
of staffing through temporary assignment. But that is
precisely what we have done. In the few foreign ports where
we do have a presence, that presence is a U.S. customs
officer detailed there on a six-month temporary duty
assignment. Those agents don't even know what the problems
were between the U.S. and the host government when the
program was initiated. They are certainly not people that
officials of the host government would want to invest much
time in getting to know--they will be gone before there is
any pay off from developing a relationship.
port vulnerabilities
If the overseas effort to identify the contents of cargo
containers is the outer perimeter for protecting our ports,
the ability of the Coast Guard to interdict, board and
inspect U.S. bound shipping at sea is the next perimeter. Yet
the Coast Guard's capacity to perform that function has also
been restrained by lack of resources. The Administration
frequently states that the Coast Guard is now boarding all
vessels that are deemed to be ``high interest.'' That means
80% of all other vessels are not boarded.
Observing, tracking and controlling ships as they approach
and enter into American waters is the next perimeter in
securing our ports. Systems have been developed that are very
similar to the systems by which air traffic control directs
airplanes entering into U.S. airspace and approaching U.S.
airports. These systems, however, are available in only nine
ports, leaving 45 major ports without such a system. Again,
this is penny wise and pound foolish. It is also a bad
decision in terms of long-term cost effectiveness. More
automated systems permit more rapid detection of ships that
are not following control directives; they can be operated by
fewer people and are long-term cost savers.
And, inside our ports, there are numerous critical issues.
One is preventing unauthorized persons from having access to
ships, containers or post storage areas. A second is
protecting hazardous chemicals and materials from attack. The
Coast Guard estimated that the 185 commercial seaports in the
United States would need about $7 billion to assess
vulnerabilities and take necessary action to correct those
vulnerabilities. These port authorities do not, in most
instances, have the revenue raising authority to pay any
significant portion of these costs. This year was the first
time the Administration requested any money whatsoever for
this purpose, and it only requested $46 million. The Congress
has been able to appropriate only $587 million or less than
10% of the money needed to do the job. This legislation
includes an additional $125 million for port security, which
will keep us on the slow-moving path to addressing all of our
port vulnerabilities.
securing our land borders
Another major priority has been securing our land borders--
in particular, the 3000 mile U.S. border with Canada or 5000
miles if we include Alaska. Despite our continuing strong
economic and political ties to Canada, the situation of the
two nations with respect to potential terrorist attacks is
quite different. Canada's smaller role in world affairs and
the image of Canada in the eyes of
the international community make it a much less likely target
of attack than the U.S. At the same time, Canada's vast
geography and relatively small population have led to far
more lenient immigration policies than those in place in the
United States.
As a result there will continue to be significant
differences between the two countries on how external
security concerns are managed. That means that the question
of how to control our border and the movement of people and
cargo across that border is suddenly a matter of much greater
concern.
Recognizing that concern, the Congress included language in
the Patriot Act calling for the tripling of the number of
border agents and inspectors on the Canadian border above the
levels we maintain on September 11th. As of October 2003, we
were still more than 2000 people short of this goal. In
addition, there was a clear need for significant additional
equipment on the Canadian border to insure that those new
people would be efficiently put to work: equipment like air
stations, radiation monitors, and surveillance equipment.
To date we have fewer than 4000 agents and inspectors on
the border. In other words, about one third of the positions
promised in the Patriot Act are still unfilled. The FY 2005
budget promises no increases from current levels. And the
President' out-year budget projection provides a strong
indication that personnel strength at the border will
actually decline rather than increase over the next five
years. With respect to equipment, we have provided the first
air station (again one not requested by the Administration)
and some radiation monitors, but have made no critical
investments in things such as surveillance equipment.
preparing those who respond to terrorist attacks
The events of September 11th made clear that the brave men
and women serving in the police, fire and emergency medical
units in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, District of Columbia
and Maryland needed a significant amount of additional
equipment and training to more effectively respond to the
types of attacks that occurred on that day. It was also
apparent that first responder units across the nation did not
have most of the equipment they would need to deal with a
nuclear, chemical or biological attack.
The needs of local first responders were spelled out in
considerable detail in the Rudman-Hart reports. But the
federal government has already allowed most of the burden to
fall on local governments. Since the capacity of those local
governments to support such investments in the tough economic
times is limited, progress in equipping first responders has
been minimal.
Of the $98 billion in first responder needs identified by
the Rudman-Hart report, the Feds have provided less than
$14.5 billion, or 15%. As a result only 13% of fire
departments can effectively respond to a hazmat incident. An
estimated 57,000 firefighter's lack the personal protective
clothing needed in a chem-bio attack. An estimated \1/3\ of
firefighters per shift are not equipped with self-contained
breathing apparatus and nearly half of the available units
are 10 years old. Only half of all emergency responders on
shift have portable radios. And we still have massive needs
for interoperable communications equipment. On site emergency
personnel working for different agencies need to be able to
talk to each other. We will probably never know how many
victims in the World Trade Centers could have been saved if
they had known that they needed to evacuate the buildings. We
know that was a communication problem of disastrous
proportions.
This legislation cuts funding for programs designed to
improve the response capabilities of our local police,
firefighters and emergency responders by $327 million or
seven percent from 2004. These professionals are put on the
front line risking their lives every day. They are especially
put at risk when terrorists attack our homeland, as we saw
from the number who died at the World Trade Center. These
professionals need to be prepared for the various types of
attacks we may face and they are not fully prepared today.
It is disgraceful that this legislation provides less
funding in this area, not more.
These are only a few examples of where corners have been
cut in establishing the line of defense here at home.
inadequate homeland security leadership
But there is more to the story than simply talking about
resources. In many instances, we have not had the leadership
necessary to organize available resources in effective ways.
Prior to the creation of the Department of Homeland
Security, the White House identified 133 separate agencies
and activities within the federal government that played a
role with respect to homeland security. The creation of a
Department was the Administration's answer as to how to
better manage and coordinate those disparate activities. The
problem, however, is that only 22 of those 133 activities
became part of the new department. A total of 111 agencies
and activities, including the FBI, the CIA, the Defense
Department and many other key components of the overall
effort remained on the outside.
But for whatever reason, the effort to have centralized
control and coordination of all of those activities within
the White House was diminished. When Tom Ridge went to DHS
his replacement within the White House was not given the same
clout to knock heads together and insure that Departments and
agencies are working together toward a common mission. Too
frequently, we have had 112 units of government headed off on
their own with no central coordination, as Attorney General
Ashcroft's press conference and the reaction within the
administration to that press conference last week so clearly
demonstrated.
And even within the new department there have been serious
problems. In its first year of operation, DHS has
disappointed even those with low expectations. Bureaucratic
snarls have been so intense that on its first anniversary the
Department still did not have a working phone directory. My
staff has been asking for one for more than six months and
has yet to receive it. It has also been reported that when
callers phone the Department's hotline number, it just rings
and rings. Members of Congress from the President's own party
have expressed grave concerns about the inability of the
Department to respond to requests for information in any kind
of a reasonable time frame.
One possible cause of the rampant chaos at the department
has been the injection of a huge number of political
appointees. Since the creation of the Department more than
one quarter of all personnel who have been hired for
departmental operations have been political appointees. These
individuals often appear more fixated on positioning
themselves politically than on the nuts and bolts security
problems, which the Department must address. We have seen a
huge number of press releases promoting the Departments
efforts but we have few concrete efforts worthy of such self-
promotion. We, for instance, still do not have regulations
regarding the licensing and registration of hazardous
material truckers nor do we the detailed guidance for
flight and cabin crew training to prepare for potential
threat conditions which was mandated by the Aviation and
Transportation Security Act more than two years ago.
Typically, political appointees remain in their appointed
positions for less than 24 months. At that point, they are
off to some other part of the administration or headed back
into the private sector. That means building true long-term
competency within any Department is heavily dependent on
recruiting a committed professional career staff. But the 114
political appointees now swarming the halls at DHS have--if
anything--impeded that process. Of the 500 career positions
needed to run the department, 171 remain vacant. One of the
most critical positions in any Department is that of Budget
Director. In only 14 months DHS has had three budget
directors.
Ironically, this legislation provides funding that is
sixty-two percent higher than this year for Departmental
Operations. Even though we were told that formation of the
Department of Homeland Security would not cost us a dime, it
now appears that the Administration has realized that this
was not true: $65 million is provided in this legislation for
the Department's headquarters and $70 million is provided for
the ``security-critical'' new personnel system. I do not
question the need for this funding. But I do think that it is
instructive that these are higher priorities for the
Administration and the Committee majority than are protecting
our border, ports, transit, and aviation system.
Instead, this $135 million could have been used to purchase
and install hundreds of additional radiation portal monitors
at our borders and ports. The Committee majority admits that
it is, and I quote this report, ``aware of a need for over
1,000 more'' radiation portal monitors than are funded by the
Committee.
Instead, this $135 million could have been used to inspect
a much greater percentage of air cargo for explosives than we
do today. While the Committee report calls for a doubling of
the screening for explosives of cargo carried on passenger
airplanes, this ``doubling'' still leaves a large percentage
of such cargo at risk.
Instead, this $135 million could have been used to secure
additional critical infrastructure, like chemical facilities,
transit systems and ports. The Committee majority agreed with
the Administration's plan to have only thirty-five percent of
protective actions that it recommends actually implemented
for ``first tier priority critical infrastructure
components''. What this means is that sixty-five percent of
the actions the Department recommends to protect the public
will not be implemented next year.
The Administration and the Committee majority seem to be
very patient when it comes to protecting our citizens on our
homeland. Unlike them, I remain unconvinced that terrorists
will wait a decade for their next attack.
congress should not abdicate its role
About a year and a half ago I spoke to a group of reporters
at the National Press Club about where the country stood at
that time in protecting itself against terrorist attacks. I
feel that the coverage of that event was fair and I think we
exposed some problems that, as a result of that coverage,
have been fixed. But I also think that the press and the
public have a presumption that this is such a complex issue
that we simply have to trust the President and his advisors
in the Executive Branch to do what is right. I think many of
my colleagues in Congress have felt the same way. While I
understand people's tendency to leave this complex calculus
to the ``experts,'' I think this town is currently awash in
new information about the decision making process within this
administration which indicates that is a bad idea!
First of all, that is not the approach to decision making
that the Constitution requires of us. It is our job to
second-guess. When so much is at stake, the Congress, the
press and the public have the clearest possible obligation to
insure that the decision making within the Executive Branch
is measured, deliberate, based on the best available
information, and consistent with the quality of judgment
befitting the seriousness of the risks to which we are
exposed. Had that happened in the wake of 9/11 or even a year
and a half ago there are many points in this statement that I
might have been able to leave out.
One problem in all of this, frankly, is that it was hard
for the press and the public to believe much of what I
reported a year and a half ago. While the facts presented in
that statement were well documented they presented a picture
of executive branch decision-making that was wholly
inconsistent with what the nation or the press corps wanted
to believe. It was hard to accept the idea that in this
moment of great national crisis we did not have systematic
methods of screening information, examining policy choices,
debating the pluses and minuses of each alternative, and
making strategic choices based on an exhaustive effort to
find the best possible alternative. But in recent months we
have learned time and time again that this was not the nature
of decision-making within this administration.
Ron Suskind, using the exhaustive notes and papers of
Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill, tells of an extraordinary
decision making process in which information is collected on
the basis of decisions that preceded them. Richard Clarke
describes a process both before and after 9/11 that was quite
similar. So does Bob Woodward.
My own experience with the President himself, demonstrates
that this President has listened as infrequently to those in
the Congress who know something about homeland security as he
did to our allies or the career American military before
rushing into Iraq.
But any one who has been listening these last few months is
pretty well aware of the fact that we were not vigilant and
were not picking up on clear information of elevated threat
levels prior to 9/11. We did not respond in the summer of
2001 to that threat in the same manner that we responded 18
months earlier when similar threat information triggered a
massive response to the millennium threat. We did not have an
orderly or honest process to measure the pluses and minuses
of invading Iraq. People at the highest levels silenced,
dissent and criticism and irreversible actions were taken
based on flawed information.
We based our plans for security and reconstruction of Iraq
on intelligence from a single organization outside of this
government which both the State Department and the CIA said
was unreliable. Unfortunately, that is all spilt milk. Even
if we understand those mistakes, we can't go back and try it
again.
What I am talking about today is not spilt milk. We can
correct these policy mistakes and we can possibly correct
them in a time frame that will prevent the next attack. It
all depends on whether we are ready to get real.
Now, I am not optimistic by nature. Perhaps it is merely my
nature that leads me to believe that the cauldron that is
today boiling in Southwest Asia, North Africa and the Middle
East will likely spill over once more onto the shores of
North America. If we are not ready, I do not want to look
myself in the mirror for the rest of my life and wonder why I
didn't ask tougher questions or insist on more responsible
and responsive policies. I think the overall performance of
our government to date in the area of homeland security
merits a greater sense of skepticism and urgency on the part
of the press and the general public as well.
We lived in a more dangerous world prior to September 11th
than most Americans realized. Our efforts to making the world
safer have met with mixed results and the numbers of persons
who wish us harm and will go to great lengths to inflict harm
have grown steadily during the past thousand days. Clearly
some of our efforts have done little more than fed the flames
of discontent and hatred.
That places even greater pressure on our last lines of
defense, protecting our borders, our transportation systems
and our capacity to respond to terrorist acts in this country
if, God forbid, they are again committed. But as the facts I
have today outlined well document, those efforts remain under
funded and poorly managed. The President proposed that we
have 20% fewer sky marshals than we had a little more than a
year ago. We have hired only two-thirds the people that the
Patriot Act mandated for protecting our Northern Border. We
have invested one-tenth what is needed to protect our ports.
We have only just begun to take the steps needed to protect
our rail and transit systems. Our first responders have only
a fraction of the tools they need. And worse still, the
agencies that have been entrusted with the responsibilities
are still wallowing in bureaucratic chaos.
As we saw last week the Justice Department and the Homeland
Security Department are still in the business of surprising
each other. Simply hoping that these problems will somehow
work out is not unlike the wishful thinking that many engaged
in as they prepared to invade Iraq. Misinformation and bad
planning can lead to excruciatingly painful results. The time
to reexamine our security, our security budgets and our whole
thinking in this area is now. The Congress must act to put a
stop to this mindless, non-information based approach to
policy and national strategy. It is as likely to prove
catastrophic in the defense of our homeland as it has been in
installing democracy in Iraq.
Congress may control nothing more than the purse strings--
but that is enough. The Congress has all the power it needs
to reopen this discussion, insure that assumptions are well
founded, the information is the best available, the
management is sound and the resources are adequate. What it
will take to significantly improve the systems that protect
this nation is small in the relative scheme of things--a few
tenths of a percent of GDP may be no more than we are now
spending on Iraqi reconstruction and one-twentieth of what
we have handed out in tax breaks. Given the stakes, we
cannot afford to do less.
amendment offered in committee to provide $3 billion more
That is why I offered an amendment in Committee to provide
$3 billion to fix some of the most critical security holes.
Our homeland security agencies could do more with this
additional funding--
They could put more radiation and surveillance monitors at
our borders and ports;
They could increase surveillance on our transit systems;
They could increase surveillance by local police of
critical infrastructure facilities;
They could improve the ability of our police and
firefighters to communicate with each other and be suited
properly;
They could inspect additional containers coming into the
United States;
They could put more air marshals on flights;
They could increase our stockpile of antibiotics;
They could increase air patrols of our borders; and
They could fix some holes in our current aviation security
screening system.
This $3 billion, however, would have only been available to
do this if the President agreed. It is disappointing and
shortsighted that the Committee voted along party lines not
even to give him that choice.
The Chairman of the Committee said during markup that he
would probably support my amendment if he had additional
budget allocation. The budget allocations are severely
restricted because the Administration has decided that tax
cuts and the costs of a war should go hand-in-hand. This
squeezes spending on virtually everything else.
We need to stop being penny-wise and pound-foolish. We need
to push the Department of Homeland Security to make needed
security investment now, so that we can be protected
tomorrow. If we do not make those investments until tomorrow,
our protection may come too late.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to be here to present to the body the fiscal year 2005 Homeland Security Appropriations bill, the second such bill…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to be here to present to the body the fiscal year 2005 Homeland Security Appropriations bill, the second such bill ever written by the Committee on Appropriations.
The bill before us provides $32 billion for the Department of Homeland Security. That is $1.1 billion above the current year, and $496 million above the President's request.
Mr. Chairman, it is very hard to believe that the Department was created just a year ago. There have been growing pains, but tremendous progress has been made. This is not an easy task to get our arms around, but I think the Department is succeeding, and their success is significant.
In just one year, for example, the Department has inventoried the Nation's critical infrastructure to include more than 33,000 facilities. The Department is identifying and reducing vulnerabilities at chemical facilities, nuclear power plants, national monuments, subway and light rail systems, and commercial sites. The Department has streamlined the process used to get the money out to first responders, setting up a one-stop shop. They continue to work with State and local governments to identify choke points so that money can flow quickly and get where it is needed. The Department regularly communicates threat information with State and local officials. Last year, the Department issued 41 warnings and advisory notices to State and local entities.
The Department established a two-way communications system with State and local homeland security personnel. This system was recently used in Kentucky when there was a smallpox scare in the small rural town of London. The information was quickly passed on to the Department and other Federal officials and appropriate action was immediately taken. The system works.
The Department has increased their presence to more than 38 ports in 18 different countries, prescreening all high-risk cargo before it reaches our shores. The Department has established three Homeland Security Centers of Excellence, created standards for first responder equipment, and installed and operated sensor systems in 30 high-risk cities to detect biohazards. Those are just some things that they are doing.
There is no doubt, Mr. Chairman, that more work needs to be done, but the Department is clearly on the right track, identifying our vulnerabilities, matching them to threats, and putting out specific guidance on ways to protect our homeland.
Fiscal year 2005 will be the second full year of operation for the Department. This bill continues the successes of the past year and includes initiatives to move us closer to our goals of prevention, preparedness, and response.
The bill provides $4.1 billion for our first responders, the first line of defense. These brave men and women are the first on the scene whenever there might be a problem. They are the backbone of our communities.
Since 9/11, this Congress has provided $26.7 billion for these first responders. Those dollars have helped train more than 285,000 police, fire, and emergency medical personnel around the Nation to respond to acts of terrorism, including weapons of mass destruction. No community in America, whether urban or rural, is immune from acts of terrorism. This bill strikes a balance between funding high-risk communities and providing support for States and localities, striving to achieve and maintain minimum levels of preparedness. For 2005 we propose an additional $1.175 billion to improve security in our urban and most populated areas.
The United States is the most open nation in the world. Our borders are the gateway for billions of dollars in commercial trade and millions of visitors. However, these same borders are potential entry points for terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. This 2005 bill provides $9.8 billion for border protection and related activities. This funding will continue our efforts to create smart borders that keep terrorists out of America without stemming
the flow of commerce or legitimate travel. Funding will be used to operate and expand the container security initiative. Funding will be used to design and to identify, target, and search high-risk cargo before it enters our ports. We also fund advanced inspection technologies, including personal radiation monitors and detectors.
This legislation fully supports security for all modes of transportation, providing $5.7 billion to the Transportation Security Administration and Federal Air Marshals.
Since September 11, Congress has provided $14.3 billion for aviation security. Funding has been used for a host of purposes, including securing all of the cockpit doors on commercial flights, installing new technically advanced metal detectors at the airports, searching checked bags for explosives, and federalizing the screener workforce. We continue our commitment to aviation security in 2005 and fully fund the baggage and passenger screening efforts, as well as new technology to improve screening procedures at America's airports and giving Federal Air Marshals the funds they need to cover high-threat domestic and international flights.
The bill also includes $118 million for air cargo screening which will support the hiring of 100 new air cargo inspectors, development of new cargo screening technology, and expansion of canine enforcement teams. The bill also requires TSA to double the number of cargo inspections on passenger aircraft.
The bill funds several initiatives for rail security, providing $111 million for grants to high-threat systems, technology to screen passengers and baggage, and furthering intelligence-related activities.
Security assessments for the 14 subway systems and 278 light rail systems have been completed. And this will continue in 2005.
Additional funds are also provided for radiological, political, chemical and high explosives countermeasures to both rail and transit systems. There is $1.1 billion, Mr. Chairman, for the science and technology directorate. We are targeting funds for research, development, and the discovery of new technologies that can and are being used in our cities and towns today, including environmental sensors to detect biohazards and nuclear detection technology for cargo.
We also continue to fully fund research and development for antimissile devices for commercial aircraft, the so-called ``man pads.'' The bill includes $855 million for information analysis and infrastructure protection. These funds will be used to complete an inventory of critical infrastructure, enhance current communication between Federal, State and local homeland security personnel, and assist local communities as they put protective measures in place. Funds will be used to train State homeland security advisors and local law enforcement on best practices for protecting their critical sites.
Finally, Mr. Chairman, this bill fully supports the traditional missions and operations of agencies that were merged into the Department including the Coast Guard, the Secret Service, and, of course, disaster relief. I believe, Mr. Chairman, we have produced the right mix for this Department. It builds upon the progress of the past year and furthers the protection of our beloved homeland.
House of Representatives,
Committee on Appropriations,
Washington, DC, June 15, 2004.
Hon. Bill Thomas,
Chairman, Committee on Ways and Means,
Longworth House Office Building, Washington, DC.
Dear Chairman Thomas: Thank you for your letter regarding
H.R. 4567, the Department of Homeland Security Appropriations
Act for fiscal year 2005. As you have noted, the bill is
scheduled for floor consideration on Wednesday, June 16,
2004. I appreciate your agreement to expedite the passage of
this legislation although it contains a provision involving
overtime pay that falls within the Committee's jurisdiction.
I appreciate your decision to forgo further action on the
bill and acknowledge that it will not prejudice the Committee
on Ways and Means with respect to its jurisdictional
prerogatives on this or similar legislation.
Our committees have worked closely together on this
important initiative, and I am very pleased we are continuing
that cooperation. I appreciate your helping us to move this
legislation quickly to the floor. Finally, I will include in
the Congressional Record a copy of our exchange of letters on
this matter. Thank you for your assistance and cooperation.
We look forward to working with you in the future.
Best regards,
Harold Rogers,
Chairman.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Iowa (Mr. Latham), a very hardworking member of this subcommittee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3\1/2\ minutes to the very distinguished gentleman from New York (Mr. Sweeney), who has been on the subcommittee and a very valuable Member.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman from New York (Mr. Sweeney) for bringing this important matter to the attention of the committee and the Congress. As overseers of homeland defense and security, I believe the committee acted responsibly in supporting the Department's request to make certain geospatial information management falls under the direction of the Chief Information Officer.
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman would continue
to yield, I look forward to working with the gentleman as we move forward and will certainly work to strengthen the report language in conference as events dictate.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Wamp), a very hardworking member of the subcommittee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Fossella).
(Mr. FOSSELLA asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Missouri (Mrs. Emerson), a very hard-working member of this subcommittee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from New York (Mr. King).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon), a member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, the authorizing committee.
(Mr. WELDON of Pennsylvania asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I have no further requests for time, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent that we take up the Weldon amendment now, then the Turner amendment and then the regular order.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman has worked tirelessly on this effort, this amendment, and the SAFER funding, and the committee thinks this is a wise move. Our first responders are in great need, and we depend upon them, and I am happy to accept his amendment.
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman has offered what I consider to be a very helpful amendment. I think it is needed, and we are happy to agree to it. The ranking member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security has been very helpful to us.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman would remain at the desk, I really appreciate the gentleman bringing this issue before us, interoperability of communications amongst our first responders. One of the great lessons we learned, of course, out of 9/11--and the evidence has been ongoing since that time--is to go all out to try to create interoperability. It is a fairly complicated matter, as we now find out, and very expensive.
So the gentleman's amendment that would set aside more money to examine how this can take place really is not necessary, because the Department already has an ongoing operation to collect that data from the States and the communities and the first responder units.
Not all the States, of course, have decided what grant money will be spent on; and, of course, all the data is not yet automated. But the Office for Domestic Preparedness is currently building a master database, it is supposed to be completed in the next few months, to automate all state and local spending details, so we will then have what I think will be a fairly comprehensive inventory of where we are, which is what the gentleman, I think, is seeking in his amendment.
So I would hope, perhaps, that the gentleman might withdraw the amendment, with my assurance that the Department is already involved in exactly what I think he seeks in his amendment.
I yield to the gentleman from Michigan.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, since 2002, we have included language in either the Transportation bill that preceded Homeland Security, and then the Homeland Security bill in 2004, language that limits the number of screeners to no more than 45,000 full-time equivalents. In my judgment, that language is necessary to force TSA to use taxpayer dollars reasonably and efficiently.
When TSA was first organized, it overhired and mismanaged millions of dollars. When they first came to the Congress when it was a part of the Transportation Department, they said we think we can get by with 30,000 screeners. They came back later and said no, we think it is going to be 35,000. Then they came back later and said 40,000, then 45,000, then 50,000, then 55,000. Finally, I said ``Time. Let us talk. What is going on here?'' And others did the same thing.
And so we went through their needs and we were careful to determine the optimum amount of people that would
be necessary to screen our customers at the airports.
During this zealous hiring phase at the outset, many airports, particularly small ones, had TSA employees screening a couple of passengers a day. For example, Clinton County Airport in New York, and I do not want to pick out examples necessarily, but there is no other way to do it; Clinton County Airport in New York had 20 screeners. How many passengers a day did they have? Twelve. Twenty screeners for 12 passengers a day.
Other airports, Massena and Adirondack, both in New York had the same number of screeners as daily passengers. What we had at that time, and people said so, is that TSA was an acronym for Thousands Standing Around, waiting for a passenger that needed to be screened.
Over the last 2 years, this cap has forced TSA to reshape that workforce so that more screeners have now been assigned in high-traffic airports and fewer in small airports, while still maintaining high levels of security. TSA has also begun to hire part-time screeners to work just during the peak hours, and the rest of the day when we do not need them they are not there. TSA recently created a summer plan to mitigate the anticipated effects of a busy travel season, given the size of the screener workforce. They are right sizing even as we speak.
TSA needs to do more. The agency is still too focused on screeners. It is doing a poor job of phasing in new technologies that would reduce our dependence on screeners.
Here are two examples of cost-savings that can result from using technology: Lexington, Kentucky, an airport I fly in and out of each week, invested just $3.5 million to install explosive detection machines in-line, with the conveyor belt, which allowed TSA to use 4 screeners per shift, rather than the 30 that would have been required using explosive trace detection equipment in the lobby. Not only that, people move through quicker.
There are even bigger savings in larger airports. San Francisco predicts that by having a complete in-line explosive detection system, it will require 100 less screeners, saving about $5 million in salaries and compensation each year.
Deleting this cap would be very premature. Instead of forcing TSA to continue to restructure its workforce to handle high-traffic levels at some airports, and to procure new equipment that could greatly reduce our reliance on screeners, this amendment would permit TSA to request an exemption from this cap and return to the days of ``thousands standing around.''
If we delete this cap, Mr. Chairman, 5 years from now I am convinced we will have 70,000-plus screeners and no new technology in place, and we are back to where we were.
The gentleman makes a very good point. The TSA is still operating under the system where they hire nationally. So that when there is a vacancy in San Francisco or New Jersey or where have you, that has to work its way up to the national headquarters, and it is a very inefficient way for TSA to replace people who have quit their job. We are trying to force the Department to at least regionalize the hiring process, and I would like to see it even localized so that we can replace people quickly, but the gentleman makes a good point.
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will yield, I appreciate the gentleman bringing this issue forward, and it is an important issue. But the Science and Tech Directorate of Homeland Security has assured us and the Coast Guard that all elements of the Coast Guard's R&D program will remain under the direct management of the Coast Guard.
I recognize the gentleman's concerns. We will work with him on this subject if the authorization bill retains R&D funding within the Coast Guard for fiscal year 2005.
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order against the amendment because it proposes to change existing law and constitutes legislation in an appropriations bill and therefore violates clause 2 of rule XXI which states in pertinent part, ``an amendment to a general appropriations bill shall not be in order if changing existing law by imposing additional duties.''
I ask for a ruling from the Chair.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition.
Mr. Chairman, in this bill we attempted to be fair to everyone. We do not have all the money in the world. If we did, we could do perhaps what New York wants; but we do not, and we have got a whole country to deal with. There are two basic funds of money that we are talking about. One is the so-called formula funding grant program, and the other is specifically for the high-density, high-threat urban area fund. Two funds. The first one the formula grant program, 40 percent of that money goes to all the States; and everyone gets .75 percent, less than 1 percent of a fund that this year is $760 million total.
But 60 percent of even the formula grant program goes to States that are most populated, and I did some research. The money that went in that fund, in this year's bill, is $1.15 billion. Of the money that goes to New York State, in 2004 New York City got over half of the State money, in addition to the urban grant fund.
Now, fair is fair; and I want to be fair about this. New York City is a target. Everyone admits that. Other large urban areas are targets. Everyone admits that, and we want to help prepare. We want to do all that we can to be sure that New York City and the other large cities have all the monies that we can afford to pay for the Federal portion of what the local fire departments and the police departments and the EMT units and all do routinely. A portion of what they do is the counterterrorism effort that we are paying them for. Most of what they do, of course, are city and local and State duties.
But there is a limit to what we can do. Now, what this amendment does, Mr. Chairman, is take monies out of the formula grants that goes to Kansas, Kentucky and Florida and the other States and puts $450 million out of that account into the urban area's account. We already did a lot of that in the bill. We have already reduced the formula grants, already $450 million below last year's level. And the urban area grants in the bill are $280 million above last year's level. We have already robbed Peter to pay Paul, and now Paul wants more at the expense of Peter.
We have got to be sure that the rest of the country is protected as well. Just because you are not a large urban area does not mean that you are not at risk from terrorist attack. Hundreds of U.S. agricultural documents have been found in the al Qaeda caves in Afghanistan and other places. It has been reported that a significant part of al Qaeda's training manual is devoted to agricultural terrorism, a frightening fact when you recall the reported terrorist interest in crop dusters.
No community is immune from terrorism. We were reminded of that on 9/ 11 when Maine played a major part in the staging of the attack on New York City, little unpopulated Maine. We do not want to ignore Maine again.
In 1984, followers of Bhagwan Shree poisoned salad bars in 10 restaurants in The Dalles in Oregon, population 12,000, the largest germ warfare attack in history.
The terrorists that bombed the World Trade Center in 1993 trained in rural Pennsylvania, 30 miles from Three Mile Island in the months prior to that attack. Timothy McVeigh, who destroyed the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City, planned his attack and purchased the materials in Herrington, Kansas, population 2,500. In January 2000, Yousef Karoun was arrested in Blaine, Washington, population 3,600, after authorities determined he was on the FBI's lookout list and found evidence of nitroglycerin on his vehicle. United Airlines Flight 93 crashed into Shanksville, Pennsylvania, population 245, after being hijacked. Local fire departments quickly responded. In the fall of 2001, two people linked to an international terrorist group were arrested in Beecher Falls, Vermont, population 238, after attempting to cross the border.
In September 2002 a suspected terrorist cell was broken up in Lackawanna, New
York, a city south of Buffalo, population 20,000. Five convictions. And on and on and on.
Mr. Chairman, we have treated the urban areas in this bill better than we did in the current year, and we cut the formula funding for the rest of the country by a huge amount in this bill. We think we have already treated the urban areas fairly. If we had more money, we could treat them even better; but with what we have, we think we have treated them fairly. I would urge Members to reject this amendment.
Parliamentary Inquiry
Mr. Chairman, I appreciate the gentleman's statement very much, and he is exactly correct. We love New York City. I cannot wait to go there for the convention in a few weeks.
But let me just say this: In the High Density Urban Area Grant Program out of which New York will receive a good sum of money, we are almost at the President's recommended level. We are at $1.175 billion, which is almost twice what it is now. We have almost doubled the money in that account.
In addition to that, the State of New York--and New York City will get roughly half of the money that goes to New York State. That kitty is $750 million. It only leaves $500 million for everybody else. Give me a break.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for his statement.
Now, there is $900 million in the high-threat, high-density urban area grant program. There is also $100 million in the rail and transit security. That would go to the big cities, would it not?
And is there not $125 million for port security? The last time I checked the ports were in large cities, were they not?
Then we restored the $50 million for the metropolitan medical response system. Metropolitan means large city, does it not?
So when you add all of those moneys together, this bill is chock full of money for the big cities; is that not correct?
Mr. Chairman, do they mention Columbus, Ohio?
Mr. Chairman, if the gentleman will yield further, I think we are all in agreement on the idea that the moneys eventually should go based on threat and risk assessment. We are all headed in that direction. I am trying to push the Department, certainly by the end of this year, to establish minimum essential requirements for every community so that everyone, based on a graduated size of the community, would have requirements to be prepared, based on the threat that faces that particular community.
That is a really complex undertaking. But it is being undertaken. Hopefully, the 2005 moneys we are appropriating will be spent based on that plan. It is not quite in place yet. That way, we would all be satisfied, rural, big city, medium-sized city, what have you. If you are a city of 5,000 people, there is not much preparation perhaps you need, unless you are near a nuclear power plant or a big dam close by or what have you, which can be modified in that fashion. If you are a large city, a New York, a Washington, a Seattle, obviously you are going to get lots of money. But we are all headed toward the same direction.
I do not want us to get sidetracked, as we seem to be doing with this debate, pitting region against region. That is not right. We are all one country.
If the gentleman will yield further, there are other threats besides Osama bin Laden. As I earlier said, and perhaps the gentleman was not here at the time, there are all sorts of groups out there that have already caused harm, in such places as The Dalles, Oregon, population 12,000.
Timothy McVeigh, who bought his materials in Harrington, Kansas, population 2,500. So there are all sorts of threats out there in cities of all sizes.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentlewoman yield?
Mr. Chairman, briefly, since the gentlewoman says the Mayor is listening and says he only got $90 million in 2003, the figures that I have are different.
The city in 2003 received $256 plus million, and I will get back with the gentlewoman on 2004 in a minute.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. I thank the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) and his staff for their hard work in producing the legislation we have today. President…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I thank the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) and his staff for their hard work in producing the legislation we have today. President Bush's 2005 homeland security budget request fell far short; and while this bill is an improvement, and that it is, I am concerned that it does not go far enough to close troubling homeland security gaps.
The committee followed a logical plan in distributing the $32 billion allocation. However, this measure does not provide the resources needed to significantly improve our ability to detect terrorist activities or to respond to an attack. The committee was forced to make trade-offs among programs to improve disaster preparedness and response, immigration services, and programs to stop terrorists. As a result, we have some worrisome gaps.
The first responder funding cuts, this funding cut for local fire, police, and emergency personnel, is one of my biggest concerns. With cuts in fire grants and deep cuts in formula funds to most States, overall the bill provides $327 million less for first responders than was enacted in 2004. While funding to certain high-threat urban areas is increased, the fact is that this increase comes at the expense of the rest of the country. If these cuts hold, next year most States and localities will end up with less homeland security funding than they have today.
This bill comes just weeks after the American people saw live television coverage of the Attorney General and the FBI Director giving us alarming warnings of imminent terrorist attacks. At their press conference, Mr. Ashcroft said that our own intelligence and al Qaeda public statements indicated that it is almost ready to attack the United States and that they intend to hit us hard. This week an alleged al Qaeda operative was indicted for plotting to blow up a shopping mall in Ohio.
If terrorists attack us again, our local police, firefighters, and emergency workers will be the first on the scene. It frustrates me that there is little sense of urgency to ensure that these first responders have the tools that they need to do their jobs. This legislation also fails to address other critical homeland security issues.
Two of my chief concerns are the inadequate inspection of cargo carried on passenger planes and the lax Federal oversight of chemical plant security practices. Unlike passenger baggage, the cargo on passenger aircraft is not rigorously inspected, even though it is carried in the same hold. Furthermore, cargo carried on all cargo aircraft is not inspected at all. I am also troubled that the administration continues to have inadequate chemical plant security policies. For the most part, vulnerability assessments and security plans are left to the plant owners' consciences.
Last, I would like to point out a bill provision concerning the CAPPS2 air passenger prescreening system that TSA is developing and may be testing later this year. This provision updates last year's bill by requiring the Secretary to certify, and the General Accounting Office to review, the certification that all eight security and privacy criteria are met before the passenger profiling system can be deployed. In its first review in February, the GAO found that TSA had met only one of the eight criteria.
The new language also specifically mandates that GAO review the CAPPS2 methodology that is intended to predict whether a passenger could be a terrorist. This element is the most sensitive aspect of CAPPS2 with broad implications for Americans' privacy and civil liberties.
In closing, I am concerned that this bill continues, does not do more to close the troubling homeland security gaps. The American people demand our best efforts to protect the country from those who would do us harm, and the Congress should be more aggressive in challenging the administration where it falls short.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 10 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), the ranking member of the full committee.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Price), a distinguished member of our committee, and friend.
(Mr. Price of North Carolina asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 15 seconds to my friend the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Price).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Let me say to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Wamp), I think I know a little bit about budgets, having spent some time doing that, at a time when we passed budgets that reduced the deficit and we had some tough requirements on spending, and raised revenues to make the deficits go down.
The reality is that the most important decision in a budget resolution is the total amount set for discretionary spending. That then governs the decisions we have to make on this bill and the other 12 bills that we have before the Congress. If that budget resolution has an unrealistic number for the total discretionary spending, it limits every option we have.
I think I and others have been clear that this bill represents an improvement over what the President asked for, that it has reasonable choices within the dollar allotment that this committee has given. I think the chairman has done an excellent job. I would not share his enthusiasm for how good the Department is going, but he is also tough on them at many times.
But there is also one other thing that we do, and that is we say there are certain expenditures that are emergencies and go above and beyond the normal budget process. Since 9/11, we have appropriated billions of dollars as emergency expenditures for our friends in New York, for operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, I think with unanimity on the expenditures in Afghanistan, division over our operation in Iraq, but then again significant support for our troops whether we agreed or disagreed with that policy.
Just the other day in appropriations, we appropriated $25 billion more of emergency spending beyond the normal defense appropriation for next year for operations in the Middle East, and we know that number is going to increase. What some of us are saying is that there are significant security gaps that we should deal with in this country and we should have a modest amount as emergency spending.
The gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) asked for $3 billion for rational things to do, disciplined things to do, in comparison to the billions and billions we are spending outside this country. That is legitimate debate. It is legitimate options that we could do, and some are choosing not to do that. If we declared it emergency and appropriated that $3 billion, it could not be spent unless the President decided to spend it.
So what we are talking about here is not irrelevant, it is important and there are distinct differences; and those differences do not diminish our respect for the quality of work done by the chairman and the subcommittee.
I would just suggest do not belittle the opinions of lots of people in this place that there are significant security gaps in domestic security, echoed by all kinds of experts outside this institution that we are not dealing with.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Olver), a member of the full committee.
(Mr. OLVER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Turner) who has done an outstanding job as the ranking member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Green).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio), a member of the authorizing committee for a significant part of this bill.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1 minute to the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Wynn).
(Mr. WYNN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey).
Mr. Chairman, unrelated to the gentleman from Pennsylvania's amendment, I think the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Turner) had an amendment right prior to that, and I think he was standing right here.
I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Turner) be allowed to offer his amendment after the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon).
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I support the amendment, and I am ready to vote.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I congratulate the gentleman on a very good amendment. It is a much needed study.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I suppose if it were an ideal world, I would prefer not to have staffing caps and would like to think I could trust an agency to manage the staffing.
There is nothing about TSA that gives me that confidence. I have dealt with endless agencies over the years. I have never dealt with one more frustrating to deal with in all my years of public service than
Mr. Chairman, I have a parliamentary inquiry.
I just want to make sure where we are in the bill. Let me describe the problem. I think the last number read was the number on the bottom of page 22. The gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee) had an amendment that would have come after that but before the top of page 23; but I think, in fact, the current amendment is amending the number on the top of page 23.
After this amendment?
I thank the Chair.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to the amendment. Mr. Chairman, I join everyone else in congratulating the New York/New Jersey delegation on their enthusiasm and their vigor. This Congress has responded. It has promised New York in a rather dramatic fashion post-9/11. But let us be clear about what we are doing today. We are very substantially reducing the funding for local responders, fire, police, emergency personnel all over the country. We are doing that before this amendment and dramatically more if this amendment is adopted. The basic formula grant in 2004 was $1.690 billion. Under this bill it is $1.250 billion, a drop of $440 million. This amendment would reduce it by another $446 million. The Urban Area Security Initiative, $721 million last year, $1 billion, under this bill, already an increase of
$279 million plus another $446 million under this amendment for more than a doubling of this program, while the other program would be virtually cut in half, that deals with the balance of the country, most of the rural and moderate size communities in this country and many fairly large size communities.
Another thing that sort of strikes me in all this discussion, I hear about the initial grants in proportion of grantees that happened later on and that some terrible thing happened because the numbers increased. I recall that first grant by the agency. I asked them a question: What were the criteria they used to distribute these funds? I waited and waited and waited for an answer. I talked to a high up official, and they said, We will see you in a week, and I would wait another month or two. I am still waiting. We finally did have a briefing before the second round of grants were awarded, at which point we had some criteria. But this is no great science. I wish we had this total understanding where threats were in this country. Clearly large urban areas like New York, like the District of Columbia, are threats. But so are many other parts of this country. And in many parts of the country, the need for technical assistance, for training, for specialized equipment, it is probably more substantial than it is even in some of our larger urbanized areas. And these formula funds do not flow out willy-nilly sort of around the country. We have to develop a State plan and a regional plan to get these funds.
So it is not a dab here and a dab there. But States have to work at it; local communities have to work at it. They have to have regional approaches. They have to use these funds where they make sense to deal and respond to real projected threats.
So, Mr. Chairman, I wish we had all the money we needed. The fact is the base bill in total has some reduction in funding for local responders. The basic formula grant would be further reduced in a significant fashion by this amendment, while the urban security initiative, which is already receiving an increase, would have a substantial increase.
I do not think that is fair. I think we need to be fair to the totality of our country. In my judgment, the base bill, if anything, is skewed too much in changing money away from the basic formula grant. So I would urge defeat of this amendment.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. (Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.) Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
(Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding me the customary 30 minutes.
Mr. Speaker, much is being said about how tight fiscal restraints are this year. We know that is so, but it is not an excuse for our current budget constraints. Just a few years ago, the Federal Government had a budget surplus of $3 trillion. Today, the government is facing historic deficits upward of $7 trillion. Bad fiscal policy has hamstrung the Federal Government's abilities to invest the sums necessary to protect the Nation from terrorism. The tight budget numbers are the result of tax giveaways to people who least need it, the people that the ``Oracle of Omaha,'' Warren Buffett, has said owe the most to the country and pay far too little.
It is good for the Nation that overall funding for the Department of Homeland Security has increased. However, the increase is not enough. The cost of securing the Nation is high, but throwing dollars at the threat is not the solution. We must spend homeland security funds wisely, and all homeland security activities must be coordinated within the department itself and with State and local governments.
But well into its second year, the department is still underachieving. Several years into our own war on terrorism, the department has not developed a comprehensive threat vulnerability assessment. How can we protect the people of this country when we act blindly without this basic information necessary to develop and implement a comprehensive homeland security plan?
Recent reports have shown that airports are not any safer despite the creation of Transportation Security Administration. There is no coordination of homeland security functions along the southern or along the northern border.
I represent the second busiest gateway between the United States and Canada, and the need to increase the resources along the over 4,000- mile border between the U.S. and Canada is great. For years, little attention was paid to our northern border. But if we are to maintain the $1 billion a day trade between the United States and
Canada while maintaining U.S. safety and security, we have to provide the resources to do it. We must create a northern border coordinator to ensure our dollars are invested prudently and that Federal, State and local authorities are working together.
I am extremely troubled by the $300 million cut to funding for our first-responders, the people on the ground valiantly protecting our communities with too few resources and lots of overtime. How can we justify cutting funding for police officers, firefighters and EMTs, who are the first people on the scene to respond to a terrorist attack? Money has been awarded to States and localities, but the process is so cumbersome and lengthy that local governments have difficulty actually spending the first-responder grant money.
It is also imperative that we take threat, vulnerability, and strategic importance into account when we allocate the first-responder dollars. High threat areas with high population densities certainly deserve attention and dollars. Areas of strategic importance need and deserve Federal assistance. And, as I mentioned, the border crossings at Buffalo and Niagara Falls are the second busiest portals between the United States and Canada. This entry port is tactically important to the security of the United States. Terrorists could use this entrance to gain access to the country or use the bridges as a means to slip weapons into the country. Western New York's strategic position and role are vital to national safety. Such areas need the resources to secure the northern border without disrupting the important commerce between the United States and Canada.
Mr. Speaker, another issue that greatly bothers me, and is an insult to every taxpayer in this country, are the corporate expatriates, American companies that incorporate abroad in order to skip out on their tax obligations to this country. These corporations earn millions of dollars from the Federal Government. According to the General Accounting Office, corporate expatriates cost this country an estimated $5 billion in lost tax dollars, and yet they continue to receive $2.7 billion in government contracts. That is a disgrace.
Accenture, the scion of Arthur Andersen of infamous Enron fame, recently received a $10 billion contract to build a foreign traveler tracking system known as US-VISIT. During committee consideration of the homeland security appropriations, the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro) and the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Berry) offered an amendment to ensure that companies incorporated outside the United States for tax purposes could not enter into contracts with the Department of Homeland Security. It makes sense. The DeLauro-Berry amendment would void the Accenture contract by barring any contracts with corporate expatriates before, on or after the date of enactment.
H. Res. 675 protects the first part of the DeLauro-Berry amendment, which will probably disappear in conference, but it specifically refuses to protect the second provision in the amendment that would invalidate the $10 billion contract with Accenture.
Bloomberg News reported that Accenture posted increases in American earnings from $247.3 billion in 2002 to $566.9 billion in 2003, doubled in one year, while the company reduced its tax liability to $143 million from $382 million. During that same time period, Federal procurement records show that in 2002 Accenture benefited from Federal contracts worth $450 million, of which $250 million were related to military or homeland security functions, another disgrace.
At this time, when unemployment levels have remained consistent since December 2003, it is important that we as public servants and as agents of the Federal Government do everything we can to keep jobs in this country. We should not reward companies that incorporate outside the United States in order to avoid Federal taxes.
Think of the advantage it gives them in bidding against American companies. Expatriate corporations like Accenture have a huge structural advantage over companies that stay in America, employ Americans and pay their fair share of taxes. It is our duty to support the American companies. Giving the largest contract yet awarded by the Department of Homeland Security to an expatriate company contradicts the principles and ideals that I was sent here to uphold.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Berry).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Doggett).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 6 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey), the ranking member of the Committee on Appropriations.
(Mr. OBEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks, and include extraneous material.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Sabo), the ranking member of the Subcommittee on Homeland Security of the Committee on Appropriations.
Mr. Speaker, how much time remains?
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Turner).
Mr. Speaker, does the gentleman have any further speakers?
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume to close.
Mr. Speaker, when the previous question is called I will ask for a no vote. It seems that hardly a day goes by that we do not turn on television and hear some new report on a terrorist plot around the world. Some of the most recent reports have indicated terrorists may be planning attacks in the United States this summer. Just the other day authorities arrested a man in Ohio allegedly planning to blow up a shopping mall.
With news like this it is little wonder that the security of our Nation weighs heavily on the minds of our constituents. Unfortunately, the bill before us today does not provide an adequate level of funding to give our communities the resources that they need to keep America and its people safe. Excluding Project BioShield, the Homeland Security appropriations bill barely keeps up with inflation, and it even cuts funding for programs to help our police, firefighters and emergency personnel 7 percent.
How do we expect to keep our Nation secure when we are cutting funding for the very people tasked with keeping our constituents safe.
It does not have to be this way, Mr. Speaker. Last night at the Committee on Rules, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) brought forth a very important and responsible amendment that would have provided an additional $3 billion to the Department of Homeland Security in a contingent emergency reserve. As the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) pointed out in his testimony, this money could be used to increase the number of air marshals on planes or to address the problems in our current aviation security screening system.
It could provide for more radiation and surveillance monitors at our borders and ports and allow for increased inspection of shipping containers coming into the country. It could be used to increase surveillance in our transit systems and to improve communications between police, firefighters and other first responders.
Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, we will not get a chance to vote on more money for security at our borders or on our transit systems or for our first responders because the amendment by the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey) was defeated on a straight party line vote.
So today, Mr. Speaker, I urge Members to vote no on the previous question. If the previous question is defeated, I will offer an amendment to the rule that will make in order the amendment of the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Obey). This fund represents a tiny fraction of the money that has gone towards rebuilding Iraq. I do not think it is asking too much to make sure that our own Nation is fully protected and that emergency monies are available should they be needed.
In the 2 years since the creation of the Homeland Security Department, we have found a number of areas that need more resources. The monies contained in the contingency fund could provide a much- needed shot in the arm for these programs and services that may have vulnerabilities. Mr. Speaker, this should not be a partisan issue. The safety of our Nation and its citizens is of utmost importance to all of us in this House.
Today this Congress can put aside partisanship and act to protect America's homeland by giving the Department of Homeland Security the additional resources provided in the Obey amendment to meet our most urgent security concerns.
I am confident that all Americans and all Members of this House support that sentiment. So I urge Members on both sides of the aisle to vote no on the previous question.
Let me emphasize that a no vote will not stop the House from taking up the Homeland Security appropriations bill. It will not prevent other amendments from being offered under this rule. However, a yes vote will prevent the House from considering this badly-needed amendment to create an emergency contingency fund for homeland security and preserve that department's ability to more fully protect Americans against terrorism.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of the amendment immediately prior to the vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I urge Members to vote no on the previous question and yield the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
I thank the ranking member for yielding me this time, and I appreciate the work that the chairman and the ranking member have done on this bill. Mr. Chairman, all of us in this Chamber know that we…
I thank the ranking member for yielding me this time, and I appreciate the work that the chairman and the ranking member have done on this bill.
Mr. Chairman, all of us in this Chamber know that we have to work together in a bipartisan way to make the homeland as safe as it needs to be from the threat of terrorism. We also know that we are a country at war against al Qaeda and related groups. It is a war that demands we fight the terrorists wherever they exist. It is a war that demands we commit ourselves through our actions abroad to prevent the rise of future terrorists. And it is a war that requires us to ensure that our homeland is fully protected.
This cannot be business as usual. We must act with the same sense of urgency that we all had after September 11. As we look at these appropriations for the next year, our actions will demonstrate to the American people whether we are moving with the degree of speed that we need and the sense of purpose that we must have to protect our country.
The proposed increase for the Department of about $1 billion above the President's request is important and necessary, but we must put that $1 billion in perspective. We spend $1 billion a week in Iraq. We have committed our troops to winning that war. But we must also win the war against terrorism here at home. The cost of failure here at home would far exceed the investments we should be making to ensure that America is as secure as it needs to be.
Annual spending on homeland security still amounts to less than one- half of 1 percent of the gross domestic product. Since 9/11, we have increased the level of annual spending on the agencies that now make up the Department of Homeland Security by about $15 billion. During that same period, the annual increase in our defense budget has been about $100 billion. We must devote the resources we need to win the war on terror abroad, but we must also invest in the homeland security needs we have here at home.
The truth is, Mr. Chairman, the President's request, and this appropriations bill, will not close critical security gaps that we continue to face. For example:
This bill fails to provide the additional $200 million needed to ensure that nuclear materials and dirty bombs can be detected at all of our seaports and border crossings by next year;
It fails to provide sufficient funding--at least $1 billion--to improve the security of our rail and public transit systems;
It fails to provide over $400 million that the Coast Guard says it needs to protect our Nation's ports.
It does not provide sufficient funds for airports across the country to upgrade or install explosive detection systems;
It does not provide the $100 million needed to increase the number of personnel who guard our Nation's northern and southern borders; and
It fails to provide the needed communications, equipment and training for our Nation's first responders.
Later today, we will consider an amendment by Mr. Obey of the Appropriations Committee that seeks to add $3 billion in additional resources to correct these and other shortfalls. I strongly urge all of my colleagues to support this amendment.
In the war against al Qaeda, we must provide ALL the resources required to protect the homeland. We cannot fail on any front. However, the total amount proposed for the Department of Homeland Security for next fiscal year will not meet our constitutional responsibility to provide for the common defense.
Mr. Chairman, the limitations imposed on our homeland security efforts is a direct function of choices that we make. If we want to take faster and stronger action to close the security gaps we face, we could do so. The American people are watching the choices we make and if the terrorists strike again and we are not ready we will be held accountable.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment which I bring before the committee is one that has been supported by many Members, particularly the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Reyes), the gentleman from California (Mr. Hunter), the distinguished ranking subcommittee member, the gentleman from (Mr. Sabo); and I want to especially thank the chairman, the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers), for working with us on this amendment to craft it in a fashion that was acceptable.
We all know that securing our borders while maintaining the flow of people and commerce is one of the central challenges of our new Department of Homeland Security. We are clearly investing in technology to achieve our goals, but we all know that technology alone can never do the job. It takes people.
We know that people inspect packages and cargo coming into our country; people run the new programs, like the U.S. Visit Program, which has recently been awarded by the Department; people patrol the thousands of miles of our southern and northern borders; people detain and apprehend drug dealers and terrorists and criminal aliens.
Since 9/11, the demands upon these border personnel have increased substantially. We know that the new Department of Homeland Security continues to fail to meet the demands of controlling our borders, as evidenced by the 7 to 12 million people that are estimated to be undocumented immigrants in our country and by the continuing reports of our porous southern and northern borders. The amendment we offer today would help address these significant security gaps.
When inspectors from our former Customs Service and the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the agents from the Border Patrol were all merged into the new Department of Homeland Security, each former agency was operating under a pre-9/11 staffing model that reflected the missions of those agencies at that time. Since then, our frontline officers are working longer hours, dealing with new security threats and helping to implement new border security programs. The men and women on our frontlines are working hard to meet this new challenge, and we have an obligation to help them.
This amendment supports our frontline officers by commissioning an independent study to try to answer the central question, how many people do we need on our front lines to secure our Nation's borders while moving people and cargo across our borders in a reasonable amount of time? This study would take into consideration a variety of factors: threat and vulnerability information, the impact of the implementation of new technology, and the wait times that we know exist.
Mr. Chairman, we need to know how many people we need to have on the frontline. The cost of not doing this study would far outweigh the $450,000 set aside in this amendment, transferred from the Bureau of Customs and Border Protection from the Department's Headquarters Management Account.
This amendment has the support of a diverse group, including the National Border Patrol Council, the 18,000 frontline inspectors who make up the National Immigration and Naturalization Service Council, the American Federation of Government Employees, as well as the American Immigration Lawyers Association.
We must do all we can, Mr. Chairman, in this time of war against al Qaeda, to ensure that our borders are as secure as they need to be.
I want to thank the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) for working with this and supporting us on this amendment, and I appreciate also the language to be included as report language in support of this amendment.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
I yield to the gentleman from Minnesota.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
I want to thank the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio) for his leadership on this very critical issue, and I am glad to see that we have good people on all sides of this issue tonight.
I joined with the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio) in offering this amendment. I do agree with the ranking member that when this screening cap was put in place more than a year ago, we were looking at a TSA that was a bureaucracy out of control. It had hired more than 60,000 screeners, and it was still growing. There was no clear strategy or budget plan. It was unknown how much technology would help in moving people and baggage through screening checkpoints. So at that time, the cap made a lot of sense, and it certainly sent a very strong message to the Department.
Today, however, we have a very different situation. TSA has met, to a large extent, demanding congressional requirements and has its leadership and budget team in place. As a testament to the public's trust in air safety, air traffic has increased dramatically. Yet we have the same screener cap in place, and it is impeding the ability of the Department to manage a growing passenger load.
Many Americans are all too familiar with the long security lines at airports. Many of us travel and see those long lines. I see them regularly at Reagan airport. Many see it at Dulles. I also see them at the Houston airport.
What is less obvious than the long lines is the damage that screener understaffing is doing to aviation security. I have had a chance to talk to some of the airline screeners in Houston who are afraid to openly acknowledge the way their operations are run. When the lines get too long, they simply push people through. That kind of conduct does not build confidence in airport security and certainly is demoralizing to those who work so diligently to protect the public at our airports.
The General Accounting Office has reported that staffing shortfalls have prevented the TSA from checking or sending checked baggage through electronic screening, and we have heard from screeners over and over again that passenger lines get longer, and the pressure that I mentioned is on them to move the passengers through faster. According to many media accounts, even though TSA regulations require four screeners per checkpoint, staffing shortfalls have, in some cases, reduced that to two.
In legislation that I joined the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Markey) in introducing recently, we would require TSA to conduct a comprehensive study of its staffing needs so that Congress could provide the appropriate resources. Determining the right mix of full- time and part-time screeners and developing a model to measure the staffing needs at every airport is long overdue.
I understand TSA will have such a study completed shortly. If this study reveals the need for more screeners, we
should not tie the Department's hands with an arbitrary cap; and keep in mind, if we do not lift this cap, it is likely to remain in place for at least the next 15 months.
By eliminating the cap now, we are one step closer to making sure that the changes that need to be made in our airports can happen quickly when they are needed.
I urge my colleagues to join with us in supporting this amendment.
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Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for the time. Mr. Chairman, I rise in general support. I really want to acknowledge the very difficult and great work by the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for the time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in general support. I really want to acknowledge the very difficult and great work by the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) and the ranking member, and as a member of this subcommittee, as a member of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, this is a tough, tough, tough piece of work to put together, and I rise to acknowledge that. Everybody knows where I come from. I come from the State that absorbed one of the greatest hits in the history of this country. So there are real challenges here that have real life consequences.
The gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) is one who has gotten that, and I wanted to recognize and I think he in this bill has attempted to bring and indeed has brought as balanced an approach as we could expect in this process, and as he said, this is an evolving process, and we may have some honest disagreements among friends, but we are united on the general principles. This bill does do an awful lot of accomplishing some of the things that we need.
I rise for the purpose of engaging in a colloquy with the chairman as well. I want to thank him for participating in that, and I want to address a significant issue related to the Department of Homeland Security. That is the geospatial management issue which is a critical tool in providing homeland security.
Mr. Chairman, I applaud the gentleman's work, the committee's work and the administration in providing due attention to geospatial technologies.
Satellite imagery, aerial photography and other geospatial technologies provide data to quickly visualize activity patterns, map location and provide information to conduct analyses to help prevent or lessen the impact from an emergency situation.
Mr. Chairman, there is no single office in DHS responsible for geospatial management and, therefore, no corresponding budget. In the present structure, the geospatial information officer does not have the authority to compel DHS directorates to cooperate.
Geospatial coordination will help end duplication of geospatial activities.
A geospatial management office needs to be created and codified within DHS under the Chief Information Officer.
I am pleased to see report language stating clear and concise policy direction is needed for geospatial information and technology efforts.
Under the gentleman from Kentucky's (Chairman Rogers) leadership, this committee supports the Department's request of $5 million to create a Department-wide geographic information system capability under the direction of the Chief Information Officer.
I would like to personally thank the gentleman for that and many other efforts in this bill and for the last several years and for his support and assistance.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
I thank the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers). As this process continues, I hope a geospatial information office is created, with a corresponding budget, at DHS.
Would the gentleman agree to work with me during conference to strengthen report language to direct the Secretary to create the Office of Geospatial Management within the CIO's office to oversee the geospatial activities?
I thank the chairman for all of his work, and let me just say, this is a tough, tough bit of work we have to do, an important debate, and we have one of the best at the helm, leading us in it.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I want to as well applaud and acknowledge the work of the subcommittee chairman on this funding for the SAFER Act. It is something that we worked together with the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer) and others through the subcommittee process, through the full committee markup. It is an important piece, an important effort. The $50 million is going to go a long way to maintain and preserve some essential services in some of the key and critical areas. And it was not an easy thing to do, and I think it is important. I am strongly in support of this.
Last year Congress enacted a new authorization as part of fiscal year 2004 DOD, an authorization bill known as the SAFER Act. It provided funds to hire up to 75,000 new firefighters. These are people critically needed in important places.
When I spoke earlier, Mr. Chairman, I talked about how balanced this was, how tough this bill was, how there were some really tough decisions in it, and this is a chairman who worked hard to find the right balances and find the right equities, and here is an instance where he did that, and I want to applaud him for that.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I had hoped to introduce two amendments tonight that I think go to the core of what is our fundamentally greatest challenge as it relates to protecting the homeland, and that is to provide a proper structure within which the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Government can properly and appropriately respond to the threats and risks that are presented out there unbiased, focused on the idea that the resources we have have to be directed to the places that are of greatest threat and at greatest risk.
The first amendment that I attempted to offer would have changed the formula, a formula that is pre-September 11, a formula that provides funding to jurisdictions regardless of the risk and the threat that it faces. I will quote one of my colleagues, one of the great members of the committee.
The gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Wamp) said this bill, this funding proposition is not about cost sharing with local and State governments because we cannot meet all of those needs. I agree with him. We cannot meet all of those needs.
But this is about meeting the legitimate, precise and efficient needs of this Nation to protect its citizens. Our enemies, al Qaeda, the terrorist network, have something in common with us: They have finite resources, as do we. But one of the advantages that they have had is they are specifically targeted and are targeting their efforts to maximize the impact on the American people and the threat they present to us.
Therefore, Mr. Chairman, I propose this amendment in which we will transfer back to the President's budget number $446 million to the high threat fund that was established in the fiscal year 2003 supplemental.
The reason we need to do that is because we are actually slipping over the last couple of years in terms of the funds that we are sending out to meet the needs in the communities that are our greatest threat.
I will point to a couple of things. The national average per capita is $7.59; and, yet, jurisdictions like California, Texas, New York, Florida, and Illinois all are below $6, all in the $5 range in terms of what funding they are receiving through the formulation.
Now, we cannot vote on that particular part of activity in this amendment, but we can do something about it to give the Department itself the kind of flexibility and the Secretary the kind of flexibility he would need over the 2005 budget cycle to best protect the people of this Nation, and the Department is asking us to do this.
I will point to the statement of administration policy just released earlier today, and I will quote from it: ``The administration believes that the programs funded through the Department of Homeland Security should be better targeted toward terrorism preparedness. The bill does not provide the request to double funding for the risk-based Urban Area Security Initiative, UASI, program, but instead provides funding above the requested level for the basic State and local formula grant program.''
Mr. Chairman, there is a lot of work that needs to be done in the next couple of years, certainly in the next year. I think we ought to give Tom Ridge and the Department what they need, what they have requested, what they need in the coming year in order to best ensure that this Nation is indeed protected. The net result of what we have established here in Congress over the last 3 years is a reduction.
For example, I know the gentleman from New York (Mr. Fossella) was on the floor earlier and talked about the needs of New York City. Let me say that New York City spends a billion dollars a year on security in counterterrorism intelligence; and, yes, they have received some money, $300 million to New York State, I think, in 2003; but do you know what they received last year, Mr. Chairman? $50 million, a 70 percent reduction from the year before.
When James Comey came from the U.S. Attorney's office to talk about Jose Padilla the other day, it did not seem to me there was a 73 percent reduction in New York City. It seemed to me they are in the bull's eye, as are other jurisdictions; and we need to make sure that the Secretary and the Department have the appropriate tools to do their job.
The President has asked us to do this. It is enacted in the President's budget. You can look on page 147 of that budget. You can read their statement. Secretary Ridge to the 9/11 commission and repeatedly to the Senate and to the House has asked for that kind of flexibility. We ought to be giving him that kind of flexibility. This Congress ought not to be micromanaging the Department of Homeland Security. I think most of us agree on that, but we ought to be providing them the proper tools and resources with which they can do their job. That is what this amendment proposes. It gives them what they have asked for in their budget, and I ask my fellow Members to support that.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
I thank the ranking member for the work done and the chairman. Mr. Chairman, I know this is a hard task. As a member of the authorizing committee, the Select Committee on Homeland Security, I would…
I thank the ranking member for the work done and the chairman.
Mr. Chairman, I know this is a hard task. As a member of the authorizing committee, the Select Committee on Homeland Security, I would just simply say that the greatest challenge is to secure the homeland; and in the backdrop of the 9/11 Commission reports, we find out that the FAA did not readily have the ability to contact the United States military when the airplanes were in the air. But I think what is most important is that we secure homelands outside of the Beltway. We need more money for a citizen corps, to establish them in our neighborhoods, which is an amendment that I have. The Houston Community College, which I support, my colleague from Texas wants and needs more money for training of first responders. I think it is imperative that we engage historically black colleges and community colleges that serve Hispanics and African Americans to train them in these issues. And I think it is clearly vital for us to realize that with a number of border initiatives, there needs to be more resources utilized not only for the idea of protecting the border but when you have them under adjudication. And so I believe that we need more money, frankly, and we need more money for threat assessment for these larger communities.
Mr. Chairman, I rise to discuss the Homeland Security Appropriation Act of 2005, H.R. 4567, and express important concerns on this important funding.
It is imperative that this body provide the $16 million necessary for the construction of the Houston Community College Public Safety Institute. I want to take this opportunity to thank Congressman Gene Green in particular on taking the lead on this vital issue. It was through his leadership that this request was originally made to the Subcommittee on Homeland Security on the Appropriations Committee.
I also want to commend Subcommittee Chairman Harold Rogers, Ranking Member Martin Sabo and all the Members of the Subcommittee for the work and effort they put in to make sure that our Homeland Security efforts are properly funded. However, if we are to demonstrate to the American people that after the horrendous attacks of September 11th that the American government is truly taking a comprehensive approach to Homeland Security then initiatives such as the Public Safety Institute (PSI) must be undertaken.
It is vitally important that facilities and services at the local level be properly prepared to deal with emerging Homeland Security needs. In this vein, Community Colleges and HBCUs can serve as perhaps the ultimate ground for protection of local communities. These educational facilities have campuses and the facilities necessary to help train and incorporate first responders, who are crucial in the area of Homeland Security.
While we take many measures on the Federal and State level to ensure Homeland Security, we must also make certain that the security needs at the local level are met. It is with this knowledge in mind that the Houston Community College (HCC) seeks to construct the PSI both for the Homeland Security needs of the city of Houston and as a model for effective vigilance at the local level.
In the city of Houston, one of the largest, most populated, and most active cities in America, there is no doubt that the PSI is necessary. In fact, Houston is the only city in America that meets each of the 15 Federal threat criteria for a terrorist attack. We cannot allow the people of Houston or any major city in America to have their public safety compromised.
In a judiciary markup of the First Responder bill, H.R. 3266, I intended to offer an amendment to better assure that States fulfill their responsibilities to provide Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI) funds to local entities, governments, and first responders in a timely manner.
Based on recent experience with the rounds of UASI funding that has passed through States, many UASI designees have experienced great difficulty in accessing and spending their funding.
For example, the Houston metropolitan area still is awaiting its Round 2 UASI sub-recipient agreement from Texas. Without that State action, the city and counties cannot finalize their bids and execute contracts for equipment and training already identified and approved in their regional strategic plan. That is nearly $20 million being held up in the pipeline for expenditure, Mr. Chairman.
It is ludicrous that H.R. 4567 proposes to appropriate only $1 billion for discretionary grants for use in ``high-threat, high- density'' urban areas and for rail and transit security.
The PSI will serve a needed function in the city of Houston, which while being ethnically diverse is also very diverse in terms of its geography and makeup. These sets of circumstances require specialized training, the kind of training that only a facility like the PSI can provide. The $16 million Federal appropriation would assist the Houston Community College (HCC) with the development and construction of a training complex to house the PSI, an expanded, technologically sophisticated regional training center. In particular, the PSI will include classrooms, a firing range, a simulated skills village, a burn building, and a hazardous materials center. Additionally, the PSI will include a driving track physical education center command center and dive pond. These facilities will serve local and regional police, fire and EMT departments, the Port of Houston, the city's airports and railroads, Houston's chemical and petroleum industries, as well as Federal agencies including Coast Guard, FBT, Border Patrol, Customs and Disaster Recovery. At this point I would hope that
it is abundantly clear the need for the PSI facility in the city of Houston.
Currently, HCC trains over 250 EMTs, 300 fire-fighting cadets and 200 police cadets annually in order to meet Houston's Homeland Security needs. The current HCC facilities are used to train an additional 1,000 police and firefighters, and the PSI would serve an additional 2,000 local police, firefighter and EMT personnel. Let me be clear, the PSI is not an experimental exercise for possible Homeland Security needs. The PSI is in fact the kind of facility that can help public safety officials prevent terrorist attacks both now and in the future. This $40 million, 25-acre complex will represent the cooperative relationship between Federal, State, and local law enforcement that was missing in the time before September 11th. In so much as this is an effort that affects the Federal, State and local levels, HCC has requested support from the city of Houston, Harris County, the State of Texas, as well as private contributors, to fund the $24 million non- Federal share of the project.
Mr. Chairman, I hope everyone in this body will recognize the need for this facility. The people of Houston and indeed the people of the United States deserve to know that all necessary measures are being taken to protect their well being and the future of this Nation.
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Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Let me add my appreciation as well, as I did in my earlier remarks, to the chairman and ranking member and as well the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon) and the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer), whom I have seen on the first lines of helping first responders and firefighters for all of the time I have been here.
The first group that I met with after 9/11, after being able to get home to Houston, were firefighters, EMS and other first responders. Clearly, not only were they eager to find out how
they could help further and establish a concrete way to be really first responders all the way and all the time, but they were committed to their brethren, their fallen brethren in New York and all around, who were then on the frontlines on 9/11. Their sympathy and their concern still is extended to those who lost their lives on that day. But they have never wavered from their commitment to rise to the occasion whenever they are called.
It is clear now with the hearings that we are unfolding and the report of the 9/11 Commission that we will need, more than ever, the attitude and the appropriate resources, the appropriate attitude and resources for this United States Congress to share with our first responders around the Nation.
Firefighters are on the frontline; and this particular legislation, both the authorization and now the funding, ensures, if you will, the continuation of our support for firefighters around this Nation.
I simply wanted to thank the proponents of the amendment for crafting it such that it will pass; and, two, the ranking and chairperson of this appropriations bill for allowing this funding to go forward. Most of all I want to offer my thanks for the local community firefighters that I work with on a daily basis and the fact that they are still working.
If I might add something, I just simply hope that we can look at our hazardous materials teams and reflect on the increasing needs that they have. No matter how much money they get, there is an increasing need.
But my thanks go out to those who have managed to secure this funding on behalf of our firefighters.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman and friend from Kentucky for yielding me this time, and commends him and all for crafting an overall good bill. It was brought up earlier how in this comprehensive…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman and friend from Kentucky for yielding me this time, and commends him and all for crafting an overall good bill.
It was brought up earlier how in this comprehensive bill there is time for honest disagreement, and I think later on this evening we will try to have a good conversation about that honest disagreement, and it relates to essentially how funding goes to what we will call high- threat areas as opposed to minimal guarantees for States and funding that some of us believe could be better spent in areas that can use it more and more effectively, like New York City.
By way of example, if we were to talk about enhancing our national security, and some Member suggested putting an aircraft carrier in the Great Salt Lake, somebody would probably think that is a little ludicrous, and we would say let us put the money where it is needed most.
While we are here trying to advocate more funding, bluntly for places like New York City, because that is where the funding is needed the most, Exhibit A for that clearly was September 11, and the Congress and the President and all united to help New York recover, but it still represents the terrorists' number one threat. The Federal intelligence community has confirmed this fact.
I think the President's budget also recognizes the need to prioritize funding in these areas by calling for $1.4 billion in the urban security initiative, $450 million more than the House bill. September 11 is not unique in New York. The first bombing of the Trade Center occurred in 1993. In between there was a conspiracy to destroy the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels, the George Washington Bridge, the United Nations and the Federal Building in Lower Manhattan, as well as a plot to bomb the subway.
Attacks in high-threat, high-density areas have great national economic impact in those areas as well. A Milken Institute study concluded, ``Disaster in New York affects business confidence in every major city,'' unlike events elsewhere. The study estimates a GDP decline of 1 percent and a loss of 1.6 million jobs nationwide because of the September 11 attacks on New York. For example, the financial service industry lost 96,000 jobs nationwide due to the attacks in New York, home to most the industry's headquarters, but two-thirds of those losses occurred throughout the country.
Our areas require intensive police coverage. New York City has 1,000 police officers dedicated solely to homeland security missions. The police department spent $200 million last year for these efforts. Despite the large sum, the police department alone has identified an additional $261 million in training needs, equipment and supplies directly related to counter-terrorism.
Given the vital needs, we would argue for more funds because that is where it is needed the most. Let me underscore, and this is not to take away from the great work of all people and their considerations, but homeland security, this is one home, not 50 different homes but one, and we are talking about security and we just appreciate a little more funding where it is needed in New York and elsewhere.
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order that the words ``notwithstanding any other provision of law'' under the heading ``State and Local Programs'' violates clause 2 of rule XXI of the rules of the House of Representatives prohibiting legislation on appropriations bills.
This provision would make over $3.4 billion available for State and local grants in a way that could contradict statutes within the jurisdiction of the Committee on Energy and Commerce and other committees. The reason that we passed those statutes, obviously, is to ensure that money would be spent in a certain way.
In short, this language clearly constitutes legislation on an appropriations bill in violation of clause 2 of rule XXI of the rules of the House because it changes current law.
I therefore insist on my point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the amendment and, as has been stated repeatedly here and warrants repetition, is why this is the right thing, what we know and why this is right.
What we know is clear and obvious. What we know is that a terrorist seeks an area to destroy not just innocent people, but the morale of an entire Nation. And while it may be a couple of years ago, September 11 is alive and well here in this country.
In Staten Island and Brooklyn alone, almost 300 innocent people lost their life, lost their life. The terrorists knew that. They still do. It was not unique. In 1989 they attempted to blow up the Trade Center. They have conspired to blow up the Holland Tunnel, the Lincoln Tunnel, the George Washington Bridge, and the United Nations as well. It is still real.
What is right is to send the money to where it is needed. If after September 11 we united as we did as a Nation, and we are grateful to the Congress and the President for coming through for New York City and New York State, if after September 11 we decided to go after the terrorists where they were, where the threat was, and Secretary Rumsfeld deployed the 101st Airborne to Switzerland, we would have laughed him out of Washington. Or, if he said, let us put an aircraft carrier in the Great Salt Lake, because we are going to protect the homeland; one home, not 50, one home, we would have laughed him out. If he said, let us get the Air Force deployed and launch a strike against Antarctica, we would have laughed him out.
So this notion that we have to send money everywhere for the sake of sending money everywhere really compromises the second component of what this committee is all about: our homeland, all of us together, and security. Let us not send money somewhere so we can say we cut the check.
The point is that it is not just New York City, it is not just the city residents, and it is not just the residents of New Jersey. It is the residents of Chicago, it is the residents of Los Angeles, it is the residents of Houston, Texas, and it is the millions of people who go to those cities: your families, our friends, our fellow Americans and, yes, people from around the world who come to these cities, New York, for example, who expect a level of security. We want them to visit for a few days and go home peacefully, spending money in the meantime, but let them come and enjoy it.
The fact is clear, I say to my colleagues. The right thing to do is to recognize that the City of New York, on a daily basis, incurs millions of dollars of expense to protect not just the residents of New York City, the people who work there every day and the millions of people who come. We need to reengineer this formula. We need to reengineer and do what is right, not just for the urban areas, but send the money where it is needed the most where the terrorists are looking towards, and they are looking towards New York again. Let us not look back in a year or two as my colleague, the gentleman from New York (Mr. King) said earlier and the gentleman from New York (Mr. Sweeney) and others have said so eloquently, let us not look back in a few years and say, well, we should have done something better. We have the opportunity tonight to do just that. I urge my colleagues to support the amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for the time. I appreciate not only the gentleman yielding me time but just his extraordinary time over this last year and a half since we began this new…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for the time. I appreciate not only the gentleman yielding me time but just his extraordinary time over this last year and a half since we began this new subcommittee here in the House.
The gentleman who just spoke is a very thoughtful, well-educated and very energetic member of the subcommittee, and as we have worked through all these issues over the last year and a half he has been very helpful, but what he just said is drivel, drivel.
The fact is tax cuts are one issue that helps the economy. It is a policy matter that was made by the Congress. This is homeland security, where we have spent billions of dollars and done extraordinary work. It is nonsense to bring up the tax issue while we are talking about appropriating the money for homeland security. That is a fact. That is a different debate for a different day, but this is also not cost sharing with local government from the Federal Government. We cannot do everything, and for a lot of people on this side we cannot appropriate enough money. It does not matter what the level is, they will want more, and they will play politics with this issue because they think it can resonate, and this is unfortunate because the best work here is when we get together and we do what is right, and that is what we are trying to do on this side of the aisle.
The chairman and his staff have done an extraordinary job. Now I am not totally happy with the Department of Homeland Security at all, and my colleagues know that at the hearings I have been very hard on the Homeland Security Department, particularly in the Science and Technology Directorate, and they need to hear us long, loud and clear. They need to do a better job, but overall, I have to tell my colleagues, this subcommittee has done extraordinary work.
Our intelligence work is dramatically better than after September 11. We are allocating the money to the best of our ability, but it is not a bottomless pit, and when my colleague talks about reports that show that firefighting organizations around the country do not have everything they want or need, there are 55,000 local law enforcement and firefighting organizations in this country, and the Federal Government cannot fund them all with everything they need. The responsibility still lies at the local and the State level, and this subcommittee has done an extraordinary job, and the Congress has a balanced approach, and this is not a bottomless pit.
I just want to say that we are at a critical juncture going into the next several months in this country with events that are very important, and I think it is important that we pull together. I hope this subcommittee can stay above some of the mindless kinds of rhetoric that comes to the floor when we pass important appropriations bills, and I hate to hear some of the most educated and informed Members dumb this down to a debate over tax cuts versus necessary spending.
This is necessary spending, and we are meeting those needs. I want to applaud the leadership. Our chairman and his staff have done an excellent job. Secretary Ridge is doing an excellent job. We still have miles to go before we get there, but we are on our way.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I rise, as a member of the subcommittee, to speak in opposition to the amendment but with the highest respect for the unity from the New York and New Jersey delegations. It certainly transcends party, and I love New York. The older I get, the more I love it. And I especially love the way that they all pulled together after September 11 and continue to stick together on important national priorities such as this.
But I just want to make a couple of points. We had well over 50 hearings at the subcommittee, we have had in the last year and 5 months. Many of these are highly classified or even at the top secret level. And while I am not going to talk about anything that is talked about, we have to assume, we have to assume, that terrorists plotting a future attack may very well commit that attack on several fronts simultaneously and certainly not just in an urban setting.
For instance, in the foothills of east Tennessee after September 11 people felt relatively safe and secure even within days of the attack because they did not live in a highly populated area. We must assume that the terrorists in the future will want every American, regardless of where they live, to be afraid and to live in fear because that is their weapon is fear.
These grants under the formula are heavily weighted towards population. But they are not heavily weighted towards infrastructure targets. And I will give another example. On the west side of the State I live in, Tennessee, Memphis is there, and Memphis qualifies for some of these grants under high density. But I have got to tell the Members that the nuclear weapons are in my district in east Tennessee, but the most populated area is over there but not around the nuclear weapons plant. Frankly, we do not want the nuclear weapons plant to be in the heart of all the people, but it is a target, and so are our nuclear plants and our dams and the infrastructure that is there.
So I think we have to have a balanced approach. I really love it that my colleagues are willing to fight for their people. I really believe that they are doing the right thing. But I think we had better be careful as a subcommittee that we do not get carried away or even send the signal inadvertently to the terrorists that most of the money is going to go into the big cities and the highly populated areas. They need to know that we are covering all of our bases and all of our infrastructure and that we expect them to hit us on multiple fronts simultaneously in the future and that we are spending the money in a comprehensive way around the country and that we are not putting almost all of our eggs in a few baskets, and that their method before, which was primarily to use airplanes as weapons of mass destruction, is probably not the kind of attack they are going to launch in the future. It will be different, and it may be with biological or chemical agents. And I have got to tell the Members those first responders in those communities had better be ready as well. And that is what we are trying to do is make sure that the whole country is covered.
I know the chairman and I are from a more rural area, but please do not believe for a second that we do not want to make sure that all of the highly populated areas are covered, not just satisfactorily but well. And we are going to work with them on this and I think we have done a reasonably good job. And I know they are coming down here tonight to defend the people that they love and we love. But this whole country cares about New York City and New Jersey and all the people that perished, and we are all going to stand together to make sure that we are covered.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for yielding me time. Mr. Chairman, I want to rise in strong support of H.R. 4567, and I want to commend the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) who has shown…
Mr. Chairman, I thank the chairman for yielding me time.
Mr. Chairman, I want to rise in strong support of H.R. 4567, and I want to commend the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) who has shown tremendous leadership on this bill, a very, very difficult bill, and the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Sabo) and all the staff on both sides of the aisle doing an outstanding job of moving this homeland security appropriations bill to the floor under a very tight fiscal circumstance.
We received a tremendous number of specific requests, and each of us has had to say no many more times than we would have liked to. I know that all Members of this Chamber have specific accounts they believe should have increased funding or areas for which they want to include language. There are particular programs that need more direction and money.
Most, if not all, of our colleagues care deeply about homeland security. We want it done right, and we want tangible results. However, at some point we need to focus on the possible and the reasonable knowing that none of us are going to be fully satisfied. I am not satisfied with the level of funding for the State formula grant, but given all of the factors that must be considered when addressing the various risks in each congressional district, the number for this program is not unreasonable; particularly when one considers that is a half a billion dollars over the administration's request.
We should also remember that there are hundreds of millions of dollars out there in our States that have yet to be obligated for homeland security. I am not satisfied with what I believe is less than adequate attention devoted to the threat of agroterrorism, particularly as it relates to prevention activities and needed work to advance animal vaccines; and I openly criticized the people in the Department who have been shortsighted in this area. I intend to be an advocate for protecting our agriculture economy from terrorism.
The potential cost of agroterrorism to rural economy is hard to imagine, yet alone the cost as far as food safety.
For those who want to score easy political points, this is a great bill for you. I will be one of those first who worry about funding levels. But none of us holds the answers to what truly defines adequate funding for homeland security.
As we debate this appropriations bill, I challenge the critics today to be honest with the American people. This is not an easy bill to write, and the most complex and the most demanding homeland security functions make easy targets for those who claim to be an authority on what is the best way to spend our homeland security dollars.
As the chairman has said, we can all think of more ways to spend money on homeland security, and there is no end to what we could spend. Nobody can argue that. And the issue is how well we shepherd our limited resources. In my view, this is one of the most important spending measures we will consider this year. We all know what the budget situation is; but we have crafted a very, very good bill.
I urge the Members to support this bill, keep the debate honest, and pass it quickly because it is so important to our constituents and to this Nation.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I just rise in strong opposition to this amendment. While everyone fights for money, and that is good, that is natural, it is what we would expect, the fact of the matter is these dollars have to be distributed across this country.
The gentleman talked about threat. Well, the way the dollars are given out through the committee, threat is the third highest priority. It is population, it is presence of vulnerability of critical infrastructure and threat; three times more emphasis put on population than on threat.
When you talk about defining threat, you tell me about what destroying our food supply in this country would mean: agri-terrorism. You talk about destroying the infrastructure that we have in this country outside of the major urban areas. When we start talking about the places of high threat, I think there is no way to calculate the number of places that can be destroyed.
We cannot write off the rest of the country. This bill already recognizes a balance between the urban areas and the rural areas. This bill gives the urban areas over $1.2 billion, directed to urban areas, $280 million more than last year; and now they want to take more away from everybody else in this country.
Every State has a plan in place. We have a lot of community entities, counties, in the State of Iowa that are trying to comply with those plans today; and they need the resources as much as any other place does.
If we are just talking about who has got the most people, that is one thing. When we talk about analyzing how people can respond to a threat throughout this country, that is another thing. Everybody in this House has approximately the same number of people, and we all love them as much as the next guy does. I want to protect my people as much as anyone in New York or New Jersey, but I think it is wrong to have all of these dollars go to one area out of my people's protection. It is simply wrong.
The gentleman talked earlier about we have got to do what the President said. He said we should have this many more dollars as far as urban areas. Well, let us just follow that.
If we follow the President's request, we would have no money in this bill for rail security; we would have cut firefighter grants by $245 million; we would have doubled airline ticket taxes; there would be $43 million less for air cargo security. You might be interested, if you are from New York, we would have no money for metropolitan response teams, for which the committee gave $50 million. There would be
$50 million less for radiological detection devices at our seaports and $29 million less for baggage screening at our airports. In fact, if we followed the President's request, there would be $500 million less in this bill to go to your protection.
I think it is a balanced bill as it is; and like the chairman said, is there ever enough anywhere? Well, maybe not. Will one more dollar do it in one place rather than another? I do not know. No one knows that. But the fact of the matter is, there are real threats in rural America; there are real threats in urban America.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
Yes, it would.
The gentleman is correct.
That is correct.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, obviously the chairman is correct.
The fact of the matter is, I honestly believe there is not enough money for the formula grants. As we are pursuing this amendment, I have another amendment where we will transfer $275 million back into the formula grants, because I think it is so important that the entire country be protected, and not just certain areas who cannot define threat and are only basing their premise on how many people live in one area.
I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Chairman, in response to the earlier debate, there is a relationship between everything we do here and everybody knows that. We have to make tough…
I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Chairman, in response to the earlier debate, there is a relationship between everything we do here and everybody knows that. We have to make tough choices every day. We have to choose between budgets and priorities. Plain and simple, this administration and the Republicans on that side of the aisle have said that tax cuts for the wealthy are a higher priority than adequate funding for first responders. My first responders are crying out for interoperable communications. What was the response of the Bush administration? Zero. They zeroed it out of the budget this year. I cannot even try and add money back into it because it does not exist anymore in the Federal budget. That is the number one priority of the police and fire in my State.
Who are we going to call? Who are going to be the first people there? Not the Army, not the military, not any Federal agencies. It is going to be our local responders. And they are not even going to be able to communicate among one another, let alone with State or Federal authorities. This bill does not have enough money to meet the homeland security needs of this country.
In addition, there is another choice. We are going to spend twice as much money on the Star Wars fantasy, a weapons system that does not work, as we are going to spend on all the border and port security for the United States of America. There are tough choices, and you are making the wrong decisions.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I do not rise to defend the Transportation Security Administration as a paragon of efficiency, although I have been impressed in recent meetings, hearings, closed and open door, with the acting head, Admiral Stone. And in particular, he seems to be willing to address the enduring problems with the centralized bureaucracy, the fact that hiring, firing, management decisions, scheduling decisions are all being made out of Washington, D.C. instead of at the local level by the local Federal Security Director.
But I want to give him a chance to succeed. I want to make the system work as well as possible. And the cap that has been imposed, I think out of frustration by members of this committee, which is shared by members of the Subcommittee on Aviation and the Select Committee on Homeland Security, about the past problems with management of this agency is not the right solution.
We talk about right sizing the TSA. Well, the way to do that would be to do a bottom-up assessment of what is necessary to meet the mandates of the Transportation Security Act, to screen the baggage, to properly screen the passengers.
It is my understanding that in the near future we may hear that the Transportation Security Administration is going to fill the huge gap where individuals who work in the airport, vendors and others, caterers, would have to go through screening on a daily basis, which will increase the load. Passenger loads are coming back as people return to the air. But because of this arbitrary cap of 45,000, we find out that according to the GAO we are not meeting the mandate on 100 percent electronic baggage screening because of staffing shortages.
The Secretary of Transportation, Secretary Mineta, has abandoned the promise and the contract with the American traveling public that they will wait no more than 15 minutes in line. There have been lines reported at some airports up to 4 and 5 hours; 1 and 2 hours are regularly at other airports. That means the airlines are losing more and more of their business travelers, which is causing the industry tremendous problems.
We need predictability when business travelers and others go to the airport. We need some assurances that they will be able to get through expeditiously and quickly. And even more than that, we need assurances that they will be properly screened and that their baggage will be properly screened. I believe because of this cap we are not meeting any of those charges.
A number of the largest airports in the United States, 22 of the 25 focus airports that the Transportation Security Administration deems to be at high risk of delays this summer; these are 22 of the 25 airports at high risk of travel delays this summer, the Transportation Security Administration, because of the cap, has reduced screener staffing resources by the equivalent of 3,100 full-time screeners over the last year, about 20 percent of those airports. That means that many Americans are going to be waiting in line for half an hour or an hour or more because of these arbitrary caps.
I do not think this is the way to get at the management problems of the TSA. It would be better for the committee to mandate that the agency, prior to the start of the next fiscal year, go through an assessment, and they claim they are doing this, but mandate it perhaps, that they would decide from the ground up, from every position in the agency how many people they need at each airport and set a performance standard, a standard both in terms of security that has to be met and a standard in terms of how long it is going to take people to get through those airports.
It is not fair to the public to say, well, you are paying this additional tax for security and you are paying all of these other taxes, a very large part of the ticket, but we cannot afford enough people to get you through here in less than 3 hours. That is not right.
I know many of my colleagues have experienced this firsthand, and they certainly have received complaints from their constituents, particularly in a number of these 25 focus airports around the country.
I do not do this out of some sort of very parochial need, because my own local airport is doing quite well. But I do it out of a general concern for the industry, the traveling public, safety, security, and convenience, and the proper management of the TSA, and wanting to give the new acting director a chance to make it work right by removing this cap, admitting that there were mistakes made in the past, and we expect that they will not be repeated in the future.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, the other point is the chairman talked about the fact that we need to replace the screeners with technology. I agree 100 percent as does the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Mica). Unfortunately, this budget does not contain this money. It is $231 million less than we authorized for that kind of technology.
Mr. Chairman, I demand a recorded vote, and pending that, I make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 675 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 675 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Slaughter) pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
(Mr. LINCOLN DIAZ-BALART of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, House Resolution 675 is an open rule that provides for the consideration of H.R. 4567, the Fiscal Year 2005 Department of Homeland Security Appropriations Act. The rule provides 1 hour of general debate, equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Appropriations.
I would like to take a moment to reiterate that we bring this rule forward under a fair and open rule. Appropriations legislation has historically been brought forth with open rules, and we continue to do so in order to allow each and every Member the opportunity to submit their amendments for consideration, as long as they are germane under the rules of this House.
Nearly one year ago, Mr. Speaker, I stood on this floor and proudly brought forward a rule for the very first Homeland Security Appropriations bill. We have accomplished so much in that one year to protect our homeland and further establish this important department. We continue that work in coordination with the underlying legislation.
In my remarks last year, I spoke about our ability to fund first- responders and ensure that they are always equipped on a State and local level to protect the Nation. This year, we provide $4.1 billion for first-responders, including high threat areas, firefighters and emergency management. This brings the total appropriated by Congress for first-responders since September 11, 2001, to $26.7 billion.
I also indicated last year the productive start to the Container Security Initiative. I am proud to report that in the underlying bill we have more than doubled funding to $126 million. That is as part of this increase in funding, the United States will be expanding this initiative throughout the world to stop terrorism before it reaches our shores. As a Member from a district whose daily well-being, including our economy, depends on large ports, I continue to strongly endorse this program.
While continuing important programs, this legislation begins new efforts to strengthen homeland defense. It is well-known that the Coast Guard must receive funding to upgrade its infrastructure while addressing emerging challenges. The underlying legislation provides $679 to the Deepwater Program, designed to allow capital acquisition for the future strength of the Coast Guard, on the frontline of homeland defense.
The Coast Guard Integrated Support Command in Miami is essential to the safety and security of residents. The Coast Guard in south Florida coordinates regional plans aimed at hurricane safety, recreational boater safety, and, most importantly, protection of our coastline from terrorism and drug trafficking.
While I am extremely pleased with the end result we have before us today, I also believe in the future we have to somehow find additional funding for the In-Line Explosive Device Security, or EDS. The legislation before us includes $269 million for the project, a good start, but the Federal cost share for this important technology at Miami International Airport alone, which is in my Congressional district, will top $200 million.
In-line systems will allow for more screeners to be redeployed at passenger checkpoints. In-line EDS systems increase efficiencies and reduce costs associated with baggage screening. This next generation of security technology for our Nation's airports will yield great results.
H.R. 4567 is a good bill, Mr. Speaker. It is a testament to our changing world that Congress is able to respond to security concerns abroad while ensuring that the homeland remains secure. The first responsibility of government is to protect its citizenry, and we are able to respond with priority funding for this important Department of Homeland Security.
We bring this legislation forth under a fair and open rule, as I have stated before, and I would like to reiterate.
I would like to thank the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young) and the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) for their extraordinary leadership on this very important issue. I urge my colleagues to support both the rule and the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Arizona (Mr. Kolbe).
(Mr. KOLBE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
No, Mr. Speaker, we do not.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I also believe that homeland security should not be a partisan issue. That is why I am so proud of the work that the leadership and that the Committee on Appropriations and especially the gentleman from Florida (Chairman Young) and the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) have brought forth, they have expended and brought forth with regard to this critical issue.
The legislation before us spends $33 billion, Mr. Speaker, on homeland security, $33 billion. Just in the area of first responders, Federal assistance for those first responders since September 11, 2001, almost $27 billion have been appropriated by this Congress. I am very proud of the way in which this Congress has responded to the threat, has acted to protect our homeland security. This is very important legislation that we have before us today. It is time that we get to the underlying legislation and that we pass it out.
So accordingly, Mr. Speaker, I urge a yes vote on the previous question, on the rule and on the underlying legislation.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time, and I move the previous question on the resolution.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman, I would like to commend the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) for his support of this amendment, for all the hard…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I would like to commend the gentleman from Kentucky (Chairman Rogers) for his support of this amendment, for all the hard work he has put into bringing this bill to the floor, and likewise I want to publicly acknowledge the gentleman from Pennsylvania (Mr. Weldon) and the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer) for the exemplary leadership they displayed on behalf of the firefighters and fire community all of these years, as well as for their tireless efforts in navigating the newly established SAFER program through Capitol Hill.
Indeed, this amendment helps us fulfill our promise to the firefighters nationwide. The dangerous crisis of inadequate staffing in our Nation's fire departments must be confronted head on. This amendment does exactly that.
While we all know the statistics, I think they are disturbing enough to warrant further discussion. Two-thirds of all fire departments throughout America operate with inadequate staffing, and we are talking about career and volunteer departments. In communities of at least 50,000 people, 38 percent of the firefighters are regularly part of a response that is not sufficient to safely initiate an interior attack on a structure fire. Twenty-one percent of rural departments are often unable to deliver the four firefighters needed to safely initiate an interior attack. This is not acceptable.
The firefighters whose bravery and valor protect our Nation deserve all that we can present here. The consequences of insufficient personnel levels often lead to tragic heartbreaking results, Mr. Chairman, and it is imperative that Congress addresses this issue.
This amendment, which appropriates $50 million to the SAFER program to provide grants to help hire, recruit, retain career and volunteer firefighters, is vital in this regard.
Again I would like to thank the chairman and all the members of the Fire Caucus for the support shown towards this amendment, and I wish to thank firefighters for everything that they do day in and day out.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in support of the amendment.
I can agree with the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) on much of what he has said. Deployment and manpower must work hand in hand. So you have in some airports too few screeners. You have other airports, as the gentleman has described it, too many. However, when you look at the attrition rate, and I would ask the chairman to look at this please, there is so much of a turnover, that that is causing, as the numbers that I have studied, an insufficient amount of screeners many times at many airports. And that is why I support the DeFazio amendment.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
Reclaiming my time, I agree with what the chairman is saying, but many times we put the cart before the horse. We do not have a universal vulnerability and risk assessment, and perhaps we are spending money in the wrong places. This is a problem. A better method would be a bottom-up approach. Security decisions should be made by evaluating what each airport needs, what each airport needs to screen passengers and baggage effectively and efficiently. It would seem that should be our priority.
The reason why I believe the threshold should be taken away and not suggesting another number to take its place is that you have a very difficult period in air travel coming up, Mr. Chairman. The summer travel season gets busier and busier. People are going to wonder why lines are getting longer and longer. I do not know if the TSA is prepared to act accordingly and quickly, to be very honest. Because of the provision that this amendment addresses, the TSA simply does not have the manpower to do the job.
The federalization of airport passenger screeners has been a rocky road, but this cap has only added to the problems. It has hurt the ability of the TSA to manage the problem areas such as the mile-long lines at Atlanta's Hartfield Airport. The Congress has mandated 100 percent electronic screening of checked baggage at several airports this year; the electronic baggage mandate was not met due to a glaring lack of screeners.
I yield to the gentleman from Oregon.
Reclaiming my time, I witnessed the screener cap issue firsthand when there were media reports that Newark International Airport was not meeting the baggage screening mandate. At one point this past year, Newark was dangerously understaffed to the point where the EDS machines, and we know how sensitive they are; we know how much effort we have put into this, thanks to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, thanks to homeland security, they were sitting idle. No one was there to operate them despite high passenger traffic.
The airport is now meeting its mandates, but only with the temporary assignment of an extra 150 screeners to deal with the summer months. Come the fall, we may be short-staffed again. So what is actually needed is clearly more than the arbitrary level set in the bill. That is what I am addressing, Mr. Chairman, through the Chair, and that is, I believe the 45,000 number is arbitrary. And I would ask the gentleman in his capacity as the chairman, and he has looked at this and the sensitivities that exist in all of these amendments and issues, to please look at this, what has happened to these EDS machines that are on-line but there is no one to staff them.
I think that the 45,000 figure, that cap, that threshold is not realistic. I have looked at the data. I have examined the small airports, the large airports. I agree with everything that you have said in terms of the ridiculousness of many screeners standing around all day doing nothing. We know that there needs to be a deployment change. I am simply asking, we should not have this threshold number unless we have the data to support it. And I would ask the gentleman to reconsider that, Mr. Chairman.
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Mr. Chairman, I remember being here during the first and second energy crisis in 1973 and again in 1977 under President Ford and then President Carter. And when we realized what a bind we were in on…
Mr. Chairman, I remember being here during the first and second energy crisis in 1973 and again in 1977 under President Ford and then President Carter. And when we realized what a bind we were in on energy, we had a bunch of new actions taken. We took action to support new investments in technology. We supported new investments in energy conservation. We supported new investments in alternative fuels.
And then slowly but surely during the Reagan years and afterwards, the Congress lost its interest, it lost its zeal, so did the administrations. And little by little those initiatives were just sort of slowly drained out of the budget, and we wound up getting in real terms back to about just where we were in terms of making those investments before we were hit by the energy crises.
Unfortunately, I think that is what has happened with respect to the homeland security issues after 9/11. I remember after 9/11 going down to the White House, talking to the President with my good friend, the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Young).
We presented to the President a bipartisan list of initiatives which we had been told by the President's own security people were essential to try to protect us from future attacks. And I remember that instead of being met with a willingness to sit down and listen to what people had to say, the President essentially said, ``Folks, if you appropriate one dollar more than I have asked for, I will veto the bill.'' And there was no receptiveness at all.
Then in the next year, the President vetoed or pocket-vetoed about a billion and a half dollars in additional actions for homeland security. This bill pretty much continues the status quo since that time. We have, it is true, over time increased our investments in homeland security by about two-tenths of 1 percent of our gross national product, but because the majority party has concluded that their number one priority is tax breaks, there is not enough room left for any significant new initiatives on the homeland security front, and I think that is highly dangerous for the country.
As the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Sabo) has indicated, if you compare the challenges with the resources being applied to those challenges, we are falling woefully short. I do not think the public understands that only a tiny percentage of air cargo on passenger planes is being inspected these days for explosives.
I do not think they understand that this bill is 8 percent below where we were told by the President initially that we should be in terms of the number of sky marshals.
I do not think the public understands how little is being done to secure our ports against dirty bombs and other weapons of mass destruction.
I do not think the public understands that of the 45 major ports who ship to this country, only 20 of them have a decent customs inspection operation. I do not think the public understands that the inspectors we have in those ports are there on temporary, 6-month duty and, therefore, do not learn the territory well enough to really do their jobs as well as they otherwise could.
I do not think the public understands that on the northern border the PATRIOT Act required us to have 2000 more inspectors than we have today.
I do not think the public understands that only 13 percent of our fire departments are equipped to handle a full-fledged HAZMAT challenge. I do not think the public understands that we have fewer firefighters in our localities today than we had at the time of 9/11.
I do not think the public understands that within the homeland security agency itself, that of the 500 career slots in that agency there are 171 vacancies. The agency itself still does not have a phone directory, and one-quarter of the slots at Homeland Security are filled by political appointees.
So I think we have a long way to go in fixing these home security problems, and while I appreciate everything that the chairman has tried to do, he has not been given the resources with which to do a truly comprehensive job.
Mr. Speaker, that is why I will attempt, despite the adoption of the rule, I will attempt to offer an amendment which adds about $1.5 billion for first responders, which will add $120 million for cargo security, for additional screening and canine detection; $300 million for more explosive detection equipment; $550 million more for strengthening our border and a variety of other initiatives.
I think that if we can provide $25 billion in the Defense bill to defend the country, if we can provide that on an emergency basis, I think we need to do the same thing with respect to defending the homeland close to our own homes. So I would urge that, despite the fact that the rule allows a point of order to be lodged against that amendment, I would urge that no one make that point of order because this country needs investments which this bill does not permit us to make, and we will all be safer, certainly our constituents will be safer, if the amendment passes than they will if it does not.
Mr. Chairman, let me simply say that the idea that how much money is allocated to tax cuts is totally unrelated to how much money is left for homeland security or education or health care, the idea that those things are unrelated is absurd and preposterous. The fact is that unless the deficit is totally meaningless, and I do not think it is, then if you put all of your eggs into the tax cut basket, especially if you provide so much of them to people who make over $200,000 a year, then that indeed does
have an effect on what is available for port security, what is available for the northern border security, what is available for first responders, and if the gentleman does not understand that, then I think we need to set up a new grade school on Capitol Hill.
Mr. Chairman, there is probably no issue that we will be debating in this session which has more significance to me or the other members of the New York delegation than the entire issue of funding…
Mr. Chairman, there is probably no issue that we will be debating in this session which has more significance to me or the other members of the New York delegation than the entire issue of funding for homeland security. In my district and in adjoining communities, we lost hundreds and hundreds of people on September 11. We have to do all we can to make sure that that never occurs again.
I commend the chairman for the work he has put into this bill; but later this evening, the gentleman from New York (Mr. Sweeney), the gentleman from New York (Mr. Fossella), and I will be offering the point and making the case why we believe more money should be allocated to high-threat areas such as New York. New York City, the downstate areas, and the entire State are running up well over $1 billion in expenses related entirely and just to homeland security and counterterrorism. This is a threat which must be met, and it is an issue which is going to be discussed later this evening. I look forward to that opportunity. I thank the chairman for giving me the opportunity to raise these points at this time.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Sweeney amendment.
On September 11, 2001, in my district and in the adjoining communities, hundreds and hundreds of innocent Americans were murdered. I made it my vow at that time never to allow that to happen again, do all that I possibly could to prevent that from happening again. We can have all the pages in this bill, all the money. The reality is it is only going to work if the money is going where it is needed. It is not a question of being fair. This is not some egalitarian movement here. This is to send the money to the areas of the country that need it the most. No area needs it more than New York City and New York State.
New York City was attacked in 1993. There were subsequent attacks thwarted in the Lincoln Tunnel, the Holland Tunnel, Federal buildings in New York, the Brooklyn Bridge; and, of course, there were the terrible attacks of September 11, 2001. The New York City Police Department alone, and this only encompasses 8 million of the 18 million people in the State, New York City alone spends almost $500 million in the NYPD. When you add the fire department and the OEM, it comes to almost $1 billion a year. Yet we are nowhere near being compensated for that. I am not saying this out of any parochial interest because I do not actually represent any area in New York City, but I live close enough to it to see the terrible damage that was done.
Mr. Chairman, right now we have hearings and investigations going on asking how could 9/11 have happened; why were we not better prepared. In many instances, it is unfair to look back in hindsight and say, well, this was wrong and that was wrong. But if it happens again, we have no excuse because we have been told what is going to happen. We know where it is going to happen. And I would ask those who oppose this amendment to say, what will they say if there is another attack and there is another 9/11 commission and asking why did you allow money to be spread all over the country rather than concentrate it on the areas that need it the most?
That is the issue before us tonight. It is not a question of so- called fairness. It is a question of the money being properly spent. If you are a police chief or you are a police commissioner and you are in a town or a village or a city, it is not your job to spread the police all over equitably. It is to assign them where they are needed the most, into the high-crime areas, the areas where the most danger is. The most danger right now, and this is not something that we ask for in New York, but by every account, New York is the prime target. That is where the money should be going. Instead, there is to me a dramatic shortfall in the money.
No, we cannot solve everything. We cannot give all the money that is needed, but it makes no sense at all to be moving back and to have that disparity grow larger and larger each year. We again will have to account to history if something happens again. We are here tonight. We can talk about, again, the various titles, the various sections, and the various allotments; but the gut question is, are we going to base this on a threat analysis? We have an Air Force which can only protect so many cities. Depending on the size, which are the cities most likely to be attacked? We do not send planes everywhere in the country. We put them over the cities where there is the highest threat. That is the way we have to allocate this money. It is not impossible to figure out. Give the Secretary of Homeland Security that discretion.
I realize because the amendment was ruled out of order that we cannot do all that should be done, but certainly the amendment of the gentleman from New York (Mr. Sweeney) today to just put back in the money the President has asked for, we certainly on this side of the aisle should be those leading the charge supporting what the President of the United States wants to do to defend the country against terrorists coming to our land to destroy our people.
What I am saying in the interest of justice and to, certainly, people on this side of the aisle, stand with the President of the United States in the war against terrorism and remember that history will be our judge. If this amendment is voted down, we will have failed the test of history.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment. Mr. Chairman, this amendment is very straight forward. It would simply provide $500,000 for the Department of Homeland Security to conduct a thorough study on how…
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment is very straight forward. It would simply provide $500,000 for the Department of Homeland Security to conduct a thorough study on how these first responder grants have been spent over the past 2 fiscal years.
In particular, we need to know how much of the $4.4 billion allocated for Homeland Security grant programs have been spent on upgrading local and State first responder communication systems.
Why is this necessary? Because after 9/11, the Nation finally realized what those of us in law enforcement have known for years, that there is a huge gap in how we respond to natural and terrorist-related disasters. First responder agencies cannot talk to each other.
Last month, the independent 9/11 Commission held hearings to examine
the communication gaps between public safety agencies during their response to attacks on the World Trade Center. What the commission learned was that fire chiefs in the World Trade Center lobbies new little of the conditions upstairs. They did not hear anything about what the police in helicopters were seeing as they circled the buildings, that the towers may or would collapse.
As we now know, Federal reports on the 9/11 Federal emergency response concluded that the inability of first responders from different agencies to talk to one another was a key factor in the deaths of at least 121 firefighters.
Since then, the Federal Government has called upon the States and local governments to be even more vigilant and prepared for possible attacks of terrorism. Yet our public safety agencies continue to lack the ability to communicate with each other between agencies and between jurisdictions. Firefighters cannot talk to police, local police cannot talk to state police or emergency personnel, and so on and so on.
Despite the creation of the Department of Homeland Security and grant programs for first responders, program funding for modernizing their communications system has fallen far short of the $6.8 billion that is needed to make the Nation's public safety agencies interoperable, in other words, being able to talk to each other.
In fiscal year 2003, only $100 million was devoted to local public safety communications systems, and no funding at all was available in fiscal year 2004.
The bottom line is there is an awful lot of talk here about interoperability, but no real, reliable resources to make that happen so agencies can talk to each other in times of catastrophic disaster or terrorist attacks. All we have are 2 years of grant programs within DHS, but none specifically for interoperability; and we do not know where that money is going.
So far, neither I nor my staff can find any evidence of oversight on where the billions of dollars have gone after these grants have been sent to the States and local governments. No one can tell me how much of that money has gone to interoperable radio communications. I think we need to know how much money is being spent so we have a better idea on what the priorities are for our Nation's first responders.
I know for a fact that upgrading radio equipment is a priority in my district, which is large, rural, and on the Canadian border, and, at times, unfortunately, porous, where those who do not belong can sneak into the United States.
Again, my amendment takes $500,000 out of the office of the Under Secretary of Management, an account that receives a $50 million increase in this bill over fiscal year 2004. It puts that $500,000 for this needed study under the salaries and expenses account under title III, the preparedness and recovery title.
For 30 years, I have been associated with law enforcement, 12 years as a police officer. For 30 years, I have been hearing that we will have radios so we can talk to each other and to first responders. After 30 years and many deaths, it is time we move forward on making interoperability for all first responders available so we can talk to each other, especially in times of peril.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Mr. Chairman, the chairman is right, we have been trying to address this issue. I know, having been involved in law enforcement and worked with an interagency drug task force, we can bring in radio equipment so everyone can talk to each other no matter what frequency they are on. And I know through the leadership of the chairman and the ranking member and many Members who are concerned about this, as we heard from the Fire Caucus earlier, those Members, there is actually mobile equipment that we can bring in and help out.
We have taken a good step forward. I want to make sure we keep moving in that right direction. That is why I wanted this study, as I continue to work in my own committee to try to set up a fund to get this interoperability realistic throughout this country, because it is going to cost $6.8 billion; and I am concerned about my rural committees as well as the big cities.
Mr. Chairman, the chairman has given me those assurances, and his word is always good with me. So I will withdraw my amendment, with those assurances. I look forward to working with the chairman and ranking member. I appreciate the gentleman's continued support on this issue and thank him for the opportunity of raising it.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to withdraw my amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of this legislation and praise both parties for their outstanding work on homeland security. The chairman has done an absolutely fantastic job in bringing…
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of this legislation and praise both parties for their outstanding work on homeland security. The chairman has done an absolutely fantastic job in bringing together the appropriations necessary to fund our homeland security operations, and I appreciate the work of the ranking member as well.
Mr. Chairman, prior to 2000, there was not a dime of Federal money for the Nation's first responders for firefighters. Not a dime. In 2000, 1 year before 9/11, it was this body that began that funding through the Assistance to Firefighter grant program. It was this body who did that. In the past 3 years, this committee has appropriated $2.1 billion to 17,000 out of 32,000 fire and EMS departments nationwide. Large and small, they have applied directly. There is no middle person. There is no agency. They evaluate the grants themselves. There is no politics in it. It is the most successful program that Congress runs today because it works.
In the area of interoperability, it is the number one priority. In this bill, the chairman has money, the Congress, that Chairman Ridge is authorizing so that cities and States across the country are now implementing interoperable plans. It is a priority. There is funding going for that purpose. Every fire department in America, all 32,000, look at the work that has been done by this Congress with pride. Granted we may not have all the money that everyone wants, but no committee in this Congress, especially on the appropriations side, has begun to address local needs the way this subcommittee has. I applaud the chairman for that, and I applaud the ranking member. It has been a bipartisan effort. On behalf of the firefighters of America, I say to all of you, thank you. Keep up the good work.
Mr. Chairman, I offer amendments.
Mr. Chairman, I ask unanimous consent to consider this amendment en bloc.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment has been worked carefully with the distinguished leader, the chairman of this committee, the ranking member, the distinguished gentleman from Maryland.
Mr. Chairman, this amendment I am offering on behalf of myself and the gentleman from Maryland (Mr. Hoyer) and a number of other Members, and I want to thank the distinguished chairman and ranking member for their cooperation and support, both in the subcommittee and the full committee.
This is a very important amendment, Mr. Chairman, that takes $50 million out of the homeland security personnel account and transfers it into the SAFER program, which provides SAFER grants for the 32,000 fire and EMS departments across the country to deal with the issue of staffing.
Mr. Chairman, as I mentioned earlier, it was this subcommittee who did so much to provide over $2.1 billion over the past 3 years to 17,000 fire and EMS departments in America to allow them to purchase needed equipment, firefighter breathing apparatus, interoperable communications, apparatus and trucks and vehicles, safety training, training for the firefighters, a whole host of activities.
This grant program has been so successful, and I know that every Member of Congress understands the impact in their district, because there is no politics in it. The evaluations are done by firefighters themselves, who volunteer to come to Washington and review all the applications.
In the first year of this program, we had over 30,000 applications from 32,000 departments.
Mr. Chairman, this legislation establishes a program to deal with the personnel issues. It allows paid departments to hire additional firefighters and paramedics and allows them to phase out the Federal portion over 4 years and then make a commitment to pick up the cost of that firefighter after that time period, but unlike other programs, like the COPS program, this program is administered and evaluated by their peers. There is no process of agencies. It is done by people involved in the fire service.
Mr. Chairman, why is this so important? Each year in America, we lose 100 firefighters who are killed in the line of duty. There is no occupation in America that has 85 percent of those 100 people who volunteer who die in the course of volunteering to serve America. Our military personnel are paid, our police officers are paid, some of our firefighters are paid, but the bulk of them are volunteers.
This program provides dollars so that volunteer fire departments can recruit more volunteers, so that volunteer departments who need paid drivers can bring in paid drivers, and so that paid fire departments who are woefully understaffed can finally have the beginning of the resources they need to properly protect their cities. This legislation does so much more than just provide protection for the homeland. It allows our emergency responders to deal with fires but also deal with terrorist incidents, HAZMAT incidents, all the typical concerns that we have across America.
I want to thank the distinguished chairman for his cooperation. He is a hero to the fire service of America. I
want to thank the ranking member and all of our colleagues, and I would ask that we get the vote not just for this amendment but also hopefully for the entire legislation with broad bipartisan support.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
Mr. Chairman, I thank the gentleman for his response.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words. I hope we can put aside the unnecessary and overblown hyperbole that has at times crept into this discussion such as Moscow-style…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
I hope we can put aside the unnecessary and overblown hyperbole that has at times crept into this discussion such as Moscow-style bureaucracy; TSA is a joke. TSA is not a joke. This agency, its personnel are engaged in the very serious business of maintaining security at our Nation's airports, for air travelers, for the airline business in America. They have done an extraordinary job under extremely difficult circumstances, tight timelines, unavailability of space, equipment that was not forthcoming, equipment that was not ready to do the task that was set before them; and I think rather than disparage this agency and these personnel who came in with a very high degree of spirit to do the right job for America, we ought to commend the individual workers for making the effort and continue our focus on redirecting the management and setting performance standards. Performance standards would be far better than an arbitrary limit on the number of personnel.
I have enormous respect for the gentleman from Kentucky. We have worked together on so many issues over many, many years; and I do not think that he came in and just picked an arbitrary number just to show that he is in charge. Out of great frustration, out of very serious concern for getting the right number, as my colleague from Minnesota said, they picked a number and said get down to this level; but that is not the right way to achieve the best out of this agency.
I agree that at the outset, after enactment of the Air Traffic Security Act, that the agency went in and did many things. A new agency was created, did many things at the same time. They rushed in, they hired many more people than we know in hindsight to be necessary for the job; but remember, they did not know electronic detection screening equipment would be available. They had a deadline to meet within a year. We all agreed in this body that that was a timeline we were not going to budge from; we were going to insist that this deadline be met; that if they could not get the EDS equipment in place, they would have to do hand screening, they would have to do screening with canines; that there were going to be huge time requirements and personnel; they would need more people, and they did not know how many were going to be required at various airports.
So they put people in place. They met the goal that we set forth in the authorization law, and then they went about the task of right- sizing. Right-sizing does not necessarily mean down-sizing, and removing the cap does not necessarily mean adding more personnel, but just arbitrarily imposing a cap is not going to achieve the goal of better management of standard-based management of this agency. I think under Admiral Loy and his successor as head of TSA, Admiral Stone, that the process is underway of decentralizing the decisionmaking on locating personnel.
For example, in the Minneapolis/St. Paul airport area responsibility, the Federal security director has right-sized that facility by shifting personnel to among the various airports under his jurisdiction. In Duluth, an area that I know very well, the Federal security director has several airports in northern Minnesota under his jurisdiction. He has moved TSA personnel from those airports that were overstaffed and put them to airports where they were understaffed. They have moved to put in place part-time personnel where that fits.
There has to be much more of this kind of decentralization of decisionmaking on allocation of personnel.
Mr. Chairman, so the answer is right-sizing, not necessarily down-sizing arbitrarily.
This year we are seeing a rebound in air travel. There is going to be a 6.8 percent, 7-plus percent increase in air travelers. That will mean an increase in demand for screeners. To put an arbitrary cap on screeners at a time when air traffic is growing, when the airlines are beginning to rebound, I think is not responsible.
I would hope that the gentleman's amendment would be supported and that we allow a process; and our committee, under the leadership of the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Mica), has been vigorous in this pursuit of oversight on this agency and are keeping their noses to the grindstone through our oversight process. Insisting on right-sizing and decentralization of decisionmaking for allocation of personnel is a far better way to go than just say here is an arbitrary cap that will result in arbitrary results.
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order. Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order against page 14, line 9, beginning with the words ``provided further'' through line 19. This provision violates clause 2…
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order.
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order against page 14, line 9, beginning with the words ``provided further'' through line 19.
This provision violates clause 2 of rule XXI. It changes existing law and, therefore, constitutes legislating on an appropriations bill in violation of House rules.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the last word.
Mr. Chairman, I want to also thank the committee Chair, the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers), for his leadership on this issue, the great job he is doing on homeland security. The gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio) and I have the honor and privilege of serving with him as the ranking member of the Subcommittee on Aviation. I understand the frustration of the gentleman. Both the gentleman from Oregon (Mr. DeFazio) and me are very frustrated with the operation of TSA. However, I rise in opposition to eliminating the screening cap of 45,000 that the Committee on Appropriations has placed on TSA.
I did not coordinate my remarks with the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr.
Rogers), but ironically he got up and said we were promised in the beginning, it took, they said, maybe 26,000 it would take the private sector to add fewer screeners; and we can debate the merits and or demerits of what they did. And then we were told 30,000; and then we were told 35,000 would do the job; and then 40,000 would do the job. Only give us 50,000; and one day we woke up and there were 60,000 TSA employees.
Now, they did a job that was mandated by Congress, and they put all those folks out there. But at some point it got to be exactly what the chairman described. Thousands standing around. It became a joke. And what we had to do was right-size that agency. We got something in place; and it was, no question, overstaffed.
One of the problems with this is that a defect in the organization of TSA, and this is no offense to TSA, Congress organized it. But we created basically, and I have said this publicly before, a Soviet-style Moscow-centered, in this case Washington-centered, bureaucracy.
The Chair just described the process of hiring a person, a vacancy in San Francisco and then waiting days and weeks. We just waited 6 months for TSA to finalize its most recent screener allocations. They just released them. I am the chairman. I represent Orlando International Airport at one of the busiest tourist destinations in the United States. We needed 124 part-time positions before Christmas. I still do not have the part-time screeners that we need there. They cannot get it right.
Please do not believe that bigger government, just give us 10,000 more, 20,000 more, will solve this. It will not. It has to be decentralized. It has to be localized. And that is what we intend to do.
We do have 14 airports that have automated inline screening systems, and you heard the reduction in personnel, just at one example; and more will come online, so we actually need fewer screeners.
The performance rate of even the screeners we have, I hate to say this, I invite every Member of Congress to receive the classified results. The Inspector General testified before us publicly; we had Federal screening and five demonstration public screening operations compared with all Federal screening operations, and the Inspector General described the results that they performed equally poorly.
I say that TSA is mostly a mirage. We are fortunate that we have secured cockpit doors, that we have armed air marshals, that we in fact have pilots that have been armed. That gives us this protection, not this mirage you see. A bigger mirage is not going to solve it. What is going to solve it is decentralization of the process and then better technology. Go to New Jersey. You do not need an invitation. See our test center. See equipment that will detect weapons, will detect explosives. That is what we need in place.
I will say, no matter how hard they try and how many employees they get, 40, 50, 60,000, they will never get it right from Washington in this bureaucratized, centralized operation. It will never be able to service the needs, the requirements of 440 airports with different schedules.
Think of Dulles out here. They are going to have Independence Air with 300 additional flights. Well, that is not in the allocation that they just took 6 months to get. It will take them months and months to get it right. So we need to vote down this amendment and correct the deficiencies in TSA.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. I do rise in support of this rule and against the argument that has been made by the gentlewoman from Connecticut and to some extent by the…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. I do rise in support of this rule and against the argument that has been made by the gentlewoman from Connecticut and to some extent by the gentleman from Wisconsin, which is that we should defeat the previous question in order to amend the rule because the Committee on Rules did not make in order an amendment which was added in the committee by the gentlewoman from Connecticut.
That amendment should not be made in order. It is not in order on this bill. It is a sweeping amendment that would change the entire tax laws of the United States. It would change all of our rules and regulations that we are required to adhere to under the World Trade Organization, and it ought to be thoroughly debated and vetted in the proper venue, in the Committee on Appropriations, and not on the floor of this House as an amendment. So it is indeed correct that it is not made in order and should be stricken. But let me talk just a moment about the substance of this.
The idea here is that somehow that Accenture should not be allowed to bid on the US-VISIT program. The idea is that Accenture is avoiding paying U.S. taxes and has some sort of unfair competitive advantage, but that is simply not true. Neither the employees of Accenture are avoiding paying taxes, nor is the company avoiding paying any taxes on any of its obligations or any of its profits that are made here in the United States. The company pays its taxes on all of its U.S.-generated income. In fact, its effective tax rate for the year 2004 is 34.8 percent.
Now, the national average for all corporations is 19 percent. The tax rate for its two major competitors for this bid were Lockheed Martin and Computer
Sciences Corporation and their tax rates were 31.3 percent and 28 percent respectively. That is based on their last 10-K filing. So it is simply false to say that this is a company that is not paying its taxes. It does not receive any tax advantage by having its ultimate parent incorporated in Bermuda. So here we have a company that is actually paying higher taxes than its competitors who bid on this. It is paying much higher taxes than the average corporate rate.
So it is simply not true to say that Accenture is trying to avoid paying taxes.
The second assumption that is wrong in this argument is that Accenture has done a corporate inversion. That is that they incorporated, they went to Bermuda in order to avoid paying this taxes. It is not a corporate inversion. It did not move its place of incorporation from the U.S. to Bermuda with the intent of avoiding paying U.S. taxes. If has never been a U.S.-based corporation and it has never operated under a U.S. parent corporation. In fact, the General Accounting Office in the report that it did in October 2002 about corporate inversions did not even list Accenture as a government contractor that undertook a corporate inversion.
Finally, there is the faulty assumption that only the U.S. companies should provide products and services to the Federal Government.
Nothing, Mr. Speaker, nothing could be further, more wrong-headed than that. We rely, we are a service based economy, and we rely very heavily on being able to bid and open up contracts in other countries. We have worked in the World Trade Organizations in all the trade negotiations in order to try to make sure that we had good provisions in there for procurement, government procurement contracts. This would just invite the kind of retaliation that would say that our corporations, our major contractors cannot bid on an airport being built in Tokyo or a major oil contract in Saudi Arabia. It invites that kind of retaliation because it says that we are not going to abide by our own World Trade Organizations rules.
I would say in closing, Mr. Chairman, this amendment that was added in the Committee on Appropriations is the simply paying politics application with the award of this contract. It is based on faulty assumptions to score some political points. Any delay in implementing contracts puts the American people at risk. It would further delay a vitally important contract to us, and I urge that we approve the previous question and approve this rule.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Sweeney amendment and in appreciation to the New York and New Jersey delegations and many…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in strong support of the Sweeney amendment and in appreciation to the New York and New Jersey delegations and many from Chicago and other areas that are supporting this important amendment.
Mayor Bloomberg is watching this debate, and his office just sent me a note and asked me to clarify on the floor today that New York City got $90 million last year out of the $3 billion given out for homeland security to State and local governments; $35 million in high-threat money, and $53 million from the State grant program, bringing the total to $90 million out of $3 billion for New York City. His office asked me to note to this body that last year New York City spent well over $1 billion on homeland security, and I really am urging my colleagues to do the right thing for the security of our Nation and support the Sweeney amendment.
It has been 2\1/2\ years since 9/11, and we have heard numerous reports, intelligence reports, as my colleague, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Kirk) mentioned, and I support his comments completely; and numerous warnings about terrorist plans for more strikes on America. Alert after alert, Code Orange after Code Orange, we hear that the terrorists have their sights on
high-impact targets. In other words, the terrorists continue to want to strike centers of power and population, just as they did on 9/11. Their goal is to kill as many as possible, send as big a message as possible, and disrupt American institutions as much as possible.
Mr. Chairman, despite that knowledge, our homeland security funding since 9/11 has been, in large part, misguided. We continue to push limited resources through a bad formula that sends a disproportionate amount of money to prairies and pastures rather than population centers. We cannot wait out the game being played with that formula, because the terrorists do not plan on waiting for us to be ready.
Mr. Chairman, the Sweeney amendment will bring one measure of immediate assistance to the cities and communities that are squarely in the terrorists' bull's eye. All we are asking is that we do what President Bush wants. After 2 years of misguided homeland security budgets, the President finally called for a doubling of the Urban Area Security Initiative funds in his budget proposal. Sending more assistance to the communities most at risk is the best way to get the money where the threat is, right now.
New York is terrorist target number 1. Everyone says that. And I repeat, we have spent over $1 billion out of our own pocket for security, but we have gotten a mere fraction of that back from the Federal Government. There is no reason that New Yorkers should have to watch New York City close down over six firehouses. We have fewer police and fire today than we had on 9/11. The radios that did not work on 9/11 still do not work. The HAZMAT suits destroyed on 9/11 have not been replaced. Yet, there are press reports across this country about many communities getting money, and they even say to the press we do not know what to do with it. We should not be sending more gas masks to certain areas than there are even police officers, sending more homeland assistance to low-threat communities than they know what to do with while our high-threat communities struggle to keep their heads above water. It is not fair, it is not smart, and it certainly is not secure.
At the very least, this amendment sends the message to the American people that we do, in fact, understand the need to base assistance on where the threat is and, more importantly, it finally sends more assistance to the communities that desperately need it. The Sweeney amendment does exactly what the President's budget requested.
So I request my colleagues to join us in supporting this.
I yield to the gentleman from Kentucky.
In 2004.
Mr. Chairman, reclaiming my time, a point of clarification. The numbers that I cited came from the Mayor of the City of New York. His office literally called up, they are watching the debate, and said, please clarify, New York City got $90 million out of the $3 billion.
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of this bill, and I really want to thank the chairman for doing an exceptionally good job in putting this bill together, for lots of reasons, but primarily…
Mr. Chairman, I rise today in support of this bill, and I really want to thank the chairman for doing an exceptionally good job in putting this bill together, for lots of reasons, but primarily because the basic formula grants have been raised by $550 million, $36.7 million of which goes to the State of Missouri.
Because I represent a very rural district, 28 counties, I have no large cities, the largest city in my district is 33,000 people, it is the premier agricultural district in Missouri. It is one in which, if I was a terrorist, I would want to take advantage of the psychological fear that I could use to impact the entire population of rural America.
We have heard time and again that hundreds of U.S. Department of Agriculture documents have been found in abandoned al Qaeda caves. It is also reported that a significant part of the al Qaeda training manual is devoted to agricultural terrorism. This is a frightening fact when Members recall the purported terrorist interest in crop dusters, and there are probably 150 crop dusters running every single day in my district during this particular season.
Our food supply comes from rural areas and that is one big reason to make sure that our rural areas continue receiving some level of homeland security funding. Nobody is immune from terrorism. While I think it is so very important and critical to protect our high-density urban areas, just remember that the food supply is something that is important for every single person in this country. We rely on that food supply to be safe and secure. It is very easy, it is very much easier to disrupt a food supply than it would be to cause an incident oftentimes in a high-density area.
I think of the Mississippi River. That is my eastern border. We have millions of tons of chemicals and fertilizer moving up and down the river on barges. Not only does that present a clear danger and threat if tampered with, but it is just important. I think that the chairman has put together a very balanced bill, one that recognizes the needs of rural America as well as our urban cities. I ask all of my colleagues to support this bill. I thank the chairman for really treating all of the country fairly.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to my good friend, the gentleman from New York's (Mr. Sweeney) amendment. This is not easy to do, because the tragedy that New Yorkers and so many from the surrounding area felt on 9/11 was our Nation's tragedy and touched every person in every community in America.
But our Nation's urban areas are not the only areas at risk in the United States today. We cannot disregard the many what-ifs facing first responders and others working to secure our rural areas.
What if a catastrophe occurs on a barge carrying fertilizers or other dangerous chemicals through the Upper Mississippi River or its many tributaries? What if a truck carrying a payload of toxic materials is hijacked on the thousands of miles of our Nation's rural highways? What if terrorists seek to operate training grounds with the purpose of planning terrorist attacks in our rural areas?
Clearly, there is an obvious need to equip our Nation's cities with adequate resources to prevent and respond to emergency situations, but it is also not responsible to suggest that urban areas are the sole targets of those individuals who wish to do us harm.
Mr. Chairman, homeland security efforts in our urban areas are funded more than adequately in the underlying legislation, and I, for one, cannot in good conscience tell my neighbors in Cape Girardeau, Missouri or my constituents in Rolla or West Plains, or even those who live near prairies and pastures, that protection of their lives is any less important than those who live in New York City, Los Angeles, or Chicago.
I urge my colleagues to oppose the Sweeney amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I am grateful to the gentleman from Kentucky and the gentleman from Minnesota for their conscientious and cooperative efforts reflected in this bill. The bill directs much-needed…
Mr. Chairman, I am grateful to the gentleman from Kentucky and the gentleman from Minnesota for their conscientious and cooperative efforts reflected in this bill.
The bill directs much-needed resources to transportation security, Customs, and border protection, and it funds the BioShield program that will play a vital role in our preparation for bioterrorist attacks.
Given the very limited funds that the gentleman from Kentucky (Mr. Rogers) and the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Sabo) were allocated, theirs was not an easy or enviable task, and I fear the final result does reflect the poor hand our subcommittee was dealt.
During recent funding debates, we have often heard Republican leaders say that there are simply no funds available to provide what is needed. I suspect we will hear it again tonight.
What we will not hear them say is that since 9/11 we have spent 22 times as much on tax cuts as we have on protecting the American people from terrorist attacks. That is 22 times as much, for tax cuts mainly aimed at the most privileged people in America.
Look at the numbers. State formula grants, the bread and butter of first responder funding, have been cut by over 25 percent. Fire grants have been cut by 20 percent. Grants to our police and law enforcement have been hit hard, too. These programs were a critical source of funding for first responders long before 9/11. By cutting them, we are in effect deciding that our police and firefighters need less funding in the post-9/11 era, not more.
Listen to how FEMA describes the bleakness of this situation: A new study shows that more than two-thirds of fire departments in this country operate with staffing levels that do not meet the minimum safe staffing levels required by OSHA and the National Fire Protection Association.
Not only are our first responders ill-equipped and understaffed to handle potential attacks, they are also struggling to respond to the everyday disasters of crime and accidents and fires and hurricanes and floods.
It is true, Mr. Chairman, that this bill increases funding for the urban area security initiative. That is terrific news for a handful of big cities, and it does make sense, but first responders in rural and suburban areas and in smaller cities need support, too. Increases for this initiative are no match for the Draconian cuts in overall State grants.
Mr. Chairman, the House leadership and the President have shown incredible willpower and resolve in ramming trillion dollar tax cuts through this Congress. Yet when it comes to protecting our homeland and supporting our first responders, they say their hands are tied. They claim to be tough on terror, but talk is cheap and, unfortunately, so are Congress and this administration when it comes to supporting our first responders.
Mr. Chairman, I regret that the gentleman from Tennessee would not yield for a question, but let me just say a couple of things.
One is that no matter how heated this debate gets I will never call his comments drivel, and if my tongue happened to slip and I used that term, I assure him I would apologize.
Secondly, I want to note that the gentleman's notion that the budget allocation, which is what I was talking about, the budget allocation given the Homeland Security subcommittee, is not related to revenue policy, is a noval concept. You do not have to have a whole lot of education to understand that the size of tax cuts determines how much money there is to allocate.
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words. Mr. Chairman, this debate seems to be occurring almost in a vacuum, because it seems to ignore the fact that we are at war. There was a…
Mr. Chairman, I move to strike the requisite number of words.
Mr. Chairman, this debate seems to be occurring almost in a vacuum, because it seems to ignore the fact that we are at war. There was a very serious war launched upon us by the Jihadists, the Islamists, whenever you want to call them. They want to kill as many Americans as possible. Where you get the biggest bang for the buck is in an urban area, because you can kill a lot of people in a small area. If a plane crashes on a farm, maybe you kill a person or two, but not too many more.
We are not responding properly. We are not taking it seriously enough. We ought to be spending billions and billions of dollars to properly protect all of the threatened areas of this country, all of our cities, all of our nuclear power plants, all of our chemical plants. We ought to do a threat assessment on the whole country. We ought to repeal some of the tax cuts and spend the money to defend ourselves and take it as seriously as we did in 1942, but we are not doing that.
And since we are not doing that, we have to prioritize the money that we do have, the grossly inadequate amounts of money; maybe more than last year, but the grossly inadequate amounts of money to protect ourselves against our enemies. We have to prioritize them where the real threats are. There should not be a grant on the basis of population.
In 1942, when Admiral Nimitz had to decide where to send the fleet, he did not look at where the population was on the West Coast or in Midway or in Hawaii; he said, where is the Japanese fleet likely to attack, and that is where you spend the money and send the aircraft carriers.
We are probably going to be attacked again. Thousands of people may die, and our job is with the money that is made available to spend it in the way most likely to minimize the casualties in this country.
That is what this amendment seeks to do. Is it fair? No, it is not fair. It would be fair if we spent a few billion dollars more to defend our people. That would be more fair.
But we do not have that money. It is a different debate. We should spend the money based on the threat, and the threat we know, as the gentleman from Illinois said before, we know where the enemy, where Osama bin Laden and his friends and confederates, we know what they are looking at. They are looking at our major urban areas. They are looking at the Space Needle in Seattle, the Sears Tower in Chicago and so forth.
Yes, the bill that the committee propounded in some respects is better than the inadequate proposal that the President made, and I commend the committee for it; but this amendment makes it better yet.
The fact of the matter is, we passed a tax bill earlier today that gives great breaks for tobacco farmers. It has a tobacco buyout in it. I did not hear anybody from New York saying, my God, we should not do that. Nobody in New York benefits. Nobody in New York benefits from the wheat subsidy. We do not complain about that because we do not have any wheat farmers in New York. We should not benefit from the wheat subsidy.
The money that is appropriated by this Congress ought to go where the need is for the purpose for which it is appropriated. The money that is appropriated to defend us in a war ought to go where it is going to be maximally efficient in its use in protecting Americans from enemy attack. That is what this amendment does. That is why it ought to be adopted. Everything else is irrelevant.
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[H. Res. 675 Engrossed in House (EH)]
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
June 16, 2004.
Resolved, That at any time after the adoption of this resolution the Speaker
may, pursuant to clause 2(b) of rule XVIII, declare the House resolved into the
Committee of the Whole House on the state of the Union for consideration of the
bill (H.R. 4567) making appropriations for the Department of Homeland Security
for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2005, and for other purposes. The first
reading of the bill shall be dispensed with. All points of order against
consideration of the bill are waived. General debate shall be confined to the
bill and shall not exceed one hour equally divided and controlled by the
chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on Appropriations. After
general debate the bill shall be considered for amendment under the five-minute
rule. Points of order against provisions in the bill for failure to comply with
clause 2 of rule XXI are waived except as follows: the proviso under the heading
``United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology''; the proviso
under the heading ``Customs and Border Protection, Automation Modernization'';
the proviso under the heading ``Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Automation
Modernization''; the final proviso under the heading ``Transportation Security
Administration, Aviation Security''; the words ``notwithstanding any other
provision of law'' under the heading ``State and Local Programs''; the second
proviso under the heading ``National Pre-Disaster Mitigation Fund''; section
512; the final proviso in section 513; sections 514, 515, 519, and 520; all
after the word ``met'' in section 524; section 525, and subsection 526(b). Where
points of order are waived against part of a paragraph or section, points of
order against a provision in another part of such paragraph or section may be
made only against such provision and not against the entire paragraph or
section. During consideration of the bill for amendment, the Chairman of the
Committee of the Whole may accord priority in recognition on the basis of
whether the Member offering an amendment has caused it to be printed in the
portion of the Congressional Record designated for that purpose in clause 8 of
rule XVIII. Amendments so printed shall be considered as read. At the conclusion
of consideration of the bill for amendment the Committee shall rise and report
the bill to the House with such amendments as may have been adopted. The
previous question shall be considered as ordered on the bill and amendments
thereto to final passage without intervening motion except one motion to
recommit with or without instructions.
Attest:
Clerk.