Providing for consideration of the bill (S. 256) to amend title 11 of the United States Code, and for other purposes.
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Introduced in House
April 13, 2005
The House Committee on Rules reported an original measure, H. Rept. 109-43, by Mr. Gingrey.
April 13, 2005
The rule waives all points of order against the bill and against its consideration.
April 13, 2005 • 5:32 PM
Placed on the House Calendar, Calendar No. 21.
April 13, 2005
Considered as privileged matter. (consideration: CR H1974-1986, H1988-1992)
April 14, 2005 • 10:27 AM
DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 211.
April 14, 2005 • 10:27 AM
DEBATE - Subsequently, the House resumed debate on H. Res. 211.
April 14, 2005 • 12:03 PM
On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 227 - 199 (Roll no. 104). (consideration: CR H1991)
April 14, 2005 • 12:47 PM
Passed/agreed to in House: On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by recorded vote: 227 - 196 (Roll no. 105).(text: CR H1974)
April 14, 2005 • 12:56 PM
On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by recorded vote: 227 - 196 (Roll no. 105). (text: CR H1974)
April 14, 2005 • 12:56 PM
Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection.
April 14, 2005 • 12:56 PM
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20 membersWhat members said about H.Res. 211 on the floor
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 211 and ask for its immediate consideration. Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30…
Mr. Speaker, by direction of the Committee on Rules, I call up House Resolution 211 and ask for its immediate consideration.
Mr. Speaker, for the purpose of debate only, I yield the customary 30 minutes to the gentleman from Florida (Mr. Hastings), pending which I yield myself such time as I may consume. During consideration of this resolution, all time yielded is for the purpose of debate only.
Mr. Speaker, this is a closed rule providing for consideration of S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.
The rule provides for 1 hour debate in the House, equally divided and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on the Judiciary. It waives all points of order against the bill and its consideration, and it provides for one motion to recommit with or without instructions.
General Leave
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks on H. Res. 211.
Mr. Speaker, bankruptcy reform is overdue for passage. Despite its critics, S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, does not exclude anyone from filing for bankruptcy. Instead, it implements a simple means test to shield debtors who make below their State's median income and to determine if a higher income debtor has the ability to partially pay back his or her creditors.
To phrase it simply, bankruptcy reform is financial accountability. It protects our system against fraud and abuse. And it asks those who have the means to repay as much of their debts as they can.
For at least four previous Congresses, members have been trying to reform our ``when in doubt, bail out society'' in favor of personal responsibility. Bankruptcy should not be a financial planning tool, and it should be available for legitimate emergency situations only. Our bankruptcy system should fit the needs of the individual, no more, no less. With this rule, and
passage of the underlying legislation, S. 256 we will finally see some movement in the right direction.
Bankruptcy reform is important to help speed up court hearings, because it only takes a few fraudulent or misdirected cases to stall a court for hundreds of other legitimate bankruptcy filings. Federal bankruptcy filings per judgeship have increased by 71 percent from 2,998 in 1992 to 5,130 in 2003; and it represents the largest case load in our Federal court system. This creates a backlog that slows down the process for those really in need of bankruptcy protection.
Bankruptcy reform provisions found in S. 256 include, but are not limited to: abuse prevention so debtors who have committed crimes of violence or engaged in drug trafficking are no longer able to use bankruptcy to hide their finances;
Needs-based credentials, where if a debtor has the ability to partially repay debts, he or she must either be channeled into a form of bankruptcy relief that requires repayment or risk having the bankruptcy case dismissed as an abusive filing;
Spousal and child support protections to help single parents and their children by closing a loophole used by some spouses currently avoiding their child support responsibilities. This would put child support and alimony payments as a first priority, ahead of credit card debt and attorney's fees. Child support and alimony payments are currently seventh in the priority list of payments;
Closing the mansion loophole require a debtor to live in a State for at least 2 years before he or she can claim that State's homestead exemption. The current requirement is 91 days, allowing some debtors to shield themselves from creditors by putting all of their equity into their homes;
Debtor protections requiring potential debtors to receive credit counseling before they can be eligible for bankruptcy relief, allowing them to make an informed choice about bankruptcy considering all alternatives and consequences;
Further, small business protections to defend against needless bankruptcy lawsuits. Under current law, a business can be sued by a bankruptcy trustee and forced to pay back monies previously paid by a firm that later files for bankruptcy protection;
Additionally, family farm relief by doubling debt eligibility for chapter 12 filing, allowing periodic inflation adjustment of this debt, and lowering the required percentage of a farmer's income that must be derived from farming operations.
There are business privacy protections to prohibit the disclosure of names of a debtor's minor children with privileged information kept in a nonpublic record. Current law allows nearly every item of information supplied by a debtor in connection with his or her bankruptcy case to be made available to the public.
S. 256 passed the Senate with a clear 74 to 25 majority. The House judiciary markup on March 16 included rollcall votes on 11 amendments. The reforms included in this legislation will be very beneficial to our society without ignoring the need of those suffering financial uncertainty. This legislation deserves a clean up-or-down vote. Mr. Speaker, I ask my colleagues to support this rule and pass S. 256 bankruptcy reform.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I want to point out, Mr. Speaker, to the gentleman from Florida that medical expenses are specifically covered in the bill, and all other extenuating circumstances are covered in section 102 of the bill allowing judicial latitude.
At this point, I would like to yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner), the distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
Mr. Speaker, I yield to myself such time as I may consume.
I want to thank the gentleman from Wisconsin, distinguished chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary, for bringing forth those statistics and that stack of documents that he just went over; and I want to add one more statistic to that, and this is that since the 105th Congress, the House and the Senate have passed bankruptcy reform legislation a dozen times, with a vote tally of 2,455 for and 871 against.
To my distinguished colleague from Florida, in regard to the amendment process in the Committee on Rules, my colleague knows that the other side was offered an amendment in the nature of a substitute. That substitute amendment could have included all 35 Democrats, who my colleagues allege were shut out. Every one of those 35 amendments could have been included in an amendment in the nature of a substitute; but apparently they just could not get their act together, did not have an amendment and passed on that opportunity.
In regard to the gentlewoman from California and the concerns about identity theft, opponents of the means test of the bankruptcy legislation have attempted to claim that a debtor should be except from the means test if the debt is related to identity theft. This is a red herring, Mr. Speaker, because consumers who are victims of identity theft do not owe the debts that result from identity theft; and, therefore, it is not an issue addressed by the bankruptcy court.
We all understand the sentiment of trying to help identity theft victims. Amendments related to identity theft, though, are not necessary. They would inadvertently do serious harm to consumers and create a significant potential for fraud and abuse. A consumer who is victimized when an identity thief establishes credit in the consumer's name is not liable for any of the debts incurred by the identity thief. The maximum amount I think is $50, and that is even waived by the credit card companies if it is proved to be fraudulent. Bankruptcy relief is, therefore, not necessary in regard to identity theft.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
In the 105th Congress, H.R. 3150, bankruptcy reform, passed 306-118.
In the 106th Congress, H.R. 8333 passed the House, 313-108.
In the 107th Congress, H.R. 333 passed the House 306-108.
In the 108th Congress, H.R. 975 passed the House 315-113.
The gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott) was not one of those voting in the affirmative on any of those occasions, but I want to point out to the gentleman in regard to his concern over medical and health- related expenses for a debtor, spouse, and dependents, on line 23, page 8, continuing through line 10 page 9, this covers the treatment of medical expenses for the debtor, spouse of the debtor, and dependents of the debtor. It expressly includes not just actual medical expenses but expenses for health insurances, disability insurance, and health savings accounts.
Mr. Speaker, put another way, contrary to misrepresentations by opponents, the needs-based test not only takes into account the full range of medical expenses by the debtors, but it also covers the spouse and dependents. This is just one of three provisions for a member of the household or immediate family. The provision includes for the monthly expense of the debtor, expenses incurred for the care and support of an elderly, chronically ill or disabled member of the debtor's immediate family. This includes parents, grandparents, siblings, children and grandchildren of the debtor, among others.
So medical in any situation, Mr. Speaker, medical or otherwise, no debtor is denied access to bankruptcy relief. All S. 256 says is that, in a limited range of cases, a debtor with meaningful capacity to repay may have to file in chapter 13 as opposed to chapter 7. In no case is a debtor denied access to the bankruptcy system.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield such time as he may consume to the gentleman from California (Mr. Dreier).
(Mr. DREIER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
In response to the gentlewoman from Texas, Mr. Speaker, a substitute amendment was offered in every other Congress that bankruptcy reform was considered. Every other Congress in which bankruptcy reform was considered, the minority submitted a substitute amendment. Why not now? I have asked that question several times, and I still have no answer.
In regard to health care expenses, and I am reading from a March 29, 2005, CRS report for Congress titled ``Treatment of Health Care Expenses under the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act'':
``Conclusion. Health care expenses will generally be considered in one of two contexts in a bankruptcy filing. Significant expenses incurred prior to the bankruptcy filing may be calculated as unsecured claims; if the debtor cannot afford to pay 25 percent of unsecured claims or $100 a month, the debtor may be eligible to file under chapter 7.
``Ongoing health care expenses and health insurance premiums may be deducted from the debtor's monthly income. Factoring in these expenses may also reduce the debtor's disposable income under the means test.''
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
The gentlewoman from California brought up the issue about bankruptcy reform harming veterans. In speaking to that, Senate 256 needs-based test includes several safeguards and exceptions for special circumstances, including those of veterans: a specific reference to a debtor who is subject to a call or ordered to active duty in the Armed Forces to the extent that such occurrences substantiate special circumstances.
S. 256 means test has a special exception just for debtors who are disabled veterans if the indebtedness occurred primarily during a period when the debtor was on active duty or performing a homeland security activity. The bill excuses a debtor if he or she is on active military duty in a military combat zone from the mandatory credit counseling and financial management training requirements.
I could go on and on, Mr. Speaker; but we are addressing, as we always have on this side of the aisle, the special needs of our great veterans of this country.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
In response to the gentlewoman, I have got a letter from the National Child Support Enforcement Association, February 8, 2005, that I will insert for printing in the Record.
Let me just read one paragraph, the first and most important:
``The National Child Support Enforcement Association is a membership organization representing the child support community--a workforce of over 63,000 child support professionals. For the past 5 years, it has strongly supported the enactment of bankruptcy reform because the treatment of child support and alimony under present bankruptcy law so desperately needs reform. We applaud your continuing efforts since the mid-1990s to reform the bankruptcy system and welcome your introduction of S. 256. The bankruptcy bill, S. 256, like the reform bills of the last three Congresses and the signed conference report of 2002, includes provisions crucial to the collection of child support during bankruptcy.''
National Child Support
Enforcement Association,
Washington, DC, Feb. 8, 2005.
Re: Child Support Provisions in S. 256
Hon. Chuck Grassley,
Hart Senate Office Building,
Washington, DC.
Dear Senator Grassley: The National Child Support
Enforcement Association is the membership organization
representing the child support community--a workforce of over
63,000 child support professionals. For the past 5 years it
has strongly supported the enactment of bankruptcy reform
because the treatment of child support and alimony under
present bankruptcy law so desperately needs reform. We
applaud your continuing efforts since the mid 1990s to reform
the bankruptcy system and welcome your introduction of S.
256. The Bankruptcy Bill, S. 256, like the reform bills of
the last three Congresses and the signed conference report of
2002, includes provisions crucial to the collection of child
support during bankruptcy.
With each day that passes under current law, countless
numbers of children of bankruptcy debtors are subject to
immediate interruption of their on-going support payments. In
addition, during the lengthy 3 to 5 years duration of
consumer bankruptcies as they happen every day under present
law, debtors often succeed in significantly delaying or even
avoiding repayment of child support and alimony arrearages
altogether. Hardest hit by these effects of current
bankruptcy law are former recipients of welfare who are owed
support arrears but are stuck waiting until the bankruptcy is
completed before such debts can be collected. Families who
are dependent on obtaining their share of marital property
for survival may now find under present bankruptcy law that
such debts are discharged. And, worst of all, under present
law significant collection tools used to require the payment
of current child support needed by the custodial parent to
feed and clothe children may be rendered ineffective after a
bankruptcy petition is filed. Today, a bankruptcy filing may
delay or halt the collection of support debts through the
federally mandated earnings withholding and tax refund
intercept programs, the license and passport revocation
procedures, and the credit reporting mandates.
S. 256 would provide these children with first priority in
the collection of support debts, allow the enforcement of
medical support obligations, prevent any interruption in the
otherwise efficient process of withholding earnings for
payment of child support, and insure that during the course
of a consumer bankruptcy all support owed to the family would
be paid, and paid timely. It will allow state court actions
involving custody and visitation, dissolution of marriage,
and domestic violence to proceed without interference from
bankruptcy court litigation.
We, therefore, urge the members of the Conference Committee
and the leadership of Congress to enact this important piece
of legislation with its long overdue bankruptcy reforms.
Sincerely,
Margot Bean,
President. National Child Support Enforcement Association
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Parliamentary Inquiries
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
In response to the gentleman from Illinois, the reform bill significantly limits two practices that some wealthy filers use to hide assets from bankrupt creditors. Under the current system, in States with unlimited homestead exemptions, debtors can shield the full value of their residencies from creditors. To discourage debtors from relocating to the State to hide assets prior to a bankruptcy filing, the legislation requires a 3-year residency before a debtor can take advantage of the State's full homestead exemption. Currently, that is 91 days.
In addition, the bill adds a specific provision that prevents filers from shielding funds in an asset protection trust when fraud is involved. In fact, these practices will continue unabated unless this legislation is passed.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, this bill hurts Americans. One group who will be especially hurt are family forced into bankruptcy because of a medical crisis. A recent study conducted by professors at Harvard Medical…
Mr. Speaker, this bill hurts Americans. One group who will be especially hurt are family forced into bankruptcy because of a medical crisis.
A recent study conducted by professors at Harvard Medical and Law School showed that about half of all personal bankruptcies can be attributed to medical costs.
Among those who cited illnesses as a cause of bankruptcy, the average unreimbursed medical costs totaled nearly $12,000 even though more than three-quarters had health insurance.
How does the bill hurt the families? Under the bill for the first time there will be a presumption that many of these families abuse the bankruptcy system. Under current law, people facing a medical bankruptcy can seek several forms of relief. Chapter 7 is by far the most common. Under 7 debtors are required to forfeit all of their property other than the exempt assets in exchange for having their debts extinguished.
Current law already gives bankruptcy courts discretion to deny chapter 7 relieve where the filing is found to be a substantial abuse. But unlike this bill, current law provides a presumption in favor of granting relief to the debtor.
The other option is chapter 13 where a debtor is required to continue paying creditors. This makes it more difficult for debtors to get back on their feet.
This bill will hurt families facing medical bankruptcy because it will force many of them into chapter 13. That is because it presumes that these families are abusing the bankruptcy system if they fail the means test. The means tests starts with a family's income and then subtracts monthly expenses permitted by IRS guidelines. But instead of using a debtor's actual projected income, the means tests uses the debtor's average income over the prior 6 months. Thus, if a family's bankruptcy was triggered by a loss of income resulting from a serious illness, the means test would still attribute the lost income for the purpose of determining whether the family is abusing the bankruptcy system.
Further, the means test uses the median income for a State. My constituents in Santa Clara County live in a
high-cost area. Almost nobody will be able to discharge their debts in bankruptcy from Santa Clara County because of that high cost, no matter how meritorious for their claim for relief.
Similarly, instead of using the debtor's actual expenses, the inflexible guidelines developed by the IRS is used. As a result, more families facing medical bankruptcy will be presumed to be abusing the system, will be forced into chapter 13 and will never be able to stand on their feet again. That is not right.
The Harvard study found that these struggling families did everything they could to pay their medical bills to avoid bankruptcy. One in five skipped meals. One-third had their electricity cut off. Almost half lost their phone service. One in five was forced to move.
Incredibly, they also cut back on needed medications to try to avoid bankruptcy. In fact, half went without needed prescriptions. And a full 60 percent went without a needed doctor appointment.
Please join me in opposing this unfair bill.
[From Market Watch]
Illness and Injury as Contributors to Bankruptcy
(By David U. Himmelstein, Elizabeth Warren, Deborah Thorne, and Steffie
Woolhandler)
ABSTRACT: In 2001, 1.458 million American families filed
for bankruptcy. To investigate medical contributors to
bankruptcy, we surveyed 1,771 personal bankruptcy filers in
five federal courts and subsequently completed in-depth
interviews with 931 of them. About half cited medical causes,
which indicates that 1.9-2.2 million Americans (filers plus
dependents) experienced medical bankruptcy. Among those whose
illnesses led to bankruptcy, out-of-pocket costs averaged
$11,854 since the start of illness; 75.7 percent had
insurance at the onset of illness. Medical debtors were 42
percent more likely than other debtors to experience lapses
in coverage. Even middle-class insured families often fall
prey to financial catastrophe when sick.
``If the debtor be insolvent to serve creditors, let his
body be cut in pieces on the third market day. It may be cut
into more or fewer pieces with impunity. Or, if his creditors
consent to it, let him be sold to foreigners beyond the
Tiber.''
--Twelve Tables, Table III, 6 (ca. 450 B.C.)
Our bankruptcy system works differently from that of
ancient Rome; creditors carve up the debtor's assets, not the
debtor. Even so, bankruptcy leaves painful problems in its
wake. It remains on credit reports for a decade, making
everything from car insurance to house payments more
expensive. Debtors' names are often published in the
newspaper, and the fact of their bankruptcy may show up
whenever someone tries to find them via the Internet.
Potential employers who run routine credit checks (a common
screening practice) will discover the bankruptcy, which can
lead to embarrassment or, worse, the lost chance for a much-
needed job.
Personal bankruptcy is common. Nearly 1.5 million couples
or individuals filed bankruptcy petitions in 2001, a 360
percent increase since 1980. Fragmentary data from the legal
literature suggest that illness and medical bills contribute
to bankruptcy. Most previous studies of medical bankruptcy,
however, have relied on court records--where medical debts
may be subsumed under credit card or mortgage debt--or on
responses to a single survey question. None has collected
detailed information on medical expenses, diagnoses, access
to care, work loss, or insurance coverage. Research has been
impeded both by the absence of a national repository for
bankruptcy filings and by debtors' reticence to discuss their
bankruptcy, in population-based surveys, only half of those
who have undergone bankruptcy admit to it.
The health policy literature is virtually silent on
bankruptcy, although a few studies have looked at
impoverishment attributable to illness. In his 1972 book,
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) gave an impressionistic account of
``sickness and bankruptcy.'' The likelihood of incurring high
out-of-pocket costs was incorporated into older estimates of
the number of underinsured Americans: twenty-nine million in
1987. About 16 percent of families now spend more than one-
twentieth of their income on health care. Among terminally
ill patients (most of them insured), 39 percent reported that
health care costs caused moderate or severe financial
problems. Medical debt is common among the poor, even those
with insurance, and interferes with access to care. At least
8 percent, and perhaps as many as 21 percent of American
families are contacted by collection agencies about medical
bills annually.
Our study provides the first extensive data on the medical
concomitants of bankruptcy, based on a survey of debtors in
bankruptcy courts. We address the following questions: (1)
Who files for bankruptcy? (2) How frequently do illness and
medical bills contribute to bankruptcy? (3) When medical
bills contribute, how large are they and for what services?
(4) Does inadequate health insurance play a role in
bankruptcy? (5) Does bankruptcy compromise access to care?
a brief primer on bankruptcy
``Bankrupt'' is not synonymous with ``broke.'' ``Bankrupt''
means filing a petition in a federal court asking for
protection from creditors via the bankruptcy laws. A single
petition may cover an individual or married couple. The
instant a debtor files for bankruptcy, the court assumes
legal control of the debtor's assets and halts all collection
efforts.
Shortly after the filing, a court-appointed trustee
convenes a meeting to inventory the debtor's assets and debts
and to determine which assets are exempt from seizure. States
may regulate these exemptions, which often include work
tools, clothes, Bibles, and some equity in a home.
About 70 percent of all consumer debtors file under Chapter
7 of the Bankruptcy Code; most others file under Chapter 13.
In Chapter 7 the trustee liquidates all nonexempt assets--
although 96 percent of debtors have so little unencumbered
property that there is nothing left to liquidate. At the
conclusion of the bankruptcy, the debtor is freed from many
debts. In Chapter 13 the debtor proposes a repayment plan,
which extends for up to five years. Chapter 13 debtors may
retain their property so long as they stay current with their
repayments.
Under both chapters, taxes, student loans, alimony, and
child support remain payable in full, and debtors must make
payments on all secured loans (such as home mortgages and car
loans) or forfeit the collateral.
study data and methods
This study is based on a cohort of 1,771 bankruptcy filings
in 2001. For each filing, a debtor completed a written
questionnaire at the mandatory meeting with the trustee, and
we abstracted financial data from public court records. In
addition, we conducted follow-up telephone interviews with
about half (931) of these debtors.
Sampling strategy. We used cluster sampling to assemble a
cohort to households filing for personal bankruptcy in five
(of the seventy-seven total) federal judicial districts. We
collected 250 questionnaires in each district, representative
of the proportion of Chapters 7 and 13 filings in that
district. These 1,250 cases constitute our ``core sample.''
For planned studies on housing, we collected identical data
from an additional 521 homeowners filing for bankruptcy. We
based our analyses on all 1,771 bankruptcies with responses
weighted to maintain the representativeness of the sample.
Data collection. With the cooperation of the judges in each
district, we contacted the trustees who officiate at meetings
with debtors. The trustees agreed to distribute, or to allow
a research assistant to distribute, a self-administered
questionnaire to debtors appearing at the bankruptcy meeting.
Questionnaires (which were available in English and Spanish)
included a cover letter explaining the research project and
human subjects protections and encouraging debtors to consult
their attorneys (who were almost always present) before
participating.
The questionnaire asked about demographics, employment,
housing, and specific reasons for filing for bankruptcy, it
also asked whether the debtor had medical debts exceeding
$1,000, had lost two or more weeks of work-related income
because of illness, or had health insurance coverage for
themselves and all dependents at the time of filing, and
whether there had been a gap of one month or more in that
coverage during the past two years. In joint filings, we
collected demographic information for each spouse.
During the spring and summer of 2001 we collected
questionnaires from consecutive debtors in each district
until the target number was reached.
Follow-up telephone interviews. The written questionnaire
distributed at the time of bankruptcy filing invited debtors
to participate in future telephone interviews, for which they
would receive $50; 70 percent agreed to such interviews. We
ultimately completed follow-up telephone interviews with 931
of the 1,771 debtor families, a response rate of 53 percent.
The telephone interviews, conducted between June 2001 and
February 2002 using a structured, computer-assisted protocol,
explored financial, housing, and medical issues. Many debtors
also provided a narrative description of their bankruptcy
experience.
Detailed medical questions. Each of the 931 interviewees
was asked if any of the following had been a significant
cause of their bankruptcy: an illness or injury; the death of
a family member; or the addition of a family member through
birth, adoption, custody, or fostering. Those who answered
yes to this screening question were queried about diagnoses,
health insurance during the illness, and medical care use and
spending. Interviewers collected information about each
household member with medical problems. In total, we
collected in-depth medical information on 391 people with
health problems in 332 debtor households.
Data analysis. We used data from the self-administered
questionnaires (and court records) obtained from all 1,771
filters to analyze demographics, health coverage at the time
of filing, and gaps in coverage in the two years before
filing.
We also used the questionnaire to estimate how frequently
illness and medical bills contributed to bankruptcy. We
developed two summary measures of medical bankruptcy. Under
the rubric ``Major Medical Bankruptcy'' we included debtors
who either (1) cited illness or injury as a specific reason
for bankruptcy, or (2) reported uncovered medical bills
exceeding $1,000 in the past years,
or (3) lost at least two weeks of work-related income because
of illness/injury, or (4) mortgaged a home to pay medical
bills. Our more inclusive category, ``Any Medical
Bankruptcy,'' included debtors who cited any of the above, or
addiction, or uncontrolled gambling, or birth, or the death
of a family member.
Data from the 931 follow-up telephone interviews were used
to analyze hardships experienced by debtors in the period
surrounding their bankruptcy, including problems gaining
access to medical care. The in-depth medical interviews
regarding 391 people with medical problems are the basis for
our analyses of which household members were ill, diagnoses,
health insurance at onset of illness, and out-of-pocket
spending. Two physicians (Himmelstein and Woolhandler) coded
the diagnoses given by debtors into categories for analysis.
SAS and SUDAAN were used for statistical analyses,
adjusting for complex sample design. To extrapolate our
findings nationally, we assumed that our sample was
representative of the 1,457,572 households filing for
bankruptcy during 2001. Human subject committees at Harvard
Law School and the Cambridge Hospital approved the project.
study findings
Who files for bankruptcy? Exhibit 1 displays the
demographic characteristics of our weighted sample of 1,771
bankruptcy filers. The average debtor was a forty-one-year-
old woman with children and at least some college education.
Most debtors owned homes; their occupational prestige scores
place them predominantly in the middle or working classes.
On average, each bankruptcy involved 1.32 debtors
(reflecting some joint filings by married couples) and 1.33
dependents. Extrapolating from our data, the 1.5 million
personal bankruptcy filings nationally in 2001 involved 3.9
million people: 1.9 million debtors, 1.3 million children
under age eighteen, and 0.7 million other dependents.
Medical causes of bankruptcy. Exhibit 2 shows the
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) for yielding me the time. Before yielding myself such time as I may consume, I yield to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr.…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) for yielding me the time.
Before yielding myself such time as I may consume, I yield to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. Stark) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. STARK asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to oppose this closed rule and S. 256. Once again, the majority has squelched debate on a controversial piece of legislation for no legitimate reason.
More than 35 Democratic amendments were offered in the Rules Committee yesterday. Yet none have been made in order. Why? There is no reason for limiting the debate in this manner.
The House came into session on Tuesday and Members will leave town later this afternoon after just 2 days of work. Even more, there was only one other bill of substance before the House this week. The time to debate this bill and its offered amendments is available. The willingness to conduct meaningful business, however, is the missing ingredient. A 1-hour debate on legislation containing such sweeping reforms is not the way to conduct the people's business.
The argument will be made that this has been 9 years in the making. But a lot of this measure has been overcome by time, and that will be discussed by others later.
I am particularly disappointed that an amendment I offered is not being allowed to come before this body for consideration. My amendment seeks to prevent the very bankruptcies that are
causing this Congress so much consternation and is germane to the discussion. It requires credit card companies to preserve a customer's interest rate prior to incurring medical expenses if the customer is unable to pay off the full medical expenses on time. It also prohibits hospitals from reporting delinquent patients for 5 years, provided that the patient is paying 20 percent of his or her monthly mandated medical expenses.
All the information we have available suggests that medical bills are the second leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the United States. It is, in my opinion, hypocritical to prevent debate on an amendment that could ameliorate some of the issues facing this bankruptcy reform legislation. Is not the whole point of this bill to make bankruptcy less frequent? If Members of Congress have ideas about how to accomplish that, should they not be heard?
Many other Members sought to introduce amendments, but have also been denied their opportunity to be heard. These amendments could have improved this legislation.
For example, the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott) offered an amendment to exempt from the means test provision of debtors who have business losses incurred by a spouse who has died or deserted the debtor.
The gentleman from California (Mr. Filner) offered an amendment that would exempt victims of identity theft. And the ranking member of the Rules Committee, the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Slaughter), offered an amendment that imposes restrictions on issuing credit cards to college students. But none of those amendments, or the 31 others, will be debated today because the rule on this bill is closed.
At this point, Mr. Speaker, I will insert a list of all 35 amendments which the Republican majority has blocked from being considered in the Congressional Record.
Amendments Submitted to the Rules Committee for S. 256 and Denied
Consideration by the Rule (H. Res. 211)
1) Emanuel/Delahunt/Dingell--prevents debtors from
shielding their funds from bankruptcy liquidation through so-
called ``asset protection trusts;''
2) Filner--exempts disabled veterans from the bill's means
test;
3) Filner--exempts from the bill's means test consumers who
are victimized by identity theft;
4) Inslee--exempts from the bill's means test consumers
whose debts are the result of serious medical problems;
5) Delahunt--requires debtor corporations to file for
bankruptcy where their principal place of business is
located;
6) Sanders--establishes a ``usury rate'' for credit card
companies, above which credit card companies cannot charge
consumers;
7) Sanders--caps fees credit card companies can impose on
consumers at $15;
8) Sanders--prohibits credit card companies from changing
interest rates based on changes in consumers' credit
information;
9) Sanders--prohibits credit card companies from raising
interest rates based on consumer credit reports;
10) Ruppersberger--requires credit card solicitations to be
accompanied by a brochure explaining the consequences of the
irresponsible use of credit;
11) Schiff--exempts from the bill's means test consumers
who are victimized by identity theft, if at least 51% of the
creditor claims against them are due to identity theft;
12) Lofgren--exempts from the bill's means test 1) families
facing bankruptcy due to a serious medical hardship that
drains at least 50% of their yearly income, and 2) families
who lose at least one month of needed pay or alimony due to
illness;
13) Lofgren--exempt from the bill's means test a single
parent who failed to receive child or spousal support
totaling more than 50% of her or his household income;
14) Scott (VA)--exempts from the bill's means test
provisions: 1) debtors who have business losses incurred by a
spouse who has died or deserted the debtor 2) debtors who
have had serious illness in their family and 3) debtors who
have been laid off;
15) Scott (VA)--exempts from the bill's means test
provisions debtors who have business losses incurred by a
spouse who has died or deserted the debtor;
16) Scott (VA)--exempts from the bill's means test
provisions debtors who have had serious illness in their
family;
17) Scott (VA)--exempts from the bill's means test
provisions debtors who have been laid off from their jobs
through no fault of their own;
18) Nadler--sunsets the bill after 2 years;
19) Watt--prohibits annual credit card rates higher than
75%;
20) Watt--includes the costs of college in the calculation
of debtor's monthly expense;
21) Ruppersberger--exempts from the bill's means test
debtors who have declared bankruptcy due to high medical
expenses;
22) Hastings (FL)--prevents credit card companies from
increasing rates on consumers who use their credit cards to
pay for extraordinary medical expenses; also prevents
hospitals from generating negative credit information on
consumers who are paying their bills in good faith;
23) Meehan--Exempts from the means test disabled veterans
whose indebtedness occurred primarily as a result of an
injury or disability resulting from active duty or homeland
defense activities; closes a loophole in S. 256, which
exempts only disabled veterans whose indebtedness occurs
primarily while on active duty while failing to exempt
disabled veterans whose indebtedness occurs after they have
left active duty;
24) Jackson Lee--makes debts arising out of state sex
offenses non-dischargeable in bankruptcy proceedings;
25) Jackson Lee--clarifies Congress' intent that nuclear
liabilities be covered by the Price-Anderson Act, and not by
bankruptcy laws;
26) Jackson Lee--makes debts arising out of penalties
imposed on businesses for false tobacco claims non-
dischargeable;
27) Jackson Lee--strikes the bill's means test provision;
28) Woolsey--requires credit counseling agencies to provide
free services to recent veterans of the military who served
in combat zones;
29) Slaughter--requires credit card companies to determine,
before they approve a credit card, whether a student
applicant has the financial means to pay off a credit card
balance; it restricts the credit limit to minimum balances if
the student has no independent income; and it requires
parental approval for credit limit increases in the event
that a parent cosigns the account;
30) Slaughter--applies the highest median income of any
county or Metropolitan Statistical Area in the state to all
residents of the state petitioning for bankruptcy protection;
31) Millender-McDonald--provides the bankruptcy courts a
higher percentage of the fees collected when a debtor files
for bankruptcy;
32) Maloney--ensures that debtors emerging from bankruptcy
make child credit payments first, before payments on credit
card debt. The current version of the bill does not ensure
that child support payments will have priority over the other
types of unsecured debts, such as credit card debt;
33) Meehan and Berman--provides a modest homestead
exemption for people who have suffered a major illness or
injury;
34) Jackson Lee--provides additional protections to debtors
who are the victims of identity theft;
35) Jackson Lee--increases the means test limit on
parochial school tuition expenses from $1,500 to $3,000, so
that families Chapter 13 bankruptcy can keep their children
in schools that conform to their deeply held religious
beliefs.
Mr. Speaker, the House has adopted a new modus operandi. We saw it earlier this year with the class action bill, and we are seeing it again today.
It seems that if the Republican leadership deems legislation important, and that is their prerogative, it is willing to push through the other body's version without the opportunity for debate here in the people's House on any amendments. This new method does a great disservice to the people of this Nation. Even more, it stops Members, Democrats and Republican, from serving as thoughtful, effective legislators.
The House of Representatives is the people's House. The Founding Fathers envisioned a forum for lively debate on the issues of the day, not the controlled steering of selected legislation with no opportunity for meaningful change.
What also concerns me is the unworkable means test contained in this legislation. I am greatly disturbed, as I know all the residents of south Florida will be, that this means test includes disaster assistance as a source of revenue.
People forced into dire financial circumstances through natural disasters should find bankruptcy a source of relief. Considering disaster assistance as a source of revenue adds insult to injury and contradicts the government's efforts to help people get back on their feet.
This legislation, masquerading as protection against bankruptcy abuse, is really a protection for credit card companies and their predatory lending practices. This legislation does not protect the American people. This legislation protects the credit industry at the expense of the American people.
Increasingly, credit card companies market their product to riskier consumers, and now they want the Congress to protect them from the losses that are the foreseeable result of this ill-sighted business strategy. Why are we not debating legislation that would address those practices, instead of eviscerating a crucial safety net that Americans rely on when all else fails?
Mr. Speaker, should it pass, this bill will severely curtail the ability of Americans to obtain relief from bankruptcy without solving any of its underlying causes. Medical bills, unemployment, and predatory lending practices are at the root of this problem. In the long run, the net effect of this legislation will drive more Americans deeper into financial crisis and weaken our social structure and the Nation's economy.
I will not, and cannot, support such an attack on American consumers. I urge my colleagues to vote ``no'' on this closed rule and ``no'' on
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
My respect for the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary is immense, and he has thrust all of these hearings and all that were in committee where 40 Members of the Committee on the Judiciary had an opportunity to participate.
What we are talking about is today, 35 Members of the House of Representatives, 35 amendments are not being permitted today. So I guess the 40-plus people are the ones who are representing the near 395, 40-plus none for the American people. That would be what I would put on the table from the minority side.
Mr. Speaker, I am delighted to yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Matsui), our newcomer, who is making her first statement as a Committee on Rules member.
(Ms. MATSUI asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume before yielding to the distinguished ranking member to respond to my colleague from Georgia by indicating, the last time I looked at the rules, it allowed that individual Members have a right to make amendments, and we are not required to offer a substitute.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Slaughter), my good friend.
(Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks, and include extraneous material.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Delahunt).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to my good friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Waters).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 1 minute to my friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Lee).
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2 minutes to my good friend, the gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Maloney).
(Mrs. MALONEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 5 seconds to the gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Maloney) for the purpose of making a unanimous consent request.
Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. What was the objection about?
Mr. Speaker, further parliamentary inquiry, what is the ruling of the Chair?
Further parliamentary inquiry, so the gentlewoman from New York's request to put in the Record the material?
Mr. Speaker, there is objection to a Member's placing in the Record, a Member who had made a statement supporting the things that she asked to be submitted, that is being denied?
Mr. Speaker, with the Speaker's permission, I ask unanimous consent that the extraneous material offered by the gentlewoman from New York (Mrs. Maloney) be made a part of the Record following her remarks.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 minute to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Emanuel).
Mr. Speaker, I yield for the purposes of making a privileged motion to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey).
Mr. Speaker, I think it is important as we debate this question that the opponents of this bill not be defined or classified as opposing responsibility and opposing the responsibility of being a good…
Mr. Speaker, I think it is important as we debate this question that the opponents of this bill not be defined or classified as opposing responsibility and opposing the responsibility of being a good citizen and adhering to the debt that you accrue. I think that is a wrong-headed definition of the opponents.
We have been described as non-patriot in other debates; in war and peace, scoundrels and socialists. But I think it is important for the American people to understand that we are engaging in a democratic process to be able to allow a voice of opposition to be heard for a tainted, stale and stagnant piece of legislation that has been bought and paid for by special interests.
Our desire is to possibly encourage our colleagues in the House to take a serious and deliberative review of S. 256.
Now, we have heard already that we were refused and denied amendments and one would ask the question why. If we are a deliberative body, why not make a bill that is as dated almost as the Gulf War, not the Iraq war, to make it better.
Now, I hear my colleagues talking about $400 that will go to each household. What a misnomer. Someone said that there was a tax refund a couple of years ago, $350, $400. I can tell you that the constituents in the 18th Congressional District never saw that money. I would like to suggest to you that really what is happening is what Professor Elizabeth Warren has said, that this is an overreaching problem, the overreaching problem with this bill this time is that the American economy has passed it by.
We are in the depth almost of a deficit that is about to stagnate and stifle us. This bill will close the door to working and middle class persons. Since this bill was written, Mr. Speaker, Enron, WorldCom, Adelphia, United Airlines, LTV Steel, M-Mart, Polaroid, Global Crossing have filed bankruptcy and they did not have to use a means test.
So let me suggest to you as I look at the medical conditions, I would ask my colleagues on the other side of the aisle does their stale old bill, this stack of old papers respond to the medical causes of bankruptcy that shows that because there is death in the family, illness or injury, people who go try to repay their bills and they fall into bankruptcy and this old stale 1998 bill does not respond to that.
My next question, Mr. Speaker, is whether or not this old stale bill deals with the military, the military who is in Iraq right now, does this old stale bill deal with it? Does the old stale bill deal with the loan sharks. That is a travesty and should be defeated.
Testimony of Elizabeth Warren Before the Senate Committee on the
Judiciary
My name is Elizabeth Warren. I teach bankruptcy law. As
some of you know, I have followed this issue with interest
for some time.
The overarching problem with this bill is that time and the
American economy have passed it by. It was drafted--never
mind by whom--eight years ago. Even if it had been a flawless
piece of legislation then, and it surely was not, the events
of the past eight years have dramatically changed the
economic and social environment in which you must consider
this bill.
In the eight years since this bill was introduced, new
cases have burst on the scene. The names are burned in our
collective memories: Enron, Worldcom, Adelphia, United
Airlines, USAirways and TWA, LTV Steel, K-Mart, Polaroid,
Global Crossing.
While the actual number of consumer bankruptcy cases has
declined slightly in the past year, many of the largest
corporate bankruptcy cases in American history have occurred
since the Senate last reevaluated the bankruptcy laws, and
some of those cases are already legend for the corporate
scandals that accompanied them. Because it was written eight
years ago, this bill has nothing to deal with these abuses,
with these dangers, with the needs that these cases have made
so painfully clear.
Problems not even on the horizon when this bill was written
are now front and center.
Companies in Chapter 11 that cancel pension plans and
health benefits, leaving thousands of families economically
devastated.
Companies that continue to pay executives and insiders tens
of millions of dollars, while they demand concessions from
their creditors.
Military families targeted for payday loans at 400%
interest, insurance scams, and other forms of financial
chicanery.
Scandals have rocked the so-called non-profit credit
counseling industry, exposing how tens of thousands of
consumers struggling desperately to pay their bills and not
file for bankruptcy were cheated.
Sub-prime mortgage companies, financed by some of the best
names in American banking, have unlawfully taken millions of
dollars from homeowners, then fled to the bankruptcy courts
to protect their insiders and bank lenders.
In the eight years since this bill was introduced, there
has been a revolution in the data available to us. Unlike
eight years ago, we need not have a theoretical debate about
who turns to the bankruptcy system. We now know:
One million men and women each year are turning to
bankruptcy in the aftermath of a serious medical problem--and
three-quarters of them have health Insurance.
A family with children is nearly three times more likely to
file for bankruptcy than an individual or couple with no
children.
More children now live through their parents' bankruptcy
than through their parents' divorce.
Unlike eight years ago, we need not have a theoretical
debate about the homestead exemption because we have had
example after example of abuse tied directly to the failure
of American companies. Millions of jobs have been lost but
not the Florida and Texas fortunes of their corporate
executives. Others are welcome to use the unlimited homestead
exemption as well.
After he lost a $33 million lawsuit in California, O.J.
Simpson moved to Florida, explaining to a reporter that the
unlimited exemption would permit him to protect a
multimillion-dollar house.
Abe Grossman ran up $233 million in debts in Massachusetts
and Rhode Island, then fled to Florida to purchase a 64,000
square foot home valued at $55 million.
Some physicians are reportedly dropping their malpractice
insurance and putting all their assets in their homes--where
they can't be touched by bankruptcy.
Under S. 256, they would still be welcome to file for
bankruptcy and to keep their fortunes and properties intact
while leaving their creditors with nothing.
Unlike eight years ago, we need not have a theoretical
debate about the effects of the proposed legislation on small
business.
It takes time to negotiate a reorganization, even for a
small company. The time-lines in S. 256 would have denied
reorganization to more than a third of the small businesses
that eventually saved themselves--destroying value for the
companies, their creditors, their employees and their
communities.
This bill would be the first in American history to
discriminate affirmatively against small businesses. For the
first time ever, Congress would pass a law that says
companies like Enron and Worldcom don't have to file extra
forms, Enron and Worldcom don't have to schedule meetings
with the Office of the United States Trustee, and Enron
and Worldcom don't have to meet fixed deadlines that a
judge cannot waive for any reason--but every troubled
small business in the Chapter 11 system would have to file
those papers, undergo that supervision and meet those
deadlines or be liquidated. No exceptions allowed for
small companies.
Unlike eight years ago, we need not have a theoretical
debate about the economic impact of bankruptcies on credit
card company profits.
In the eight years since this bill was introduced, credit
has not been curtailed. Minors--under 18 years of age--with
no incomes and no credit history are now described as an
``emerging market'' for the credit industry. Credit card
solicitations have doubled to 5 billion a year. Bankruptcy
filings have increased 17 percent, while credit card profits
have increased 163 percent, from $11.5 billion to $30.2
billion.
Some courts have demanded that credit card companies
disclose how much of their claims are the amounts actually
borrowed and how much are fees, penalties and interest.
Companies have admitted that for every
dollar they claim the customer borrowed, they are demanding
two more dollars in fees and interest.
With increased fees and universal default clauses that
drive up interest rates even for customers paying on time, a
growing number of people have no option but to declare
bankruptcy. Cases continue to surface like In re McCarthy, in
which a woman borrowed $2200, paid back $2010 in the two
years before bankruptcy, and was told by her credit card
company that she still owed $2600 more. Ms. McCarthy had two
choices: She could either declare bankruptcy or she could pay
$2000 every year for life--and die owing as much as she owes
today.
The means test in this bill, Section 102, has been one of
its most controversial provisions. Proponents like to say
that the means test will put pressure only on the families
that can afford to repay. And yet, the bill has 217 sections
that run for 239 pages. The means test aside, virtually every
consumer provision aims in the same direction. The bill
increases the cost of bankruptcy protection for every family,
regardless of income or the cause of financial crisis, and it
decreases the protection of bankruptcy for every family,
regardless of income or the cause of financial crisis.
There are provisions that will make Chapter 13 impossible
for many of the debtors who would file today, provisions that
make it easier than ever to abuse the unlimited homestead
provisions in some states and yet at the same time hurt
people with more modest homesteads in those same states.
Other provisions will compromise the privacy of millions of
families by putting their entire tax returns in the court
files and potentially on the Internet, making them easy prey
for identity thieves. Women trying to collect alimony or
child support will more often be forced to compete with
credit card companies that can have more of their debts
declared non-dischargeable. All these provisions apply
whether a person earns $20,000 a year or $200,000 a year.
But the means test as written has another, more basic
problem: It treats all families alike. It assumes that
everyone is in bankruptcy for the same reason--too much
unnecessary spending. A family driven to bankruptcy by the
increased costs of caring for an elderly parent with
Alzheimer's disease is treated the same as someone who maxed
out his credit cards at a casino. A person who had a heart
attack is treated the same as someone who had a spending
spree at the shopping mall. A mother who works two jobs and
who cannot manage the prescription drugs needed for a child
with diabetes is treated the same as someone who charged a
bunch of credit cards with only a vague intent to repay. A
person cheated by a sub-prime mortgage lender and lied to by
a credit counseling agency is treated the same as a person
who gamed the system in every possible way.
If Congress is determined to sort the good debtors from the
bad, then it is both morally and economically imperative that
they distinguish those who have worked hard and played by the
rules from those who have shirked their responsibilities. If
Congress is determined to sort the good from the bad, then
begin by sorting those who have been laid low by medical
debts, those who lost their jobs, those whose breadwinners
have been called to active duty and sent to Iraq, those who
are caring for elderly parents and sick children from those
few who overspend on frivolous purchases.
This Congress wants to set a new moral tone. Do it with the
bankruptcy bill. Don't press ``one-size-fits-all-and-they-
are-all-bad'' judgments on the very good and the very bad.
Spend the time to make the hard decisions. Leave discretion
with the bankruptcy judges to evaluate these families. Based
on the Harvard medical study and other research, I think you
will find that most debtors are filing for bankruptcy not
because they had too many Rolex watches and Gameboys, but
because they had no choice.
You have a choice. It's a choice that you're making for the
American people. Adopt new bankruptcy legislation. Establish
a means test that targets abuse. But do not enact a proposal
written to address myth and mirage more than reality. Do not
enact a proposal written for 1997 when the problems of the
American corporate economy in 1997 deserve far more attention
and the problems of the American middle class can no longer
be ignored.
Overwhelmingly, American families file for bankruptcy
because they have been driven there--largely by medical and
economic catastrophe--not because they want to go there. Your
legislation should respect that harsh reality and the
families who face it.
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of Senate bill 256 and urge its adoption by the House. Whether or not we have a cost of $400 per household or some other cost, I think it is clear to all Americans that…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of Senate bill 256 and urge its adoption by the House.
Whether or not we have a cost of $400 per household or some other cost, I think it is clear to all Americans that we pay a cost if we have excessive bankruptcies in America. What we are looking for here is workable markets where consumers have the opportunity to borrow money at the lowest cost. Hopefully, they are not above 18 percent; certainly not at 75 percent. The market does a remarkable job for that purpose.
For more than 7 years now, almost as long as I have been in Congress, we have struggled with the rising tide of bankruptcy abuse which threatens the delicate balance in this country between creditors and debtors. As this reform measure has developed, slowly, inexorably, we have dealt with each issue: framing, debating, considering, and ultimately resolving each controversy. Progressive Congresses have moved toward ultimate resolution, until finally today the House has been presented with a bill that it can send directly to the President for signature.
As chairman of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law, I take considerable satisfaction that, through collective effort, we would be able to achieve what many said would never happen. We have crafted fair and balanced legislation dealing in a straightforward manner with a problem that has vexed the Nation for the past decade and threatens economic growth and stability. By the way, the Bankruptcy Act has not been amended for 25 years in a serious way.
The American people will truly be well served by this effort. This bill is a rare achievement of reducing disparity in the bankruptcy system. It establishes more uniform and predictable standards. It strengthens the integrity of the bankruptcy process. It deals with the continuing wave of bankruptcy filings and abuse of State homestead exemptions. It will reinforce the public perception that the system is fair for all participants. It improves the administration of the bankruptcy process. And, finally, it restores a measure of personal responsibility to the bankruptcy system that is spiraling out of control.
Mr. Speaker, my constituents need this legislation, and America needs this legislation, and I urge support today for S. 256.
I would also note that the need for additional bankruptcy judgeships may need to be considered to reflect the numbers submitted by the Judicial Conference's most recent report. Additional judgeships are sorely needed in a number of districts across the country, including my State of Utah. I was heartened by the assurance of the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary during the markup of Senate 256 that this matter will be considered later this year. In that regard, I would like to thank the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Kingston) who has worked tirelessly on the issue of expanding the number of bankruptcy judges we have to meet this need.
Mr. Speaker, at this point I will place additional information on the bill in the Record.
During the course of the Senate Judiciary Committee's consideration of S. 256, a provision was added to deal with excessive retention bonuses, severance payments and other forms of inducements paid by a debtor to retain key personnel or otherwise induce a debtor's management to remain with the debtor.
This provision addresses serious conserns and I support the intent of its drafters. Nevertheless, this provision should not be construed to invalidate all key employee retention programs for companies that may someday wind up in Chapter 11. It is very important that a Chapter 11 debtor be able to retain management that is dedicated to maintaining the company's value for the benefit of its creditors, investors, employees, and other stakeholders. All too often, companies that fail to reorganize successfully are converted to Chapter 7 for liquidation, where creditors receive pennies on the dollar and employees face job dislocation.
Where appropriate, key employee retention programs may be necessary to bring a company in financial distress successfully through the Chapter 11 process. Accordingly, section 331 of S. 256 should not be applied to invalidate such programs where there is no evidence of insider negligence, mismanagement, or fraudulent conduct contributed to a company's insolvency--in whole or in part.
Given the possibility that the intent of the Congress with respect to this provision and the interpretation of Section 331's text may not be consistent, legislation clarifying language may be necessary. If so, I will work with my colleagues in the House and Senate to address any such inconsistencies.
I ask that a letter from the Association of Insolvency and Restructuring Advisors be printed at this point in the Record.
Association of Insolvency,
and Restructuring Advisors,
Medford, OR, March 1, 2005.
Senator Arlen Specter,
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary, U.S. Senate,
Washington, DC.
Dear Mr. Chairman: The undersigned are financial and legal
professionals who serve as the Board of Directors of the
Association of Insolvency and Restructuring Advisors (AIRA).
As board members we work to further the AIRA's goal of
increasing industry awareness of the organization as an
important educational and technical resource for
professionals in business turnaround, restructuring, and
bankruptcy practice, and of the Certified Insolvency and
Restructuring Advisor (CIRA) designation as an assurance of
expertise in this area.
We write to make you aware of serious concerns we have
regarding a provision contained in S. 256, the ``Bankruptcy
Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.'' The
provision in question effectively prohibits the use of key
employee retention plans in Chapter 11 reorganizations. It
was added during the Judiciary Committee mark-up of the bill
and elicited little attention at the time. However, we
believe this provision will cause considerable harm to a
number of companies that will become subject to bankruptcy
proceedings, and, most importantly, to their employees,
customers, and creditors.
When a company is operating in Chapter 11, a primary
responsibility of management is to maintain and grow the
company's value for the benefit of all of its stakeholders. A
company that is well-managed through its restructuring
benefits its creditors, employees, retirees, unions and the
local communities of which the company is a part. Companies
that fail to successfully reorganize in Chapter 11 are
liquidated. Creditors receive pennies on the dollar and
employees see their jobs and retirement savings destroyed.
When companies enter Chapter 11, it is critical that they
attract and retain top management talent. But Chapter 11 is
also the most difficult time to attract and retain such
talent. Managers of Chapter 11 companies are faced with
intense scrutiny, stress, insecurity, and an enormously
complex process. Compensation and incentive tools used by
non-bankrupt companies such as equity compensation programs
are not available to assist with attracting and retaining the
type of management talent necessary to bring the company
successfully through the Chapter 11 process--this is because
the pre-petition equity is almost always without value. Key
employee retention plans (``KERPs'') have become common
practice since the early 1990's and have been viewed by
courts, debtors, and creditors alike as an important and
useful way to help reorganization by retaining key employees.
Bankruptcy courts have agreed with this reasoning, and many
judges have used their judicial discretion to approve KERPs.
For a court to approve a KERP under existing law, however, a
debtor must use proper business judgment in formulating the
program, and the court must find the program to be reasonable
and fair. Creditors have the right to object to proposed
KERPs, and judges are presented with a full evidentiary
record upon which to make a determination. If a KERP is
not appropriate or if it is not in the best interest of
the company's creditors, the judge can refuse to approve
it.
In the last few years, there has been a trend, with which
we agree, towards stricter judicial scrutiny of proposed
KERPs by bankruptcy judges. Such a trend seems appropriate in
the wake of numerous high profile bankruptcy filings where
management's misconduct or mismanagement has led to the
Chapter 11 filing. Judges have discretion to deny KERPs in
these circumstances, and they do so when the facts and
circumstances warrant.
Unfortunately, S. 256 as reported by the Senate Judiciary
Committee includes an amendment authored by Senator Edward M.
Kennedy (the Kennedy amendment) that places significant
limits on retention bonuses and severance payments to
employees of companies in Chapter 11. It would prohibit a
bankruptcy judge from approving retention bonuses in every
Chapter 11 case unless he or she finds that the company in
question has proven that the employee has a bona fide job
offer at the same or greater rate of compensation; was
prepared to accept the job offer; and the services of that
employee are ``essential to the survival of the business.''
The amendment also places significant caps on the amount of
such bonus and payments.
The Kennedy amendment appears to be motivated by a desire
to combat KERPs in Chapter 11 cases where employee-related
fraud substantially contributed to the bankruptcy of the
company. Yet, by painting with such a broad brush, the
Kennedy amendment will, if enacted, effectively eliminate all
companies' ability to ever receive court approval for a KERP.
Federal bankruptcy judges would have little or no discretion
to approve KERPs. In turn, bankrupt companies would have less
flexibility in trying to retain or attract necessary
employees. This result will cause considerable harm to
companies in bankruptcy, their employees, and their
creditors.
It is apparent that the Kennedy amendment is designed to
prevent abuses of the system, where creditors', employees'
and retirees' monies are unnecessarily expended for the
enrichment of management. Whether there currently is or is
not sufficient judicial scrutiny of KERPs is a valid
question, insofar as the overall bankruptcy system allows
debtors a fair amount of flexibility in exercising reasonable
judgment--but there must be an approach better than
handcuffing the judiciary and stakeholders in bankruptcy
cases by essentially precluding all use KERPs. The proper use
of KERPs requires an analysis of all facts and circumstances
of the case, and not what is essentially a blanket
proscription of these tools.
Senator Kennedy has advanced an important public policy
discussion with his amendment. Managers who have had
responsibility for driving a company into bankruptcy should
not be paid a bonus to remain. Similarly, if the retention of
an employee would not enhance a company's value for its
stakeholders, they should not be paid a bonus to stay.
Current law provides bankruptcy judges with the discretion
necessary to deny a KERP in such circumstances and bankruptcy
judges do deny KERP payments in these circumstances. Still,
if the Congress wishes to improve the operation of current
law while still safeguarding the ability of the courts to
approve legitimate KERPs, we would welcome a discussion on
how best to achieve that end. Unfortunately, S. 256, as
reported by the Committee, goes too far and should be amended
so as not to unnecessarily limit the bankruptcy court's
ability to determine what is in the best interest of each
individual bankruptcy estate.
Mr. Chairman, we thank you for considering our views on
this important matter. We would be pleased to address any
questions you or other members of the Committee on the
Judiciary may have.
Sincerely,
The members of the board and management of the Association
of Insolvency and Restructuring Advisors.
Soneet R. Kapila, CIRA, Kapila & Company; President, AIRA.
James M. Lukenda, CIRA, Huron Consulting Group; Chairman,
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 211, I call up the Senate bill (S. 256) to amend title 11 of the United States Code, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate consideration in the…
Mr. Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 211, I call up the Senate bill (S. 256) to amend title 11 of the United States Code, and for other purposes, and ask for its immediate consideration in the House.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members may have 5 legislative days within which to revise and extend their remarks and include extraneous material on S. 256.
Mr. Speaker, I yield by myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005. This legislation consists of a comprehensive package of reform measures pertaining to consumer and business bankruptcy cases. The current system has created a set of incentives that encourage opportunistic personal filings and the abuse of a bankruptcy system originally intended to strike a delicate balance between debtor and creditor rights. These abuses ultimately hurt debtors as well as creditors, consumers as well as businesses, suppliers as well as purchasers. The only winners in the current bankruptcy system are those who game the system for personal gain.
S. 256 restores personal responsibility and integrity to the bankruptcy system and ensures that the system is fair
to both debtors and creditors. This legislation represents the most comprehensive reform of the bankruptcy system in more than 25 years.
As many of us know, bankruptcy reform has been subject to exhaustive congressional review for more than a decade, beginning with the establishment of a National Bankruptcy Review Commission in 1994. It is important to note that over the course of the last four Congresses, the House has passed bankruptcy reform on eight separate occasions by overwhelming and bipartisan margins.
This bill will help stop fraudulent, abusive, and opportunistic bankruptcy claims by closing various loopholes and incentives that have produced steadily cascading claims.
Central to these reforms is a merit-based test that reflects the commonsense proposition that those who are capable of repaying their debts after seeking bankruptcy relief must actually repay their debts. S. 256 will also give the courts greater powers to dismiss abusive bankruptcy cases and to punish attorneys who encourage their clients to file such claims. In addition, the bill prevents violent criminals or drug traffickers from using bankruptcy relief to evade their creditors.
The bill closes the ``millionaire's mansion'' loophole in the current bankruptcy code that permits corporate criminals to shield their multi- million dollar homesteads from deserving creditors. Of critical importance, the legislation prevents deadbeat parents from abusing the bankruptcy system to shirk their child support obligations. With respect to these reforms, the National Child Support Enforcement Association stated that S. 256 is ``crucial to the collection of child support during bankruptcy.''
Some might ask why Congress has been so concerned about abuse in the bankruptcy system. The answer to this question should be obvious. It is estimated that every American household bears an annual $400 hidden tax for profligate and abusive bankruptcy filings. That is a $400 tax on every household that no politician has to vote for, but gets paid anyhow.
As a result, every abusive bankruptcy filing impacts hard-working Americans in the form of higher interest rates and increased costs of goods and service. Our economy and the hard-working Americans who sustain it should not suffer any longer from the billions of dollars in losses associated with abusive bankruptcy filings.
Mr. Speaker, this legislation not only deals with abuse in the bankruptcy system; it includes many vital consumer protections as well. S. 256 will provide the tools to crack down on bankruptcy petition mills, which often misrepresent the benefits and risks of bankruptcy relief. It will impose heightened standards of professional responsibility for attorneys who represent debtors. It will require certain credit card solicitations, monthly billing statements, and related materials to include important disclosures and explanatory statements on a broad range of credit terms and conditions, including introductory interest rates and minimum payments.
The bill also helps America's family farmers and fishermen confronting economic hard times by providing more tools to assist in their bankruptcy reorganization. The bill includes protections for medical patients in bankruptcy health care facilities and pro-privacy provisions that protect against the unwanted disclosure of personal information.
There are several other critical reforms contained in this comprehensive legislation, but the limits of time prevent an exhaustive recitation.
Mr. Speaker, the time for bankruptcy reform is long overdue. Bankruptcy reform legislation has been subject to more process, more consideration, more deliberation, more debate, and more voting than virtually any other legislative item in the past decade. We have before us legislation that represents the culmination of a decade of legislative toil and persistence. It is the product of extensive bicameral and bipartisan compromise and was approved by the other body by a vote of 74 to 25.
We also have before us a historic opportunity to return a measure of fairness and accountability to the bankruptcy system in a manner that will curb bankruptcy abuse while rewarding the vast majority of hard- working Americans who play by the rules and pay their bills as agreed upon.
Mr. Speaker, I urge my colleagues to seize this opportunity to join me in supporting this legislation.
Mr. Speaker, before closing, I include for the Record a supplemental statement acknowledging the hard work of many Members and staff who have helped make this legislation possible, as well as a summary of the principal provisions of this bill.
Mr. Speaker, over the many years this legislation has been pending in the Congress, many Members, Senators, and staff members have devoted themselves to making S. 256 a reality. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize these individuals.
Beginning with my colleagues in the House, I would like to mention the many contributions of the Chairman of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law (Mr. Cannon) for his hard work on behalf of this legislation. The Chairman of the Financial Services Committee (Mr. Oxley) has also been a great resource. I also appreciate the contributions of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle, the Ranking Member of the Judiciary Committee (Mr. Conyers) and the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Boucher). Former Members should also be recognized for their contributions. Bill McCollum is to be commended for being the first to introduce comprehensive bankruptcy reform and George Gekas deserves our gratitude for his tireless efforts.
In addition, I would like to mention the following staff on the Judiciary Committee for their contributions: Phil Kiko, Majority Committee General Counsel and Chief of Staff; Rob Tracci, Chief Legislative Counsel and Parliamentarian; Raymond Smietanka, Chief Counsel, Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law; Perry Apelbaum; David Lachmann; Matt Iandoli, Legislative Director for Representative Cannon; Todd Thorpe, Chief of Staff for Representative Cannon; Laura Vaught, Deputy Chief of Staff for Representative Boucher; Jean Harmann, House Legislative Counsel and Dina Ellis, Counsel for the House Financial Services Committee.
Former staffers who should also be recognized, include Will Moschella, Joe Rubin, Alan Cagnoli, and Liz Trainer.
The vital and indispensable efforts of one staff member have uniquely contributed to the bankruptcy reform legislation we consider today. From her service as general counsel on the congressionally-created National Bankruptcy Review Commission to her often behind the scenes work on bankruptcy reform legislation extending to the 105th Congress, Susan Jensen, counsel to the Judiciary Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law, deserves special recognition. Her technical expertise in a complex area of law has resulted in dramatic improvements in successive drafts of bankruptcy reform legislation and helped establish a record of legislative history that elucidates the legislation we consider today. Her professionalism, attention to detail, and commitment to serving the House of Representatives deserves the recognition and commendation of this House.
I would also like to acknowledge the countless contributions of our colleagues in the other body. These include Senators Grassley, Hatch, Sessions, Specter, Biden and Leahy.
This legislation has also benefitted from the hard work and devoted assistance of numerous Senate staff members. These include, Rita Lari, counsel for Senator Grassley, who has been a wonderful resource for our staff. In addition, the following individuals must also be acknowledged: Harold Kim and Tim Strachan, counsels for Senator Specter; Perry Barber, Rene Augustine, and former staffer Makan Delrahim, counsels for Senator Hatch; and Ed Pagano, Chief of Staff for Senator Leahy.
Summary of Principal Provisions of S. 256, ``The Bankruptcy Abuse
Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005''
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman
from Virginia (Mr. Boucher) to show that this is truly a bipartisan effort.
(Mr. BOUCHER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Utah (Mr. Cannon), the chairman of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Goodlatte).
(Mr. GOODLATTE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentlewoman from Illinois (Mrs. Biggert).
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, unfortunately what the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Zoe Lofgren) said is not correct. There is a means test that is contained in this bill, but 11 United States Code, section 1307 which permits the conversion of a chapter 13 case to a chapter 7 case is not amended at all in any respect.
I would just like to read 11 U.S.C. 1307(a): ``A debtor may convert a case under this chapter to a case under chapter 7 of this title at any time. Any waiver of the right to convert under this subsection is unenforceable.''
So if chapter 13 is such a straight jacket, the way out is through the conversion as provided for in section 1307.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Chabot).
Mr. Speaker, I yield 1\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Delaware (Mr. Castle).
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, this bill is the worst giveaway to special interests, the worst rip-off of the public, of the middle class than I have ever…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, this bill is the worst giveaway to special interests, the worst rip-off of the public, of the middle class than I have ever seen in my public life. The people who understand how bankruptcy law functions in the real world, the scholars, judges, trustees and lawyers, whether they represent debtors, creditors, businesses or individuals, have all told us this bill will not work, that it will be costly, and that it will produce unfair and irrational results. But we are ignoring them, trusting instead lobbyists, credit card companies, banks, and anyone else who wants a special favor; and, boy, are there special favors galore.
The credit card companies are the big winners, but so are shopping centers, car lenders, crooked debt collectors, investment bankers, credit unions, and assorted sub-prime lenders.
Those credit counseling operations that we have investigated for dishonest activity, they now get a monopoly on granting access to bankruptcy. Credit card companies that want their debts to survive the bankruptcy and compete with child support claims, they get their wish. Landlords who want to boot tenants out of their apartments, it is easier.
Did you buy a trailer home or a car on credit? Now you will have to pay the lender more than the home or car is worth to keep it.
Are you a tax collector? There is an entire title in the bill just to squeeze more money out of debtors.
Are you a pawnbroker? Section 1230 is for you. You get to keep the pawned property, and it cannot be sold to pay other debts like child support or medical expenses. That is right. Congress is more worried about the rights of pawnbrokers than about the rights of children.
So what is going on here? Why are bankers and bureaucrats telling us this bill is great for single parents with children while children and family advocates are telling us that it is not? Why does Congress believe studies paid for by the credit card industry that label millions of Americans crooks, while ignoring our own Congressional Budget Office, the independent and nonpartisan American Bankruptcy Institute, and the Government Accountability Office, all say these studies are bunk?
The supporters say if we help the banks collect more money from bankrupt families, we will not have to pay that $400 bankruptcy tax. Our interest rates will go down because the banks will be able to collect more money. But the Republican leadership would not allow us to consider an amendment that would sunset the bill in several years if no savings are passed on to consumers, and they will not be. Interest rates have come down over the last 10 years on mortgages, on cars, on everything, but not on credit cards.
Does anyone here trust VISA and MasterCard? Because we are writing them a blank check paid for with taxpayer money and trusting them to share the benefits with American consumers. Trust the banks. Trust the lobbyists. Do not trust the people who do these cases for a living. Do not trust the advocates for women and kids. Do not trust the civil rights community. Do not trust the laboring community. Do not trust disabled veterans and military family advocates. Do not trust crime victims organizations.
Trust the banks. Trust the credit card companies. Trust VISA card. Trust MasterCard. They are the beneficiaries. The public will be the victims, and we will rue the day in a few years when the 60 or 70 different ways in which this bill enables the credit card companies to stick their hands in the pockets of low- and middle-income people and extremists going bankrupt because of a medical emergency, and take more money out of that. Then the voters will know who really owns this place.
Mr. Speaker, this bill is the worst giveaway to special interests, the worst rip-off of the public, of the middle class, I have ever seen in my public life.
Mr. Speaker, it is fitting that this House take up this 512-page goodie bag for every special interest in town. Just yesterday, the Republican majority rammed through a bill that would eliminate the estate tax for the very wealthiest Americans. At least the Republican majority is consistent: more for the very wealthy, no responsibility for big banks, and squeeze the middle class.
This bill, which can only be described as the poster-child for campaign finance reform, will soon shoot through this House and to a President who has vowed that he would sign it.
Mr. Speaker, bankruptcy is notoriously complicated, but the members of this House have certainly never let the complexity of a problem get in the way of a good deal. The people who understand how bankruptcy law functions in the real world: the scholars, judges, trustees, and lawyers--whether they represent debtors, creditors, businesses or individuals--have all told us this bill won't work, that it will be costly, that it will produce unfair and irrational results. But we are ignoring them, trusting instead lobbyists, credit card companies, banks, and anyone else who wants some special favor.
And boy, are there favors galore. The credit card companies are the big winners, but so are shopping centers, car lenders, crooked debt collectors, investment bankers, credit unions, and assorted sub-prime lenders.
Those credit counseling operations that we've investigated for dishonest activity? They now get a monopoly on granting access to bankruptcy. Credit card companies that want their debts to survive the bankruptcy and compete with child support claims? They get their wish?
Landlords who want to boot tenants out of their apartments? This bill makes it easier.
Did you buy a trailer home or a car on credit? Now you will have to pay the lender more than the home or car is worth to keep it.
Are you a tax collector? There is an entire title in this bill just for you to squeeze more money out of debtors.
Are you a pawn broker? Section 1230 is for you! You get to keep the pawned property and it can't be sold to pay other debts, like child support, or medical expenses. That's right, Congress is more worried about the rights of pawn brokers than about the rights of children.
So what's going on here? Why are bankers and bureaucrats telling us that this bill is great for single parents with children while children and family advocates are telling us that it is not? More to the point-- why are so many members of Congress so willing to believe bankers over the people who we work with day in and day out to protect the rights of children?
Why does Congress believe studies paid for by the credit card industry that label millions of Americans crooks, while ignoring our own Congressional Budget Office, the independent and non-partisan American Bankruptcy Institute, and the Government Accountability Office, all of whom tell us these studies are bunk?
Why are we willing to spend so much public money to collect private debts for banks? According to the Congressional Budget Office, this bill will cost the government $392 million over the first 5 years, increasing the deficit by $280 million. It will impose new costs on the private sector of more than $123 million per year, in violation of the Unfunded Mandate Reform Act. That number does not include increased costs to debtors.
What are we spending this money on?
Means testing alone will cost the government $150 million over the first 5 years.
The government will be a private collection agency for credit card companies. Government funded audits will cost $66 million. The government will collect and store debtors' tax returns for another $10 million.
Just to administer this whole mess, we will spend another $26 million on extra judges--and no one here thinks that will be enough.
So why should taxpayers spend all these millions to collect private debts for MasterCard and Visa? I asked George Wallace, the representative of the creditor coalition, that question. I asked whether he was aware that current law gives creditors the right to challenge the discharge of debts, examine debtors under oath, demand any documents from the debtors, seek dismissal of a case, and many other legal remedies.
He said ``I have done these things and they do take a fair amount of time and I bill my clients for them. They are expensive.'' So I asked him why the government should pay to collect these debts if the banks think it's too expensive to collect their debts themselves.
His response explains this whole bill. ``Because it's a governmental program, sir. Because it is not the job of the creditor.''
A governmental program? We need to spend millions of taxpayer dollars to help the nation's biggest banks collect money from bankrupt families? Is this the new welfare?
I want to thank Mr. Wallace for his honesty. He may be the only honest lobbyist left in Washington.
Some will say that if we help the banks collect more money from bankrupt families, then we won't have to pay that $400 ``bankruptcy tax.'' Our interest rates will go down because the banks will be able to collect more money.
The distinguished chairman of the Judiciary Committee has made this the cornerstone of the legislation. He recently told the Financial Times of London, ``The responsible thing for the credit card issuers to do would be to reduce interest rates because there is less risk. If they don't they will play into the hands of the opponents of the bill-- it would reduce their credibility.''
I agree, but the Republican leadership wouldn't allow us to consider an amendment that would sunset the bill in 2 years if no savings are passed on to consumers. So I guess we're being asked to trust the biggest banks in America not to pocket the extra money. And they won't be. Interest rates have come down. Mortgage rates, car loans, but not credit card rates.
Ask yourself: Where's my $400? Does any one here trust Visa and MasterCard? Because you are writing them a blank check, paid for with taxpayer money, and trusting them to share the benefits with American consumers.
Anyone who really trust them to do this, raise your hand. Anyone?
Go ahead and vote for this. Why not? It's a done deal. Trust the banks. Trust the lobbyists. Don't trust the people who do these cases for a living. Don't trust the advocates for women and kids. Don't trust the civil rights community. Don't trust labor. Don't trust disabled veterans' and military family advocates. Don't trust crime victims organizations. Trust the banks. Trust Visa. Trust MasterCard.
At least the voters will know who really runs this place.
Announcement by the Speaker Pro Tempore
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia for yielding me time. I rise in support of the rule for consideration of S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Georgia for yielding me time.
I rise in support of the rule for consideration of S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005. This bill consists of a comprehensive package of reform measures that will improve bankruptcy law and practice by restoring personal responsibility and integrity to the bankruptcy system. It will also ensure that the system is fair for both debtors and creditors.
As we now consider this rule, and the legislation later today, I believe it is particularly important to keep in mind bankruptcy reform's extensive deliberative history before the Committee on Rules, the Committee on the Judiciary, and both bodies of Congress, which I would like to briefly summarize.
First, the bill represents the culmination of nearly 8 years of intense and detailed congressional consideration. The House, for example, has passed prior iterations of this legislation on eight separate occasions. Likewise, the other body has repeatedly registered its strong support for bankruptcy reform. Just last month, the bill passed there 74 to 25, marking the fifth time that body has overwhelmingly adopted bankruptcy reform legislation since 1998.
Second, S. 256 has benefited immensely from an extensive hearing and amendment process, as well as meaningful bipartisan and bicameral negotiations. Over the past four Congresses, the Committee on the Judiciary has held 18 hearings on the need for bankruptcy reform, 11 of which focused on S. 256's predecessors. The Senate Judiciary Committee likewise has held 11 hearings on bankruptcy reform, including a hearing held earlier this year.
In the 105th Congress, 4 days were devoted to the Committee on the Judiciary's markup of bankruptcy reform legislation.
In the 106th Congress alone, the Committee on the Judiciary entertained 59 amendments over the course of a 5-day markup on bankruptcy reform legislation, which included 29 recorded votes. On the floor, 11 more amendments were considered.
In the 107th Congress, the Committee on the Judiciary considered 18 amendments during the course of its markup of bankruptcy reform legislation, and the House, thereafter, considered five amendments.
In the last Congress, the Committee on the Judiciary entertained nine amendments to the bill, and five amendments were considered on the House floor. Also in the last Congress, the Committee on Rules made two amendments in order in connection with a similar bill, addressing bankruptcy reform, which was considered on the floor.
Last month, the Committee on the Judiciary entertained 23 more amendments, each of which has been soundly defeated.
Mr. Speaker, I have over here the paper record of the House consideration of bankruptcy reform legislation over the last four Congresses. Here's the committee report on this bill, over 500 pages long. We have a copy of the House version of the bill, which is over 500 pages long. We have the committee report from 2003. We have a conference report from the 107th Congress. We have a committee report from the 107th Congress. We have a committee report from the 106th Congress. We have a committee report earlier in the 106th Congress, one from the 105th Congress, and then we have a committee report from the 105th Congress on the House side. All of these are debates in the Congressional Record when this bill has come up, and we have had conference reports filed, amendments filed, original bills filed.
There has been plenty of process on this legislation. The time to pass it is now, and that is why this rule is coming up in the way it is structured the way it is.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding again for the time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in support of this rule for consideration of S. 256, the ``Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.'' S. 256 consists of a comprehensive package of reform measures that will improve bankruptcy law and practice by restoring personal responsibility and integrity to the bankruptcy system. It will also ensure that the system is fair for both debtors and creditors.
As we now consider this rule, and the legislation later today, I believe it is particularly important to keep in mind bankruptcy reform's extensive deliberative history before the Rules Committee, the Judiciary Committee, and both bodies of Congress, which I would like to briefly summarize for you.
First, S. 256 represents the culmination of nearly 8 years of intense and detailed congressional consideration. The House, for example, has passed prior iterations of this legislation on eight separate occasions. Likewise, the other body has repeatedly registered its strong support for bankruptcy reform. Just last month, they passed S. 256 by a vote of 74 to 25, making the fifth time that body has overwhelmingly adopted bankruptcy reform legislation since 1998.
Second, S. 256 has benefitted immensely from an exhaustive hearing and amendment process as well as meaningful bipartisan, bicameral negotiations. Over the past four Congresses, the Judiciary Committee held 18 hearings on the need for bankruptcy reform, 11 of which focused on S. 256's predecessors. The Senate Judiciary Committee, likewise, has held 11 hearings on bankruptcy reform, including a hearing held earlier this year.
In the 105th Congress, 4 days were devoted to the Judiciary Committee's mark up of bankruptcy reform legislation. In the 106th Congress alone, the Judiciary Committee entertained 59 amendments over the course of a 5-day markup of bankruptcy reform legislation, which included 29 recorded votes. On the floor, 11 more amendments were considered.
In the 107th Congress, the Judiciary Committee considered 18 amendments during the course of its markup of bankruptcy reform legislation, and the House, thereafter, considered five amendments. In the last Congress, the Judiciary Committee entertained nine amendments to the bankruptcy legislation and 5 amendments were considered on the House floor. Also in the last Congress, the Rules Committee made two amendments in order in connection with a similar bill, addressing bankruptcy reform, which was considered on the floor. Last month, the Judiciary Committee entertained 23 more amendments, each of which was soundly defeated.
Third, it must be remembered that S. 256 is a result of extensive bipartisan and bicameral negotiation and compromise. For example, conferees during the 106th Congress spent nearly 7 months engaged in an informal conference to reconcile differences between the House and Senate passed versions of bankruptcy reform legislation. In the 107th Congress, conferees formally met on three occasions and ultimately agreed--after an 11-month period of negotiations--to a bipartisan conference report. The legislation before us today represents a delicate balance and various compromises that have been struck over the past 7 years.
Fourth, and perhaps most importantly, the need for bankruptcy reform is long-overdue and should not be further delayed. Every day that passes by without these reforms, more abuse and fraud goes undetected.
Mr. Speaker, there simply is no reason to further amend this legislation given its uniquely extensive deliberative record. Those who come to the floor today and complain about lack of
process or the need to further refine this legislation--simply oppose bankruptcy reform. Accordingly, I believe this rule is appropriate, and urge Members to support it.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to lay to rest the fact that we have not had a full and complete debate on this.
This year, on March 16, the Committee on the Judiciary had a full markup on this bill. Anybody who wished to offer amendments was allowed to do so. Our committee publishes the complete transcript of markups as a part of the committee report. This transcript goes on for 160 pages in the committee report, which shows that everybody had an opportunity to speak their peace. There were 23 amendments that were offered, and all of them were voted down by overwhelming margins.
Now, amending this bill is what the people who wish no bankruptcy reform have in mind because they know the other body has had difficulty in finding time to debate this bill and vote cloture. The gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Slaughter), whom I greatly respect, has voted against this bill every time it has come up when she has cast a vote in a rollcall. Much of the complaints we are going to be hearing are coming from Members who wish to sink this bill through amendments. They have never supported it in the past. They are against it even if it were amended, and that is why the rule is the way it is.
Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Speaker, I recall yesterday when the death tax repeal was on the floor. It was a similar rule, and the minority was offered a chance to offer a substitute. They offered a substitute which was voted on and debated in the House of Representatives. But that rule passed by voice vote. So the rule under which we considered the death tax repeal yesterday is the same type of rule that we are considering today, except that the minority on this bill decided not to offer a constructive alternative substitute.
Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker. Is the material asked to be inserted covered under the General Leave that was requested at the beginning of the debate by the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey)?
Mr. Speaker, I move to table the appeal.
Mr. Speaker, I withdraw for now the motion to table.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey) for a unanimous consent request. (Ms. WOOLSEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.) Mr.…
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Woolsey) for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. WOOLSEY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my friend, the gentlewoman from Indiana (Ms. Carson).
(Ms. CARSON asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from New Mexico (Mr. Udall) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. UDALL of New Mexico asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Payne), for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. PAYNE asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Eddie Bernice Johnson), for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. EDDIE BERNICE JOHNSON of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the ranking member of the Committee on Rules, the gentlewoman from New York (Ms. Slaughter), for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. SLAUGHTER asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Lee), for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. LEE asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from California (Mr. Stark) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. STARK asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the ranking member of the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, my good friend, the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Oberstar), for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. OBERSTAR asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Michigan (Ms. Kilpatrick).
(Ms. KILPATRICK of Michigan asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Owens), my good friend, for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. OWENS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentlewoman from San Diego, California (Mrs. Davis) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mrs. DAVIS of California asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Ohio (Mrs. Jones), for a unanimous consent request.
(Mrs. JONES of Ohio asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Washington (Mr. McDermott) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. McDERMOTT asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Olver) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. OLVER asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Vermont (Mr. Sanders) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. SANDERS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky), for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. SCHAKOWSKY asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Texas (Ms. Jackson- Lee).
(Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield to my good friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Watson), for a unanimous consent request.
(Ms. WATSON asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Roybal-Allard).
(Ms. ROYBAL-ALLARD asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Connecticut (Ms. DeLauro).
(Ms. DeLAURO asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from Florida (Ms. Corrine Brown).
(Ms. CORRINE BROWN of Florida asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Davis).
(Mr. DAVIS of Illinois asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Waters).
(Ms. WATERS asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I am privileged to yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Meehan).
(Mr. MEEHAN asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker I am pleased to yield for a unanimous consent request to my good friend, the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Watt) from the Judiciary Committee, who had the opportunity to participate in some of those hearings, and is the chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus.
(Mr. WATT asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, just previous to the unanimous consent request, I was told by way of the gentleman from Georgia (Mr. Gingrey) that we had 4\1/2\ minutes.
Parliamentary inquiry, Mr. Speaker.
Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague, but I am confused by the Chair's ruling. Parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. Speaker, even though there is only 1 hour debate, a unanimous consent request by a Member that is not objected to is not permitted for extension of time?
Mr. Speaker, moving right along, I am pleased at this time to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff), my good friend.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the remainder of my time. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking Members to vote ``no'' on the previous question. If the previous question is defeated, I will amend this rule so we can vote on the Schiff amendment to help victims of identity theft. It will exempt from the bill's means test those consumers who are victimized by identity theft if it means 51 percent of the creditor claims against them are due to identity theft. This is a very reasonable and much-needed amendment, being debated in the Senate I might add, not on the bankruptcy measure, was offered in the Rules Committee last night, but unfortunately was blocked by the Republican majority by a straight party line vote.
Voting ``no'' on the previous question will not stop the bankruptcy bill from coming to the floor today. S. 256 will still be considered in this House before we leave for the weekend. However, a ``yes'' vote will preclude the House from addressing one of the most serious consumer issues in this country, identity theft. And I ask for a ``no'' on the previous question.
We owe it to our constituents to take action on this serious and escalating problem.
Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to insert the text of the amendment immediately prior to the vote on the previous question.
Mr. Speaker, I object to the vote on the ground that a quorum is not present and make the point of order that a quorum is not present.
Mr. Speaker, I demand a recorded vote.
Mr. Speaker, bankruptcy filings are at an all-time high. When bankruptcy filings increase, every American must pay more for credit, goods, and services through higher rates and charges. It is time…
Mr. Speaker, bankruptcy filings are at an all-time high. When bankruptcy filings increase, every American must pay more for credit, goods, and services through higher rates and charges. It is time that we relieve consumers from the burden of paying for the debts of others.
Since the 105th Congress, the House has passed bankruptcy reform legislation eighty times. S. 256, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act, is the culmination of years of work and bicameral as well as bipartisan negotiations.
A key aspect of S. 256 is retention of the income-based means test. The means test applies clear and well-defined standards to determine whether a debtor has the financial capability to pay his or her debts. The application of such objective standards will help ensure that the fresh start provisions of Chapter VII will be granted to those who need them, while debtors that can afford to repay some of their debts are steered toward filing chapter 13 bankruptcies.
S. 256 is good for America's family farmers. As Chairman of the House Committee on Agriculture, I am pleased that we are finally making the chapter 12 provisions of the Bankruptcy Code permanent. Bankruptcy relief for family farmers will be made easier for those to obtain a discharge of their indebtedness. In addition, the bill allows more family farmers to qualify for chapter 12 relief by doubling the debt limit and lowering the percentage of income that must be derived from farming operations.
In addition, S. 256 prevents fraud. Under the current system, irresponsible people filing for bankruptcy could run up their credit card debt immediately prior to filing knowing that their debts will soon be wind away. What these people may not realize or care about is that these debts do not just disappear. They are passed along in higher charges and rates to hard working people.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support of the ``Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005.''
Bankruptcy filings are at an all time high. When Bankruptcy filings increase every American must pay more for credit, goods, and services through higher rates and charges. It is time that we relieve consumers from the burden of paying for the debts of others.
Since the 105th Congress, the House has passed bankruptcy reform legislation eight times. S. 256, the ``Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005'' is the culmination of years of work and bi-camerla, as well as bi-partisan negotiations.
A key aspect of S. 256 is the retention of the income-based means test. The means test applies clear and well-defined standards to determine whether a debtor has the financial capability to pay his or her debts. The application of such objective standards will help ensure that the fresh start provisions of Chapter 7 will be granted to those who need them, while debtors that can afford to repay some of their debts are steered toward filing Chapter 13 bankruptcies.
S. 256 is good for America's family farmers, who are the backbone of our agriculture industry. The bill permanently extends Chapter 12 bankruptcy relief for family farmers and makes it easier for family farmers to obtain discharges of their indebtedness. In addition, the bill allows more family farmers to qualify for Chapter 12 relief by doubling the debt limit and lowering the percentage of income that must be derived from farming operations.
In addition, S. 256 prevents fraud. Under the current system, irresponsible people filing for bankruptcy could run up their credit card debt immediately prior to filing, knowing that their debts will soon be wiped away. What these people may not realize or care about is that these debts do not just disappear--they are passed along in higher chargers and rates to hard-working folks who pay their bills on time. S. 256 ends this fraudulent practice by requiring bankruptcy filers to pay back nondischargable debts made in the period immediately preceding their filing.
S. 256 also helps consumers. For example, this legislation helps children by strengthening the protections in the law that prioritize child support and alimony payments. In addition, it protects consumers from ``bankruptcy mills'' that encourage people to file for bankruptcy without fully informing them of their rights and the potential harms that bankruptcy can cause.
S. 256 also ensures the fair treatment of those that administer our bankruptcy laws. Specifically, this legislation restores fairness and equity to the relationship between the U.S. trustee and private standing bankruptcy
trustees by providing that in certain circumstances, after an administrative hearing on the record, private trustees may seek judicial review of U.S. trustee actions related to trustee removal. This compromise, worked out between the U.S. trustee's office and representatives of the private bankruptcy trustees, will ensure fairness for those who dedicate themselves to their duties as private trustees while ensuring that the U.S. trustee is subject to the same checks and balances as other government agencies.
Bankruptcy should remain available to people who truly need it, but those who can afford to repay their debts should repay their debts. S. 256 provides bankruptcy relief for those who truly cannot pay their debts, but also clearly demonstrates to those who would abuse our system that the free ride is over. I believe that S. 256 strikes the appropriate balance between these two important goals. I want to commend Chairmen Sensenbrenner and Cannon for their tremendous work on this legislation, and I urge each of my colleagues to support this fair and reasonable overhaul of the U.S. bankruptcy system.
Mr. Speaker, this is a great day. Not only are we going to be able to see the Nationals play the first home game in 34 years, but we are going to finally pass bankruptcy reform legislation that can…
Mr. Speaker, this is a great day. Not only are we going to be able to see the Nationals play the first home game in 34 years, but we are going to finally pass bankruptcy reform legislation that can get to the President's desk and be signed.
Also, tomorrow many of us are going to be paying our taxes. We have constituents who are complaining justifiably about the high cost of gasoline.
On average, passage of this legislation will save a family of four $400 a year, and $400 a year is a very important amount of money for an awful lot of people in this country, and that is the price that they are paying because of the abuse that we have seen of our bankruptcy law that has been going on for years and years and years.
I happen to believe that it is essential that we provide that $400 in relief to the American people just as quickly as we can. We know, as the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner) has said, and I congratulate the gentleman for all of the effort that he has put into this, that we for years and years and years have been going through the amendment process. We have had a wide range of concerns brought to the forefront, and we have been able to address them. I believe that we are doing the right thing by moving ahead with this measure.
Mr. Speaker, any Member who votes no on this rule is voting against bankruptcy reform. They are voting against bankruptcy reform. Why? Because it is true 35 amendments were submitted to us in the Committee on Rules. We made it very clear that one of the things that we offered when we came to majority status was the chance to give the minority an opportunity to offer a substitute. The gentleman from Wisconsin (Chairman Sensenbrenner) came before the Committee on Rules and made it very clear to us. He requested a closed or a modified closed rule.
Let me say, a modified closed rule means that the minority is offered a chance at providing a substitute, cobbling together a package that in fact is an alternative to the measure that we have brought forward.
The minority had an opportunity to do that. What did they choose to do? Members of the minority did not come forward with a substitute. They chose to offer what I describe as cut-and-bite amendments, going through these issues and amending and amending and amending.
Mr. Speaker, we would have made in order a substitute had they given it to us.
I yield to the gentleman from Wisconsin.
Mr. Speaker, reclaiming my time, the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary is absolutely right. We reported out a modified closed rule that provided the gentleman from North Dakota (Mr. Pomeroy) an opportunity to not only offer his substitute, but he could have offered a motion to recommit. So two bites at the apple. The exact same opportunity existed on this bill which has gone through Congress after Congress with an excess of 300 votes in the past.
We said a substitute would have been made in order if it had been submitted to us in the Committee on Rules.
I yield to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
Mr. Speaker, that is absolutely right. If you look at the cost that exists today because of abuse of bankruptcy law, the abusive filings of bankruptcy, there is, on average, for a family of four of $400 per year.
If I could reclaim my time, what I am suggesting is that because of abuse of bankruptcy filings that take place today, that is a cost that is imposed on American consumers to the average family of four of in excess of $400.
That is the reason it is absolutely essential, Mr. Speaker, that we pass this legislation.
I have yielded three times. If I could finish my statement, I would like to. We have other people who would like to participate. I know that my dear friend from Florida (Mr. Hastings) will be more than happy to yield further time to the gentleman from Massachusetts.
Mr. Speaker, we have been waiting for years and years and years to get to the point where we could get a measure to the desk of the President of the United States so that he can sign it, so that we can deal with this issue and finally bring about responsible reform of our bankruptcy law.
We happen to believe very passionately that people should be accountable for their actions. We do not want anyone to be deprived of access to file for bankruptcy, but we know full well that this has been abused for such a long period of time. That is why we are here today and that is why I am convinced, Mr. Speaker, that even though we will see opposition to this rule, at the end of the day, we will see very strong bipartisan support to reform our bankruptcy law.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strenuous opposition to this unfair bill. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to S. 256. This bankruptcy bill is touted as reform, but it is actually a wolf in sheep's…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strenuous opposition to this unfair bill.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to S. 256. This bankruptcy bill is touted as reform, but it is actually a wolf in sheep's clothing intended to allow credit card companies and other lenders to gouge consumers when they are most vulnerable.
Republicans are giving this gift to big credit card companies at a time when many Americans are faced with uncertain job stability, retirement security, and health coverage. In fact, 90% of all bankruptcies are filed due to the common financial emergency of a lost job or lack of medical coverage. This bill makes it harder for working families to seek shelter from these devastating and unavoidable expenses.
The Wall Street Journal recently featured the case of a constituent in my district. Crystal Herndon, a single mom in Haywood, California, earns $15 an hour. Ms. Herndon got sick with pneumonia, causing her to miss six weeks of work and rack up over $5,000 in medical bills. These unforeseen expenses caused her to fall behind on other financial obligations, and before she knew it she was simply unable to make ends meet. Bankruptcy protection was the only way out for Ms. Herndon and her family. It's hard to see the abuse in real instances of need such as these, especially when many Americans live paycheck to paycheck.
Sadly Crystal Herndon is not the only worker to be forced into bankruptcy due to unavoidable medical expenses. According to a recent Harvard University research study 2 million Americans, including filers and their dependents, face the double jeopardy of illness and bankruptcy each year. Most of these medically bankrupt are middle-class homeowners with responsible jobs and health insurance coverage. Once illness strikes, high co-payments, deductibles, exclusions from coverage, and other loopholes quickly overwhelm these families' budgets. Loss of income and health insurance often deepen this financial crisis when a breadwinner becomes too sick to work.
To add insult to injury, consumers like Crystal Herndon will potentially face an avalanche of litigation that they can't afford as a result of this bill. The bill requires the debtor in some cases to have to challenge big corporate lenders in court to prove they are eligible to seek relief under Chapter 7 of the bankruptcy code. In addition, this bill also allows creditors to threaten debtors with costly ligitation that will force many families to needlessly give up their legal rights.
In their continuing compassion, the Republicans have crafted this so- called reform so that a parent seeking child support from a bankrupt spouse will have to fight it out with creditors in order to receive payment. Meanwhile, this bill makes it easier for those seeking bankruptcy protection to lose their homes or be evicted by the landlords. Yet, those with million dollar mansions will be able to keep their homes even while seeking the same protection under the law. Nothing like a fair shake for America's working families.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, with all of the perks they've awarded to the big credit card companies, Republicans have done nothing to ensure that they are held accountable for their role in this consumer crisis. There is nothing is this bill that stops the abusive, predatory lending that lands too many Americans in bankruptcy in the first place.
Bankruptcy has always been about giving a fresh start to those who have fallen on hard times. The link between illness, job loss, and health insurance is a harsh reality in our country today. It is morally reprehensible to suggest that we exploit medical tragedies befalling honest, hardworking Americans in order to grant the wishes of the credit card companies.
I urge my colleagues to vote down this merciless legislation. Now is not the time to turn the tables on America's working families. Vote no on S. 256.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for the time. The rule we are debating, that we have made today is a closed rule which means that the Members of Congress who brought 35 amendments to the Committee…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for the time.
The rule we are debating, that we have made today is a closed rule which means that the Members of Congress who brought 35 amendments to the Committee on Rules will not have a chance to bring them up.
This closed rule means that the elected representatives of the people will never have the opportunity to consider the amendments and decide for themselves whether or not they would make the bankruptcy bill a better piece of legislation.
I personally think that amendments protecting our men and women returning from military service in Iraq and Afghanistan would be a good idea, and I feel very strongly that the amendment protecting the victims of identity theft from bankruptcy is an important measure that should be debated on the House floor. After all, Americans are and should be very concerned about identity theft. AARP said it is one of the top five issues concerning seniors today.
Just to give my colleagues an idea of how concerned our fellow Americans should be about this, Lexis-Nexis and GM MasterCard are both recovering from wide-scale security breaches which may have placed millions of
Americans at risk for having their identity stolen. In fact, just 2 days ago, Lexis-Nexis identified more than 300,000 Americans that their personal information may have been stolen. In some cases, it will take those people 6 years to get back their identity. It is a very real problem for our country.
But if my colleagues in the majority do not agree that protecting Americans from identity theft is an important issue, why will they not let the body debate it? If they want to, they can always vote against it. That is the way things are supposed to happen here in a democracy. Instead, they have instituted another closed rule and will not allow us to debate the issues.
This is the fifth Congress that we have debated bankruptcy reform, and we have heard that this morning. To be fair, we have not debated this bill under open rules in the past, but we have certainly debated them under rules that allowed amendments.
This chart shows the number of amendments that the Committee on Rules made in order on this bill in every Congress since the 105th, and I insert in the Record at this point a list of the rules.
Number of Amendments Made in Order on Bankruptcy Bills--105th-109th
Congress
105th Congress (H. Res. 452)--12 amendments made in order.
106th Congress (H. Res. 158)--11 amendments made in order.
107th Congress (H. Res. 71)--6 amendments made in order.
108th Congress (H. Res. 147)--5 amendments made in order.
109th Congress (H. Res. 211)--Closed Rule, 0 amendments
made in order.
This chart shows a disturbing pattern, Mr. Speaker, a pattern that has become common practice here in the House.
In every Congress, Republican leaders have allowed fewer and fewer amendments to be debated. We started at 12 amendments in the 105th Congress; and in the 109th Congress, we have a completely closed rule. Zero amendments are in order. There is less and less democracy in this House, and every Congress fewer voices are being heard on the floor.
The Democrats on the Committee on Rules last month issued a report studying the disturbing trend toward less democracy and deliberation in this House. During this last Congress and this closed rule today convinces me we are only getting worse.
So, Mr. Speaker, I say again we have disallowed the amendments that would have let us make this a better bill, a bill that would protect more vulnerable people in this country, including our soldiers who have returned from Iraq, most of those in the National Guard and Reserves, many of whom are losing their houses because they were called back time and again and were to able to maintain their houses. It is a disgrace we were not allowed to bring that amendment to the floor.
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Mr. Speaker, in the interest of comity, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Florida be yielded an additional 1 minute. Not from my time, no, Mr. Speaker. That he be allowed an additional…
Mr. Speaker, in the interest of comity, I ask unanimous consent that the gentleman from Florida be yielded an additional 1 minute.
Not from my time, no, Mr. Speaker. That he be allowed an additional 1 minute.
Mr. Speaker, I request that we grant by unanimous consent 30 seconds of my time to the gentleman from Florida.
Mr. Speaker, I would like to modify that request to extend time by one minute on both sides.
Mr. Speaker, I have the right to close, and I wanted to reserve the balance of my time for that purpose.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself the remainder of my time. As we come to the end of the debate on the rule for S. 256, I urge my colleagues to support its passage and the underlying bill.
Mr. Speaker, it is time to pass bankruptcy reform. Today we must fix our bankruptcy laws to prevent irresponsible and unnecessary bankruptcies. Bankruptcy affects all American families. It is estimated that the annual cost is $400 to every family in America, and it is time to reform an outdated and broken system.
Despite the objections of a few Members, I know we have followed a fair process to get to this point. The Rules Committee offered to provide the minority with the ability to submit a substitute amendment. Their substitute amendment could have included any provisions they felt necessary. The Democrats rejected this offer, and they have failed to provide any alternative plan.
It is important to note many of the individual amendments they have discussed here today were considered over the past few years. Regardless of the rhetoric, this legislation has been under consideration and amended a number of times. We are now on the final product.
This year alone, S. 256 passed the House Judiciary Committee where 18
amendments were considered. To the substance of the bill, contrary to the claims of some, this legislation is not lining the pockets of wealthy creditors with the savings of the financially challenged.
Mr. Speaker, when casting their vote, I ask my colleagues to consider those constituents the current law harms. This bill gives support to small businesses and financially responsible families. I ask my colleagues to pass this rule and finally end the 8-year debate on bankruptcy reform.
The material previously referred to by Mr. Hastings of Florida is as follows:
Previous Question for H. Res. 211, the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and
Consumer Protection Act of 2005
In the resolution strike ``and (2)'' and insert the
following:
``(2) the amendment printed in Sec. 2 of this resolution if
offered by Representative Schiff of California or a designee,
which shall be in order without intervention of any point of
order, shall be considered as read, and shall be separately
debatable for 60 minutes equally divided and controlled by
the proponent and an opponent; and (3)''
Sec. 2.
Amendment to S. 256, as Reported
Offered by Mr. Schiff of California
Page 19, after line 21, insert the following (and make such
technical and conforming changes as may be appropriate):
``(8)(A) No judge, United States trustee (or bankruptcy
administrator, if any), trustee, or other party in interest
may file a motion under paragraph (2) if the debtor is an
identity theft victim.
``(B) For purposes of this paragraph--
``(i) the term `identity theft' means a fraud committed or
attempted using the personally identifiable information of
another individual; and
``(ii) the term `identity theft victim' means a debtor with
respect to whom not less than 51 percent of the aggregate
value of allowed claims is a result of identity theft using
the personally identifiable information of the debtor.''.
Mr. Speaker, I yield back the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday night I took an amendment to the Rules Committee asking the committee to permit this body to consider allowing each Member the opportunity to approve that amendment or reject…
Mr. Speaker, on Tuesday night I took an amendment to the Rules Committee asking the committee to permit this body to consider allowing each Member the opportunity to approve that amendment or reject it. The Republican majority on the Rules Committee, however, rejected giving Members that opportunity.
My amendment would have simply provided that if more than one half of the creditor claims against you in bankruptcy are the result of identity theft, you should not be forced out of the protections of chapter 7. It was similar to an amendment offered by Senator Nelson of Florida, but was even narrower than that amendment.
Mr. Speaker, a few years ago, the manager of the identity theft at the FTC commented on how identity theft was becoming rampant in this country, that it wreaks havoc on the credit of the victim and can even force them into bankruptcy. Since then, the problem has grown even worse, and an estimated 27.3 million Americans have fallen victim to identity theft in the last 5 years.
We have all heard of recent breaches of massive databases holding personal information. On Monday, the parent company of the Lexis-Nexis reported that 310,000 people, nearly 10 times more than the original estimate reported last month, may have had their personal information stolen, including names, addresses, Social Security numbers, and driver's license numbers.
And this is not an isolated incident. Identity thieves have gained access to Choicepoint's database and personal information has been stolen and compromised from a major bank, department of motor vehicles, and a number of universities. Added together, these recent incidents in the last several weeks alone have exposed more than 2 million people to possible ID theft.
During the Judiciary Committee consideration of my amendment, I cited two recent examples of identity theft victims who were forced to declare bankruptcy, one young woman defrauded out of $300,000 and another woman who was wiped out financially when her identity was stolen, forcing her to file for bankruptcy right before Christmas.
When I offered the amendment in the Judiciary Committee it provoked quite a debate as well as a disagreement between the Chair of the full committee and the Chair of the subcommittee. The Chair of the subcommittee argued that my amendment would somehow do harm, while the Chair of the full committee argued that the problem with my amendment was that it did nothing at all. The chairman of the subcommittee then argued that the problem was that this issue had never been explored. However, the chairman of the full committee argued that this issue, and every other, had already been explored.
Well, Mr. Speaker and Members, it cannot be both. The chairman of the subcommittee even pondered what would happen if a person had their identity stolen, but then later became wealthy and had the ability to pay off their debt. While admitting that he was stretching, he still urged his colleagues to reject the amendment because it would ``clearly disrupt the whole process of moving forward the bill.'' Thus prompting a question: When is a markup not really a markup? And the answer is, whenever the bankruptcy bill is in committee.
This is now the third session in a row where essentially no amendments have been entertained in committee and no amendments have been allowed here on the floor.
Mr. Speaker, just to conclude, last year the House supported identity theft legislation cracking down on identity thieves. This amendment gives us the chance to protect some of those who have been victimized by identity theft, and I urge an ``aye'' vote.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this unfair, undemocratic closed rule and to the underlying bankruptcy bill. This lopsided bill will make it harder for families and seniors with debt…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong opposition to this unfair, undemocratic closed rule and to the underlying bankruptcy bill. This lopsided bill will make it harder for families and seniors with debt problems arising from high medical expenses, job loss, divorce, or other financial hardships to address their problems while doing nothing to rein in the credit card companies whose practices have led to much of the rise in bankruptcies.
S. 256 presumes that bankruptcy filers are simply bankruptcy abusers looking to game the system and avoid paying their bills, ignoring the clear evidence that the overwhelming majority of people in bankruptcy are in financial distress because of job loss, medical expense, divorce, or a combination of these causes.
Mr. Speaker, an important and controversial bill like the bankruptcy bill deserves a real debate. Members deserve the opportunity to consider a wide range of amendments. For the Republican leadership and the Republican members of the Committee on Rules to propose that we consider a bill that is tilted toward the credit card companies and as complex as this bill is without giving Members any opportunity to amend it on the floor with only 30 minutes per side for general debate is a travesty and a gross abuse of power.
When this bill was in the Committee on the Judiciary, we had a pseudo-markup that lasted all day and was a complete embarrassment and a waste of time for all of the members, for the Republicans would not even consider one amendment, no matter how meritorious or beneficial to the American people, even if the amendment addressed issues not previously considered because of the Republican leadership's insistence on reporting out a clean bill in order to avoid a conference committee.
As a result, important, thoughtful amendments on such subjects as protection on domestic violence victims from eviction, disabled veterans, alimony and child support, exemptions for medical emergencies and job loss, underage credit card lending, and a homestead exemption for seniors, predatory lending and payday loans all were rejected by the Committee on the Judiciary.
Shame on you Republicans.
Mr. Speaker, parliamentary inquiry.
Mr. Speaker, does the rule not state that the objection must be asked for prior to the speaking of the Member? This Member spoke, and the objection was asked for after the party spoke. My understanding is it should have been done ahead of time.
What is the correct rule?
I am sorry, Mr. Speaker. I think what I observed was she asked unanimous consent. There was no objection. She proceeded to speak. She spoke, and the objection was not timely. It was asked for after she had completed speaking. That is what I saw.
Mr. Speaker, I submit that that was not a timely objection. It was not timely.
Mr. Speaker, I do not think so. And I would oppose that, and I would support my colleague, who again would ask that we have a vote on the ruling by the Chair.
Yes, Mr. Speaker. Based on my statement, he is now again appealing the ruling of the Chair based on that it was untimely.
I ask the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler) if that is right.
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I withdraw; and I thank the gentleman on the opposite side of the aisle.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding me this time. I rise in opposition to this rule. We have before us a misguided attempt to reform our bankruptcy system. We have heard…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman from Florida for yielding me this time.
I rise in opposition to this rule. We have before us a misguided attempt to reform our bankruptcy system. We have heard cries that this system is being abused and is corrupted; and while there is need for reform, the proposal before us today contains a number of unintended consequences, consequences that would deprive consumers of the protection they deserve, hurt children, hurt families and neglect our veterans.
During the Committee on the Judiciary markup, numerous amendments were offered to correct these provisions, yet amendment after amendment was voted down, not on the merits of the amendments but because there was a backroom deal to move this legislation through the House without any changes. The committee held a sham markup.
Again, in the Committee on Rules, a number of amendments were offered to allow a debate on these issues, but not a single one was made in order today. In certain cases, my Republican colleagues acknowledged the merits of the amendments, but maintained it was simply not the time to address the issue. I have to disagree.
I am particularly disappointed that the very reasonable amendment offered by the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff) was not made in order. The amendment is narrowly tailored to exempt from the means test consumers with 51 percent of their debt caused by someone who stole their identity.
This amendment makes sense. I am sure that most everyone at some time in their life has experienced the frustration of losing their wallet. First, you have to call all the credit card companies to cancel service. Then you may have to close and later reopen your checking account. Then you may have to take a trip down to DMV to get a new driver's license. It is an ordeal.
But these days, losing your wallet can even lead to greater problems. To then realize someone racked up thousands of dollars of debt after stealing your identity is just awful. No one should ever have to pay for a crime someone else committed.
Those on the other side of the aisle say they sympathize with the issue and would like to address this matter at some point in the future; but I ask, why do we not do this now? What are we waiting for? What better place to talk about the rights of bankrupted identity theft victims than in the bankruptcy reform bill?
Just yesterday, an article ran in the New York Times about another security breach potentially leaking Social Security numbers, driver's licenses, and addresses of over 300,000 people.
We all see the headlines. Identity theft poses an enormous financial risk to the average American. No one deserves a bill for someone else's crime, but the Republican majority seems to think so. Their legislation would punish the victims of identity theft, and the refusal to adopt this very simple fix raises real questions about who they are fighting for. I believe this amendment is very timely and appreciate the attention the gentleman from California (Mr. Schiff) has brought to this issue.
I know this legislation has been around since 1998, but that does not excuse us from being unresponsive to real issues affecting Americans today.
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Speaker, this is the most special interest-vested bill that I have ever dealt with in my career in Congress. It massively tilts the playing…
Mr. Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Speaker, this is the most special interest-vested bill that I have ever dealt with in my career in Congress. It massively tilts the playing field in favor of banks and credit card companies and against working people and their families. I have never, ever faced such a piece of legislation. That explains to me why it took 8 years to get this thing up here, because they kept fixing it up, making it wrong.
Mr. Speaker, all I want to say as we open this debate is that to those who assert that this bill cracks down on creditor abuse, I would ask them to realize that this bill does absolutely nothing to discourage abusive, underage lending; nothing to discourage reckless lending to the developmentally disabled; nothing to regulate the practice of sub-prime lending to persons with no means or little ability to repay their debts; nothing to crack down on the sharks, the lenders, that charge members of the Armed Forces up to 500 percent interest per year or more. They hang around the bases and lure them in.
What this is is something that we should all be truly embarrassed about. This bill is opposed by every consumer group, by all the bankruptcy judges, the trustees, law professors, by all of organized labor, by the military groups, by the civil rights organizations, and by every major group concerned about seniors, women, and children.
Please, if we do not do anything else in the 109th Congress, let us not let this bill get out of the House of Representatives.
Mr. Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 2\1/2\ minutes to the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr. Delahunt), a distinguished member of the committee.
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Watt), the ranking member of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from New York (Mr. Nadler), the former ranking member of the Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law. This is an 8-year-old bill, and the gentleman has been foremost in this process for all of those years.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from Houston, Texas (Ms. Jackson-Lee), a member of the committee.
(Ms. JACKSON-LEE of Texas asked and was given permission to revise and extend her remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I yield 3 minutes to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Zoe Lofgren), a distinguished member of the committee.
Mr. Speaker, I yield 20 seconds to my friend, the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
Mr. Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Kucinich) for a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. KUCINICH asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Speaker, I am now pleased to break the line of members of the committee. I yield 1 minute and 15 seconds to a distinguished friend of mine, the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Pascrell).
Mr. Speaker, before I recognize the gentleman from Massachusetts, I want to go back and yield 10 seconds to the gentleman from New Jersey (Mr. Pascrell).
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this rule. There is much that should be law in this bill; but as written, it should not pass. If this bill becomes law, children will have to compete for the…
Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this rule. There is much that should be law in this bill; but as written, it should not pass. If this bill becomes law, children will have to compete for the first time with credit card companies in State court for the limited assets of debtors emerging from the bankruptcy process.
I believe that there are many good parts of this bill; but as a mother I came to Congress to protect the rights of children, not to make their interests second to those of credit card companies. Congress has always insisted that debtors should take care of their children before their credit cards, and we
should not undermine this important family value.
I am a strong supporter of the netting provisions of the bill. These provisions provide for the orderly unwinding of complex financial transactions when one participant becomes insolvent. Alan Greenspan has said these provisions reduce uncertainty for market participants and reduce risk by making it less likely that the default of one financial institution would have a domino effect on others. I support this; and as a New Yorker, I am really concerned that these provisions go into effect to protect the financial sector in the event of another terrorist attack. And I agree we need to build savings.
But these positive aspects of the bill are outweighed by an unacceptable feature that the majority has refused to address, the fact that the bill pits child support claimants against credit card companies in State court for the assets that the debtor has when she or he goes into bankruptcy. In other words, kids will lose.
I offered an amendment to address this, but the Committee on Rules did not make it in order. They did not make other important amendments that would protect victims of medical catastrophes, of identity theft and many others. This is very, very important. The sponsors say that they take care of this, but none of their steps address the new threat created by the bill to protect children from having to fight credit card companies in State court. We have never done this before. We should not leave this as a legacy of this Congress. We can get this right. We should have put children first. We must vote against this rule and the bill.
Mr. Speaker, I request permission to place in the Record, in response to this statement, statements by Bar Associations across this country, women's organizations, women's legal defense, asserting what I have said that children are put second to credit card companies.
And this is wrong. Where are the family values in this Congress?
Is it just rhetoric or do you really care about children?
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support for this long overdue legislation. I want to thank the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary, the…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, I rise in strong support for this long overdue legislation. I want to thank the chairman of the Committee on the Judiciary, the gentleman from Wisconsin (Mr. Sensenbrenner), for his leadership and his efforts in making this bill a reality. It represent years of work, compromise and what I believe to be necessary reforms.
Our bankruptcy laws have shifted away from what was their original purpose. In 1915 the Supreme Court wrote that our bankruptcy laws were intended to give honest debtors a chance to ``start afresh, free from obligations and responsibilities consequent upon business misfortunes.''
This view was later reaffirmed in the 1934 case, Local Loan Company v. Hunt, in which the court wrote that ``the purpose of the act has been again and again emphasized by the courts in that it gives to the honest but unfortunate debtor a new opportunity in life and a clear field for future effort, unhampered by the pressure and discouragement of preexisting debt.''
Over the last several decades, bankruptcy protections have expanded to cover basically anyone and everyone, not just those who truly need it. Statistics reveal that in 2004 approximately 1.5 million individuals sought bankruptcy protection. Increasingly, this protection is being sought for the consumer debt that has skyrocketed out of control as a result of the misuse of credit cards and other credit options. This expansive coverage comes at a price.
Personal bankruptcy filing cost businesses and our economy tens of billions of dollars every year. It is basically a $500 per family annual tax on each and every American family. H.R. 685 the Bankruptcy Abuse and Consumer Protection Act of 2005, the bill that is here before us today, strikes a balance. It requires those who have the means to repay debts to do so while protecting those who truly need the assistance provided by chapter 7, such as those with serious medical conditions, the men and women of our armed services who are on active duty, as well as those disabled veterans who served in years past.
Decisions to seek the protection of bankruptcy should be taken seriously. The consequences of filing are not just personal but impact our economy and society as a whole. As I mentioned, it is $600 per family that we are essentially taxed this year for everybody who is paying their debts from those who are not.
Personal filings cannot continue at the current rate. This bill represents a long overdue, much necessary first step; and I urge my colleagues to support this legislation.
Mr. Speaker, while some who file bankruptcy have been financially irresponsible, the overwhelming majority of those who file do so as a result of divorce, major illness, or job loss. Half of those…
Mr. Speaker, while some who file bankruptcy have been financially irresponsible, the overwhelming majority of those who file do so as a result of divorce, major illness, or job loss. Half of those who go into bankruptcy do so because of illness, and most of them had health insurance but still could not pay their bills.
If the purpose of the legislation is to try to deal with those who abuse credit, we ought to be able to distinguish them from the hard- working Americans who unfortunately become ill, those who have an unforeseen loss of a job, or whose spouses desert them after a business failure.
Mr. Speaker, in addition to those who get sick or lose their job, this bill will also hurt small business entrepreneurs. They go into business and consider a risk-benefit ratio that includes the possibility of making a lot of money, but also includes the possibility of losing everything and ending up in bankruptcy. With the passage of this legislation, those entrepreneurs and their families will risk not only losing everything but also being denied a fresh start if the business goes under. They will be stripped down to essentials like food and rent for 5 years, and that is average rent for the area, not what they may have been living in.
Finally, we ought to consider the impact on society of increasing the number of people who conclude that they have nothing to lose. It is ironic that the last time we debated bankruptcy reform on the floor of the House, a farmer had driven his tractor into the pond near the Washington Monument, tying up traffic for a long time. He was quoted as saying, ``I am broke. I am busted. I have the rest of my life to stay here.''
People who feel they have nothing to lose can become dangerous to society. Denying bankruptcy protection to people who need a fresh start will only increase the number of people in our community who feel they have nothing to lose.
This legislation does not differentiate between those who abuse the system and those who deserve a fresh start. This rule does not allow amendments to fix the bill; and, therefore, the rule should be defeated.
I would like to respond very quickly. If medical expenses wipe you out and you cannot pay them, under this bill you cannot get into chapter 7 if you can pay $166 a month on your bills, however much they are. There could be hundreds of thousands of dollars that you could never pay.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time. Mr. Speaker, those of us who started this process 6 years or so ago in the good faith belief that there were problems with the bankruptcy…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me this time.
Mr. Speaker, those of us who started this process 6 years or so ago in the good faith belief that there were problems with the bankruptcy system, in the sense that people were gaming the system, and felt that there needed to be genuine reform cannot help but be disappointed today because, in the process, we have lost sight of the objective of reforming to do away with the sinister influences and the advantageous corruption that is going on in the system.
I have never seen a bill that has violated more principles throughout this process. The first one was that the consumers and the lenders got together and decided that, because the lenders were not sure that they could do bankruptcy reform without reaching a compromise and the consumer groups realized that they might not be able to stop bankruptcy reform, they set up this system called the means test, which effectively exempted from the whole bankruptcy reform system those who fall below the means test threshold. The result is that individuals who fall below the means test threshold can continue with impunity to game the system without any kind of responsibility, and those who fall above the threshold get subjected to a set of arbitrary rules that, even if they are not gaming the system, they are taken advantage of. So we have lost sight of that.
The second thing is we have built in a set of perverse incentives for easy credit now. For people who fall below the means test, there is really no disincentive for them to go out and get as much credit as they can. And for people above the means test there is no incentive for lenders to be responsible in their lending practices, because they know now they have this system that is going to protect them from people that they have made irresponsible loans to.
The third problem is that, as we have gone through this process, the more we have bought into this means test philosophy and debated this, we now get to a point at the end of the process where it has corrupted even our democratic process. Because we are here on the floor with 30 minutes of debate on our side to tell the public the problems with this bill.
This is irresponsible legislating at its worst, and I encourage my colleagues to reject this bill and vote no.
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time. Mr. Speaker, it is about great pleasure that I rise today to express my strong support for the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer…
Mr. Speaker, I thank the gentleman for yielding me time.
Mr. Speaker, it is about great pleasure that I rise today to express my strong support for the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act.
A Chinese proverb says, Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. And that is exactly what this bill before us does today.
There are many reasons to support this bankruptcy reform bill, but I want to focus on one that is important to many of my colleagues, to me, and to the American people.
We should support the bill because it contains important financial literacy provisions. Financial literacy goes hand in hand with helping our citizens of all ages and walks of life to negotiate the complex world of personal finance. Financial literacy can help Americans avoid or survive bankruptcy.
We pass many laws that require the disclosure of the terms and conditions of the rich mix of financial products and services that are available to consumers. Unfortunately for too many Americans, knowing the terms and conditions of financial products and services is challenging enough. However, understanding those terms and conditions is often an even greater challenge.
Recognizing this fact, Congress included provisions in the Fair and Accurate Credit Transactions Act to address the issue of financial literacy. The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act also contains important provisions addressing economic education and financial literacy. These provisions are designed to ensure that those who enter the bankruptcy system will learn the skills to more effectively manage their money in an increasingly complicated marketplace.
Last week we passed House Resolution 148, a bill that supports the goals and ideals of Financial Literacy Month, which is this month, April 2005. H. Res. 148 was co-sponsored by 82 Members of this body, and 409 Members of this body voted for it.
Mr. Speaker, the number of bankruptcies remain at a historic high, over 1.6 million bankruptcy cases were filed in Federal courts in 2004. With this in mind, I urge my colleagues to support this bill.
Mr. Speaker, with that generous yielding, I would like to yield to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott). I thank the distinguished gentleman. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to answer my…
Mr. Speaker, with that generous yielding, I would like to yield to the distinguished gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Scott).
I thank the distinguished gentleman.
Mr. Speaker, I rise today to answer my good friend, the chairman of the Committee on Rules, to simply say the reason why a substitute was not offered is because the bankruptcy code as it now stands addresses the needs of the American people. It is interesting that the Republicans want to tell us what kind of amendment to offer when we had 35 amendments that would have protected the American people.
Mr. Speaker, I am outraged because the bankruptcy bill stabs the American people in the back. The reason why I say that is because we have a bankruptcy code that allows for the discretion of the judiciary in the bankruptcy courts to be able to determine whether your case is frivolous.
But now we have put in place what we call a means test which indicates that hardworking American families, middle-class families who have faced catastrophic illnesses, divorce, loss of job in this horrible economy, these individuals will be barred from entering the bankruptcy court because they do not meet the IRS guidelines. Who wants to meet the IRS guidelines? We already know what the Internal Revenue Service will do to you. All we wanted to do is to give more leeway.
If you listen to Professor Elizabeth Warren of Harvard University, she will tell you that the time for the bankruptcy bill has long passed. It is an 8-year-old bill that was written more than 8 years ago. Now we find that more consumer bankruptcies have declined. There are less consumer bankruptcies. But if you look at what the President is going to do with Social Security and take so much money out of our economy and break the American people, you are going to see an upsurge. But what you are going to see is the American people, because of this bankruptcy bill, losing their house, pulling their children out of school, not being able to make ends meet. It is an outrage. This rule should be defeated because the American people are being stabbed in the back. It is a disgrace.
I ask for a ``no'' vote on the rule.
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[H. Res. 211 Engrossed in House (EH)]
In the House of Representatives, U.S.,
April 14, 2005.
Resolved, That upon the adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to
consider in the House the bill (S. 256) to amend title 11 of the United States
Code, and for other purposes. All points of order against the bill and against
its consideration are waived. The bill shall be considered as read. The previous
question shall be considered as ordered on the bill to final passage without
intervening motion except: (1) one hour of debate on the bill equally divided
and controlled by the chairman and ranking minority member of the Committee on
the Judiciary; and (2) one motion to recommit.
Attest:
Clerk.