Mr. President, I would ask the sponsor of the amendment if he would like to begin or does he choose to have me discuss this amendment? I am amenable to either course. Well then, Mr. President, I will…
Mr. President, I would ask the sponsor of the amendment if he would like to begin or does he choose to have me discuss this amendment? I am amenable to either course.
Well then, Mr. President, I will go ahead.
I understand there is 20 minutes equally divided; is that correct, Mr. President?
Mr. President, I will yield myself just 4 minutes and then save some of the remaining time.
Mr. President, this amendment calls for a congressionally mandated fence that would surround every soldier, sailor, airman, and marine and every military unit in the Armed Forces. If their days at home don't equal the days deployed, these soldiers, by law, could not be deployed in support of operations in Iraq or Afghanistan. It is quite a restriction.
I have done some research recently, since I heard about this amendment, and it is certainly without precedent in wartime, and we are in wars, both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Rather than get into the debate about the length of the war in Iraq again, I think most people appreciate the fact that the war or the conflict in Afghanistan will be with us for a long time. I mention that because I have yet to see a congressional proposal to end our engagement in Afghanistan where we were successful in ousting the Taliban, but, obviously, there are more challenges we have to meet in the future.
In the Defense authorization bill, we have provisions to increase the size of the Marine Corps and the Army, which I hope will alleviate some of the enormous strain that has been placed on our Guard, Reserve, and Active-Duty Forces. I understand the deep concern of the Senator from Virginia about this issue. Our Guard and Reserve are being stressed in a way that is unprecedented, probably since World War II, when everybody was called to serve, just about, and I certainly understand the concerns raised here. I share them with Guard members and members of the Reserve all the time.
We have called people back to active duty in an almost unprecedented fashion, so I understand the intent of this amendment. But if we put such a requirement into law in wartime, I think it would be bad congressional micromanagement. It would be a precedent that no President could live with and an expression of distrust in military leaders, particularly of the Secretary
of Defense, Mr. Gates, who promptly established dwell-time policies on assuming office and is doing his utmost to enforce them.
Senator Webb has expressed his belief that this amendment would do no harm. Well, those whom we charge with the responsibilities--both the Department of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff--have indicated that if enacted, the amendment would have immediate adverse effects on their ability to accomplish their military missions.
The Joint Staff told us this amendment would ``eliminate the flexibility of the services to manage and mitigate exceptions to dwell time planning goals'' and that ``future support to IAF/OEF may be severely impacted.''
The Joint Staff went on to say, ``The requirements will result in future capability gaps in combat and combat support forces both in IAF and OEF units.'' For reservists, the requirement will ``exacerbate the stress on the current force, providing sourcing challenges and creating shortfalls.''
The Department of Defense stated, ``In emergency situations, where forces are needed quickly, the waiver process could affect the war fight itself by delaying forces needed in theater.'' And they went on to say, ``The proposed language stipulates minimum periods between deployments in both units and individuals. The requirement to meet both criteria for units and individuals before deployment could severely limit options for sourcing rotations.''
That is the view of the people we entrust with the responsibilities to defend our Nation, and I do not diminish the responsibility of the Congress as well. This amendment could--and according to military planners, would--do harm. And it shouldn't be a surprise.
So the amendment has a Presidential waiver provision, which I am sure will be emphasized in the course of this discussion, but it doesn't make the amendment better. Attempts at using it would only lead to endless delays and bickering about whether deployment ``meets an operational emergency posing a vital threat to national security interests.'' Those kinds of decisions should clearly be made by the President of the United States. That is what the Constitution says when it outlines specifically that the President of the United States shall serve as Commander in Chief.
Now, the Congress, as they have in the past, has the power of the purse, and if we don't like what the President--the Commander in Chief--is doing, then we can cut off those appropriations. Sometimes we have done that, much to our dismay in afterthought. For example, I referred earlier--yesterday--to a decision to cut off any military assistance or any kind of assistance to Cambodia, and we watched helplessly as 3 million people were slaughtered in a genocide of proportions almost unmatched in the 20th century. I say ``almost.'' So I believe this kind of decision should be made by the Commander in Chief.
I wish to assure my colleague from Virginia that I will work with him in every way to get this legislation passed, which increases the size of our Marine Corps and Army, and we should continue, just as quickly as we can, to recruit these brave individuals and to maintain the standards we think are important in order to have this highly qualified All-Volunteer Force.
I would also again point out that there are men and women who want to go back to Iraq. There are men and women who want to serve again in Afghanistan. There are men and women who feel a sense of urgency and a desire to serve. Would the amendment of the Senator from Virginia preclude them from additional service? I don't know.
So I hope we can continue to work together on this issue, and I hope we can turn down this amendment, even though I certainly agree with the sentiments and the concern of the Senator from Virginia.
Mr. President, I reserve the remainder of my time.
Mr. President, however the Senator from Michigan wants to handle it--I have 12 minutes remaining. I wish to yield to the Senator from South Carolina for 5 minutes, the Senator from Georgia for 5 minutes, and I will take the remaining 2 minutes. If the Senator from Michigan or the Senator from Virginia wants to intervene between those two, that will be fine.
I yield 5 minutes to the Senator from South Carolina and, following whatever remarks on the other side, the Senator from Georgia for 5 minutes.
We retain the balance of time, Mr. President. I withhold at this time.
Mr. President, how much time remains on both sides?
Mr. President, I ask to be recognized for the remaining time.
Very briefly, I have made my comments about this amendment. America has been engaged in other wars at other times, and we have not put time limitations on the periods that they would be in rotation. I think it is clearly executive branch decisionmaking, which is clearly pointed out in the Constitution.
I just want to add, while my friend from Michigan is on the floor of the Senate, we are probably not going to get cloture on this amendment. Then it will be a decision of the majority leader as to whether we go forward. If there is another amendment that will be brought up, I fully expect to have the same right that has been extended to the minority over the 20 years that I have been here as a Member of Congress; that is, that I be allowed to propose an amendment from our side.
I have managed many bills on the Senate floor. I have never prevented--I have never prevented--an amendment from being proposed. I hope the Senator from Michigan will extend me that same courtesy.
By the way, we now are finding significant criticism about our insistence on the 60 votes in side by sides, something that was a standard procedure when the other side was in the minority. So history clearly indicates that is the way we have been doing business. Whether it is correct or not, and whether it causes gridlock is another subject. But to criticize this side because we are insisting on the same parliamentary procedures as were insisted upon by the other side when they were in the minority, it seems to me, is a bit inconsistent.
I hope I would be able to, if the Webb amendment is disposed of, propose an amendment from my side as has been the custom all of the years that I have been here; otherwise, I think we may spend some time in a parliamentary situation. I am not ready to give up that right of the minority.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, reserving the right to object, and I will not object, perhaps the Senator from Connecticut could have his amendment pending, and then the Senator from Massachusetts could speak in morning business. I ask the Senator from Massachusetts, for planning purposes--and I know he is traditionally and characteristically brief-- I wonder how long he might be.
Mr. President, in deference to the age and seniority of the Senator from Massachusetts, I am more than happy to agree that after Senator Lieberman proposes his amendment, the Senator from Massachusetts be recognized and then we return to debate on the Lieberman amendment, if that is agreeable to my friend from Michigan. If so, I ask unanimous consent for that.
Mr. President, I rise in support of the amendment offered by the Senator from Connecticut. The amendment puts Iran on notice that we in the Congress are aware of actions taken by Tehran that have resulted in the deaths of U.S. service personnel. We are aware of it, and we must do everything we can to stop it as quickly as possible.
While my colleagues and I may have legitimate differences over our policy in Iraq, we stand firmly united against those individuals and regimes that would seek to harm our troops. For some time now, American diplomats and military officers have suspected that key Iranian Government elements are actively engaged in supporting individuals and groups seeking to destabilize the Iraqi Government and who are deliberately targeting American troops for attack. There is a body of evidence, a body of reporting on Iranian material support to Shia militias, reports that suggest that Iranian support for the most lethal of the improvised explosive devices and for armor-piercing explosively formed projectiles. Together, these weapons account for a high percentage of American casualties in Iraq.
But the evidence of Iranian activity in Iraq does not end there. In order to increase its influence in Iraq, bleed the United States and disrupt our efforts in Iraq, Iran has engaged in numerous specific acts. A few of the publicly available reports include:
In February of this year, our military confirmed that at least 170 members of the U.S. Armed Forces have
been killed and at least 620 wounded by weapons tied to Iran.
On May 27, then-MG William Caldwell, spokesperson for the Multi- National Force in Iraq, said:
What we do know is that the Iranian intelligence services,
the Qods Force, is in fact training, equipping, and funding
Shia groups . . . both in Iraq and in Iran. . . . We have in
detention now, people that we have captured that, in fact,
are Sunni extremist-related that have, in fact, received both
some funding and training from the Iranian intelligence
services, the Qods Force.
On April 26, General Petraeus stated that the Qazali network, a network directly connected to the Iranian Quds Force, was responsible for the sophisticated attack against the Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center in Iraq, which resulted in the murder of five American soldiers, four of whom were first abducted.
Last week Brigadier General Bergner, current spokesman for Multi- National Force Iraq, stated the following:
The Iranian Quds Force is using Lebanese Hezbollah
essentially as a proxy, as a surrogate in Iraq.
Coalition forces have captured Ali Musa Daqdaq, whom the
U.S. believes to be a 24-year veteran of Lebanese Hezbollah
involved in the training of Iraqi extremists in Iraq and
Iran.
The Iranian Quds Force operates three camps near Tehran
where it trains Iraqi extremists in cooperation with Lebanese
Hezbollah. The Quds Force, along with Hezbollah instructors,
train approximately 20 to 60 Iraqis at a time, sending them
back to Iraq organized into these special groups. They are
being taught how to use EFPs, mortars, rockets, as well as
intelligence, sniper, and kidnapping operations.
Iraqi extremists receive between $750,000 and $3 million
every month from Iranian sources.
. . . our intelligence reveals that senior leadership in
Iran is aware of this activity and that it would be hard to
imagine that Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Supreme Leader of
Iran, is unaware of it.
Let me be clear. This amendment is not a call for war. However, it is a clear message that America stands by our troops and our interests in Iraq and that all Americans are united against those who would do them harm.
I ask my colleagues to join us in sending this message. If the Government of Iran wishes to prevent further international isolation and increased tension with the United States, it must take immediate action to end all training, arming, equipping, funding, advising, and any other forms of support for those who are destabilizing Iraq and killing American troops. That is about as simple as it gets. I would hope that however divided we may be on other questions of policy, we can all agree on that.
As my friend from Connecticut says, this amendment is a quite commonsense, common-ground proposal that would send a clear message on behalf of America, our interests, and those who risk everything to protect it.
I remind my colleagues of several quotes made by various Iranian leaders, including the Iranian President Ahmadinejad, who said:
Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day be
destroyed.
He said on another occasion:
Israel is a rotten dry tree that will be annihilated in one
storm.
Another time he said:
The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of
destiny. Israel must be wiped off the map.
Those are not the words of the Senator from Connecticut, the Senator from Michigan, any one of our enemies, but the elected leader of the State of Iran, who has said on numerous occasions that Israel must be wiped off the map.
So it is not just what the Iranian Government is doing in Iraq, it is the continued threat to the State of Israel. The Iranians, along with the Syrians, continue to arm Hezbollah. They are in the process of replacing the rockets expended in the battle in southern Lebanon as a result of the attack of Hezbollah on Israeli forces, the capture of Israeli servicemen. It is clear that the United Nation's Security Council resolution calling for the disarmament of Hezbollah in southern Lebanon is not in any way, sense, or form being enforced. In fact, Hezbollah is being rearmed rather than disarmed.
There is no doubt that the Iranian Government is attempting to realize an age-old dream of Persian influence and superiority in the Middle East. This is a real and serious threat.
I haven't even talked about the nuclear weapons development. It is well known to most of my colleagues here--all of them, as a matter of fact. As they continue to progress down the path to acquisition of a nuclear weapon, I am not concerned--I am concerned, but I am not as concerned about the fact that Iran develops a nuclear weapon and puts it on a missile aimed at Israel. I am far more concerned about the Iranians acquiring a nuclear weapon and handing it over to one of the terrorist organizations with which they have intimate and close ties.
This is a great threat in the region. Even if we are out of Iraq, let's suppose the worst-case scenario happens. I think one of the greatest threats to stability in the region is the insertion of Iran in a broad variety of ways in Iraq, beginning with southern Iraq, and their support of continued organizations that practice terror in the region.
I also think that obviously you would have some kind of Sunni involvement sponsored by the Saudis and you would have a number of other catastrophic situations, including the Turks not being able to withstand an independent Kurdish state. All of those are subjects for a debate for another day and discussion.
But the threat Iran presents, not just to Iraq, not just to the region, but peace in the world, is real. It is extremely urgent that we address it. If we fail to do so, as we have failed to address threats of terrorism in various shapes and forms in the past, we will pay a very heavy price. That is why I am very pleased to support the amendment of my friend from Connecticut.
Before I yield, could I also say I think that the Senator from Michigan and I and the Senator from Connecticut would be glad to enter into a time for a vote on this amendment at his convenience and that of the leadership's convenience.
I am very appreciative of the remarks of the Senator from South Carolina. His eloquence is both compelling and informative.
I thank my friend from Connecticut for his amendment.
Mr. President, there has been printed in the Record an article by Senator Lieberman of Friday July 6, 2007, that appeared in the Wall Street Journal.
I hope many of my colleagues will find the time to read this piece by Senator Lieberman.
My friends from South Carolina and from Connecticut have made the arguments on behalf of the present strategy. One of the aspects of this debate we are in will center to some degree around Iranian influence in Iraq and the need for, or not, face-to-face talks with Iran. Let me make it clear in the beginning that I think America should be ready to talk to anybody at any time under any circumstances as long as somehow it isn't injurious to America's prestige or cause. But I think those who would come to this floor and argue about the need for face-to-face talks with the Iranians and how somehow that is the Rosetta Stone or nirvana--something that all we need to do is sit down and talk face to face with the Iranians--should be aware of the recent experience we have had with the Iranians. There were talks between Washington and Tehran last month in Baghdad, and the subject was security issues. Many of us were aware of those.
I quote the chief military spokesman, BG Kevin Bergner:
There absolutely is evidence of Iranian operatives holding
weapons, training fighters, providing resources, helping plan
operations, resourcing secret cells that is destabilizing
Iraq.
We would like very much to see some action on their part to
reduce the level of effort and help contribute to Iraq's
security. We have not seen it yet.
Obviously, we know that tensions between the United States and Iran are very high, especially after the United States seized five Iranians earlier this year in northern Iraq for which there was clear and compelling evidence they were helping the insurgents. We also know Iran has five U.S. Iranian citizens held on ``security-related charges,'' a gross violation of human rights. I am surprised there is not more outrage in the United States over this basic kidnapping of American citizens.
The important part of this discussion is that our Ambassador to Iraq, Mr. Ryan Crocker, met with his Iranian counterpart last month in Baghdad. I know I share the view of most people who have had interface with Ambassador Crocker that he is one of the finest who has ever served in the Foreign Service as a diplomat and representative of the United States in all parts of the Middle East. One of the issues Ambassador Crocker raised was the type of roadside bomb which cuts through armor and is most lethal that is being supplied by the Iranians. Tehran's response last week was that they would study a request from Baghdad for a second meeting but warned the decision may take weeks.
Our No. 2 U.S. diplomat, Daniel Speckhard, said:
We do not yet have another meeting scheduled for that
dialogue with Iraq and Iran.
He said the first meeting produced general assurances that Tehran had a common interest in seeing a stable Iraq on its border, but these words had not been matched by deeds.
In other words, we have had a meeting with the Iranians. We have had various representations and representatives approach the Iranians on this issue. We have tried very hard and we will continue to try very hard to convince the Iranians that chaos in Iraq is not in their interest. I am not talking about U.S. interest but their interest. But it seems, as Daniel Speckhard said, what we have seen during the first meeting is, from our perspective, a sense that their actions were out of line with their stated goals and objectives.
Relations between the two countries obviously are being strained by Iran's nuclear program, which, in the minds of most experts, is by no means peaceful.
As I said at the beginning of my remarks, and this will be part of one of the amendments that is proposed, the United States should engage in face-to-face talks with the Iranians. That is fine. As I say, it is fine with me as long as it doesn't undermine U.S. prestige and enhance the prestige of a nation that continues to say things such as:
Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the
Islamic nation's fury.
Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from
the fury of regional nations.
Israel is a tyrannical regime that one day will be
destroyed.
We are supposed to sit down in face-to-face negotiations with a government
whose President said, concerning the Holocaust:
They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and
place this above God, religions and the prophets.
The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where
the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust
as blackmail and justification for killing children and women
and making innocent people homeless.
That is the rhetoric of the Government of Iran.
I hope we can convince them that an al-Qaida-significant presence in Iraq and increased chaos in the region is not in Iran's long-term interests because we need them. We need them to join with us in trying to bring about some kind of stability in the region. I hope that will happen.
I note the presence of the deputy Democratic leader on the floor. As I have discussed with the Senator from Michigan, the distinguished chairman, we are prepared to vote at whatever the leader's convenience is. It is my understanding--if I could have the attention of the Senator from Michigan--that after that, according to our conversation--
That is quite all right--that there would be a pending Hagel amendment and then a discussion of an amendment by Senators Salazar and Alexander, and then there would be made in order probably a Kyl amendment from this side, in keeping with the back and forth of amendments, obviously, depending on the good will and agreement of the leadership.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, could I ask the indulgence of the Senator from Michigan? Perhaps an hour for Senators Salazar and Alexander and a half hour at the same time, so perhaps we could have a back and forth and use the hour and a half in its entirety, if that would be agreeable.
Sure. Could I respond?
Mr. President, I believe that this hour they asked for is in addition to the discussion of the regular amendment when it comes up on the floor sometime in the next--
Whenever it comes up. They were seeking unanimous consent just to discuss for an hour the merits of their amendment. I had said, well, we should try to also have a half hour and a time limit. Obviously, all of this is in keeping with the wishes of the majority. The Senator from Michigan and I are trying to--
Mr. President, why don't we do this: have an hour--and I am sure we will not use it--an hour each.
Mr. President, maybe we could let Senator Smith proceed and then----
Mr. President, could I just ask, is it the intention of the Senator from Michigan to call for a vote immediately after Senator Smith's 10 minutes, to alert all Members?
Whatever the Senator says.
I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
It is my understanding that time is being equally taken from both sides during the quorum call; is that correct?
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, that is correct.
Reserving the right to object, did the distinguished chairman mean to also announce that we intend to bring up the wounded warriors amendment tomorrow?
Mr. President, just reserving the right to object to clarify one more time, we intend to debate and vote on Graham and Hagel side by side. Then I would offer an amendment that would be considered. Following that, I think, is when the Senator from Michigan, along with I think 99 others, would be offering the wounded warriors amendment on behalf of our veterans.
That is my understanding.
Yes. I think it would be decided case by case and probably not by me.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum and ask unanimous consent that the time be charged equally to both sides.
Mr. President, if I could just add to that, the Senator from Virginia, Mr. Warner, was particularly interested in engaging in that discussion.