A resolution to amend rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate relating to the consideration of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the Senate.
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21 membersWhat members said about S.Res. 138 on the floor
Mr. President, Republican partisans are acting as if Senate Democrats were treating President Bush's judicial nominees the way Republicans treated President Clinton's. That is not the case. We have…
Mr. President, Republican partisans are acting as if Senate Democrats were treating President Bush's judicial nominees the way Republicans treated President Clinton's. That is not the case. We have worked hard to repair much of the damage of Republican mistreatment of President Clinton's nominees. When we led the Senate we moved forward at twice the rate that Republicans had and during our leadership 100 of President Bush's judicial nominees were confirmed. This year we have proceeded to consider and confirm another 25 lifetime judicial appointments. I would understand the partisanship if Democrats had held up consideration of 125 judicial nominees and the Senate had only confirmed two, but just the opposite is true.
I understand the frustration that Senator Frist feels regarding the continuing impasse over the nominations of Mr. Estrada and Judge Owen. I am sorry that the White House has chosen confrontation over cooperation with the Senate on these matters. It is too bad that this White House will not work with us, as Senator Bennett and others have indicated was reasonable, in order to provide access to the materials we requested from Mr. Estrada and the Justice Department one year ago today. With respect to the renomination of Judge Owen, I have said that unprecedented renomination of a judicial nominee rejected after a hearing and a fair debate and vote before the Judiciary Committee was ill advised. It remains so.
Along with the other members of the Judiciary Committee, I have voted on the Estrada and Owen nominations. We have not taken the course of prior Republican leadership in which any Senator was allowed to block President Clinton's judicial nominees by use of a secret, anonymous hold. Instead, Democrats acted over the last few years to reform the confirmation process. We have added openness and accountability. What we have not been able to do is obtain a fair level of consultation and cooperation from this White House. We made home State Senators' ``blue slips'' matters of public record. When Republican Senators stymied Judiciary Committee consideration of President Clinton's judicial nominations, they were permitted to do so under the cloak of confidentiality. I changed that in 2001.
The Republican myth of a ``crisis'' in the Senate is punctured by the facts, which show the lowest judicial vacancy rate in 13 years--lower than the national jobless rate of 6 percent.
Court-packing by Presidents of either party is harmful, and I have spoken out often about the need to preserve the independence of our Federal judiciary. The world's emerging democracies envy the judicial independence in the American system, and we should make every effort to defend it, not to undermine it, as the escalating tactics of this administration would do. Just last month the administration and congressional Republicans turned a deaf ear when Chief Justice Rehnquist warned against the assault on the independence of the judiciary when so-called sentencing ``reforms'' were tacked on to a popular bill without hearings or careful consideration.
The White House says it opposes judicial activism, but the President sends the Senate activist nominees. The White House itself pushes results-oriented changes in the rules of the Senate, which is a separate branch of Government. This White House is not satisfied with its subjugation of the House and Senate to its will and removing Congress as a check on the Executive. They also want to pack the independent Federal courts. Republicans are not satisfied with means undermining the independence of the Senate, they are embarked on a course to undermine the independence of the Federal judiciary, as well. They already have convinced Senate Republicans to bend and even break the Judiciary Committee's rules in the handling of judicial nominees. Now they want to change the rules of the Senate itself in a raw bid for unitary government, directed by the White House. The American people and their representatives in the Senate should not let the Senate or the Federal judiciary become mere arms of any political party or any President.
The President's charges about obstruction would be easier to understand if the numbers themselves did not disprove them. The President and some Republicans in the Senate seem to be suffering from confirmation amnesia. The Democratic-led Senate confirmed 100 of his judicial nominees, acting far faster than Republicans did with President Clinton's nominees. We have confirmed another 24 this year for a total so far of 125 and achieved the lowest judicial vacancy rate in 13 years. The vacancy rate on the Federal bench today is 5.3 percent, which is lower than the national jobless rate of 6 percent. Unemployment has soared, the deficit has soared, crime is on the rise for the first time in a decade--about the only thing that has gone down significantly over the last 2 years is Federal judicial vacancies. Yet the White House complains that it has not been able to bully the Senate into rubber-stamping every one of the White House's ideological choices. Democratic Senators have cooperated to improve the process so that it has worked much more smoothly for President Bush's nominees than Republicans allowed for President Clinton's nominees.
The fact is that 125 have been confirmed, and two have been held back. You would not know that by listening to the President's remarks last Friday or to Republican talking points or various attack ads now being broadcast around the country in a partisan effort to intimidate Senators.
Democrats held hearings on more nominees faster than Republicans had and proceeded on controversial nominations. We have cooperated this year in bringing many controversial nominations to the floor for votes. When Republicans controlled the Senate during the last Democratic administration, they blocked more than 60 judicial nominees. And they were blocked not with cloture votes in the light of day, but sometimes by a single, anonymous Republican objection. And yes, there were also Republican filibusters of President Clinton's nominees.
The answer for handling the remaining controversial nominees is not reckless rhetoric or undermining the Senate's independence by changing its rules so that the independence of the Federal judiciary can become a victim to partisan court-packing. The answer has to start with the President, where the process begins. Despite his earlier promises, the President has been a divider and not a uniter in choosing many of his nominees, who would roll back the hard-won rights of workers, women, minorities and consumers, and who would side with the big polluters over communities when it comes to clean air and water. Several of his choices have divided the American people, and they have divided the Senate. We have drawn a line with a few of his most extreme choices. Drawing that line has been the responsible response to this President's divisive nominations for lifetime positions on the Federal courts.
This President campaigned saying he wanted to change the tone in Washington. He has--for the worse. The White House has adopted the rabid partisanship of House Republicans. The President of the United States has sunk to name-calling, extreme rhetoric and partisan campaigning against the Senate and individual Senators, which is not helpful to the process or to the institutions of our government.
The answer is for the administration to work with the Senate, as earlier Presidents have done. The process starts with the President, and the buck stops with the President.
Here on the Senate floor, when Senators have opposed the most divisive of the President's nominees with whom he is seeking to pack the courts and ideologically tilt them, we have done so on the record. We have debated and put forth the considerations and reasons. That, too, was something all too often missing from the years in which Republicans defeated judicial nominees through stealth tactics. We have voted on the record in vote after vote required by Republican cloture petitions.
Unfortunately, in the case of Mr. Estrada, the administration has made no effort to work with us and resolve the impasse. Instead, there has been a series of votes on cloture petitions in which the opposition has grown and from time to time the support has waned. Recently, there have been press reports indicating that Mr. Estrada had asked the White House months ago to withdraw his nomination. I understand his frustration. If this administration is not going to follow the practice of every other administration and share with the Senate the government work papers of the nominee--the very practice this administration followed with an EPA nominee in 2001--then I can understand him not wanting to be used as a political pawn by the administration to score partisan, political points. That the administration has not acceded to his reported request but has plowed ahead to force a succession of unsuccessful cloture votes and to foment division in our Hispanic community for partisan gain is another example of how far this administration is willing to go to politicize the process at the expense of its own nominees.
The frustration with these two difficult nominations should not obscure the work that the Senate leadership has done to correct some of the abuses of power earlier this year and pave the way for votes on the nominations of Jeffrey Sutton and Judge Cook to the Sixth Circuit and John Roberts to the DC Circuit. There were more votes against the Sutton nomination than the number required for a filibuster, but there was no filibuster of that nomination. Just as there was no filibuster of the controversial nomination of Mr. Tymkovich to the Tenth Circuit or of the controversial nomination of Judge Dennis Shedd to the Fourth Circuit. All three of these circuit court nominations were controversial and opposed by many Americans and many Senators.
The President's recent comments took the Republican Chairman of the Judiciary Committee to task for, among other things, not holding a hearing on the nomination of Judge Terry Boyle. I understand that Chairman Hatch is following a longstanding tradition of the Senate in not proceeding with a nomination that is opposed by a home State Senator. After all, it was Senator Helms' opposition to Judge Beaty and Judge Wynn, as well as to Roger Gregory and a number of others, that has led to there being numerous vacancies on the Fourth Circuit. Having honored Senator Helms' objections, Chairman Hatch would be seen as hypocritical and partisan if he were to ignore the concerns of Democratic home State Senators. Among the difficulties the chairman of the Judiciary Committee has faced since 2001 are the high number of judicial nominees of this White House that do not have home State Senator support. So when the President attacks the Senate for not having acted on nominations that the White House knows does not have the support of home State Senators, he is not being fair to the Senate, to the chairman or to the nominees. The White House knows that judicial nominations do not proceed without the support of home State Senators. Yet this administration continues to belittle the role of home State Senators in the advice and consent process and ignore the important role they have long played in Senate consideration of judicial nominees.
Another example is the nomination of Judge Carolyn Kuhl to the Ninth Circuit. This is a nomination that is opposed by both home State Senators. Proceeding on such a nomination is unprecedented. Yet Senate Republicans have forced the nomination out of the Judiciary Committee on a party-line vote after knowing that Senator Feinstein and Senator Boxer both oppose confirmation.
The last time the Senate voted on a nomination opposed by both home State Senators was only because the Republican caucus ambushed the nomination of Judge Ronnie White of Missouri on the Senate floor in 1999 after one of the Missouri Senators switched from supporting the nomination to opposing it the day of the vote. They proceeded without telling the administration, Senate Democrats or the nominee of the change of position and a number of Republican Senators who had previously voted in favor of the nomination changed their positions, as well, and the nomination was defeated on the only party-line vote to defeat a judicial nominee in Senate history of which I am aware.
With respect to Senator Frist's resolution, S. Res. 138, I look forward to the work of the Rules Committee on this proposal. Initially, I would observe that voting on judicial nominations is unlike Senate consideration of legislation in the way that imposing capital punishment is unlike any other criminal sentence. It is final and irrevocable. A bad statute once enacted can be amended or repealed. A bad judge is on the bench for life and will continue to affect American's rights, our freedoms and our environment in case after case for decades to come, long after the President who appointed that judge is gone. Given that dimension, I believe Senator Frist got his proposal upside down by seeking to exempt judicial nominations from Senate debate rules. It is more important that there be a higher level of confidence and certainty that a judicial nomination being considered for a lifetime appointment be the right person for the job, be a person of fairness, impartiality, judgment and someone committed to our constitutional values. The rights of women, minorities, consumers, workers and those concerned about the environment should not be sacrificed to political expediency and the independence of our federal courts should not be lost to ideological court packing by this administration.
Others will no doubt point out that Senator Frist voted against a proposal in 1995 to revise the Senate filibuster rules. I have pointed out in other statements how many Republicans supported the filibusters against President Clinton's executive calendar nominees, including the judicial nominations of Judge Marsha Berzon and Judge Richard Paez, the last most recent double filibuster in 2000, and the nominations of Judge Rosemary Barkett and Judge H. Lee Sarokin. In addition, recent Republican filibusters succeeded in defeating the nominations of Dr. Henry Foster to be Surgeon General and Sam Brown to be an ambassador. Republicans have not been shy about using filibusters to defeat the nominees of the most recent Democratic President or stall legislation some of them oppose. Just last year, in their tributes to Senator Thurmond, Republicans extolled his use of the filibuster and his setting a record for the longest individual filibuster in Senate history. What they left out of their tributes was the fact that Senator Thurmond had filibustered civil rights legislation.
Others may also point out how many Republicans have proposed supermajority requirements. Not only have Republicans abandoned their commitment to fiscal responsibility and their call for a balanced budget, they have forgotten that they insisted in recent years on three-fifths requirements to raise the debt ceiling or have taxes apply retroactively. Senator Craig and Senator Miller currently support a proposal, S.J. Res. 2, to require a balanced Federal budget that includes a three-fifths rollcall vote of each chamber to increase the debt limit. Last year Senator Sessions introduced a measure, S.J. Res. 11, cosponsored by Senators Crapo, Kyl, Fitzgerald, Hagel, Inhofe and Shelby to require a two-thirds vote of each House in order to increase any tax. Of course, in the 105th Congress, along with former Senators Ashcroft and Abraham, who are now Cabinet secretaries in this administration, Senators Allard, Bennett, Bond, Brownback, Burns, Campbell, Cochran, Collins, Craig, DeWine, Domenici, Enzi, Frist, Grassley, Gregg, Hagel, Hutchison, Inhofe, Kyl, Lott, Lugar, McCain, McConnell, Nickles, Roberts, Santorum, Sessions, Shelby, Smith, Snowe, Specter, Stevens, Thomas and Warner all cosponsored S.J. Res. 1 which would have required a three-fifths majority requirement to raise the debt ceiling.
The Senate was not designed by the founders or the Constitution to be a strictly majoritarian institution. To the contrary, the genius of the Framers at the Constitutional Convention was to construct a House of Representatives, structured on majoritarian principles with representatives voting on behalf of relatively equal numbers of constituents, and the Senate using different principles. The Senate has always had two Senators for each State regardless of size. Thus, small States like Vermont and Rhode Island and less populous States like Wyoming, Idaho and Alaska each have equal representation with California, Texas and New York. The Senate and the House are not the same and were not intended to be the same. They were designed to be complimentary institutions of government to form a balanced legislature. I understand why proposals like S. Res. 138 might appeal to newer Republican Senators and to former House Members who are now Republican in the Senate but I fear it would represent another ill- advised step to change the Senate into a second House of Representatives. The Constitution did not assign the advice and consent role to the House but to our distinctive body, the Senate. The Senate has many distinctive traditions including, to me, one of the most significant--that smaller States have a larger role to play in the Senate than in the House.
It is a bit ironic, to say the least, that an administration that was selected with less popular vote than the Democratic Presidential candidate because of a court decision and the workings of the electoral college is now pressing so vociferously to change the Senate rules and allow judicial and executive branch confirmations approved by the barest of ``majorities''--of only those Senators present and voting at the time the Republican Senate majority chooses to call the vote.
In addition, given the Senate's structure, the administration's pretense that somehow the votes of a majority of Senators shows that a majority of Americans favor a nomination may not be factually accurate. For example, Senate Republicans have complained bitterly and resentfully about the Senate's failure to end debate on the nomination of Judge Owen. But the Senators who have voted to end debate represent less than 50 percent of the population of the United States and the Senators who have voted not to end
that debate represent the majority of the American population. Now, put that way, the decision of the Senate on this controversial nominee hardly seem anti-democratic.
I respect the role of the Senate and the ways in which it has traditionally functioned on behalf of the American people. Any rule or practice can be used for ill, of course. For instance, the Senate grants significant authority to committees and to chairs of committees to determine the Senate's agenda and business. Traditionally, when a committee votes down a nominee, that nomination does not go forward. We have made one recent exception for the nomination of Judge Bork to the Supreme Court. That led to a heated battle on the Senate floor that resulted in that nomination ultimately being rejected by the Senate. Never in our history has the Senate or an administration simply overridden the judgment of the Judiciary Committee. That is what this administration chose to do when it renominated Judge Owen after her nomination had been thoroughly and fairly considered last year.
Finally, I am troubled that the administration and Senate Republicans are so intent on changing the rules and procedures and practices of the Senate in so many ways to gerryrig the process in favor of the administration's most extreme, divisive and controversial nominees. That was not the motivation behind the amendment of rule 22 in 1975 that I supported. It used to be rare that judicial nominees would receive so many negative votes and engender so much opposition. In accordance with the consultation and cooperation that prevailed between administrations before this one and Senators from both parties, it was a rarity to have a contested nomination or to have close votes. That this administration is so fixated on forcing through the Senate nominees that do not have the support of more Senators is alarming in itself.
Consensus, mainstream, qualified nominees will get the support of not just a bare majority of Senators voting but the overwhelming majority of Senators. Thus, Judge Prado, and Judge Gregory, and Judge Raggi were confirmed with overwhelming bipartisan support. So, too, I am confident that Judge Consuelo Callahan will be the second Hispanic nominee of this administration to a circuit court to receive the strong support of Democratic Senators, when the leadership decides to schedule a vote on her confirmation. The 125 judicial confirmations to date are by and large conservative nominees but many enjoyed the strong bipartisan vote of Senators from both parties.
Yet Senate Republicans at the behest of the administration want to grant even more power to the administration by encouraging the President to nominate more controversial nominees. I respectfully suggest that the better way to proceed would be for the White House to work more closely with Democrats and Republicans in the Senate to identify consensus nominees who will not generate a close vote and do not need special rules in order to be considered.
I thank the majority leader for working with the Democratic leader and assistant leader to make what he himself recognized as progress over the last weeks. With some cooperation and consideration from the administration we could accomplish so much more.
Mr. President, I have been listening to this debate and the populist arguments being made by Democrats who seem to think that having Federal judgeship nominees treated fairly, as they always have…
Mr. President, I have been listening to this debate and the populist arguments being made by Democrats who seem to think that having Federal judgeship nominees treated fairly, as they always have been in the past, once they have been brought to the floor, seems to be not right because they think we ought to do something about jobs.
Well, why haven't they? This recession began in the last year of the Clinton administration. I went through just some of the things that show they have had a pattern of obstruction from day 1 around here since we have taken over control of the Senate.
The pattern of obstruction was set on the first day of the 108th Congress when the motion to adjourn was forced to a rollcall vote, something that is usually never done. The long overdue 2003 appropriations bills were finally enacted after we became the majority in 2003, on February 20.
For the first time in history, filibusters were used to defeat the President's circuit court nominees. I have mentioned upwards of 15 that some Democrats have told me they are going to filibuster. They are not going to filibuster all of them, but they are certainly filibustering already more than four. There are six right now by the time you get through with Friday.
I can tell you, there are a whole raft of others they are planning on filibustering. First time in history, treating a President like dirt, and these nominees, which is even more important in this sense, because these nominees--we are going to find that we cannot get the top people in the country to take these positions, especially if they are very liberal or very conservative, even though they are in the mainstream. And that is a big phony shibboleth. Every time they say: Well, they are outside the mainstream of American jurisprudence. They were saying that about Bill Pryor, criticizing the cases that he won as the Alabama attorney general before the Supreme Court. So who is out of the mainstream? It certainly is not Bill Pryor, nor is it any of these other nominees.
Like I say, Priscilla Owen, who has been held up for 3 years now-- better than 3 years--Priscilla Owen is on the Texas Supreme Court. She was one of the first women partners in this country. She broke through the ``glass ceiling'' for women. They ought to be giving her a medal instead of treating her in this despicable fashion, and they are only doing it because these inside-the-beltway groups control, in many respects, what they do. It all comes down to abortion.
Now, there are sincere people on both sides of that issue. That is why I did not allow the issue of abortion to stop otherwise qualified candidates from getting a vote up or down on the floor, even though I am personally pro-life and cannot imagine why anybody would want to go for a regime of abortion on demand. There were 1.6 million abortions a year at one time. Forty million abortions in this country--the barbaric practice of partial-birth abortion, which many of my colleagues voted for, even some on this side.
Let me go down a few further here: Needed legal reforms, I mentioned, to stop lawsuit abuse against doctors, businesses, and industries have been virtually banned by the tactics of the minority.
Jobs have been lost right and left because of their refusal to allow decent laws to be passed. Medical liability, class action reform, gun liability, and asbestos lawsuit reforms have all been subject to delays or filibusters by our colleagues on the other side.
As I said, we spent 22 days on an Energy bill last year, and then we had to spend 18 days on an Energy bill this year, when we basically enacted the same bill we did last year.
Bioshield legislation is very important for those of us who work heavily in the area of health care and antiterrorism. Bioshield legislation is necessary to ensure proper vaccines and medicines to counter bioterrorism attacks has still not cleared objections.
The State Department reauthorization was stalled by Democrats insisting upon unrelated poison-pill amendments being voted on prior to passage.
The District of Columbia appropriations bill is subject to a rolling filibuster threat over a provision giving low-income students school choice, where we spend over $11,000 per student and have the lousiest school system in the country.
Last year Senate Democrats failed to pass a budget resolution for the first time since the Budget Act was written in 1974, and they have the gall to come in here and say: Well, we ought to be taking care of jobs.
We are going to take care of jobs if we can get some cooperation from them. But all the taking care of jobs in the world may not amount to much if we do not have a good Federal judiciary to make this system work, to make sure our constitutional way of life continues.
They passed no welfare reform. They took no action to ban cloning. They passed no Medicare prescription drug plan. They confirmed a record low number of judges. They enacted only 2 of the 13 appropriations bills and delayed enactment of a Homeland Security Department for months. It is this
dismal record of inaction that Democrats hope to repeat.
Now, we are committed to delivering the Healthy Forests bill and the CARE Act to the President's desk. The Democrats are refusing to name conferees to the bill that passed with strong bipartisan support. I could go on and on.
But my friend from Nevada--it is kind of interesting to me that he would take 10 hours out of the Senate's time on Monday to filibuster, when we all came here prepared to vote on appropriations bills.
I think it is pretty bad to come in here and say that we should not do what we should for judges, when they themselves have been filibustering not just judges but virtually everything else with a slow walk.
I am glad to yield, without losing my right to the floor.
Sure.
That is correct.
That is correct. These are the most confidential private papers of the Solicitor General's Office, the lawyer who represents all of the public.
That is correct. Four of the seven former Solicitors General were leading Democrats, who said that what the Democrats are doing is wrong.
Right.
That is right.
They both worked there. They both were excellent appellate lawyers. By the way, Estrada worked not only with the Bush administration but with the Clinton administration. And he had high marks.
A unanimous voice vote on the floor, but only after waiting 12 years through three nominations by two different Presidents.
John Roberts, who was one of the finest appellate lawyers in the country, as was Miguel Estrada, was treated completely differently once the Judiciary Committee considered him. And I had to force them to consider him. Yet he passed this body by unanimous consent.
That is exactly right. They treated Miguel Estrada differently from John Roberts.
Not a legitimate reason. The only reason was they believed him to be pro-life. I don't know whether he is to this day because we do not ask those questions.
The phony reason.
The phony reason they hid behind.
But let me make this point. Miguel Estrada, as great an attorney as he is, having argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court, having the highest recommendation of the American Bar Association, their gold standard, they did not want him to come through this process because they knew, or at least they perceived, that he was on the fast track to become the first Hispanic on the Supreme Court and they just cannot tolerate having a conservative Hispanic on the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, let alone on the Supreme Court.
That is absolutely right. But even Roberts had to go through a lot of pain to get there--12 years waiting, nominated three times by two different Presidents.
We put him out of the committee after a 12-hour hearing. You hardly have that much for Supreme Court nominees. There were two others on that list. They complained because there were three on one day's hearing. They ignored the fact that Ted Kennedy, when he was chairman, had seven circuit nominees one day, and another four. We had at least 10 other times when we had three.
Then once we put him out of the committee, I had to bring him back in the committee so they could have another crack at him. They could not touch him. He was that good. So he had to go through an inordinate process to get there. But they knew they did not have anything on him. They know they didn't have anything on Miguel Estrada.
It was a double standard.
Absolutely right. Roberts was treated like all other nominees during the Reagan years, Bush 1 years, and the Clinton years. He was not asked to give his opinions on future issues that might come before the Circuit Court for the District of Columbia.
Because Miguel Estrada answered the same way basically as all the other people who had passed in prior years, they held that against him. The big phony issue was knowing that the Solicitor General's Office did not give the most privileged, private documents in that department without making that department unworkable.
That is right. They did treat Roberts differently, no question about it. They gave him a rough time, too. Miguel Estrada is in a league of his own in the way he was mistreated, but Roberts was mistreated, too. Roberts sits on the Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia after having been unanimously approved here.
Let's talk about how important that is. We have had 40 rollcall votes on the floor. You talk about delays. You talk about fouling up this body. We have had 40 rollcall votes on people who got unanimously confirmed. Can you imagine what it takes to go through 40 rollcall votes? It slows down the Senate like you can't believe, and muscles up the Senate like you can't believe. It is all a big game to try and make this President not successful. But Miguel Estrada had to go through that as well.
And, by the way, was never applied to any nominee, to my knowledge, in the past. Miguel Estrada was singled out with a double standard for the sole purpose of defeating his nomination and getting him to withdraw.
Their gold standard.
Very few people even argue one case.
It shows the lengths they would go to on that side--at least the leaders on that side--to screw up a nomination of a very good person.
Take Janice Rogers Brown. She is a terrific African-American justice on the California Supreme Court. She wrote the majority of the majority opinions on that court last year, and yet they come here and say she is outside the mainstream. They are outside the mainstream when they make arguments such as that.
There is only one reason they are against Janice Rogers Brown and filibuster her: because she is an African-American woman who is conservative and pro-life. For these inside-the-beltway groups, that is their single issue.
I had friends on the other side tell me, when I asked, ``Why are you doing this,'' say, ``Well, the groups will score this as a vote, and then they will come against whoever votes that way in the next election.'' These guys don't have the guts to take on the groups.
Better than that. She got 76 percent of the vote. She was the top vote-getter among four supreme court nominees.
I think the Senator makes a very good point.
It certainly is. I went to one of my friends on the other side--and I won't mention the name because I don't think that would be proper--and I said: What did you think of Janice Rogers Brown? His answer was: She's terrific--which she was in front of the committee. Yet every Democrat went against her in committee and I think cited horrendously bad arguments to do it.
They can point to 8 or 10 cases with which they didn't agree, but with which a lot of people do agree, and then they say she is outside the mainstream when she has tried hundreds of cases and decided, as a majority opinion writer, the most majority opinions in that court last year and I think in prior years as well.
It is really unseemly, and that is why we are so upset here. Let me tell you, if we continue down this course, we are going to severely harm the Federal judiciary and get only people who really are not only outside the mainstream, but are Milquetoast, who can't make a decision to save their lives. Once you get to the Federal bench, you have to be able to make tough decisions.
That is a frequent argument. I think the best illustration of that happens to be Bill Pryor.
They criticized him for cases he won before the Supreme Court, saying he is outside the mainstream because they disagreed with the cases. In fact, they think Rehnquist is out of the mainstream. They think Scalia is out of the mainstream. They certainly think Clarence Thomas is out of the mainstream because they want a single approach, a minority approach to everything that has to be liberal, and if you are not liberal, you are outside the mainstream, even though some of the greatest judges ever to sit on the Federal courts and Supreme Court were conservatives. Some of the great ones were liberals, too, but understood the role of judges.
Bill Pryor is getting savaged by the rightwing because he basically sued to have the chief justice removed for not following the rule of law.
That is absolutely correct. Just fast forward to this week. As the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported this week, Bill Pryor filed a pretrial brief asking the Alabama Court of the Judiciary to remove Judge Moore from the Alabama Supreme Court because of Moore's defiance of the Federal court order to remove the Ten Commandments display. Bill Pryor's brief stated, quoting from the Atlanta Journal Constitution article: Moore should be removed because ``he intentionally engaged in misconduct and because he remains unrepentant for his behavior.''
I could go on about Bill Pryor. During his hearing--a lengthy hearing--he was asked over and over by virtually every Democrat who showed up about his deeply held personal beliefs. He answered every question the way a judicial nominee should. Even though he had deeply held beliefs, he would obey the law.
I thank the Senator for his excellent questions.
Mr. President, I enjoyed the stirring remarks of my colleague. However, I think he completely ignores the fact that the filibuster rule did not even begin until 1917, and it did not come into fruition until the 1940s. Nevertheless, we have changed the rules in this body many times. But we are not asking for a change of the rules. We are asking for a recognition. There is a difference between the Executive Calendar, where the precise meaning of the Constitution is advise and consent under section 2, clause 2 of the Constitution, and the legislative calendar where we do have a right to filibuster. So that distinction needs to be made.
I yield 5 minutes to the distinguished Senator from Pennsylvania, and then I will be happy to take questions on this side.
I yield without losing my right to the floor a question of the Senator from----
I yield to the Senator from Colorado without losing my right to the floor.
I have laryngitis. What a time to have laryngitis. But that is the way it is. I apologize for my voice.
I sure do. The paper got it just right. I have seen three major editorials from the Chieftain and from the Rocky Mountain News calling the Democratic filibuster an irresponsible escalation of the judicial nominating war.
I agree with both. The Denver Post said ``a change in Senate procedure is long overdue.'' ``[T]here is no good reason to oppose a supermajority of the Senate that was not contemplated in the Constitution.''
They got it just right.
I yield to the distinguished Senator from Virginia without losing my right to the floor.
That is a good question because it seems as if our friends on the other side forget when they were in the majority and they had the Presidency and they all wanted votes up and down and all of a sudden they do not.
The Senator is right in pointing out these disparities. All of a sudden when the worm is turned, they do not want to live up to their own words. I am not sure that Senator Levin does not want to live up to his own words, but if he does want to live up to his own words, then he should not be voting with the Democrats. He should be voting for cloture.
Zero. Until this.
I will yield to the distinguished Senator from Virginia for a question and then I will yield to the distinguished Senator from Minnesota without losing my right to the floor.
The Senator will have his half hour in about 15 or 20 minutes.
That is the way I view it. I have to say this is a very dangerous thing the Democrats are doing for the first time in history. It has caused a tremendous amount of angst on everyone's part and awful partisanship because it has never been done before. It is time to move on.
I yield to the distinguished Senator from Minnesota.
I certainly do. That is what is behind this. I think the Senator points it out very well. So did George Will.
Not on my time.
About what? I did not hear the Senator.
I am not going to yield at this time to the distinguished Senator. I will yield to the distinguished Senator from Tennessee.
Yes.
That is right, in the history of the Senate. Absolutely, Will was right, because that same commentary was pointed out by Alexander Hamilton. He wrote in Federalist Paper 76 the Senate's role is to refuse nominations only for ``special and strong reasons'' having to do with ``unfit characters.'' That is not what our Democratic colleagues are doing. What they are doing here is denying up-and-down votes to very qualified people, who by their own gold standard, the American Bar Association, are proven to be qualified.
I believe it is abysmal that has happened. I think Senators have pointed out here this evening this is a very important debate that has to occur.
The American people need to know a militant minority, 45 Democrats, basically, is thwarting the will of the majority and taking away the dignity of an up-and-down vote to qualified judicial nominees by this President, which has never happened, once they hit the floor, which has never happened before.
In the Clinton years, all 377 judges were confirmed--only one was rejected, but he got an up-and-down vote, which is more than our people are getting.
I yield to the distinguished Senator from Tennessee, without losing my right to the floor.
Well, to be honest with you, it all comes down to abortion, according to some of my top Democrat friends. That has become a litmus test issue for Democrats because the inside-the-beltway groups the Democrats talk about do not want people on the courts who are pro- life, even though they are committed to upholding Roe v. Wade because that is the law of the land.
In the case of Judge Pickering, Judge Pickering was unanimously confirmed as a Federal district court judge in 1990. He has served well. He is one of the people who brought about racial conciliation in the State of Mississippi and was treated in a despicable fashion here.
In the case of Bill Pryor, I do not think anybody who looks at his record can say he will not uphold the law, no matter how much he disagrees with it, because that is what a judge will have to do.
That is right. If I recall it correctly, it had to do with partial-birth abortion, even though he hates partial-birth abortion, as anybody who looks at it carefully. It is a barbaric practice, at the very least. He upheld the law.
I do not know you can ask anything more of anybody than that. Plus, this is a fellow who graduated No. 1 in his class from Tulane University School of Law, who is very bright and was very candid and open with the committee, and yet being filibustered for no good reason. It really is unseemly.
The distinguished Senator raises some good points. There is no question the filibuster rule was despicably used during that time. But I still believe most of us would agree that rule XXII, the filibuster rule, can and should apply to the legislative calendar. We have a right to set our own rules through the legislative calendar. But the Executive Calendar is a calendar that is subject to our right to advise and consent, which under article II, section 2 is a majority vote, and it is being distorted by our friends on the other side.
Mr. President, tonight we embark upon an extraordinary session for the next 30 hours. Republicans and Democrats will debate the merits of three judicial nominees. We will be considering the meaning…
Mr. President, tonight we embark upon an extraordinary session for the next 30 hours. Republicans and Democrats will debate the merits of three judicial nominees. We will be considering the meaning of our constitutional responsibility to advise and consent on nominations. We will discuss whether there is a need to enact filibuster reform so that nominations taken to the floor can get a vote.
At the end of this time, the Senate will either vote on the nominees or we will try to break the minority's filibusters through cloture votes. Our goal is very simple: It is an up-or-down vote on these nominees. People can vote them up or they can vote them down. Just give us a vote.
We hold this extraordinary session for truly extraordinary reasons. In the history of this Senate, through 107 Congresses, the filibuster was never used to block confirmation of judicial nominees enjoying majority support. When the Senate has refused to confirm a nominee brought to the floor, it has done so on an up-or-down vote. Permitting a vote was fair to the nominees and fair to the President who sent them to us. In theory, the filibuster has always been available as a tool to derail a nomination, but until this Congress it has not been successfully used.
On rare occasions, confirmation filibusters were attempted, but the Senate always thwarted them. Up until now, no judicial nominee has ever failed on a filibuster. For the past 200 years, no judicial nominee has ever failed on a filibuster.
This year, in this Congress, those norms have been shattered. A partisan filibuster destroyed the nomination of Miguel Estrada, an immigrant from Honduras. Mr. Estrada is a superb lawyer, a great American success story. He served with distinction in both the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. The American Bar Association gave him its highest rating. Senate confirmation by an ample majority was assured. But a filibuster blocked action and the Senate was denied the opportunity for an up-or-down vote.
The remedy for the filibuster is a cloture vote. Before filing a cloture motion on the Estrada nomination, we waited several weeks. During that time, the nomination was debated on the floor for many hours. On more than 20 occasions we asked unanimous consent for a time certain to vote. Every time we did, the minority objected. They obstructed a simple up-or-down vote. From their standpoint, Mr. Estrada would never get a vote, not in a week, not in a month, not in a month or two, and not even for the whole Congress.
When it became clear that consent was impossible and the filibuster would not voluntarily end, cloture was the only resource left. Until this Congress, the record number of cloture votes on a single judicial nomination was two. On the few occasions a filibuster had gotten that far, bipartisan majorities in both invoked cloture, shut it down, and immediately thereafter those nominees were confirmed. Not so for Miguel Estrada. Seven times--not two, seven times--we initiated cloture; seven times cloture failed. Each time more than a majority in this body voted to end the filibuster but never did we get 60 votes. The minority obstruction did prevail, but Mr. Estrada would never get an up-or-down vote. This body never gave Miguel Estrada an up-or-down vote.
Finally, Mr. Estrada asked the President to withdraw his nomination. Who could blame him? He left the field with dignity. Meanwhile, the Federal courts--indeed, I would argue, therefore, the American people-- were denied the service of a brilliant intellect, and the Senate's confirmation process was tarnished with unfairness.
Sad to say, Miguel Estrada was not an isolated case. Filibusters have also been mounted against Priscilla Owen, William Pryor, and Charles Pickering. In each of these instances, a majority of the Senate will confirm, a majority will confirm, but we cannot get 60 votes for cloture to allow the vote. Under Senate rules, the Presiding Officer cannot put the question to a vote if any Senator holds the floor or seeks to speak. If debate does not end, we cannot vote. To conclude debate, we must secure cloture, but cloture requires 60 votes. If a minority determines to obstruct, they never permit the Chair to put the question, and they withhold the votes for cloture to stop the filibuster.
On Miguel Estrada, on Priscilla Owen, on William Pryor, and on Charles Pickering, the full Senate has been denied the right to vote on confirmation. And no amount of debate and no amount of time is sufficient so the opponents' obstruction thus far has prevailed.
This week, I fear yet two more nominees may fall victim to the filibuster. Carolyn Kuhl and Janice Rogers Brown are able and talented candidates for the Federal bench. Either could be confirmed if they were ever given a vote. Will Senators be able to take those votes or will disciplined obstruction prevail yet again? I would like to be proven wrong, but I am not optimistic.
We will hear in this debate over the next several hours that the Senate has confirmed over 168 Bush nominees, and only 4 have thus far been blocked. Some Senators will argue these numbers demonstrate fairness to the nominees overall and to the President. We hear again and again the Senate is not a rubber stamp.
I am unimpressed with that argument. It uses a scorecard of a sort to mask the real issues. Can Senators vote up or down on a nominee? Or will obstruction by filibuster deny them that right to vote? Will Senators be held accountable for their vote? Will all nominees brought to the floor be treated fairly and get a vote? Will we be denied our right to give advice and consent? If Senators wish to oppose a nominee, that is their right. They may vote against him or her if they wish. If they can command a majority, the nominee simply will not be confirmed. That is how things should be. But that simple logic seems no longer to apply. Because of the filibuster, the majority is allowed to vote only if the minority consents.
Filibustering judicial nominations breaks dangerous new ground. It is unprecedented. These filibusters are not business as usual. Obstructionists have eroded two centuries of Senate tradition. Those who obstruct have changed the ground rules by which the Senate votes on confirmations. Some contend the minority has no choice. These left-wing activists and special interests claim the minority must use every available tool to oppose even if it changes forever how the Senate does business. Only then, they say, can the separation of powers be vindicated.
But let's look to history because history shows us a very different and a better path. For 70 percent of the 20th century the same party controlled the
White House and the Senate. Franklin Roosevelt sent liberal nominees to a Senate dominated by Democrats. So did John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Jimmy Carter. Ronald Reagan sent conservative nominees to a Senate controlled by Republicans. The Senate confirmed most of those nominees and rejected some others. But nominations brought to the floor got a vote and never died due to a filibuster.
All during those times the Senate had vigorous debate, effective debate. They had vigorous and effective minorities who sometimes filibustered legislation but never filibustered judges. Was Senator Dirksen's minority derelict in some way in not using the filibuster against Kennedy's and Johnson's nominees? What about the minority that served with Senator Baker but did not filibuster Carter judges, the minority that served with Senator Byrd but did not filibuster Reagan judges, or the minority that served with Senator Dole but did not obstruct Clinton judges? Because they did not filibuster judges, did those minorities abdicate their confirmation responsibilities? I think not.
But now a different tradition has been launched. It is the obstruction of judges by a minority. This obstruction sets a novel threshold for confirmation: Nominees who are singled out because they fail someone's ideological test or because they showed general promise must have 60 votes to break a filibuster. The Constitution says that a simple majority is enough to confirm, but somehow that majority is no longer sufficient. Confronted with a filibuster and disciplined obstruction, the majority cannot vote at all. They are being denied a simple up-or-down vote on those nominees.
Under the Constitution, the Senate has a confirmation veto; a majority can vote a nominee down but obstruction by filibuster is veto by a minority. Never did the framers envision that anti-democratic outcome.
The American people are going to learn a lot about cloture over the next 30 hours. Cloture has applied to nominations since 1949 when the rule was expanded to address every debatable question except for motions to proceed to rules changes. The inclusion of cloture was merely incidental to a broader reform. In 1949, the change was controversial. It was well debated but not a word in all of that debate in 1949 was about nominations. The omission is not surprising because nominations simply were not filibustered then.
For three decades thereafter many proposals surfaced to change the cloture rule, and in 1959, 1975, and 1979 major amendments were, in fact, adopted. In all those debates not a word was said about nominations.
Many proposals surfaced to change the cloture rule. Major amendments were adopted. In all those debates, not a word was mentioned about nominations. Why should the debate have focused there? Nominations were not filibustered.
What is happening now breaks sharply with Senate tradition in ways that are corrosive for this institution. To restore those traditions, I have proposed filibuster reform. Along with Senators Zell Miller and nine additional cosponsors, I introduced S. Res. 138 in May. Our proposal was heard, reported by the Rules Committee in June, and now awaits Senate action.
The Frist-Miller proposal will alter the way the Senate concludes debate on nominations. By progressively declining cloture requirements of 60 votes, then 57 votes, then 54 votes, then 51, and finally, with a simple majority of Senators present and voting, we can end the practice of filibustering nominations if the Senate has the will to do so.
Every effort to reform the cloture rule, whether successful or not, has been debated in its entirety. Frist-Miller is different. It reforms the cloture process only for nominations and leaves cloture for the remainder of Senate debate alone. We fix only what is broken.
Mr. President, a nomination filibuster by a minority whenever it may coalesce is different from legislative filibusters. On legislation, there is a potential safety valve that a troubled measure may be offered elsewhere as a nongermane amendment or somehow be addressed by the House or in conference. No such possibility exists on a nomination. There is no safety valve on a nomination. Filibustering nominations is obstruction in its most potent and virulent form. Even if a majority of Senators stand ready to confirm, nomination filibusters are fatal.
Frist-Miller is a narrow remedy that addresses a real problem. It permits substantial debate but allows the full Senate to work its will. The Senate must halt the emerging and unwelcome practice of obstructing nominations. No change in the rules is needed if those who have filibustered will relent and permit the nominations to have a vote. If they do not, then amending the rules is imperative. We have sought consent for a time certain to vote on each of the nominees. Met with objection, we filed for cloture. Without either consent or cloture, the obstruction will continue and incessant demands for reform will grow louder.
These demands will include the exercise of the Senate's constitutional rulemaking power to amend rules or precedents to end filibusters on nominees.
Various proposals go far beyond the Frist-Miller filibuster reform. I would not support these efforts now but I reserve the right to support them later.
During these recent days, the majority has come under vocal criticism from our colleagues on the other side for scheduling this executive session tonight and these cloture votes. The debate is a waste of time, they contend, because the Senate has many urgent matters to address, and we are short on time to address them. Indeed, our agenda is crowded. But the question of how this Senate discharges its constitutional responsibility on nominations is among the most important issues we can discuss. It affects how we relate to two coordinate branches of government. It concerns whether Senate traditions will be upheld or discarded. It involves the meaning and future of the confirmation process. Such deliberations are plainly worth the Senate's time and the close attention of the American people.
In closing, by unanimous consent, time during these 30 hours has been equally divided between the two parties. This will allow for balanced arguments, good debate, a chance to focus on these issues without distraction. We have entered this consent agreement in good faith to foster a serious dialog on a serious subject. This means sticking to the subject and not undermining or trivializing this session by wasting time through meaningless quorum calls and other obstructionist tactics. The debate we launch tonight is fundamental to restoring fairness to our confirmation process and reaffirming two centuries of Senate tradition.
The majority is here, prepared to do business. We want to meet our constitutional responsibility to advise and consent. Whenever the opposition ceases to obstruct, we are ready to vote. What we ask for is to be able to vote, up or down. Just give us a vote.
Mr. President, once I run through these unanimous consent requests, I will yield the floor.
Unanimous Consent Agreement--Executive Calendar
Mr. President, I now ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to executive session for the consideration of Calendar No. 86, the nomination of Priscilla Richman Owen to be a United States Circuit Judge for the Fifth Circuit.
Mr. President, responding, through the Chair, there is nobody on the floor of the Senate now--and I do appreciate this many people being here to debate the issue of our judicial nominations and the process, the process that the distinguished Senator from West Virginia probably understands better than anybody; that is cloture and the history of cloture--nobody understands better the challenges to me as majority leader than the distinguished Senator from West Virginia on the scheduling of this body.
I know there are people questioning why we are working tonight, and even through the night. We tried to spend a full day this Monday on the floor of the Senate, which was not a Federal holiday--never has been a Federal holiday--but when I made it clear we were here to do appropriations, a specific appropriations bill, and then, yes, on Veterans Day had us here--and I know the distinguished Senator had wished we were not here on that day, but being here on Veterans Day, and talking about the Department of Defense authorization and military construction and preparing for the bill that we addressed today, we made it very clear we would be using this time from 6 o'clock tonight, a long time ago, weeks ago, to your side and my side--not weeks ago, probably last week--after we try to finish up our business.
I put a huge priority on appropriations, a huge priority. We are going to kill ourselves to finish all these bills. I pledge to you by the end of next week is my goal to fully address all of the appropriations bills because I respect the process, and I have tried to bring every bill out. And as of today, we have brought every single bill to the floor. And for various reasons--not pointing fingers too much to either side--we have not been able to finish several of them.
Thus, I am going to respectfully say that no, I am going to stick with the schedule because we have people here to talk about an issue that many believe equally important, some more important; that is, our responsibility to handle these judicial nominations responsibly, respectfully, and that is what people are here to debate.
Then I would be happy to discuss how we complete this appropriations process with you and with the distinguished Presiding Officer because I am going to need your help to finish these in an orderly way.
But for now, I think we need to progress with addressing another important issue that is the schedule I set out. I would ask your consideration for setting that schedule out and that we can figure out how to do these appropriations bills.
I do. And then we are going to subtract the time from the questions.
That is fine, my 22 minutes apply, or whatever the time was I was actually speaking, to our first-hour agreement.
I still have some unanimous consent requests.
But for the length of my speech, it would be fine to apply that time to the first hour since we will be splitting the hours.
Mr. President, through the Chair, I have had the wonderful opportunity of working in veterans hospitals myself for the last--until I got to this body--for 15 years, every day operating, giving care to veterans in medicine. So I appreciate veterans hospitals. I worked in veterans hospitals. I have probably spent more time than anybody in this Chamber in veterans hospitals--from early in the morning through many nights, just as we are going tonight. I care about hospitals. We are going to address them.
What I would ask, in response, is if the Senator from West Virginia would agree to a 2-hour unanimous consent to finish this bill, VA-HUD, on Friday--on Friday--so we can answer your question. If we can do that, we will be able to do exactly what you want to accomplish, to finish that bill, and it allows me to keep a commitment to a packed Chamber right now where we can debate the issues that people are here to debate. And then, within 48 hours, we have accomplished my objective and your objective. Two hours, we will do it Friday, as soon as we finish the cloture votes?
Yes, sir.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. President, what I would like to do, because it is going to affect everybody's schedule, is to address this. If we can go through the remainder of the unanimous consent request, then try to address it.
I just want to restate I would love to finish this bill, the appropriations bill on VA-HUD, and I would love to be able to work it out if we can on Friday.
Responding, once again through the Chair, I will not be making that request tonight. Tonight we are going to stay on the judicial nominees. But I would like to discuss with you and the managers of the bill, and the Presiding Officer, the chairman of the Appropriations Committee, how we can best resolve that as quickly as we possibly can.
Will the Senator yield? Would my colleague from Utah yield for a question? We have had some misstatements on the floor about how many filibusters we have had. I said, we have had some misstatements…
Will the Senator yield?
Would my colleague from Utah yield for a question?
We have had some misstatements on the floor about how many filibusters we have had.
I said, we have had some misstatements repeatedly by the Senator from Virginia and the Senator from Minnesota about how many have been filibustered. There have been a bunch who have been filibustered, it is just that we happened to succeed. Isn't that correct?
I thank the Chair.
Mr. President, I listened to the debate, and I would say basically, kindly, it is just a repetition of arguments we have heard over and over again. A little less kindly, sound and fury signifying nothing.
I tried to ask some questions of the other side a few minutes ago and was rebuffed. It is no wonder because we are not having a coming together here. We are not having an elucidation. What we are having is a rehash of arguments we have heard over and over again.
It is not going to change anything, I say to my colleagues. It is not going to change a thing. There is only one way to change things, and that is for the President and the other side to follow the Constitution and take the words ``advise and consent'' seriously. If they think we can be bludgeoned, if they think more talk radio makes a difference, it is not going to make a difference. In fact, I would argue to my colleagues, this debate is helping us because the hard-right media, the talk radio, and the others don't mention this fact.
This chart is worth 30 hours of palaver, of gibberish. The Wall Street
Journal today has an editorial with the pictures of the six. Do they mention how many have been approved? They don't dare. They have had editorial after editorial and some of them criticize me. I write letters, and they don't publish them. You would think if they are going to do a whole editorial being critical of someone, they would give them the courtesy of publishing a letter. They are not interested in the debate of facts. No.
At least we are getting a chance to show this. One picture is worth a thousand words; one chart is equal to all the talk we have heard. Nothing will change that.
This is actually going to help our side. It is backfiring. I know many of you on the other side didn't really want to do this, but I guess I have to say to those of you who argued for it, thanks.
I heard from a constituent earlier tonight. They were watching the debate. I said: Did you know about 168 to 4? No. Most people don't because the big storm on this has come from a small narrow band on the hard right. We know the other side has to pay attention to them. They accuse us of being subject to beltway liberal groups. There are groups on both sides. They both feel as passionately.
I don't know why one group is any better than the other, but the group on that side has made this an issue. They just can't stand the fact that four have been rejected--four.
I begin by saying, better be careful about what you wish for because this at least is an even airing of the facts. What I would like this to be is a real debate. I would like us to ask each other questions. I would like us to challenge each other's assumptions and misstatements. But it is obviously not happening. Obviously not at all.
I will be happy to yield for a question. I give the Senator from Texas the courtesy I was not given.
Yes, reclaiming my time, that is exactly the point. I haven't gotten up to this chart, but I will go to it now.
Let me please answer my colleague's question. The bottom line is the other side has said--and in the chart of the Senator from Pennsylvania, he was careful. He said ``successfully filibustered, none.'' Then when it was repeated by many of the other colleagues, they said there has never been a filibuster.
As my good colleague from Nevada pointed out, there have been filibusters. Here are some of the judges who have been filibustered.
Don't claim there has never been a filibuster. In fact, I would ask anyone on the other side, when you filibustered just 3 years ago, did anybody object and say the Constitution is being defiled? Judge Berzon was filibustered in 2000. Judge Paez was filibustered in 2000. Judge Sarokin was filibustered in 1994.
I didn't hear the outcries from the Senator from Pennsylvania or others that filibuster is constitutionally wrong. Oh, no. Oh, no. So the one difference----
Let me finish--the one difference--and then I will be happy to yield for a question--is this. We succeeded. Do you know why we succeeded? I will tell you why. Because President Clinton made an effort to nominate moderate judges, by and large; because President Clinton did far more of the advise-and-consent process than President Bush, and President Clinton was able to persuade 15 or 20 Members from the other side to finally vote for these judges.
We have had no advice, meaning consultation. I am consulted in New York, and we have filled every vacancy. On the main court of appeals nominees, there is no advise, and that means there isn't consent.
I would argue this to my good friend from Texas: No President has chosen judges through an ideological prism more than President Bush. He said it when he ran, to his credit. He was going to appoint judges in the mold of Scalia and Thomas, two of the most conservative judges we have. Some of them are to the right of Scalia and Thomas. Clearly, Justice Brown is. I believe Miguel Estrada was. He has appointed judges ideologically. Then we are supposed to not challenge that ideology? It is two-faced. It is hypocritical.
Most of President Clinton's nominees--not all, but most--were not legal aid lawyers or ACLU attorneys. They were partners in law firms; they were prosecutors. Anyone who has followed this knows President Clinton decided to nominate, by and large, decidedly moderate judges. That is why the filibusters were not successful.
Our filibusters are successful, frankly, not because of any of us. It is because President Bush has decided to nominate people from the hard right so that he gives us no choice. Nothing would please me more--and I am one of the leaders in this--nothing would please me more than for Counsel Gonzales to call some of us in and say: How do we come to some kind of comity? Guess what, the same thing that happened in New York and a few other States will happen nationally.
Will most of the judges be far more conservative than me? Yes. Will many of the judges disagree with my view on choice or affirmative action or anything else? Yes. But at least we will feel they will interpret the law, not make law.
As my good friends know on the other side, the Constitution requires interpretation of the law, and ideologues, far left or far right--I don't like far-left judges, either--want to make law because they feel they are so right and the country is so wrong, and so they try to make law.
The Founding Fathers in their wisdom--I will yield in a minute, and maybe the Senator would ask the others on their time to yield to us as well. Then we can get some debate here and maybe make a little progress instead of just talking past one another.
The bottom line is this: We are defending the Constitution. We are saying there should be some balance. President Bush didn't win by a landslide. This Senate is not 62 to 38 or 70 to 30. This country is narrowly divided, and that means when laws are made, they tend to move to the middle. The prescription drug law is an example right now. But judges don't have to move to the middle. Once they are appointed, they are there for life, and they have virtually absolute power over cases. All we have is the constraints within their own heads.
My good, learned friend from Texas knows that in the ``Federalist Papers,'' Alexander Hamilton said ideology should play a role. My good friend from Texas--he is a student of history--knows one of the first nominees of George Washington, John Rutledge, was rejected because of his views on the Jay Treaty. My good friend knows in that Senate that rejected John Rutledge were a good number of the Founding Fathers. So this is not new. This is not made up. In fact, what is new is the view on the other side that if they don't get their whole way, they want to change the rules. If there had been for 20 years protests from many of my colleagues who sat in those seats in 2000 and 2000 and 1994 and 1994 when there were filibusters, maybe we could feel there was some genuine feeling here, some genuine fidelity. Instead, I would argue most of those who study logic know that things can be made; that the weakest arguments are outcome determinant. In other words, you look for the outcome you want and then you make the argument. That, I would argue, with all due respect, is what my colleagues are doing.
The bottom line is filibusters were not an abomination to the Constitution when President Clinton nominated. And, by the way, in the inverse case, holding back judges from even getting a vote in the Judiciary Committee was perfectly OK. That didn't unbalance the Constitution.
What my colleagues have done is taken the result they want, which is 172 to 0, and then come up with an argument that all of a sudden filibusters are bad. Blocking judges can't be bad because look at all these judges the other side blocked and didn't even
allow to come up for a vote. So it can't be that blocking judges is wrong. But it also can't be that filibusters are wrong because they did them in recent history. They just didn't succeed.
Now they have this twisted logic that only a successful filibuster is bad. That doesn't make much sense. I am sure my good colleague from Alabama wishes his filibuster had succeeded. He felt it passionately. He felt Judge Berzon and Judge Paez were too far over, maybe.
I will be happy to yield since I mentioned the Senator's name.
Let me reclaim my time.
I simply say to my colleague----
Thank you, Mr. President.
What I said before was, and I say it again, I did not hear an outcry about filibustering being wrong or being unconstitutional or being evil when these judges came up. I didn't see people get on the floor for 30 hours. There were four of them in the last 6 years. I didn't even hear people get on the floor for 3 hours and take up time to say why filibustering is bad.
Do you know why they say it is bad now? Because we have succeeded. Again, why have we succeeded? Because President Bush has changed the way people are appointed to the judiciary. He has nominated judges through an ideological prism to a far greater extent than any President in history.
I say to my colleagues, do you want to get it to be 172 to 0? Tell the President to sit down with us, to advise, to come to some compromise, and then you will probably get 172 to 0. But as long as this process continues where there is no advise and consent, as long as this process continues where certain judges who believe decisions that have been discredited 50 and 100 years ago should be law, we have no alternative but to do what we are doing.
I will be happy to yield to my colleague for a question.
I say to my colleague, most definitely, because, first, not only do these people have a job, but they shouldn't be on the bench.
More than once.
I say to my colleague, it would be an excellent idea. This debate, as I mentioned earlier, is not going to accomplish a thing. In fact, if it accomplishes anything, since we haven't had the media drumbeat on our side the way the others have, it is going to help us; it is going to get this very fact out. Why not have a debate on something we haven't debated, such as minimum wage, such as health care, such as energy policy, instead of having two people decide energy policy. Nobody knows what the conference report will be. Let's have a debate about that.
Here we are repeating over and over and over and over again the arguments that have been made and made and made.
The bottom line, I say to my good colleague from Nevada, is there are 100, 200, 300 better ways to spend 30 hours in the Senate than redebate these issues. If this is frustration on the other side because 4 of the 172 have been blocked, the solution is not to repeat the same arguments which we regard as specious. The solution is to come to the middle and compromise and talk to us, as we have done in certain States.
I say this to my colleagues: Stop using outcome-determinative arguments. Filibusters are fine when you do them. Only when we do them successfully are they no good. And blocking judges? That is just fine. You blocked so many more than we have. This argument is like trying to thread a needle: Blocking judges is OK; filibustering is OK; only successful filibustering is unconstitutional.
I doubt many legal scholars of any political persuasion would be able to sustain the contradictions in my friends' arguments from across the aisle.
The bottom line is simple: We believe advise and consent really means what it says.
We believe keeping judges in the mainstream is within what the Founding Fathers wished us to do. I will have more to say in the next hour.
Will my colleague yield for a question?
Mr. President, I ask the time of the half hour allotted to this side be divided between myself and Senator Dodd and that I may proceed for 15 minutes. Mr. President, what I wish the majority would be…
Mr. President, I ask the time of the half hour allotted to this side be divided between myself and Senator Dodd and that I may proceed for 15 minutes.
Mr. President, what I wish the majority would be allowing tonight is consideration of legislation that addresses the loss of over 3 million jobs in this country during the last few
years, most of them manufacturing jobs.
What I wish the majority would be allowing us to do tonight is to consider legislation to extend the unemployment benefits to those Americans who have lost their jobs in this recession, the way we have extended unemployment benefits in previous downturns.
Those needs of the American people and a dozen other needs are what we ought to be spending our time on tonight and every day until those issues, and many other critical issues, are addressed.
Instead, those on the other side of the aisle decided to spend 30 hours rehashing the reasons that 4 out of the 172 of President Bush's judicial nominees have not been confirmed by the Senate. That is their right, but it is wrong.
In my home State of Michigan, the unemployment rate is 7.4 percent. In fact, Michigan has lost and continues to lose more manufacturing jobs than almost any other State in the Nation. Mr. President, 2.5 million of the 3.3 million jobs which the U.S. economy has lost since January 1, 2001, were in manufacturing. We lost over 160,000 of those jobs in Michigan alone. Other States face large job losses, but what we should be doing is helping people who lost jobs, acting to stop the currency manipulation by China, Japan, and other countries, and the one-way street in trade which has been such a large part of the loss of jobs in this country.
The first act of this Congress last January was to extend unemployment benefits through the end of this year because Congress did not act last year. That made the 2002 holiday season mighty grim for those workers whose benefits had expired. Current law provides 13 weeks of additional Federal aid to laid-off workers who have exhausted their 26 weeks of regular State benefits. However, this administration has shown no interest in either extending the deadline for the program or authorizing new benefits. The trust fund that is to be used for unemployment benefits currently has over $20 billion in it. Why this administration balks at extending unemployment benefits is beyond me since that is what the money in that fund is for.
I, along with a number of our colleagues, propose we extend the December 31 deadline for another 6 months so newly unemployed workers can receive Federal assistance, but also making available an additional 13 weeks of Federal unemployment benefits for a total of 26 weeks. That is what we have done in prior recessions. We responded during the 1974 recession. Federal benefits were extended to 29 weeks.
In the 1981 recession, Congress extended benefits to 26 weeks. In the 1990 recession, 26 weeks were provided, 33 weeks to States with high unemployment.
While the unemployment numbers released last week were somewhat of an improvement, in terms of manufacturing jobs, that loss continues, and the long-term economic forecast continues to be pessimistic.
On this track, this administration will be the first administration to lose private sector jobs since Herbert Hoover.
In one moment I am going to propound a unanimous consent request that I know my Republican colleagues will want to hear, and I want to alert them of the fact I will be propounding that request in a moment. I hope our Republican colleagues will give us consent to take up unemployment insurance extension legislation this evening. Perhaps then this 30-hour exercise will be fruitful.
I think I have alerted the Republicans that we would be making this unanimous consent request.
Unanimous Consent Request--S. 1853
I ask unanimous consent that the Senate proceed to legislative session; that the Finance Committee be discharged from further consideration of S. 1853, which is a bill to extend unemployment insurance benefits for displaced workers; that the Senate proceed to its immediate consideration; that the bill be read a third time and passed; and that the motion to reconsider be laid on the table.
Mr. President, since the majority has now determined we will spend 30 hours of the time of the Senate rehashing 4 of the 172 judicial nominations that haven't been confirmed, I want to address what is an even deeper issue than the majority's effort to weaken and water down the role of the Senate in exercising its advice-and-consent responsibility.
That even more fundamental issue is our Nation's historic and constitutional system of checks and balances. Those checks and balances are an integral part of the unique design of our founding document in restraining the potential excesses and extremes of the executive branch. We share the obligation and responsibility with the judicial branch.
Our rules in the Senate are aimed at restraining the potential abuse of the rights of the minority by the majority within the legislative branch itself.
In June of this year, Robert Caro, the eminent Pulitzer Prize winning historian and author of ``Master of the Senate,'' his great biography of former President and Senate majority leader Lyndon Johnson, wrote to our Senate Rules Committee addressing this subject and quoting from his book. Here is what he said:
. . . in creating this new nation, its Founding Fathers,
the Framers of its Constitution, gave its legislature . . .
not only its own powers, specified and sweeping . . . but
also the powers designed to make the Congress independent of
the President and to restrain and act as a check on his
authority, [including the] power to approve his appointments,
even the appointments he made within his own Administration .
. . and . . . the power to approve Presidential appointments
was given to the Senate alone; a President could nominate and
appoint ambassadors, Supreme Court Justices, and other
officers of the United States, but only ``with the advice and
consent of the Senate.''
Robert Caro goes on to say:
The Framers wanted to check and restrain not only the
people's rulers, but also the possibility that the majority
will be used in Madison's words ``to oppress the minority.''
The Framers, he [Madison] said, established the Senate as the
body ``first to protect the people against their
rulers; secondly to protect the people against the
transient impressions into which they themselves might be
led . . . The use of the Senate is to consist in its
proceeding with more coolness, with more system. . . .
One of the historical tools for the protection of the minority which is developed in the Senate from its earliest days is the principle of extended debate. The exercise of this right of Senators, particularly when it is used to block actions which the majority fervently wishes to take, is embodied in our Senate rule that you must have a supermajority of 60 percent of the Senate on matters where there is strong opposition.
Filibusters have played an important role in moderating action in the Senate. It is widely recognized the Senate is a less partisan place-- you may not be able to discern that tonight, but generally this is a less partisan place than the other body in our Congress or virtually any other democratically elected legislative body anywhere in the world.
As Senator Byrd said in his series of scholarly addresses on the floor of the Senate about Senate history:
Arguments against filibusters have largely centered around
the principle that the majority should rule in a democratic
society. The very existence of the Senate, however, embodies
an equally valid tenet in American democracy: the principle
that minorities have rights.
Senator Byrd goes on to say in his study:
The most important argument supporting extended debate in
the Senate, and even the right to filibuster, is the system
of checks and balances. The Senate operates as the balance
wheel in that system, because it provides the greatest check
against an all powerful executive through the privilege that
Senators have to discuss without hindrance what they please
for as long as they please . . . Without the potential for
filibusters, that power to check a Senate majority or an
imperial presidency would be destroyed. It is a power too
sacred to be trifled with.
Lyndon Baines Johnson said in 1949:
. . . If I should have the opportunity to send into the
countries behind the iron curtain one freedom and only one, I
know what my choice would be . . . I would send those nations
the right of unlimited debate in their legislative chambers.
If we now, in haste and irritation, shut off this freedom,
we shall be cutting off the most vital safeguard which
minorities possess against the tyranny of momentary
majorities.
In May of 1994, when the Republican minority blocked Senator Clinton's nomination of Sam Brown to be ambassador, one of our Republican colleagues said the following:
In considering the nomination of Mr. Samuel W. Brown to be
the Ambassador to CSCE, I have reflected on the latitude
which ought to be accorded the President in making this
decision for the ambassadorship, reflecting as well on the
constitutional responsibility of the Senate for advice and
consent as a check. . . . . I am troubled by a situation
where the only pressure point Republicans have in the U.S.
Government is on cloture. Once cloture is obtained, there are
more than enough votes on the other side of the aisle to
cover the day. While the House is not involved in this
matter, the House is overwhelmingly Democratic; there is a
Democrat in the White House. The only place Republicans can
assert any effective, decisive action is by stopping somebody
from coming up. We have 44 votes, and we have more than
enough, if there is unity among the Republicans, to do that.
I think Mr. Brown's nomination and the responsibilities at
the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe are
sufficiently important to preclude his nomination.
The filibuster succeeded in blocking this nomination.
There are many reasons to at least consider modification to the Senate rules regarding the procedures for ending debate, the process we call cloture. Those rules have been modified a number of times before, but one of the reasons to consider modifying our rules is not the reason which is motivating our current majority in the Senate: irritation with the fact that only 98 percent of President Bush's judicial nominees have been confirmed by the Senate. That irritation that a substantial minority of Senators would stand in the way of getting their way 100 percent of the time has led to this 30-hour talkathon and their apparent desire to amend the Senate rules to let them get their way 100 percent of the time.
We find ourselves tonight debating not whether unemployment insurance should be extended for Americans who have lost their jobs, not how to create more jobs in our economy, not how to better provide for the education of our children, or to strengthen our homeland security, or reduce the cost and increase the availability of prescription drugs, but, rather, listening to the re-argument of the case for the 4 nominees out of 172 nominees the Senate has not confirmed.
They want a 100 percent confirmation success record, and they appear to be willing to throw over the very essence of the Senate and its check-and-balance role to accomplish it. The Constitution says the President shall nominate, and, by and with the consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors and judges.
William Maclay, one of the first two Senators from Pennsylvania, wrote the following:
Whoever attends strictly to the Constitution of the United
States will readily observe that the part assigned to the
Senate was an important one, no less than that of being the
great check, the regulator and corrector, or, if I may so
speak, the balance of this Government. . . . . The
approbation of the Senate was certainly meant to guard
against the mistakes of the President in his appointments to
office [and] the depriving power should be the same as the
appointing power.
I thank the Chair, and I yield the floor to my friend from Connecticut.
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Mr. President, I begin by thanking my colleague from Michigan for his comments. I intend to share some similar thoughts this evening. First of all, let me begin by stating my own views about this…
Mr. President, I begin by thanking my colleague from Michigan for his comments. I intend to share some similar thoughts this evening.
First of all, let me begin by stating my own views about this process this evening and note--some have chosen to use the word anger--but I rise more in sadness.
We are gathered to engage in this--I do not know what it is properly called--I guess a filibuster. It is unique in that the majority is conducting a filibuster. Normally, a filibuster, for those who are interested in how this works, is conducted by a minority within a minority, but we find ourselves this evening a few short days away from the end of this particular session with a tremendous amount of unfinished business, and we are spending the next 30 hours--or 26 hours, whatever is left--on this particular debate and discussion, which I suppose has some value in the mind of some. As far as this Member is concerned, I regret in some ways even addressing the matters before us this evening. The better approach might have been to protect the rights of the minority but not to engage in this debate.
There may be four votes that will occur on Friday. Three of them involve individuals who are seeking appointment to the Federal judiciary. With all due respect to these particular nominees, putting aside one's views or whether they are for or against them, history will probably little note nor record for any great length of time who they were. That is not in any way to suggest they are not worthy individuals, but in the passage of time, these nominations will not register terribly significantly in the history of the debates of this great Chamber.
I arrived as an employee of the Senate about the age of 17 when I sat on these steps. Lyndon Johnson was the majority leader of the Senate. There was Everett Dirksen and Senator McClellan. It was a sea of giants who served in this body. I tried to imagine this evening whether or not they might proceed in a debate like we are having, but I cannot imagine them doing so, quite candidly.
I am afraid we are diminishing dramatically the incredible historic role of this institution by this process. When I think of all the matters that deserve our attention, when I think of all of the Herculean debates that have occurred in this Chamber throughout the 217-year history of our country, some of the great debates deciding who we were as a society--I sat on that step over there and listened to the all-night debates on civil rights in the early 1960s. I listened to southerners argue vehemently on behalf of their position regarding States rights. They were incredible debates. Never once in all of that process that I watched as a child sitting out there did I ever hear anyone suggest we ought to change the rules of the Senate.
Even among those who were outraged that there were those who were arguing about denying a substantial minority of citizens of this country the right to participate freely in the democratic institutions of America, never once did anyone suggest we ought to somehow curtail the right of a minority to be heard in debate, extended debate. Never once. Yet here we are tonight, having an extended debate over three or four judicial nominations. We may be asked on Friday to cast a ballot about amending the rules of the Senate to fundamentally change what has been a central ingredient of why this institution has been as celebrated and honored throughout the 217-year history of this country. That I find rather appalling, that we would gather at this hour with all of the other issues in front of us.
I spent 2 hours yesterday at Walter Reed Hospital. I took my 2-year- old daughter out to visit with the young men there, many of whom are missing limbs. I saw several of my colleagues out there, by the way. Sam Brownback was out there. I went to spend a quiet couple of hours to express to these young men my great admiration for what they had done for their country.
I would like to think they might think something larger of this institution other than that we would engage in a discussion and debate tonight about three or four judicial nominations. Other of my colleagues have made comments about the numbers that have been approved and not approved. I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee. I have heard my colleagues extol the virtues of these nominees. I have heard others excoriate them. I will leave that debate for others. The vote I am most worried about is the possible fourth vote that may occur on Friday, and that is whether we are going to change the nature of this institution because some of us are disappointed about some outcomes of votes. I would hope whatever else ensues or passes over these next 30 or 40 hours that when it comes to that vote, maybe there will be those who will get up and defend this institution.
It is inappropriate for me to do so, but I will note the fact that there are those watching this debate this evening in this Chamber who are of a younger generation. They are students, I suspect, in some way wanting to participate or witness what some have tried to describe as an historic event. I would hope they take note of the arguments in debate about what is important, why the Founders created this institution, why we are not a unicameral body, as some State legislatures--why
we are a bicameral body, why it is there is down this corridor a House of Representatives at that end of the building and a Senate at this end. What are the fundamental distinctions between these two branches of one House? Why are we different? Why do we exist? What did the Framers have in mind when they created this institution? It is this very debate that gives justice, gives rationale to the existence of the Senate.
One needs only to go back to the Federalist papers, and as I look around this Chamber there are the forebears of those who sit in these seats who made the most eloquent arguments on behalf of the notion, of the idea, of having extended debate and the right and power to amend. Those are the two central ingredients which make this institution so unique.
When we begin to erode those very powers, then the very justification for this institution begins to diminish. We end up creating nothing more, potentially, than a mere image of the body that is at the other end of this hall.
I gave some remarks going back a number of weeks ago in front of the Rules Committee. I am the ranking Democrat of the Rules Committee. As such, I bear a responsibility, along with my colleague from Mississippi, who is the chairman of the committee, to consider such matters. I have great respect for the majority leader, but I would hope as we discuss the idea of amending rule XXII, that we would keep in mind what the Framers had in mind when it came to nominations, particularly nominations of a life tenure.
It is one thing to be talking about nominations during the duration of a given administration, but with judicial nominations it is for life. Depending on how young that person may be, an Federal judicial appointment can go on for decades. And so the Framers, given the experience they had come through, with the tyranny of a king, desired to create a system whereby the third coequal branch of government would have powers delineated between the executive branch to appoint and the legislative branch to approve, to provide its advice and consent.
If the ability of this institution to thoroughly exercise that right of advice and consent is destroyed, then we run the risk of creating a judicial branch, a coequal, that becomes nothing more than the hand servant of the executive. That is what the Founders worried about. It is what Senator Rutledge of South Carolina argued for when he spoke eloquently about the importance of keeping an independent judiciary.
In fact, for many weeks, during the constitutional convention, they argued the President ought to have no rights when it came to judicial nominations, that that right ought to be exclusively contained in the Senate of the United States. As a result of compromise, it was ultimately decided that the power to nominate individuals should reside in the executive, and the power to approve should remain here, thus guaranteeing, to the extent possible, an independent judiciary.
What is being suggested by the fourth vote we may be asked to cast on Friday is that we undermine that very principle which has survived for 217 years. I would hope with a resounding vote, both Democrats and Republicans, whatever strong feelings there may be about these three or four nominees, or whatever the number is, that we would not allow this institution to be diminished, caught up in the passions of these nominations.
History will not record nor remember who these people are, but if we undermine this institution's ability to do what our Founders asked us to do, then history will record forever our shortsightedness.
I regret in a sense having to engage in this debate. I was stunned to learn that in addition to this 30 hours of ``circusry'' going on here, and the three votes that will occur on Friday, there may be a serious effort to vote on whether this institution should give up its right to be able to have extended debate on judicial nominations.
This institution and its history deserve more. The fact that the Senator from Michigan and I have to arise at 10 at night to argue about something as fundamental as a rule change in the Senate and to be asked to vote on it with maybe 5 minutes of deliberation before that ballot is cast on Friday is incredible to this Member. It is incredible we would have to do this.
Does not anyone care about being here? We are only temporary stewards. My colleagues and I are just guaranteed a short amount of time to be a part of this institution. We do not own this. We bear an historical responsibility to those who came before, but an even greater one to those who come afterward, to see to it we maintain the order and the ideals embodied in the creation of this institution. That we would relegate a fundamental change in the rules of the Senate to a debate occurring between 10 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 a.m. in the morning, with a vote to that may be cast on Friday without further deliberation, I find stunning in its dimensions.
This is a matter that deserves far more deliberation and thought, whatever one's views may be on these nominations. To find ourselves, with all of these other issues that are in front of us, to have to defend the Senate in the wee hours of the morning about a rule that has sustained us as an institution, is something I regret deeply.
I hope my colleagues, whatever their passions may be about Miguel Estrada, Priscilla Owen, William Pryor, and Charles Pickering--I do not know these individuals. I presume they are good people, whatever differences we may have, as I am sure there have been people who have been nominated in previous administrations who are also good people who were rejected because the majority today disagreed with them. I am sorry that happens to people, but unfortunately, that is one of the aspects of a process such as we have, as imperfect as it is.
The idea that our passions are so wrapped up in these individuals that we are willing to squander the rules of the Senate is disturbing. We should always know that it may only be a short time before roles may be reversed. This party in the minority may be the party of the majority in the future. And in the future, the party of the President may, of course, be different. I would hope we would never suggest changing the rules of the Senate because we are momentarily disappointed that certain individuals, whatever contributions they may have made in their lives and to their communities, are so deserving that they warrant changing the rules of the Senate because they are not getting a position they seek. I hope we have not come to that.
I yield the floor.
We cannot hear you. Mr. President, first of all, I want to lay it on the record that Carl Levin, the senior Senator from Michigan, is not inconsistent in any way. We all know what happened to Carl…
We cannot hear you.
Mr. President, first of all, I want to lay it on the record that Carl Levin, the senior Senator from Michigan, is not inconsistent in any way. We all know what happened to Carl Levin and the Michigan delegation is the fact that there were no hearings on the judges he wanted--no hearings.
That is the reason some 20 percent of the Clinton nominees never made it. They refused to hold hearings. Carl Levin would have welcomed the procedure we are going through because if it had gotten here, and there had been an attempt to filibuster, cloture would have been invoked.
Carl Levin, I say to my friend, the junior Senator from Virginia, is not and has not been inconsistent in any way.
I want to refer to this. We have to understand what we are talking about here. Mr. President, 168 judges have been approved; 4 have been disapproved. For people to continually come on this floor, as if history facts have no bearing on what they are talking about--they believe, on the other side, if they keep saying it long enough, that there have never been filibusters before--that people will believe it.
I show everyone this New York Times headline of September 25, 1968. Headline: ``Critics of Fortas Begin Filibuster, Citing `Property'.'' ``Griffin Attack Lasts 3 Hours. . . .''
Of course, we know that was a filibuster. Senator Byrd participated in it, as we recall. I say to my friends on the other side of the aisle, please do not say this is the first time there has been a filibuster, because it is not true. It is not true.
I also want to refer to the next chart, something that is important to the American people. What do I think we should be dealing with? During the time President Bush has been President, we have lost more than 3 million
jobs in the private sector. I think that is fairly significant.
Also what we should be talking about is my next chart to show what the President of the United States and his administration have done to create jobs in America.
Here is what the President has done to create jobs. Can everyone see this chart? In fact, we can turn it around. It is the same on the other side, isn't it? Let's see what is on the other side. Yes, the same thing. This is what the President has done to create jobs: nothing.
He has lost 3 million jobs. That is what we should be talking about here tonight, not the fact this is the first filibuster we have ever had in the history of the country. You can say it once, twice, 1,000 times--it is not true. Other judges have been filibustered and we have had attempts to invoke cloture. It has been successful sometimes; sometimes it has not been successful.
Let's look at this next chart. It is interesting we are spending 30 hours talking about things we should not be talking about. We are talking about judicial vacancies, which are at the lowest rate in almost 15 years. What we should be talking about are those things that are going up, not the thing that is going down. We should be talking about the 44 million Americans who tonight will go to bed with no health insurance. That is what we should be talking about. We should also be concerned about the millions of Americans who are underinsured.
Mr. President, 44 million people have no health insurance, and we are here spending our time lamenting about the 4 people who want job increases; that is, they want to get better jobs. Miguel Estrada, let's not shed too many tears for him. He makes a half a million dollars a year. I think we should be talking about the people who have no health insurance, about the people who have lost jobs in this administration-- the 9-plus million people who are unemployed, as we speak. Why can't we spend that time, that is, 30 hours dealing with issues that are important to the American people?
We also know, in addition to having 44 million people uninsured, that during the last 3 years those people who are poor in America have increased in numbers. The numbers have ballooned. We have the poor getting poorer and the rich getting richer, and we are squeezing the middle class so it is getting smaller and smaller. Wouldn't it be nice if we talk about poor people? I recognize they do not have lobbyists. Maybe they do not have Gucci shoes and these big limousines, but they still deserve our time.
The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Shouldn't we spend part of this 30 hours talking about them? The unemployed: We have talked about that issue. I have talked about it tonight on more than one occasion. But the American people have to recognize that during the administration of George Bush the unemployment rolls have gone up.
The national debt: What has happened to the national debt during the last 3 years? It has gone up, way up. It is interesting to note that during the last 3 years of the Clinton administration, we were spending less money than we were taking in. We were actually paying down the national debt. We were being criticized for paying it down too fast: Be careful; you can't do that.
Well, whoever heard that term really took it in spades because the fact of the matter is, we are now increasing the national debt. This year's budget deficit will be the highest in the history of our great country.
Everything that is going up we are not talking about. We are talking about people who have jobs, and they lost an opportunity to get a promotion.
I ask unanimous consent that the Senate now return to legislative session and proceed to the consideration of Calendar No. 3, S. 224, the bill to increase the minimum wage, that the bill be read a third time, passed, and the motion to reconsider be laid on the table.
I am not surprised. I am not surprised. We have the audacity on this side of the aisle to ask that the minimum wage be increased from $5.15 to something more. Why, these people who draw minimum wage, think about it, if they work 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year, and don't get any time off for vacation, they can make the grand sum, working a whole year, of $10,700. What pigs. They want to get that much money?
I say we should recognize the people drawing minimum wage are not a bunch of high school kids working in a fast food chain. The fact of the matter is 60 percent of the people drawing minimum wage are women. For the majority of those women, that is the only money they get for them and their families. I cannot imagine that we have had such a difficult time bringing up something so important to the American people, the minimum wage, to increase it from $5.15 an hour, maybe increasing it $1, maybe increasing it $1.50.
I know that is pushing the envelope a lot to think this body would take up something as unimportant as people getting an increase in the minimum wage. No. What we should do is worry about four people, four people, one of whom makes a half a million dollars a year downtown. Then we can also worry about other people, those other three who, between them, make about a half a million dollars.
I have no understanding in my heart how the majority can continually deny us the opportunity to do something about the minimum wage.
Remember, the judicial vacancies are at their lowest level in almost 15 years. While we are here talking all night about judges, 44 million people, as I have indicated earlier, will go to sleep tonight with no health insurance, none, and millions of others have insurance that is not very good.
Nine million, almost 10 million people will go to bed tonight wondering if tomorrow they will finally be able to find a job-- recognizing that the average person who loses a job in America today is out of work for 5 months. That is the average, 5 months. And it does not matter. It does not matter what strata we are talking about. People in America have trouble finding jobs. The average is 5 months.
We have tried earlier today, through a unanimous consent request, to spend some of these 30 hours talking about having an extension of unemployment benefits. No.
We have asked tonight to increase the minimum wage, to debate that. No.
I think it pretty well describes what is going on here today.
This is an issue that people think if they talk about how unfair we are, that, yes, what we have done here is so bad--we have approved only 98 percent of the President's requests to become judges. Only 98 percent. If we had it up to 99 percent, would we only be here for 15 hours?
I think this is a travesty. I say that without any question. Others have referred to it as a carnival and a circus. Whatever it is, the unemployed, those people who are poor, those people who have no health insurance are not getting their time in the Senate.
Who is getting time? Four people: Estrada, Owen, Pickering, and Pryor. That is not fair.
I yield to the Senator from New York.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
Does my friend from New York support the unanimous consent requests--plural--that have been entered today on the record and rejected by the majority, first of all to extend up employment benefits? Does the Senator from New York believe we would be better advised to go forward on something like that than on these four people who do have a job?
I ask another question. Does the Senator also agree that rather than going through 30 hours of this--first of all, with all due respect, everybody, including me, everything that has been said so far tonight in these 5 hours has already been said.
And I am sure for the next 25 hours, there will still be nothing new. Having said that, I ask my friend from New York, does he think it would be a good idea that the unanimous consent requests I proffered where I asked to do something about the minimum wage right here on the Senate floor tonight, does the Senator think that would be a good idea to help the American people?
Madam President, last Tuesday, the Committee on Rules and Administration favorably reported S. Res. 138, a proposal to amend the Senate's cloture rule. The committee's action represents an important…
Madam President, last Tuesday, the Committee on Rules and Administration favorably reported S. Res. 138, a proposal to amend the Senate's cloture rule. The committee's action represents an important milestone on the road to filibuster reform. It brings the Senate one key step closer to ending filibusters on nominations. On May 9 of this year, I introduced S. Res. 138, along with a bipartisan group of 11 cosponsors. Our purpose was to respond to a disturbing change in the way the Senate considers nominations.
Lengthy and apparently implacable filibusters have erupted on two judicial nominations. Although it has long been clear that a majority of Senators stand ready to confirm Miguel Estrada and Priscilla Owen, it is increasingly obvious that a minority of Senators never intends to permit these nominations to come to a vote.
Beyond these filibusters are the expressed threats to filibuster additional nominees, threats that may well materialize after the Senate reconvenes in July.
Given the record already established this year, we have every reason to take these threats seriously and to imagine they will be executed. Killing judicial nominations by filibuster is not simply business as usual in the Senate. Up until now, no judicial nomination has ever been rejected in that fashion.
Even the failed Supreme Court nomination of Abe Fortas 35 years ago is not truly an exception to this rule. In the Fortas case, one cloture vote was taken with 45 Senators supporting cloture and 43 opposed. At least five additional Senators who missed that vote expressed opposition to cloture. Yet another who supported cloture expressed opposition to the nomination.
It was far from plain, even to the nominee, that a majority was ready to confirm the nomination, much less a supermajority was available to invoke cloture.
After a single cloture vote taken four session days after the nomination was brought to the floor, the nominee asked that his name be withdrawn.
These facts differ dramatically from those pertinent to filibusters underway in this Congress and from the rest of Senate cloture history on judicial nominations.
Thus far, we have had six cloture votes on Mr. Estrada and two cloture votes on Justice Owen, with more than a majority of Senators but less than a supermajority, favoring cloture. So the filibusters endure with no end in sight.
Prior to this year, the record number of cloture motions filed on any single judicial nomination was 2, and 17 such motions were filed overall. In a majority of those cases, cloture was invoked and confirmation followed. Even when cloture failed, confirmation followed. In all cases, the nominations were brought to a vote, the full Senate worked its will, and the nominees were confirmed.
The Estrada and Owen filibusters and their threatened progeny are anything but customary. They represent a disturbing change in Senate norms, a change that has been defended on untenable grounds.
Proponents of the filibusters claim they have no choice. With the Senate and its committees controlled by the party of the President, they have no choice but to filibuster, or so they say. Their logic is facile but faulty, and it runs contrary to many years of Senate tradition.
For 70 percent of the 20th century, one party controlled the White House and the Senate. This was the case for 6 years of President Wilson's term and the entire terms of Presidents Harding, Coolidge, and Hoover. It was the case through 12 years of President Franklin Roosevelt and 6 years of President Harry Truman. It was the case for all of the Kennedy-Johnson years, all of President Carter's years, 6 of President Reagan's years, and 2 years under President Clinton. In some of those eras, the Senate minority was Republican; in others Democratic. But at no time did those minorities resort to partisan filibusters of judicial nominees. At no time did those minorities deny the Senate the right to vote on confirmation.
What is happening now is aberrant. It breaks with Senate traditions. If the trend begun with the Estrada and Owen filibusters is not arrested, a disturbing new practice will take root.
Partisan filibusters to kill nominations will lead inevitably to more of the same in retribution. Left to fester, things can only get worse. The outcome cannot be good for current or future Senates, for current or future Presidents, for current or future nominees.
Those of us concerned about these consequences have two fundamental choices: We can either acquiesce to this partisan change in Senate norms, or propose a reform to Senate rules. Unwilling to accept a change in Senate traditions that will damage and weaken this institution, we offer a targeted and limited amendment to the rules.
Our remedy is narrow, aimed not against the filibuster generally, but against filibusters on nominations. If adopted, our proposal would have declining cloture requirements of 60, 57, 54, 51, and then a simple majority on successive cloture votes. The first cloture motion cannot be filed until a nomination has been pending for 12 hours. Successive cloture motions cannot be filed until the prior cloture motion has been resolved. As under current rules, each cloture motion will take 2 days to ripen. Our proposal is true to Senate traditions. It will permit robust debate and time for reflection, but also allow the Senate to reach a definite resolution on confirmations.
As I have said on this floor and before the committee, the filibuster is not sacrosanct. When it has been abused, it has been reformed. The very cloture rule itself represented just such a response to filibuster abuse. It has been amended five times since it was first adopted in 1917. Moreover, the very modest debate limitations we propose are significantly less restrictive than more than 25 provisions now in statute law that expedite Senate debate on measures ranging from budget reconciliation to the execution of war powers.
Madam President, some on the other side of the aisle have said our proposal is too extreme in that it would undermine their capacity to use existing rules to reshape Senate norms. Others from the same side have said our reform is too narrow because it does not attack filibusters in all circumstances.
My response is this: We must fix what is damaged, but we do not require radical surgery. We shall reform our rules to repair what is broken and restore traditions. Beyond that, we shall leave our rules alone.
Our opponents contend that our narrow reform will inevitably lead to the wholesale destruction of the filibuster in the Senate and that it will convert the Senate into a smaller copy of the House. I know of few, if any, Senators who would support that outcome, and I regard such predictions as fanciful. This proposal does not attack the use of filibuster on legislation. Instead, it builds on an existing tradition of distinctive procedures for the consideration of executive business.
One of those traditions is a 1980 precedent urged by Majority Leader Byrd which obviates debate on a motion to proceed to a nomination. Using the logic of our opponents, one could theorize that a next consistent step would be to mimic this precedent and kill debate on a motion to proceed to legislation. But 23 years have passed and that next step has not been taken. In its wisdom, the Senate has known how far it must go to resolve particular problems and when it must stop.
Our opponents argue that filibuster reform will undermine the balance of power between the President and the Senate. They claim if we adopt this proposal, the Senate will diminish itself and become the President's handmaiden. I do not desire that result, and I strongly disagree with that conclusion.
What their position amounts to is that Senate power to check a President can only be vindicated if a minority prevails against a majority ready to confirm.
Once again, for 70 of the last 100 years in this century, one party controlled both the Senate and the White House. Yet filibustering nominations was unheard of most all of that time. Was the Senate the President's handmaiden then and only now has awakened to its constitutional purpose?
Over two centuries, a number of judicial nominations failed on the Senate floor. Filibusters were unnecessary to defeat Clement Haynsworth, Harold Carswell, or Robert Bork, much less many earlier nominees, starting with President Washington's nominee, John Rutledge.
The full Senate, no President's handmaiden, asserted constitutional checks and balances. If we can only affirm Senate power by the filibuster, then we have come to a new and very unfortunate place. Thus, we propose to reform Senate rules in order to restore Senate traditions.
Filibuster reform is imperative. It will enable all Senators to meet their constitutional responsibility to advise and consent. With Senators so empowered, the voice of all Americans will again be heard on these matters.
Mr. President, I rise today to offer my support for the introduction of this resolution which offers a more than reasonable proposal to fix a confirmation process that Members on both ides of the…
Mr. President, I rise today to offer my support for the introduction of this resolution which offers a more than reasonable proposal to fix a confirmation process that Members on both ides of the aisle agree is broken.
Simultaneous filibusters of two circuit court nominees who would clearly be confirmed in up-or-down votes are unprecedented. From what I understand, the minority has plans for even more filibusters of judicial nominees. The resulting politicization of the confirmation process threatens the untarnished respect in which we hold our third branch of Government--the one branch of Government intended to be above political influence.
There is also a significant constitutional consideration at stake here. In its enumeration of Presidential powers, the Constitution specifies that the confirmation process begins and ends with the President. The Senate has the intermediary role of providing advice and consent. Here is the precise language of article II, section 2:
The President . . . shall nominate, and by and with the
Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint . . .
Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of
the Supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United
States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided
for, and which shall be established by Law[.]
There is no question that the Constitution squarely places the appointment power in the hands of the President. As Alexander Hamilton explained the The Federalist No. 66:
It will be the Office of the President to nominate, and,
with the advice and consent of the Senate, to appoint. There
will, of course, be no exertion of choice on the part of the
Senate. They may defeat one choice of the Executive, and
oblige him to make another; but they cannot themselves
choose--they can only ratify or reject the choice he may have
made.
It is significant that the Constitution outlines the Senate's role in the appointments process in the enumeration of Presidential powers in article II, rather than in the enumeration of congressional powers in article I. This choice suggests that the Senate was intended to play a more limited role in the confirmation of Federal judges.
Hamilton's discussion of the appointments clause in The Federalist No. 76
supports this reading. Hamilton believed that the President, acting alone, would be the better choice for making nominations, as he would be less vulnerable to personal considerations and political negotiations than the Senate and more inclined, as the sole decision maker, to select nominees who would reflect well on the presidency. The Senate's role, by comparison, would be to act as a powerful check on ``unfit'' nominees by the President. As he put it, ``[Senate confirmation] would be an excellent check upon a spirit of favoritism in the President, and would tend greatly to prevent the appointment of unfit characters from State prejudice, from family connection, from personal attachment, or from a view to popularity.'' This is a far cry from efforts we have seen over the past couple of years to inject ideology into the nominations process, and to force nominees to disclose their personal opinions on hot-button and divisive policy issues like abortion, gun control, and affirmation action.
Historically, deliberation by the Senate could be quite short, especially when compared to today's practice. Take, for example the 1862 nomination and confirmation of Samuel F. Miller to the U.S. Supreme Court. He was nominated, confirmed, and commissioned all on the same day! The Senate formally deliberated on his nomination for only 30 minutes before confirming him. His experience was not the exception. Confirmations on the same day, or within a few days, of the nomination were the norm well into the 20th century.
Contrast the nominations of Miguel Estrada and Priscilla Owen. They were appointed 2 years ago and have yet to be afforded an up-or-down vote by the Senate. Mr. Estrada has now endured six cloture votes more than 3 months after debate on his nomination began. Justice Owen's nomination has been subjected to two cloture votes. Clearly, this is a far cry from the role for the Senate that the Framers contemplated. What was enumerated in the Constitution as advice and consent has in practice evolved to negotiation and cooperation in the best cases, and delay and obstruction in the worst cases--like that of Mr. Estrada and Justice Owen.
The Estrada and Owen nominations illustrate what is wrong with our current system of confirming nominees. Despite a bipartisan majority of Senators who stand ready to vote on these nominations, a vocal minority of Senators is precluding the Senate from exercising its advice and consent duty. This is tyranny of the minority, and it is unfair.
It is unfair to the nominee, who must put life on hold while hanging in endless limbo. It is unfair to the judiciary, our co-equal branch of Government, which needs its vacancies filled. It is unfair to our President, who has a justified expectation that the Senate will give his nominees an up-or-down vote. And it is unfair to the majority of Senators who are prepared to vote on this nomination.
Many of my colleagues, both Republicans and Democrats, agree that the confirmation process is broken. Senator Feinstein stated in a recent letter to the White House that the judicial confirmation process is ``going in the wrong direction'' and is potentially ``spiral[ing] out of control.'' Senator Schumer has also indicated that his goal is to repair the ``broken'' judicial confirmation process and the ``vicious cycle'' of ``delayed'' Senate nominees.
The resolution submitted today sets forth a proposal that strikes a balanced solution by allowing for ample, yet not endless, debate on nominations. It provides that cloture may be filed only after a nomination has been pending before the Senate for a minimum of 12 hours. Sixty votes are required to invoke cloture on the first motion. After that, the number of required votes on successive cloture motions would decrease to 57, then to 54, then finally to a simple majority of Senators present and voting. A successive cloture motion cannot be filed until disposition of the prior cloture motion, thereby ensuring that a nomination cannot be confirmed by a simple majority vote until a minimum of 13 session days have elapsed.
This proposal has its roots in S. Res. 85, which was submitted by Senator Miller on March 13 of this year. In addition, it is similar to a 1995 proposal of Senator Harkin and Senator Lieberman, which also provided for graduated vote requirements to invoke cloture. In support of their proposal, Senator Harkin stated, ``I may not agree with everything that Republicans are proposing, but they are in the majority and they ought to have the right to have us vote on the merits of what they propose.'' With regard to judicial nominations, I could not agree more.
Senator Harkin also cited the research of a bipartisan group named ``Action Not Gridlock,'' which commissioned a poll in the summer of 1994 showing that ``80-percent of independents, 74-percent of Democrats, and 79-percent of Republicans said that when enough time was consumed in debate, that after debate a majority ought to be able to get the bill to the floor. That a majority ought to be able, at some point, to end the debate.'' I would be surprised if a similar poll today would yield substantially different results. I think that the American people understand the fundamental injustice of a minority's ability to block an up-or-down vote on nominations.
In support of their 1995 proposal, Senator Lieberman stated, ``Some say there is a danger of a tyranny of the majority. I say that there is a danger inherent in the current procedure of a tyranny of the minority over the majority, inconsistent with the intention of the Framers of the Constitution.'' Today, the ``tyranny of the minority'' to which Senator Lieberman referred over 8 years ago is in effect and wielding the filibuster in a most unjust manner against President Bush's exceptional nominees who have bipartisan support. I support today's resolution because it will dilute the tyrannical power of the filibusters against these nominees.
I have alluded to my frustrations with the current filibusters of President Bush's nominations. But the bottom line is this: many of us agree that we must try to repair the broken confirmation process. A bipartisan majority of Senators stands ready to vote on the two nominees who are currently being filibustered. This resolution is a reasonable accommodation that preserves the opportunity for extended debate, yet allows Senators to, eventually, do their duty and vote. I hope that my colleagues will support this resolution.
Mr. President, reserving the right to object. I shall not object, but I ask for this recognition for the purpose of asking the distinguished majority leader a question. Before I do that, may I say to…
Mr. President, reserving the right to object.
I shall not object, but I ask for this recognition for the purpose of asking the distinguished majority leader a question.
Before I do that, may I say to the distinguished majority leader that I have no intention to become involved in this game back and forth. And I do not say it is a game just indulged in by one side. I have nothing to do with it. I have had nothing to say in it thus far. And at the moment, I do not anticipate having anything to say.
My interest is this: I am the ranking member of the Appropriations Committee of the Senate. I have been on that Appropriations Committee longer than any Senator in history. I have been on it 45 years. I would like to see us get one more appropriations bill passed.
When I was chairman of the Appropriations Committee for 7 years, I do not believe there was a year in which we did not get all 13 regular appropriations bills passed. We have passed 10 appropriations bills already this year.
The distinguished chairman of the Appropriations Committee, Mr. Stevens, who is the President pro tempore of the Senate, and who now presides, has worked hard and has worked with me, but he has done most of the work in getting those 10 appropriations bills passed. I discussed this matter with him during the vote just preceding the hour of 6 o'clock, and I indicated to him I would like to see us try to finish this appropriations bill, the VA-HUD appropriations bill. And he indicated to me--he is in the chair--he indicated to me he would be glad to work toward that.
So here we are. We have finished floor action on 10 of the 13 regular appropriations bills. Only three are left. Those three are VA-HUD; DC appropriations; and CJS, Commerce-Justice-State--three appropriations bills. We are almost finished on VA-HUD.
When I came to the floor, my interest was in trying to get that bill finished, making it 11 appropriations bills. So I came to the floor, and I asked the manager on this side, Senator Mikulski, if we could finish it, and how long it would take, in her judgment. She thought it would take perhaps 2 more hours. And I believe, in discussions with Senator Bond, it was also indicated that we might finish that bill in 2 hours.
Now, I hoped the majority leader would be in the Chamber prior to the hour of 6 o'clock. I was made aware of his request that he be recognized 2 minutes before 6--5:58 or some such. I was hoping that-- and it was with considerable trepidation, certainly reluctance, that I sought to impose a unanimous consent request that would, for 2 hours, have delayed action on the then-pending unanimous consent--Senate request--the unanimous consent request. I get my tongue a little twisted at age 86. That is my problem.
But I waited, hoping the majority leader would come to the floor. I know the demands on him, and I understand that. But I hoped he would be here so that I could make this request prior to this, what I call a game that is going on.
Please forgive me if--I am interested in getting the appropriations bills passed. I am not interested in participating in this other matter at all--right now. I have some ideas. I do not thoroughly agree--I do not completely agree with the distinguished majority leader on his interpretation of the Constitution with respect to nominees, but that is for another time.
But I have taken the floor now in the hope that we might, on this one day after Veterans Day--and my mother died on Armistice Day, 1918. I was 1 year old back then, lacking a week or something.
We have men and women dying in Iraq now. We have veterans by the scores coming back to this country who are injured and who will carry for life the signs of their service in Iraq.
I wanted to ask the distinguished majority leader--and I did not want to interrupt his speech, but I want to ask him, with great respect, if he would be willing to let the Senate go, let's say, until 8 o'clock, and then renew the previous order, with the understanding that we finish action on the VA-HUD bill by 8 o'clock, that the time intervening be equally divided between Mr. Bond and Senator Mikulski, and that we enter the order to complete that bill at 8 o'clock.
That is all I am asking, that we go another hour and a half, complete that bill, which would make us have 11 bills finished as far as floor action is concerned, with only 2 remaining. Let's get that bill passed. That is important.
I was a participant in the filibuster against Abe Fortas. I know something about filibusters. And I just am not willing to enter into one personally right now. But I would like to get this appropriations bill finished.
Mr. President, further reserving the right to object.
And I do not intend to object, Mr. President.
May I say to the distinguished majority leader, 4 million veterans receive health care through the veterans health care system funded by the VA-HUD bill. How should we explain to these veterans that the bill is being set aside?
Will the Senator yield for me to respond?
Mr. President, I have long admired the distinguished Senator from Tennessee.
[Disturbance in the Galleries.]
I do not say that facetiously.
Some people are serious when they say things. But I have admired the Senator as a great physician. He speaks of his long service to veterans. I speak of a long service to veterans--more than 51 years in this Congress. I was here when the Veterans Administration was created. About Friday--Friday----
I am the recipient of the Franklin Delano and Eleanor Roosevelt Award for Freedom from Fear. I will receive that award on Saturday. I am not in a position to drive up on Saturday morning and receive that award. My wife is invited also with me. She cannot go. So I have to go on Friday, and the train leaves at 1 o'clock. As far as I am personally concerned, I would be happy to come in and finish those 2 hours and get the--I believe there are four votes that are going to be scheduled on clotures that morning.
Well, I have cast more rollcall votes than any living Senator, any deceased Senator, any Senator in the history of this Republic, any other Senator. I have 16,627 or 8 or 9--somewhere along there.
I say all that to say this: I do not want to miss any rollcall votes on Saturday. I take great pride in my rollcall record extending over 45 years in the Senate. It is 98.7 percent. So I missed less than 2 percent of the votes.
Could we agree then--I do not want to put myself in the position of my own leaders, as I did not want to put myself in the position of the distinguished majority leader on the other side. I would like to be able to make the four votes on Friday, catch my train at 1 o'clock, and go up and receive this very prestigious award.
Could we work something out to that effect?
No. I reserved the right to object. May I have another minute? I am not participating in this whatever you call it--marathon, talkathon, blame-athon, or whatever it is. That is not of my interest right now. I am interested in the appropriations bill. It can be passed in 2 hours or less. As far as I am concerned, we could pass it now, just have a rollcall vote on it, the VA-HUD, but that would depend upon the two managers.
I am not going to impose on the time of the Senate and the majority leader, but I ask the majority leader, would he please put the request in some form to finish this bill within the next hour, have a vote up or down within the next hour?
Thank you, Mr. President. I remove my reservation and thank the majority leader.
Mr. President, Senator Hatch will be on the floor shortly. Before he gets here, I want to talk about one of the nominees who we will be voting on, once again, with cloture votes on Friday. That is…
Mr. President, Senator Hatch will be on the floor shortly. Before he gets here, I want to talk about one of the nominees who we will be voting on, once again, with cloture votes on Friday. That is Justice Priscilla Owen. Justice Priscilla Owen has had a vote in the Senate. She has had four or five votes in the Senate.
If we were adhering to the Constitution of the United States, she would be sitting on the Fifth Circuit today. There are three vacancies on the Fifth Circuit. They need to fill their bench. She should be sitting there because she has gotten more than 51 votes. But Priscilla Owen is not sitting on the Federal bench today because we have a new standard that has been put in place for the first time since 1789. Last year, we started having a 60-vote standard for Federal judges.
So Priscilla Owen, although she has repeatedly and every time, gotten over the required 51 percent, is not sitting on the Federal bench today. No. Instead, this very qualified supreme court justice of the State of Texas is doing her job, doing it very well, serving as a supreme court justice in the State of Texas, even though she has gotten the requisite number of votes on repeated occasions to be confirmed as a Federal judge by the standards of this Congress from 1789 until 2002, until the rules were changed because we are now filibustering Federal judge nominees.
Priscilla Owen was endorsed by every newspaper in Texas when she ran for reelection. Priscilla Owen made the highest grade--the highest grade--on the bar exam when she took it. She graduated at the top of her class from Baylor Law School. She has had an exemplary record both as a supreme court justice for the State of Texas and as a practicing lawyer. She is experienced. She is qualified. She was rendered qualified by the ABA system, the committee, and she has been endorsed by Democrats and Republicans throughout Texas. She has been endorsed by Democratic supreme court justices with whom she served on the Supreme Court of Texas.
The former chief justice of the supreme court, a Democrat, named John R. Hill, who also was a Democrat attorney general in the State of Texas--a very fine one, a very respected lawyerNOTICE
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in Texas; supreme court chief justice and attorney general of our State--said Priscilla Owen is unqualifiedly the best we could have for this court. She is a person who ought to be on the Federal court.
In fact, he came up here and tried to meet with Democratic Senators to talk about how qualified she is. That Priscilla Owen is not sitting on the Fifth Circuit today is a tragedy, and it is not right.
She is not the only one who has been asked to meet this higher standard. Look at Miguel Estrada, who came to our country as a boy and did not even speak English, who studied so hard that he was able to go to Columbia and become a Phi Beta Kappa, and then to Harvard Law School, where he graduated, again in the top of his class.
Miguel Estrada, the American dream; Miguel Estrada, who sat here since May of 2001, who got the requisite number of votes to be confirmed for the DC Circuit--well over 51--time and time and time again, but he is not sitting on the DC Circuit. He finally said: I can't take this anymore. I have to get on with my life. In September, he said: Take my name off the list.
Why? Why have we set a higher bar for Priscilla Owen and Miguel Estrada--these two perfectly qualified people, with great academic standing, with great records, with experience, everything you would want on the Federal bench?
What are we going to do to the people who would ask for Federal benches in the future? I am very concerned that after watching this process so many of them are going to say: Please, don't throw me in that briar patch.
So, Mr. President, I do not think we should change the Constitution of the United States without going through the process of a constitutional amendment. Have we had a vote on the floor that got a two-thirds majority saying that we will have a 60-vote requirement for confirming Federal judges? Have we done that? That is the process for amending the Constitution of the United States.
But I do not think that since I have been here I have seen a vote that would say: No, it is not a 51-vote margin; it is 60. No, Mr. President, we have not had that vote. But, in fact, the amendment to the Constitution is being put forward without going through the process. Because we now have six people nominated to the circuit court bench who are having to meet a higher standard than 51. And that is not right.
To date, our President, President Bush, has had 63 percent of his nominees to the circuit court confirmed. The previous three Presidents have had 91 percent of their circuit court judges confirmed by this time in their terms.
So I am going to turn the floor over to the distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee who has done a wonderful job trying to get these nominations through the process. He has done a magnificent job in trying to bring these great nominees to the floor.
But we are standing here tonight because this is a constitutional issue, and it is important. It is important that these good people, who have submitted themselves for this process to be confirmed as Federal circuit judges, be able to, with dignity, have a vote up or down with the same standard that we have had since 1789; and that is a 51-vote margin.
Thank you, Mr. President. I yield the floor.
Will the Senator yield for a question? I notice my friend's voice from Utah is cracking a bit, and I thought I might give him a moment's relief by asking him a question or two. I would ask the…
Will the Senator yield for a question?
I notice my friend's voice from Utah is cracking a bit, and I thought I might give him a moment's relief by asking him a question or two.
I would ask the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, was it not the case that the current DC Circuit Judge John Roberts and nominee Miguel Estrada were nominated on the same day in May of 2001?
I would ask my friend from Utah, is it not true that the rationale for defeating Miguel Estrada given by the other side was that either he or the Justice Department or both of them refused to turn over the working papers that he had produced during his period as a lawyer in the Solicitor's Office of the Justice Department?
Right. Was it also not the case, I ask my friend from Utah, that every single living Solicitor, who are either current or former Solicitors, the majority of which are Democrats, concurred with the Justice Department's position that these working papers should not be turned over?
People such as Seth Waxman and Archibald Cox?
All concurred?
All concurred that these types of working papers should not be turned over?
Is it not the case, I ask my friend from Utah, that both John Roberts and Miguel Estrada worked in the Solicitor's Office?
The same two gentlemen we just discussed, who were nominated on the same day back in May of 2001, by President Bush, for the very same court?
Nominated to the same court, the same experience in the Solicitor's Office. And is it not the case, I say to my friend from Utah, that John Roberts was passed out of committee and subsequently confirmed on a voice vote in the Senate?
He certainly had to wait a while, did he not?
Is it not the case that you had two nominees nominated on the same day, to the same court, having had the same experience in the Solicitor's Office, and one nominee was rejected because internal papers in the Solicitor's Office were requested and not turned over, and no such request for the same kind of office papers were made of now Judge Roberts?
So the request was made for certain papers of one nominee and the precise same papers of the other nominee were not requested?
Let me ask my friend from Utah, is there any conceivable basis for such disparate treatment for the same two people, nominated for the very same court on the very same day, going through the very same Judiciary Committee? Can the Senator from Utah think of any rational reason for this kind of disparate treatment?
But the stated reason, I would say to my friend from Utah, you just confirmed a moment ago. The stated reason for not confirming Miguel Estrada was that he would not turn over these papers or the administration would not turn over these papers.
That was the stated reason.
So I say to my friend from Utah, what we have is a situation where a white male nominee, to the very same court, with the very same experience, was treated one way and a Hispanic-American nominee, nominated to the very same court, on the very same day, was treated differently?
It sounds to this Senator, I wonder if the chairman concurs, that there was a sort of rule created and applied to Miguel Estrada----
That was not applied to John Roberts, two nominees considered for the same court at the same time.
Which is why, I say to my friend, they didn't ask for those papers on John Roberts.
So I say to my friend from Utah, and I will conclude with this, the practical result of that is this immigrant who came to the United States as a teenager, speaking broken English, realized the American dream, went to undergraduate and law school, was a star student, argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court, was denied an opportunity to get an up-or-down vote on the Senate floor by the creation of a standard that was not applied at the very same time to another nominee who was not a minority.
They were having a hard time, I say to the chairman, trying to find some basis upon which to defeat this guy. He was unanimously well qualified by the ABA, right?
He argued 15 cases before the Supreme Court.
He received outstanding recommendations from everyone with whom he worked. They were having a real struggle, weren't they, I say to my friend, the chairman, trying to find some basis upon which to reject this truly outstanding nominee.
Isn't it true, I ask my friend from Utah, in California where the justice to whom you just referred serves on the supreme court, you have to stand periodically for continuation?
You can be rejected. Is it not true she got three- fourths of the votes?
This is in that bastion of conservatism, California.
This nominee who was called outside the mainstream-- outside the mainstream--gets about three-fourths of the vote in that bastion of conservatism--California--and the other side suggests she is somehow unacceptably conservative? That is absurd on its face, I argue to my friend.
Isn't it also true, I say to my friend, the chairman, that one of the arguments used on some of the nominees is because they have certain personal beliefs, that they won't uphold the law? Has that been an argument frequently made?
Which is what I was going to ask my friend, the chairman.
This is the same Bill Pryor who is currently standing up against the Alabama chief justice.
Who has been defying a court order by refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from a public building. It is very unpopular in Alabama to be against that guy.
A classic example of following the law and not his own personal beliefs; is that not correct?
I object.
I wish the Senator from Michigan, Mr. Levin, were still on the floor. In his arguments, he cited a quote from Lyndon Baines Johnson as to what would be the best gift that could be given, I believe he…
I wish the Senator from Michigan, Mr. Levin, were still on the floor. In his arguments, he cited a quote from Lyndon Baines Johnson as to what would be the best gift that could be given, I believe he said, to the Soviet Union or those behind the Iron Curtain. He thought the best gift would be unlimited debate.
I could think of a lot of other things you would want to give people who are repressed than unlimited debate. Maybe freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religious beliefs, private property rights, due process, equal protection of the law, maybe even the right to bear arms so they can overthrow the dictatorship.
Unlimited debate--that does not strike me as what is needed in a democracy. What one wants is adherence to the Constitution, accountability and responsible action by those who are elected by the people. And we want fairness, which is being denied here, without potential for filibustering.
This is what Senator Levin said that President Johnson said: ``If I should have the opportunity to send into countries behind the iron curtain one freedom, and only one, my choice would be to send those nations the right of unlimited debate in their legislative chambers.''
I expect they could have had all sorts of unlimited debate but what one wants is adherence to our U.S. Constitution.
Let me share with our distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Hatch, some words that have been said recently: Judgeships are currently vacant, causing undue delays in justice for citizens served by the court. The candidates for these vacancies deserve to have an up-or-down vote on their nominations. The Senate should not be playing politics with the Federal judiciary.
Guess who said that? Senator Carl Levin in a press release on May 24, 2000.
Then Senator Levin said, on October 3, 2000, in the Congressional Record: I believe the Nation as a whole deserves to have these nominees and other nominees awaiting hearings and votes acted on by this Senate, as well. I believe it is also unfair. Perhaps this is the most important of all to the people who await justice in their courts.
Senator Levin said that on October 3, 2000.
Then Senator Levin also said that leadership had a responsibility to advise and at least vote on judicial nominees.
And parallel to the debates we are having on several of the judges this evening that will go on through tomorrow and into the morning on Friday, he said: Two of the women who we are focusing on today are from Michigan. They are nominees for the court of appeals. The truth of the matter is that the leadership of the Senate has the responsibility to do what the Constitution says we should do which is to advise and at least vote on whether or not to consent to the nomination of nominees for these courts.
That was September 14, 2000, 3 years ago. I wish that Senator Levin were still on the floor so I could ask him whether he was right in 2000, saying the Constitution demanded and required Senators to act and vote on nominees. Or does he really believe that the most important responsibility is for endless debate?
I say to the Senator from Utah, Mr. Hatch, what we have seen is stalling and more stalling and more stalling. They can debate endlessly, but at the end of every debate, at the end of every examination, of everyone's qualifications and capabilities, and whether Miguel Estrada, Priscilla Owen, or any other of the nominees, ultimately the responsibility is, as Senator Levin said 3 years ago, it is our responsibility to act, to vote. The Constitution demands it. Accountability to our constituents and our respective States demands it. And fairness should not continue to be denied to these many nominees because
of the obstruction and also the very inconsistent statements that have been made this year compared to past years.
I ask the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would you find these statements to be prior inconsistent statements which call into question the desirability of having endless debates in the Senate or in the committee, especially after the committee has decided on a majority vote to report out, favorably, a judicial nominee?
I have a followup question. In view of our friend from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and his articulate, passionate statement, Senator Santorum, out of the thousands and thousands of nominations, how many have been filibustered? Zero, is that not correct?
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Mr. President, I have spent a fair amount of time on the floor tonight listening. I am a freshman on the Judiciary Committee. There are a great many things Senators can do. They can speak…
Mr. President, I have spent a fair amount of time on the floor tonight listening. I am a freshman on the Judiciary Committee. There are a great many things Senators can do. They can speak flamboyantly, they can speak articulately, they make history, but they cannot rewrite history.
I heard a few phrases tonight that were trying to rewrite a little of the history. So I thought for a few moments I would read from a letter from the Senator who was there for the Abe Fortas debate, not a filibuster but a debate, a cloture vote. We are trying to say tonight that cloture votes are somehow filibusters. Well, my goodness, what an interesting term of art. Most importantly, what an interesting play of words.
Filibusters are nonstop speaking. Cloture votes are simply to gain the majority necessary, a supermajority, to continue the work of the Senate. Now, those are the rules of the Senate.
Let me read a letter that came to us from Robert Griffin, Republican Senator from Michigan. He writes to the Honorable John Cornyn, chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution:
Dear Mr. Chairman: An Associated Press piece which appeared
yesterday in many of the Sunday newspapers (copy attached)
speculated that Chief Justice Rehnquist and/or Justice
O'Connor might retire this year or next, and concluded with
this comment: Presidents have not had much success in
appointing Supreme Court justices in election years. . . .
The last person to try it was Lyndon Johnson in 1968, when he
failed to elevate Justice Abe Fortas to replace Chief Justice
Earl Warren. Republicans filibustered the nomination and
Johnson backed off.
That is what the article in the paper said. Here are the facts from a Senator who was on the floor at the time debating the Abe Fortas nomination. He goes on:
Whether intended or not, the inference read by many would
be: Since the Republicans filibustered to block Justice
Fortas from becoming Chief Justice, it must be all
right for Democrats to filibuster to keep President Bush's
nominees off the appellate courts. Having been on the scene
in 1968, and having participated in the debate, I see a
number of very important differences between what happened
then and the situation that confronts the Senate today.
First of all, four days of debate on a nomination for Chief
Justice is hardly a filibuster.
He goes on to speak of the remarks that he gave in closing out that debate.
When is a filibuster, Mr. President? . . . There have been
no dilatory quorum calls or other dilatory tactics employed.
The speakers who have taken the floor have addressed
themselves to the subject before the Senate, and a most
interesting and useful discussion has been recorded in the
Congressional Record.
Those who are considering invocation of cloture at this
early stage on such a controversial, complex matter should
keep in mind that Senate debate last year on the investment
tax credit bill lasted 5 weeks--
In other words, Senate leadership is now considering imposing a cloture vote on the debate that has gone on for 4 days. Nothing was said about a filibuster. So we go on, and he speaks about that. Then he says:
While a few Senators, individually, might have contemplated
the use of the filibuster, there was no Republican Party
position that it should be employed. Indeed, Republican
leader of the Senate, Everett Dirksen, publicly expressed his
support for the Fortas nomination shortly after the President
announced his choice. Opposition in 1968 to the Fortas
nomination was not partisan. Some Republicans supported
Fortas; and some Democrats opposed him.
Then he goes on to speak about the cloture vote. There were 45 in favor of the motion and 43 against.
What happened the next day, when the President, a Democrat President, could see he simply did not have bipartisan support on the floor for a majority, 50 plus 1? He pulled the Abe Fortas nomination. There was no filibuster. There was simply a cloture vote.
Now, it is a term of art that is trying to be finely defined tonight and finely written. When is a filibuster a filibuster? When is a cloture a cloture? Well, my colleagues cannot use the Abe Fortas example as a filibuster because simply this Senator will never allow other Senators to rewrite history. History is what it is at the time it is recorded and the Congressional Record clearly demonstrates----
Mr. President, if I could ask the Senator a question. Maybe he could help me understand something I am having a difficult time understanding. I had the privilege of serving as a law clerk in the…
Mr. President, if I could ask the Senator a question. Maybe he could help me understand something I am having a difficult time understanding.
I had the privilege of serving as a law clerk in the 1960s to the Honorable John Minor Wisdom on the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Wisdom was among the four Republican-appointed judges who presided over the peaceful desegregation of the South. I have lived in the South and grown up in the South and know something about what those years were like.
I have been mystified, since I am not a member of the Judiciary Committee, by the treatment of Judge Pickering of Mississippi and Attorney General Bill Pryor of Alabama. I do not know Judge Pickering. I have met him briefly only twice. My staff and I studied his record. I have heard insinuations and words that were carefully chosen by the other side to suggest he was guilty of not being sensitive on racial issues. Yet when I looked into his record, I discovered, quite to the contrary. He had been living in Laurel, MS. In 1967, just to cite one example, he had testified in public against the leader of the White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, which were the closest thing we had to terrorists in the United States of America in the last half century--an act of courage.
So here is a man who throughout his whole life was far out front on issues of race relations. He was living in an area where it was hard to do, and he had not been quiet, he had not been backward, he had been far out front of his neighbors on issues of race relations.
Then I learn about Mr. Pryor, the Attorney General of Alabama, and I realize in hearing Senator Sessions talk that he, too, was a law clerk to Judge Wisdom, the great civil rights judge in the South. I hear it said Mr. Pryor is somehow insensitive to racial and other matters.
Yet looking into his record, I learned he is at the moment seeking to oust the chief judge of Alabama in the case involving the chief judge's failure to obey a Federal court order to remove the Ten Commandments from the State Supreme Court, that the State Attorney General of Alabama wrote all the football players and coaches in Alabama to say they could not pray before football games because the law did not allow it, that he wrote to the district attorneys telling them they could not enforce a law against abortion, that he took a case all the way to the United States Supreme Court that was against the Republican party to which he belonged. It seemed to me here is a man who I recall Judge Wisdom talking about as a wonderfully talented young man. The judge was very proud of him. Here he has this record of upholding the law when it would be enormously unpopular in Alabama and certainly must be against his own views.
What is it about these two southerners, the latter one, the editor in chief of the Tulane Law Review, a law clerk to Judge Wisdom, this distinguished person; and then Judge Pickering, who was a leader for civil rights, endorsed by former Governor William Winter, the Democrat, endorsed by Frank Hunger, Al Gore's brother-in-law. What is it about the other side that will not allow us to have an up-or-down vote on those two southerners who have been nominated by the President to be a judge?
May I ask the chairman, did he not, as Attorney General of Alabama, advise the local district attorneys they could not enforce a law passed by the Alabama State legislature----
Because it would be in violation of a Supreme Court decision?
I wonder if the chairman remembers--I have heard a lot of talk tonight about what a great protection of minority rights the filibuster is.
I am trying to think back to the 1950s and the 1960s. How many rights of African Americans in the South were protected by the filibuster in the 1950s?
In the 1960s? How long was civil rights legislation held up in this very body by the filibuster? What was it that caused the cloture rules to be changed so now it takes 60 to override instead of 67? It was the Nation's anger about the filibuster, denying equal rights for African Americans in the South in the United States.
What is so great about the filibuster in terms of protecting the rights of minorities and individuals if it delayed progress on civil rights for so long in this country?
Mr. President, I want to respond directly to the comments made by the Senator from Connecticut. I too sit on the Rules Committee and I take a responsibility here, being a steward, as the Senator from…
Mr. President, I want to respond directly to the comments made by the Senator from Connecticut. I too sit on the Rules Committee and I take a responsibility here, being a steward, as the Senator from Connecticut said, a temporary steward of this place. One would think, if they listened to the comments of the Senator from Connecticut, that what the Republicans are trying to do is change the rules.
I have a chart of the last 11 Presidents since the ``filibuster rule'' has been around: 2,372 judicial nominations confirmed, zero filibustered.
Who is changing the rules? This is a wonderful world we have: That left is right, right is left, up is down, in is out.
The rules have been changed by practice. They hold up a chart 168 to 4. This states 2,372 to nothing. Never been done. Walk through these Halls. Stand in this Chamber. If the walls could speak of the great debates, the intense,
partisan, vicious debates that occurred in this Chamber, fights that have occurred on the floor of the Senate because of the passions of the moment, so firmly believing that what you were fighting for was right.
But not once, not one time did they put that passion for that short- term partisan or political or policy game in front of the sacred constitutional process that governs this country.
What does that constitutional process dictate in the case of judicial nominations? Look at the precedent my friends. Look at the precedent. No filibusters. Because the Constitution says that it is a majority vote. In spite of the rancor, in spite of the partisanship and the stakes so high so many times in our country's history, they always had the perspective because, yes, I say to the Senator from Connecticut, they knew they were temporary stewards. They took that responsibility seriously so they did not corrupt the rules.
Why are we changing the rules? We are not trying to change the rules. We are trying to bring back the rules that have been in this country for 214 years. We are trying to change the rules? We are not being good temporary stewards? Me thinks thou doest protest too much. We are simply trying to set this Senate back to the days the Senator from Connecticut recalls as a boy, when giants did stroll this Senate, where big matters were at stake, but they put the integrity of the process, the integrity of the Senate because we are a country of laws and rules and constitutions. We do not twist them and corrupt them to meet the short-term political needs that some interest group off the Hill was pleading for you to do.
That is what is happening here. That is what occurs here, and will occur, unfortunately, if we do not have a change of heart by a number of people on the other side of the aisle again on Friday so the 98- percent button that I see and the 168 to 4 will now be 168 to 6 and then 168 to 7 and then to 8 and then to who knows? Because once we corrupt the system, once we twist the rules to meet our partisan end, there is no end other than a complete debasement of what this Senate has stood for 2,372 times before.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, first, may I thank the distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee. I thank the Presiding Officer and I thank the distinguished chairman of our Judiciary Committee. I say to my…
Mr. President, first, may I thank the distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
I thank the Presiding Officer and I thank the distinguished chairman of our Judiciary Committee.
I say to my colleague from Virginia how proud we are to be from the Commonwealth of Virginia from whence so many Framers of the Constitution came. I compliment you on your remarks tonight. I am privileged to serve with you because you represent, in my judgment, all the fine things about the Commonwealth. I try, in my humble way these 25 years, to do the same.
The Senator referred to this Constitution. The question I have to our distinguished chairman is very simple. I want to go back to the hot summer of 1787, when 55 individuals had gathered from the Colonies to work from May 25 to September 17 to frame this precious document. It was a long, hot summer. Tireless trips from their homes to Philadelphia. As a consequence, today, our form of government is the oldest continuously functioning government on Earth today. I have been challenged on it. But almost every other government in existence at the time this Constitution was written have fallen into the dustbin of history. Someone challenged me about Switzerland. Yes, Napoleon crossed the Alps and ceased that government for a period of time. This is a government that has continued to function.
As the delegates emerged on the final day, September 17, Ben Franklin walked down the steps and was met by a reporter. I thought of that little history tonight when a reporter asked me, what is it that you are doing tonight in the Senate? Mr. Franklin answered that question on September 17, 1787. He said to that reporter: We have given you a Republic, if you can keep it.
This Constitution explicitly gives to the President of the United States the power to appoint the judges. In Section 2, it explicitly gives to the Senate, not the Congress, but to the Senate, the responsibility of advice and consent.
Three coequal branches of the Government and the judiciary perform that critical function of keeping the power of each of the other two, executive and legislative, in balance. That is what we are doing tonight. I ask the distinguished chairman, are we not, in the immortal words of Ben Franklin, here tonight for one sole purpose, to keep our Republic?
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished chair of the Judiciary Committee, the Senator from Utah, for yielding. I have a question that reflects upon the implications, changing the constitutional…
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished chair of the Judiciary Committee, the Senator from Utah, for yielding. I have a question that reflects upon the implications, changing the constitutional standard. The Senator from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania noted that of the past 11 Presidents' judicial nominees, 2,372 were confirmed, zero filibuster. The President was elected and he has served his responsibilities on the part of his office; we have our responsibility. I take it that the Senator from Utah would say part of those responsibilities in the Constitution give us the opportunity to vote, a majority vote to confirm or deny the confirmation of judges.
The question I have concerns a comment that appeared in a Minnesota paper. Like the Senator from Colorado, Minnesota papers have commented on this problem. There was a column by George Will, a nationally syndicated columnist, that appeared in the Duluth News Tribune. He said the following, and I ask the Senator from Utah whether he would agree with this statement: If the Senate rules, exploited by an anticonstitutional minority, are allowed to trump the Constitution's test and two centuries of practice, the Senate's power to consent to judicial nominations will have become a Senate right to require a 60- vote supermajority for confirmations by thus nullifying the President's power to shape the judiciary, the Democratic Party will yield a Presidential power without having won a Presidential election. Would the Senator from Utah agree with this statement?
Will the Senator, if I could just follow up--so the record is clear----
It is clear, in the history of this great Republic, the Senate has not denied a confirmation of a circuit court nominee by filibuster?
I thank the Senator.
I thank the fine Senator from Utah. I thank the fine Senator from Utah for yielding. Many papers in the State of Colorado have expressed a concern that we are not voting on judicial nominees, along…
I thank the fine Senator from Utah.
I thank the fine Senator from Utah for yielding.
Many papers in the State of Colorado have expressed a concern that we are not voting on judicial nominees, along with many papers throughout the country. I have three papers that expressed a view. I would like to have the chairman respond to the comments made in these three papers.
Many people throughout Colorado wonder what the impact might be on having a filibuster and how that will affect the Federal judiciary. Many of them live in the great city of Pueblo. In fact, the Pueblo Chieftain observed, ``some liberals are trying to create a second legislative body,'' referring to the judiciary, ``that will pass measures which they cannot get passed because they're often opposed by a majority of Americans.'' The paper fears this will lead to ``a serious erosion of the separation of powers.''
Does the Senator from Utah share those concerns?
That is correct. I thank the chairman for responding to those comments made in those three major papers in the State of Colorado.
We do need to move on for a vote. They express the view of many in Colorado. I thank the chairman for giving me an opportunity to ask the question.
Will the Senator yield for a question? Did the Senator know that although the Senator from Alabama strongly opposed Berzon and Paez and voted against both those nominees, that there were holds on…
Will the Senator yield for a question?
Did the Senator know that although the Senator from Alabama strongly opposed Berzon and Paez and voted against both those nominees, that there were holds on those nominees, and the Republican leader, Trent Lott, moved for cloture to move the nominations forward, and this Senator, as did Trent Lott, voted for cloture to bring an up- or-down vote and voted against the nomination although we----
That is not the kind of filibuster we have going on today.
Mr. President, it is my understanding that there is a rough sense between the Democratic and Republican sides that the next hour, at least on our schedule, had been designated, that the Republican…
Mr. President, it is my understanding that there is a rough sense between the Democratic and Republican sides that the next hour, at least on our schedule, had been designated, that the Republican time would take half an hour and the Democratic side half an hour. If there is a different point of view on that side, perhaps that could be expressed. Otherwise, we would go forward. If there is not, then what I would like to do at this time is yield 5 minutes to the Senator from Idaho.
Mr. President, reserving the right to object. Mr. President, I say, through the Chair to the distinguished majority leader, we started at 6 o'clock, and he spoke for 22 minutes or something. We have…
Mr. President, reserving the right to object.
Mr. President, I say, through the Chair to the distinguished majority leader, we started at 6 o'clock, and he spoke for 22 minutes or something. We have not gone into executive session yet. I would ask consent that your time be counted in the first hour so that we do not get behind in the 30 hours.
Does the leader understand my request?
Yes, I understand.
I certainly understand.
Yes, he did. He did.
I object. Will the Senator yield for a question? I would like to ask the Senator from New York, of the individuals he has listed on his chart, isn't it true that all but Judge Fortas were ultimately…
I object.
Will the Senator yield for a question?
I would like to ask the Senator from New York, of the individuals he has listed on his chart, isn't it true that all but Judge Fortas were ultimately confirmed to the positions to which the President appointed them?
If I may----
Will the Senator yield?
Will the Senator yield----
Will the majority yield for a parliamentary inquiry? Isn't the sign across the aisle in violation of rule XVII? Mr. President, I am sorry to interfere, but that sign is clearly in violation of rule…
Will the majority yield for a parliamentary inquiry? Isn't the sign across the aisle in violation of rule XVII?
Mr. President, I am sorry to interfere, but that sign is clearly in violation of rule XVII and should be removed.
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[S. Res. 138 Reported in Senate (RS)]
Calendar No. 180
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. RES. 138
To amend rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate relating to the
consideration of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the
Senate.
_______________________________________________________________________
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
May 9, 2003
Mr. Frist (for himself, Mr. Miller, Mr. McConnell, Mr. Stevens, Mr.
Santorum, Mr. Kyl, Mrs. Hutchison, Mr. Allen, Mr. Lott, Mr. Hatch, Mr.
Cornyn, and Mr. Chambliss) submitted the following resolution; which
was referred to the Committee on Rules and Administration
June 26, 2003
Reported by Mr. Lott, without amendment
_______________________________________________________________________
RESOLUTION
To amend rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate relating to the
consideration of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the
Senate.
Resolved, That rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate is
amended--
(1) in paragraph (2), by striking ``Notwithstanding'' and
inserting ``Except as provided by paragraph 3 and
notwithstanding''; and
(2) by adding at the end the following:
``3. (a) The provisions of this paragraph shall apply to the
considerations of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the
Senate.
``(b)(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule IV or
any other rule of the Senate and after a nomination requiring the
advice and consent of the Senate has been pending before the Senate for
at least 12 hours, a motion signed by 16 Senators to bring to a close
the debate on that nomination may be presented to the Senate and the
Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer,
shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and 1 hour after the
Senate meets on the following calendar day but 1, he shall lay the
motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and
upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer
shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the
question: `Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be
brought to a close?'.
``(2) If the question in clause (1) is agreed to by three-fifths of
the Senators duly chosen and sworn then the nomination pending before
the Senate shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all
other business until disposed of.
``(3) After cloture is invoked, no Senator shall be entitled to
speak in all more than 1 hour on the nomination pending before the
Senate and it shall be the duty of the Presiding Officer to keep the
time of each Senator who speaks. No dilatory motion shall be in order.
Points of order and appeals from the decision of the Presiding Officer
shall be decided without debate.
``(4) After no more than 30 hours of consideration of the
nomination on which cloture has been invoked, the Senate shall proceed,
without any further debate on any question, to vote on the final
disposition thereof to the exclusion of all motions, except a motion to
table, or to reconsider and one quorum call on demand to establish the
presence of a quorum (and motions required to establish a quorum)
immediately before the final vote begins. The 30 hours may be increased
by the adoption of a motion, decided without debate, by a three-fifths
affirmative vote of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, and any such
time thus agreed upon shall be equally divided between and controlled
by the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. However, only
one motion to extend time, specified above, may be made in any 1
calendar day.
``(5) Notwithstanding other provisions of this rule, a Senator may
yield all or part of his 1 hour to the majority or minority floor
managers of the nomination or to the Majority or Minority Leader, but
each Senator specified shall not have more than 2 hours so yielded to
him and may in turn yield such time to other Senators.
``(6) Notwithstanding any other provision of this rule, any Senator
who has not used or yielded at least 10 minutes, is, if he seeks
recognition, guaranteed up to 10 minutes, inclusive, to speak only.
``(c)(1) If, upon a vote taken on a motion presented pursuant to
subparagraph (b), the Senate fails to invoke cloture with respect to a
nomination pending before the Senate, subsequent motions to bring
debate to a close may be made with respect to the same nomination. It
shall not be in order to file subsequent cloture motions on any
nomination, except by unanimous consent, until the previous motion has
been disposed of.
``(2) Such subsequent motions shall be made in the manner provided
by, and subject to the provisions of, subparagraph (b), except that the
affirmative vote required to bring to a close debate upon that
nomination shall be reduced by 3 votes on the second such motion, and
by 3 additional votes on each succeeding motion, until the affirmative
vote is reduced to a number equal to or less than an affirmative vote
of a majority of the Senators duly chosen and sworn. The required vote
shall then be a simple majority.''.
Calendar No. 180
108th CONGRESS
1st Session
S. RES. 138
_______________________________________________________________________
RESOLUTION
To amend rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate relating to the
consideration of nominations requiring the advice and consent of the
Senate.
_______________________________________________________________________
June 26, 2003
Reported without amendment