Mr. Chairman, let me first of all thank the toiling committee chaired by Chairman Conyers and Ranking Member Smith. This has been a long journey. As a new member of the Subcommittee on Intellectual…
Mr. Chairman, let me first of all thank the toiling committee chaired by Chairman Conyers and Ranking Member Smith. This has been a long journey. As a new member of the Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, let me also thank both the chairman and ranking member for a tough, tough challenge.
It is important to express that this is a significant change in patent law, but it is done to protect, if you will, the very treasure that has propelled America into an economic engine and that we must insist continue.
I think the changes that have been made certainly to some may be startling, but the effort was to bring all parties together. I am delighted that even though there are questions about, for example, the first-to-file over the first-to-invent, this committee saw fit to add my amendment which means that there will be periodic review so Congress will be instructed on whether or not this works on behalf of all inventors big and small.
Then when we look at the workings in section 5 dealing with first-to- file and dealing with damages. Rather than passing this law forever and ever, an amendment I added will give us an opportunity to study it to assess who is it helping and who is it hurting. We certainly want to ensure that all are given an opportunity.
I am very glad that the manager's amendment has impacted the damages provision. The original bill seemed to require all apportionment in all cases. But in this instance the manager's amendment has made it as one of the factors. Therefore, when you look at a Post-it sticker, you can determine how much the glue has helped the Post-it sticker. This is apportionment of damages in case there was a lawsuit.
I know that there are many groups, such as Innovation Alliance, that I look forward to working with as we make our way through to ensure that this bill answers the questions big and small and fuels the economic engine of manufacturing, universities, pharmaceuticals and others, like small inventors. I ask my colleagues to consider this bill and support it. It has a meaningful response to changing patent law for all involved.
Mr. Chairman, as an original co-sponsor and member of the Judiciary Subcommittee on the Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet, I rise in strong support of H.R. 1908, the Patent Reform Act of 2007. I am proud to Support this legislation because in many ways the current patent system is flawed, outdated, and in need of modernization. Under the visionary leadership of Chairman Conyers and Subcommittee Chairman Berman, joined by Mr. Smith and Mr. Coble, their counterparts on the minority side, the Judiciary Committee labored long and hard to produce legislation that reforms the American patent system so that it continues to foster innovation and be the jet fuel of the American economy and remains the envy of the world.
Mr. Chairman, Article I, Section 8, clause 8 of the Constitution confers upon the Congress the power:
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by
securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the
exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
In order to fulfill the Constitution's mandate, we must examine the patent system periodically. The legislation before us represents the first comprehensive review of the patent system in more than a generation. It is right and good and necessary that the Congress now reexamine the patent system to determine whether there may be flaws in its operation that may hamper innovation, including the problems described as decreased patent quality, prevalence of subjective elements in patent practice, patent abuse, and lack of meaningful alternatives to the patent litigation process.
On the other hand, Mr. Chairman, we must always be mindful of the importance of ensuring that small companies have the same opportunities to innovate and have their inventions patented and that the laws will continue to protect their valuable intellectual property.
The role of venture capital is very important in the patent debate, as is preserving the collaboration that now occurs between small firms and universities. We must ensure that whatever improvements we make to the patent laws are not done so at the expense of innovators and to innovation. The legislation before us, while not perfect, does a surprisingly good job at striking the right balance.
Mr. Chairman, the subject of damages and royalty payments, which is covered in Section 5 of the bill, is a complex issue. The complexity stems from the subject matter itself but also interactive effects of patent litigation reform on the royalty negotiation process and the future of innovation. Important innovations come from universities, medical centers, and smaller companies that develop commercial applications from their basic research. These innovators must rely upon the licensing process to monetize their ideas and inventions.
Mr. Chairman, the innovation ecosystem we create and sustain today will produce tomorrow's technological breakthroughs. That ecosystem is comprised of many different operating models. It is for that reason that we evaluated competing patent reform proposals thoroughly to ensure that sweeping changes in one part of the system do not result in unintended consequences to other important parts.
Let me discuss briefly some of the more significant features of this legislation, which I will urge all members to support.
Section 3: Right of the First Inventor to File
H.R. 1908 converts the U.S. patent system from a first-to-invent system to a first-inventor-to file system. The U.S. is alone in granting priority to the first inventor as opposed to the first inventor to file a patent. H.R. 1908 will inject needed clarity and certainty into the system. While cognizant of the enormity of the change that a ``first inventor to file'' system may have on many small inventors and universities, a grace period is maintained to substantially reduce the negative impact to these inventors.
Moreover, the legislation incorporates an amendment that I offered during the full committee markup that requires the Department of Commerce Undersecretary for Intellectual Property and Director of the Patent and Trademark Office director to conduct a study every seven years on the effectiveness of revisions made in the bill to the patent derivation litigation system and submit the report to the House and Senate Judiciary committees. In embracing this constructive addition to the bill, the Committee Report notes:
[T]he amendments in section 3 of the bill serve to
implement a fundamental change in the operation of the United
States patent system. Such change, while well-reasoned,
requires a mechanism for monitoring its long-term effects.
Section 5: Formula for Calculating Fair and Equitable Remedies
Section 5 of the bill provides useful clarification to courts and juries designed to ensure inventors are compensated fairly, while not discouraging innovation with arbitrary or excessive damage awards. While preserving the right of patent owners to receive appropriate damages, the bill provides a formula to ensure that the patent owner be rewarded for the actual value of the patented invention.
Computing damages in patent cases is an exceedingly complex task. The complexity stems not from the unwillingness of competing interests to find common ground but from the interactive effects of patent litigation reform on the royalty negotiation process and the future of innovation.
To illustrate, consider this frequently cited hypothetical. A new turbine blade for a jet engine is invented which enables the plane to achieve a 40 percent increase in gas mileage. What is fair compensation for the holder of the patent? Damages could fairly be based on the number of turbine blades used, the number of jet engines employing those turbine blades, or on a percentage of the savings of the cost of jet fuel used, or the number of miles flown by aircraft using engines employing the turbine blades, or even, if the higher efficiency of aircraft using the turbine blades was the basis for the market demand for the jet, the jet itself.
The original version of the bill was susceptible to a reasonable interpretation that apportionment would be required in all cases. But as marked up and amended, apportionment is only one of the several methods a court can use in awarding damages, including the use of the current approach established in Georgia-Pacific v. United States Plywood Corp., 318 F.Supp. 116 (S.D.N.Y. 1970), which provides that reasonable royalty damages are ascertained by looking to what the infringer would have paid, and what the patent owner would have accepted, for a license, had one been negotiated at the time the infringement began.
Moreover, apportionment no longer applies to damages based on lost profits. Another change allows plaintiff to recover the enhanced value of previously known elements where their combination in the invention adds value or functionality to the prior art. This is a very important and helpful compromise on the issue of patent case damages. We must keep in mind that important innovations come from universities, medical centers, and smaller companies that develop commercial applications from their basic research. These innovators must rely upon the licensing process to monetize their ideas and inventions.
Thus, it is very important that we take care not to harm this incubator of tomorrow's technological breakthroughs. The bill before us strikes the proper balance.
In addition, it should also be pointed out that included in the bill is another of my amendments adopted during the full committee markup requiring the PTO Director to conduct a study on the effectiveness and efficiency of the amendments to section 5 of the bill, and submit to the Committees on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Senate a report on the results of the study. The report must include any recommendations the Director may have on amendments to the law add any other recommendations the Director may have with respect to the right of the inventor to obtain damages for patent infringement. The study must be done not later than the end of the 7-year period beginning on the date of enactment of this Act and at the end of every 7-year period after the date of the first study. In adopting this amendment, the Judiciary Committee reported that:
[T]he amendments in section 5 of the bill will have many
positive effects on the patent system, but that the changes
are sufficiently significant to require periodic monitoring.
By examining the effects of these changes on a regular basis,
and by paying attention to such feedback as may be obtained
through these studies, Congress can ensure that any
unforeseen negative consequences that may arise can be dealt
with through future legislation or other mechanisms.
Willful Infringement and Prior Use Rights
The legislation also contains certain limitations on willful infringement. A court may only find willful infringement if the patent owner shows, by clear and convincing evidence, that (1) the infringer, after receiving detailed written notice from the patentee, performed the acts of infringement, (2) the infringer intentionally copied the patented invention with knowledge that it was patented, or (3) after having been found by a court to have infringed a patent, the infringer engaged in conduct that again infringed on the same patent. An allegation of willfulness is subject to a ``good faith'' defense. H.R. 1908 also expands the ``prior user rights'' defense to infringement, where an earlier inventor began using a product or process (although unpatented) before another obtained a patent for it.
Post-Grant Procedures and Other Quality Enhancements
Another beneficial feature of H.R. 1908 is that it cures the principal deficiencies of re-examination procedures and creates a new, post-grant review that provides an effective and efficient system for considering challenges to the validity of patents. Addressing concerns that one seeking to cancel a patent could abuse a post -grant review procedure, the bill establishes a single opportunity for challenge that must be initiated within 12 months of the patent being granted. It also requires the PTO Director to prescribe rules for abuse of discovery or improper use of the proceeding, limits the types of prior art which may be considered, and prohibits a party from reasserting claims in court that it raised in post-grant review.
Venue and Jurisdiction
Finally, the bill also addresses changes to venue, to address extensive forum shopping and provides for interlocutory appeals to help clarify the claims of the inventions early in the litigation process. H.R. 1908 would restore balance to this statute by allowing cases to be brought in a variety of locales--including where the defendant is incorporated or has its principal place of business or has committed a substantial portion of the acts of infringement and has a physical facility controlled by the defendant. H.R. 1908 makes patent reform litigation more efficient by providing the Federal Circuit jurisdiction over interlocutory decisions, known as Markman orders, in which the district court construes the claims of a patent as a matter of law.
Conclusion
In short, Mr. Chairman, the argument for supporting H.R. 1908 can be summed up as follows: For those who are confident about the future, the bill, as amended, offers vindication. For those who are skeptical that the new changes will work, the Jackson-Lee amendments added to the bill will provide the evidence they need to prove their case. And for those who believe that maintaining the status quo is intolerable, the legislation before us offers the best way forward.
I urge all members to join me in supporting passage of this landmark legislation.
Mr. Chairman, I offer an amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I started out in this debate to say that we worked very hard for a long period of time to be able to look at the small and the big, the big inventor and the little man inventor. All of them have been great to America, and we have benefited from their inventions and their intellect.
This patent bill preserves the intellectual property, the art, the invention, the minds of America. And it does, in fact, protect us against those who would undermine this very viable economic engine, and that is our mind, our talent.
But I believe that all voices should be heard. And throughout this whole process there is probably no one who focused on the damages issue as much as I did, the proportionality issue. And I worked with Mr. Berman and Mr. Conyers and our bipartisan friends.
So this gives us an opportunity, and my amendment is very simple. And it doesn't wait 7 years or 10 years to give us answers. It's 1 year. It provides us with the opportunity in this landmark legislation to study the patent damage awards in cases where such awards have been based on a reasonable royalty under section 84 of title 35 of the United States Code. The study should at a minimum consider cases from 1990 to the present. It has a very detailed analysis, and what that will do is it will find its way to this Congress and we will have a better way of assessing the impact.
We are concerned. Proportionality is an issue. But we are not ignoring your concerns, and this particular study helps to bring us along.
Let me just quickly suggest the entities that will be impacted in a positive way: the American Intellectual Property Law Association, a number of universities that will be impacted from the University of Illinois to Massachusetts to the University of Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Texas A&M. Small inventors will be impacted by this study because it will give us more information.
I would ask my colleagues to support this amendment.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman for affording me this opportunity to explain my amendment to H.R. 1908, the ``Patent Reform Act of 2007.'' Let me also thank the distinguished Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Mr. Conyers, and the Ranking Member, Mr. Smith, for the example of bipartisan leadership coming together to address the real problems of the American people and the economy.
I especially wish to thank Mr. Berman and Mr. Coble, the chair and ranking member of the Judiciary Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet for their hard work, perseverance, and visionary leadership in producing landmark legislation that should ensure that the American patent system remains the envy of the world. I am proud to have joined with all of them as original co-sponsor of H.R. 1908, the Patent Reform Act of 2007.
On behalf of the small business enterprises, technology firms, and academics I am privileged to represent, I want to publicly thank them for working with me on two other amendments to the bill offered by me which were adopted during the full committee markup.
Mr. Chairman, my amendment is a simple but important addition to this landmark legislation, which I believe can be supported by every member of this body. My amendment calls for a study of patent damage awards in cases where such awards have been based on a reasonable royalty under Section 284 of Title 35 of the United States Code. The study should, at a minimum, consider cases from 1990 to the present. The results of this study shall be reported to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees.
I have attached to my statement a partial listing of groups, organizations, institutions, and industries that will benefit from the study called for in my amendment.
Mr. Chairman, Article I, Section 8, clause 8 of the Constitution confers upon the Congress the power: ``To promote the Progress of
Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.''
In order to fulfill the Constitution's mandate, we must examine the patent system periodically to determine whether there may be flaws in its operation that may hamper innovation, including the problems described as decreased patent quality, prevalence of subjective elements in patent practice, patent abuse, and lack of meaningful alternatives to the patent litigation process.
On the other hand, we must be mindful of the importance of ensuring that small companies have the same opportunities to innovate and have their inventions patented and that the laws will continue to protect their valuable intellectual property.
Chairman Berman is to be commended for his yeoman efforts in seeking to broker a consensus on the subject of damages and royalty payments, which is covered in Section 5 of the bill. But as all have learned by now, this is an exceedingly complex issue. The complexity stems not from the unwillingness of competing interests to find common ground but from the interactive effects of patent litigation reform on the royalty negotiation process and the future of innovation.
Important innovations come from universities, medical centers, and smaller companies that develop commercial applications from their basic research. These innovators must rely upon the licensing process to monetize their ideas and inventions. Thus, it is very important that we take care not to harm this incubator of tomorrow's technological breakthroughs. It is for that reason that we need to study whether patent damage awards in cases where such awards have been based on a reasonable royalty under 35 U.S.C. 284 have and are hindering technological innovation.
And it is important to emphasize Mr. Chairman, that this evaluation will be based on empirical data rigorously analyzed.
Among the matters to be studied and reviewed are the following: Whether the mean or median dollar amount of reasonably royalty-based patent damages awarded by courts or juries, as the case may be, has significantly increased on a per case basis during the period covered by the study, taking into consideration adjustments for inflation and other relevant economic factors; Whether there has been a pattern of excessive and inequitable reasonable-royalty based damages during the period covered by the study and, if so, any contributing factors; To the extent that a pattern of excessive and inequitable damage awards exists, measures that could guard against such inappropriate awards without unduly prejudicing the rights and remedies of patent holders or significantly increasing litigation costs; and To the extent that a pattern of excessive and inequitable damage awards exists, whether legislative proposals that would mandate, or create a presumption in favor of, apportionment of reasonable royalty-based patent damages would effectively guard against such inappropriate awards without unduly prejudicing the rights and remedies of patent holders or significantly increasing litigation costs.
In short, Mr. Chairman my amendment can be summed up as follows: For those who are confident of the future, my amendment offers vindication. For those who are skeptical that the new changes will work, my amendment will provide the evidence they need to prove their case. And for those who believe that maintaining the status quo is intolerable, my amendment offers a way forward.
I urge all members to support my amendment.
Appendix
AmberWave Systems Aware, Inc., Canopy Venture Partners,
LLC, Cantor Fitzgerald, LP, Cryptography Research, Cummins-
Allison Corp., Digimarc Corporation, Fallbrook Technologies,
Inc., Helius, Inc, Immersion Corporation, Inframat
Corporation, InterDigital Communications Corporation,
Intermolecular, Inc., LSI Metabolix.
QUALCOMM, Inc., Symyx, Tessera, US Nanocorp. 3M, Abbott,
Accelerated Technologies, Inc., Acorn Cardiovascular Inc.,
Adams Capital Management, Adroit Medical Systems, Inc.,
AdvaMed, Advanced Diamond Technologies, Inc., Advanced
Medical Optics, Inc., Advanced Neuromodulation Systems, Inc.,
Aero-Marine Company.
AFL-CIO, Air Liquide, Air Products, ALD NanoSolutions,
Inc., ALIO Industries, Allergan, Inc., Almyra, Inc.,
AmberWave Systems Corporation, American Intellectual Property
Law Association (AIPLA), American Seed Trade, Americans for
Sovereignty, Americans for the Preservation of Liberty,
Amylin Pharmaceuticals, AngioDynamics, Inc. Applied Medical,
Applied Nanotech, Inc.
Argentis Pharmaceuticals, LLC, Arizona BioIndustry
Association, ARYx Therapeutics, Ascenta Therapeutics, Inc.,
Association of University Technology Managers (AUTM),
Asthmatx, Inc., AstraZeneca, Aware, Inc., Baxa Corporation,
Baxter Healthcare Corporation, BayBio, Beckman Coulter, BIO--
Biotechnology Industry Organization, BioCardia, Inc.
BIOCOM, Biogen Idec. Biomedical Association, BioOhio,
Bioscience Institute, Biotechnology Council of New Jersey,
Blacks for Economic Security Trust Fund, BlazeTech
Corporation, Boston Scientific, Bridgestone Americas Holding,
Inc., Bristol-Myers Squibb, BuzzLogic, California Healthcare
Institute, Canopy Ventures, Carbide Derivative Technologies,
Cardiac Concepts, Inc.
CardioDynamics, Cargill, Inc., Cassie-Shipherd Group,
Caterpillar, Celgene Corporation, Cell Genesys, Inc., Center
7, Inc. Center for Small Business and the Environment, Centre
for Security Policy, Cephalon, CheckFree, Christian Coalition
of America, Cincinnati Sub-Zero Products, Coalition for 21st
Century Patent Reform, Coalitions for America.
CogniTek Management Systems, Inc., Colorado Bioscience
Association, Conceptus, Inc., CONNECT, Connecticut United for
Research Excellence, Cornell University, Corning, Coronis
Medical Ventures, Council for America, CropLife America,
Cryptography Research, Cummins Inc.
Cummins-Allison Corporation, CVRx Inc., Dais Analytic
Corporation, Dartmouth Regional Technology Center, Inc.,
Declaration Alliance
Deltanoid Pharmaceuticals, Digimarc Corporation,
DirectPointe, Dow Chemical Company, DuPont, Dura-Line
Corporation, Dynatronics Co., Eagle Forum, Eastman Chemical
Company.
Economic Development Center, Edwards Lifesciences, Elan
Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Electronics for Imaging, Eli Lilly and
Company, Ellman Innovations LLC, Enterprise Partners Venture
Capital, Evalve, Inc. Exxon Mobil Corporation, Fallbrook
Technologies Inc., FarSounder, Inc., Footnote.com, Gambro
BCT, General Electric.
Genomic Health, Inc., Gen-Probe Incorporated, Genzyme,
Georgia Biomedical Partnership, Glacier Cross, Inc.
GlaxoSmithKline, Glenview State Bank, Hawaii Science &
Technology Council, HealthCare Institute of New Jersey,
HeartWare, Inc., Helius, Inc., Henkel Corporation.
Hoffman-LaRoche, Inc., iBIO, Imago Scientific Instruments,
Impulse Dynamics (USA), Inc., Indiana Health Industry Forum,
Indiana University, Innovation Alliance, Institute of
Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)-USA.
InterDigital Communications Corporation, Intermolecular,
Inc., International Association of Professional and Technical
Engineers (IFPTE), Invitrogen Corporation, Iowa Biotechnology
Association, ISTA Pharmaceuticals, Jazz Pharmaceuticals,
Inc., Johnson & Johnson, KansasBio, Leadership Institute, Let
Freedom Ring, Life Science Alley, LITMUS, LLC, LSI
Corporation, Lux Capital Management, Luxul Corporation,
Maryland Taxpayers' Association.
Masimo Corporation, Massachusetts Biotechnology Council,
Massachusetts Medical Device Industry Council (MassMEDIC),
Maxygen Inc., MDMA--Medical Device Manufacturer's
Association, Medical College of Wisconsin, Medlmmune, Inc.,
Medtronic, Merck, Metabasis Therapeutics, Inc., Metabolex,
Inc., Metacure (USA), Inc., MGI Pharma Inc., MichBio.
Michigan Small Tech Association, Michigan State University,
Millennium Pharmaceuticals, Inc., Milliken & Company, Mohr,
Davidow Ventures, Monsanto Company, NAM--National Association
of Manufacturers, NanoBioMagnetics, Inc. (NBMI), NanoBusiness
Alliance, Nanolnk, Inc., Nanolntegris, Inc., Nanomix, Inc.,
Nanophase Technologies, NanoProducts Corporation, Nanosys,
Inc., Nantero, Inc., National Center for Public Policy
Research, Nektar Therapeutics, Neoconix, Inc.
Neuro Resource Group (NRG), Neuronetics, Inc., NeuroPace,
New England Innovation Alliance, New Hampshire Biotechnology
Council, New Hampshire Department of Economic Development,
New Mexico Biotechnical and Biomedical Association, New York
Biotechnology Association.
Norseman Group, North Carolina Biosciences Organization,
North Carolina State University, North Dakota State
University, Northrop Grumman Corporation, Northwestern
University, Novartis, Novartis Corporation.
Novasys Medical Inc., NovoNordisk, NUCRYST Pharmaceuticals,
Inc., NuVasive, Inc., Nuvelo, Inc., Ohio State University,
OpenCEL, LLC, Palmetto Biotechnology Alliance, Patent
Cafe.com, Inc., Patent Office Professional Association,
Pennsylvania Bio, Pennsylvania State University, PepsiCo,
Inc., Pfizer, PhRMA--Pharmaceutical Research and
Manufacturers of America, Physical Sciences Inc., PointeCast
Corporation.
Power Innovations International, Power Metal Technologies,
Inc., Preformed Line Products, Procter & Gamble, Professional
Inventors' Alliance.
ProRhythm, Inc., Purdue University, Pure Plushy Inc.,
QUALCOMM Inc., QuantumSphere, Inc., QuesTek Innovations LLC,
Radiant Medical, Inc., Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,
Research Triangle Park, NC, Retractable Technologies, Inc.,
RightMarch.com.
S & C Electric Company, Salix Pharmaceuticals, Inc.,
SanDisk Corporation, Sangamo BioSciences, Inc., Semprius,
Inc, Small Business Association of Michigan--Economic
Development Center, Small Business Exporters Association of
the United States, Small Business Technology Council, Smart
Bomb Interactive, Smile Reminder, SmoothShapes, Inc., Solera
Networks, South Dakota Biotech Association, Southern
California Biomedical Council, Spiration, Inc., Standup Bed
Company.
State of New Hampshire Department of Resources and Economic
Development, Stella Group, Ltd., StemCells, SurgiQuest, Inc.,
Symyx Technologies, Inc., Tech Council of Maryland/MdBio,
Technology Patents & Licensing, Tennessee Biotechnology
Association, Tessera, Inc., Texas A&M, Texas Healthcare,
Texas Instruments, Three Arch Partners, United Technologies,
University of California System, University of Illinois,
University of Iowa, University of Maryland, University of
Michigan, University of Minnesota, University of New
Hampshire, University of North Carolina System, University of
Rochester, University of Utah, University of Wisconsin-
Madison.
US Business and Industry Council, US Council for
International Business, USGI Medical, USW--United
Steelworkers, Vanderbilt University and Medical Center,
Virent Energy Systems, Inc., Virginia Biotechnology
Association, Visidyne, Inc., VisionCare Opthamalogic
Technologies, Inc., Washington Biotechnology & Biomedical
Association.
Washington University, WaveRx, Inc., Wayne State
University, Wescor, Inc., Weyerhaeuser, Wilson Sonsini
Goodrich & Rosati, Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation
(WARF), Wisconsin Biotechnology and Medical Device
Association, Wyeth.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, my intent was to respond to the disparate voices.
Would you at least admit that this improves or adds to by giving us additional information?
Mr. Chairman, I yield 30 seconds to the gentlewoman from California (Ms. Zoe Lofgren).
May I inquire as to how much time I have remaining?
I yield 45 seconds to the distinguished chairman, Mr. Conyers.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the distinguished gentleman from California.