Mr. President, I offered an amendment yesterday that a number of my colleagues have spoken on, both in favor and against. When I laid down the amendment yesterday, I did not speak on it, so I wish to…
Mr. President, I offered an amendment yesterday that a number of my colleagues have spoken on, both in favor and against. When I laid down the amendment yesterday, I did not speak on it, so I wish to take some time to describe what the amendment is, why it is important, and why those who have spoken against it are wrong.
Let me describe, first of all, what the amendment is about, and let me do it, if I might, by asking unanimous consent that I be allowed to show on the floor of the Senate two bottles of medicine.
Mr. President, these two bottles of medicine contain Lipitor. Most people know about Lipitor. It is a cholesterol-lowering drug. This particular prescription drug is produced in Ireland, and it is sent from that production point, in a plant, by the way, that is approved by our Food and Drug Administration. We inspect that plant, as we do others. So they produce an FDA-approved drug--this drug has been approved--in a plant in Ireland that has been inspected by the FDA. These two bottles of medicine containing Lipitor, 20 milligrams, identical bottles with a difference in color, are sent to two different places in this case but sent to many places around the world. This one is sent to the United States to be sold to consumers in the United States that want to lower their cholesterol. This one is sent to consumers in Canada for those Canadians who wish to take Lipitor to lower their cholesterol.
There is a difference. Oh, not in the medicine, not in the bottle, and not in the instruction. What is the difference? The American consumer is told: You have to pay twice as much. Let me say that again. The difference is the price. The Canadian consumer is told: You pay half the price. The American consumer is told: You pay double the price.
Now, I use the Lipitor as an example only to describe a very significant problem. We have price controls on prescription drugs in this country. Those price controls are not established by the Government. They are not established by the Congress. These price controls are imposed by the pharmaceutical industry.
I have a problem with the pharmaceutical industry saying to the American consumer: We have a deal for you; we want you to pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. We are going to sell them all over the world: Italy, Japan, Germany, France, China. We are going to sell our prescription drugs, and in almost every circumstance, in other countries, we are going to give them a lower price. But to you consumers in the United States, we say: You pay the highest prices.
Let me give you a couple of examples, and I will use Canada, but I could be using any number of countries around the world. Lipitor. We pay 96 percent more. Plavix, 46 percent more. Prevacid, 97 percent more than if you were to buy it in Canada. Zoloft, 52 percent more. It goes on and on.
I said yesterday that I actually sat on a bale of straw on a farm talking to a bunch of folks, and there was a fellow in his 80s sitting on a straw bale talking about life and things, and he said: You know, Mr. Senator, my wife has been fighting breast cancer for 3 years. Every 3 months, we have driven to Canada to buy Tamoxifen because we save 80 percent by buying Tamoxifen to help my wife fight her breast cancer--we save 80 percent by buying it in Canada. So every 3 months, for 3 years, we have been driving back and forth to Canada because it is the only way we can afford that drug. He said: How do you justify that? How do you explain the
difference in price? I said: I can't. It doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't come here to be critical of the pharmaceutical industry, I come here to be critical of their pricing policy. Their pricing policies are unfair to the American consumer. Yes, the pharmaceutical industry produces miracle drugs; a fair amount of them are produced with research we pay for through the American taxpayer at the National Institutes of Health. Others are produced with the research and development done by the drug industry themselves. But I would say that miracle drugs offer no miracles to those who can't afford to buy them, and that is the point.
What is fair pricing for pharmaceutical drugs, and why is it so unfair at this point to the American people? I introduced a piece of legislation with many of my colleagues, and let me read a list of the bipartisan cosponsors, Republicans and Democrats, who sponsored the legislation that we introduced in this Congress, the very legislation I have now offered as an amendment to this bill. Let me go through a list of some of the names. Myself, Senator Snowe, Senator Kennedy, Senators Stabenow, Bingaman, Feinstein, Nelson, Kohl, Schumer, Inouye, Brown, Sanders, Senators Grassley, McCain, Specter, Collins, Durbin, Pryor, Levin, Leahy, Tester, Conrad, McCaskill, Johnson, Casey, Boxer, Salazar, Clinton, Lincoln, Feingold. Thirty-three sponsors for this legislation that I have offered as an amendment here today.
Let me now begin to describe a few of the opponents' arguments and then respond to them. My colleague, Senator Cochran, came out and offered an amendment that says in order for this to be effective, the Secretary would have to certify that it poses no additional risk to the public health and safety. Well, that is an amendment that is designed to kill the bill because the Health and Human Services Secretary will not certify to anything.
Does anyone think the Health and Human Services Secretary or the FDA or anybody is going to certify that the chicken feed served to 3 million chickens with contaminated material from China, which now goes into our food source that humans are eating in this country today, that poses a risk? Or how about we say that we want them to certify that the vegetables imported into this country from Mexico pose no additional risk? Does anyone think anybody is going to certify to that? Do you, really?
I could go on at great length. Does anybody know of any circumstance in which any part of our food supply is certified by anybody saying that the import of this poses no additional risk? No. So this is an amendment designed to make this inoperative.
What my amendment does is actually make our drug supply safer with respect to the importation. Because the fact is people are now going back and forth across the border, those who can get there by car. Most Americans can't, but most are bringing prescription drugs back across the border for a 3-month supply. This makes that even safer.
I am going to go through a number of the safety areas here, but first let me say this. I understand that the pharmaceutical industry wants to continue its pricing policies. I understand that. It is perfectly understandable. I have some differences with them.
In the morning, perhaps while you are brushing your teeth or shaving, getting ready for work, you might turn on the television and what do you hear them saying on television? They say, well, you need to go talk to your doctor. You are brushing your teeth and thinking, why on Earth should I go talk to my doctor? Because the television advertisement says that you need to see if the little purple pill is right for you. You need to ask your doctor whether you ought to take the purple pill. I don't know what the purple pill is, but you get this urge that you think, maybe I should go ask somebody. If everybody is taking the purple pill, maybe I should find out if the purple pill is right for me. Maybe it is right for my colleague from Wyoming or West Virginia. Maybe we all ought to be taking the purple pill. I don't know.
If they ever describe what the purple pill does, they also have to then describe what the potential risks might be of the pill. But in most cases, the TV just says, go talk to your doctor to see if it is right for you. So we have a lot of advertising going on, and we dramatically increase the use of prescription drugs. Go talk to any doctor and ask them if patients are coming to them and telling them what kind of prescription medication they want to take because they heard it on television. Go ask a doctor, and I tell you what the doctor will say. Absolutely.
Of course, these are medicines that you can only get because a doctor has said you need them and, therefore, I prescribe them. Television advertising is creating a demand. I am not here with an amendment on television advertising, but I am observing that every morning they ask whether the purple pill, or whatever other medicine they are talking about, is right for you and that you ought to be visiting with your doctor about it.
In addition to the issue of demand, there is the issue of pricing. I don't know. Somebody doesn't have to give me five reasons or three reasons or even two reasons. I want somebody to give me one reason, just one, that says we think it is perfectly defensible that the American people ought to be charged the highest prices for prescription drugs. Or in the specific case I mentioned, we think it is perfectly defensible that the American consumer taking Lipitor ought to be charged twice as much as the Canadian consumer. Give me one reason. I am not asking for five, just one reason. I can't believe there is one person on the floor of this Senate that has the ability to construct one thoughtful reason in support of that policy.
Let me put in the Record a letter the AARP has written yesterday. Let me read a little bit of it:
On behalf of the AARP's more than 38 million members, we
urge you to support the Dorgan-Snowe importation amendment.
This amendment provides for the safe, legal importation of
lower price prescription drugs from abroad.
In the quest for lower-priced prescription drugs, many
Americans are already importing prescription drugs from
abroad. [The Dorgan-Snowe] amendment would create a framework
for the safe, legal importation of prescription drugs that
will better protect the health and pocketbooks of those
desperate for lower-priced prescription drugs. We are also
very pleased to see that the [Dorgan-Snowe] amendment
includes a number of safety requirements including
inspections and measures to prevent the counterfeiting of
imported drugs.
I ask unanimous consent that the entire letter be printed in the Record.
It is interesting to me that those who have spoken against this come to the floor of the Senate with the specter of counterfeiting. Counterfeiting exists at this point. My amendment will make it less likely. This puts in place the very safety features and the very capability to try to shut that down. But if they are talking about counterfeiting that is existing now, it is existing without these kind of safety precautions on importation.
Let me describe a man, a very courageous man named Dr. Peter Rost. He came to testify at a hearing we held on the subject of reimportation. Peter Rost was responsible for a region in northern Europe where they did this routinely. They had an approach in Europe called parallel trading. If you are in Germany and want to buy a prescription drug in France, that is not a problem. If you are in Italy and want to buy a prescription drug in Spain, that is not a problem. They have done this for a couple of decades. Dr. Peter Rost was in charge of a region in northern Europe. He said:
I never once--not once--heard the drug industry, regulatory
agencies, the government or anyone else saying that this
practice was unsafe. And personally, I think it is outright
derogatory to claim that Americans would not be able to
handle reimportation of drugs, when the rest of the educated
world can do this.
This from Dr. Rost. He actually paid a price for speaking out and speaking the truth. He actually was working for Pfizer Pharmaceuticals at the time. He has had a little problem with his employer, but that is another story perhaps for another day. But Dr. Rost said it right, in my judgment.
Let me, if I might, show this quote from Tommy Thompson, former Health and Human Services Secretary. He says:
The law is this: In order to import drugs from any country,
and especially Canada, I have to certify that all those drugs
are safe. That's an impossible thing. If Congress wants to
import drugs, they should take that provision out, because
the Secretary of Health and Human Services cannot certify
that all drugs coming into America are safe.
Let me tell you something about Tommy Thompson. I like Tommy Thompson. He was a Governor from Wisconsin. That's a guy with spirit. I kind of like him. In fact, I think he is thinking about running for President. I probably will not vote for him because I am going to vote for a Democrat in this coming election, but I like Tommy Thompson. Do you know what he said to me at the elevator, right outside this Senate door after he left Health and Human Services? He was getting off the elevator as I was coming on the elevator, and I had been down to see him about this issue of reimportation of prescription drugs. I said: Secretary Thompson, why don't you work with us to get this done?
He said: I can't.
He explained there are lots of things going on, including the White House makes the call on this policy, et cetera. At any rate, after he left as Secretary of HHS, he was coming off an elevator out here and I was getting on the elevator. We said hello. I like him. I think he was a good Secretary.
He turned around and said to me: Byron, he said, keep going on that imported drug issue. You are right about that. You are right about that.
That is after he left office. He comes from Wisconsin. He knows. That is a State that borders Canada. He knows his constituents are able to just go miles up into Canada and seek prescription drugs for a fraction of the price.
Let me respond for a moment to this issue of safety because my colleague from Mississippi and others have spoken about it. David Kessler, he served for 8 years as FDA Commissioner. He is a terrific public servant. In my judgment, there has been none better than Dr. Kessler over at the FDA. Here is what he said:
[The Dorgan-Snowe bill] provides a sound framework for
assuring that imported drugs are safe and effective. Most
notably, it provides additional resources to the agency to
run such a program, oversight by the FDA of the chain of
custody of imported drugs back to FDA-inspected plants, a
mechanism to review imported drugs to ensure that they meet
FDA's approval standards, and the registration and oversight
of importers and exporters to assure that imported drugs meet
those standards and are not counterfeit.
Let me make one with respect to this. A couple of my colleagues stood on the floor and said: Well, you would create a giant bureaucracy in order to do this. That is interesting. The Congressional Budget Office actually scored this bill we have introduced. Do you know what the score was? This will save $50 billion in a 10-year period.
With a ``b,'' $50 billion; just over $5 billion of that savings is to the Federal Government; just about $45 billion of that savings is to the American consumer. Is that an illusion? No, that is the score we have.
We come to the floor of the Senate and the question is asked: Whom do you stand for? Whom do you stand with? Some will say: You know what, we believe--they will not say that. I do not believe they will stand and say: We believe the current surprising strategy is right, by which Americans are charged the highest price. I don't think they will say that. I think what they will see is we think there are serious safety issues with this.
Let me again refer back to the expert who would perhaps know more about this than any other American. I have heard things read on the floor of the Senate by the assistant this or the assistant that. The last assistant we had come over to a hearing I held had not even read the bill. That is some assistant. At any rate, we don't have to worry about assistants. Let's worry about Dr. David Kessler, who I think is the preeminent authority. He said we can do this; we can do this, and it will make the drug supply in this country safer.
I wish to talk about the issue of safety. It is not as if prescription drugs are not coming into this country from other countries. They, of course, are. Our pharmaceutical industry, and others, manufacture all over the world and then they ship these drugs into our country to be sold here. But there is a law that prohibits anyone other than the manufacturer to ship them in. Lipitor is made in Dublin, Ireland; Nexium is made in France; Tricor is made in France; Actos is made in Japan; Vytorin is made in Singapore and Italy and the United Kingdom. Those are pills made elsewhere, the medicines are made there and they are shipped here. Are they safe? Sure. I believe they are safe. I believe we have an enormously safe drug supply, despite the fright that is discussed on the floor of the Senate about counterfeiting.
Is counterfeiting an issue? Sure, it is. It has nothing to do with this subject. Counterfeiting exists now and we have to take action and steps to fight it and we should fight it aggressively. But the fact is, this legislation that we introduce has a range of safety features that will guarantee the safety of FDA-approved prescription drugs that are imported into this country.
First of all, we provide that only FDA-approved medicines with a ``chain of custody'' will be sent into this country. Dr. Mark McClellan, who used to head the FDA, and I was very critical of him because he continued to speak as if he represented the pharmaceutical industry instead of regulating it as head of the FDA, he and I had substantial differences, but even he said the chain of custody in Canada is safe, almost identical to the chain of custody for prescription drugs in the United States.
If that is the case, and he said it, then tell me with respect to this risk,
I go to a little one-room drug store in Emerson, Canada, with a woman named ``Sylvia'' and a number of other senior citizens. We take a little bus up to a one-room drugstore in Emerson, Canada, and they bring their prescriptions.
That drug store has a licensed pharmacist, as the drug store a few miles south of the border has, a licensed pharmacist and a chain of custody from the drug manufacturer to the wholesaler to the retailer to the drug store. We go to that drug store and Sylvia and her friends buy prescription drugs at a fraction of the price they would have bought it in Fargo, ND, that morning. Tell me, is there a risk in that transaction? The answer is no. Don't represent there is because there is not.
The chain of custody is nearly identical. I am speaking now of Canada. Tell me there is a risk and you are wrong, there is not.
All the protestation on the floor of the Senate on this issue is protestation in support of the pharmaceutical industry. I like the industry. I have been helpful to them. I support research and development tax credits to find new prescription drugs. I have done a number of things to say I want us to be able to have a successful pharmaceutical industry in this country. But I am not willing to go so far as to say it is OK to me, I will be quiet if you decide the pricing strategy is we are going to price our prescription drugs at the highest prices for the American consumer. I will not sit in this chair and say it is fine with me. It is not, and that ought not be fine for any Member of the Senate. It should not.
Let me make some comments on safety. One-quarter of the prescription drugs taken in this country are produced outside this country in foreign manufacturing plants. In the last 5 years, the FDA has inspected more than 850 foreign drug factories in 41 different countries. The drug industry wants to take advantage of the global economy to manufacture their drugs in lower cost countries, but they do not want a licensed U.S. pharmacist and drug wholesalers to be able to take advantage of the global economy to get the best price for the American consumer.
Let me say that again. The pharmaceutical industry wants to take advantage of the global economy for the purpose of their manufacture and profitability, but they do not want a licensed U.S. pharmacist or licensed wholesaler to be able to access those same drugs from a licensed wholesaler or pharmacist in another country in order to pass along lower prices to the American consumer. I do not think that is right.
We have addressed all the issues that have been raised by two former Secretaries of Health and Human Services, saying in order for me to certify, we need to have this and that. We have addressed those safety issues in this legislation. Yet if you listen to the opponents who stand on the floor of the Senate with the talking points, there are safety and security issues and all these issues--I mean I have gotten the talking points, too, from the pharmaceutical industry. Heck, if I were in their position, I would want to keep this situation as long as possible. You have a good deal, don't give it up.
But one of my colleagues yesterday, speaking on the floor, said: The people who are offering this amendment--and again this amendment goes from Senator Kennedy to Senator McCain to Senator Grassley to Senator Stabenow back and forth, Republicans and Democrats. One Senator, one of my colleagues, stood up and said there are political motives.
I said I hope you don't mean that, and I hope you will withdraw that. This is a thoughtful serious debate. There are plenty of people who feel strongly in opposition to my amendment. Fine. But then you should stand and debate the proposition that you support. We support the current situation. We support the circumstance in which a pricing policy that prices the prescription drugs higher for the U.S. consumer is already with us. That ought to be the proposition you stand and support.
You ought not stand and say there are significant safety issues here because that is not the case. It is not.
There is much to say, and a number of my colleagues will continue to debate this issue. My own view is this is a hard issue to get passed on the floor of the Senate. I say that having had some experience with it.
I must say I admire the pharmaceutical industry. They have been tough opponents. They feel strongly about their profitability. They say a couple of things. No. 1, this is unsafe. It is not. No. 2, it would somehow exacerbate counterfeiting. It will not. Counterfeiting now exists. We need to address that, but this would in many ways make the supply of drugs safer. They say a number of other things they believe-- that this would cause the American people to change their buying habits in ways that would be unhelpful to them. They believe you do not have a chain of custody that you can control or see that is transparent. That is not true.
You know, I mentioned earlier about this issue of the industry itself. I want the pharmaceutical industry to succeed. They succeeded. This has been a very successful industry. They have made a great deal of money. But on this issue of research and development, I want them to engage in research and development. We are doing it here in the public sector of the NIH. We turn that material over to the pharmaceutical industry. They do research and development. Good for them. They spend a massive amount of money on promotion and development. I think that is of some concern for a number of people, but I am not here saying I do not want the pharmaceutical industry to succeed. There are those who also say, in addition to safety and other issues, they will say, all right, if you do not allow a pricing policy that prices prescription drugs at the highest level for the American consumer, it will mean less research and development by the pharmaceutical industry.
The fact is, more research and development has gone on in other countries in which they charged lower prices for the same prescription drugs. So how does that hold water? It does not. My hope is, at long last, perhaps, this Senate will stand up for the interests of the American consumer. At long last, we can put to bed these specious arguments about safety because they are not applicable. Read the bill. These arguments about safety are not accurate. Let's put to bed this connection between counterfeiting. It is not accurate. Let's also stop talking about how this would shut off research and development. That is not accurate.
Let's talk about what this bill would do, what this piece of legislation, this amendment we have now offered is. It would save about $50 billion over 10 years, $5 billion a year. It would probably require the drug industry to reprice for sure because, the fact is, if they are pricing at the highest levels to the American people, and they say that is the only way they can recover their costs, perhaps others ought to be paying more to recover costs. I don't know. I am saying that the industry, I believe the top seven U.S. pharmaceutical companies, a couple of years ago made $34 billion together. The industry has done very well. But there are a whole lot of folks in this country who haven't.
It was about 9:30 one night in a tiny town north of Highway 2 in North Dakota. I had a town meeting. At the end of the town meeting, an older woman came up to me, and she was probably in her early eighties. She said: Mr. Senator, may I speak to you? I said: Sure. She grabbed my elbow with her hand. She began to speak. Her eyes welled up with tears and her chin began to quiver. She said: I am in my eighties. I don't have much money. She said: I have got heart disease and diabetes. My doctor prescribes medicines for me that are too expensive. I cannot afford them. Is there any way you can help me, Mr. Senator? Is there a way you can help me?
This woman, with tears in her eyes, was asking: Is there someone who can help me manage this disease of mine because I cannot afford these medicines?
We have taken steps to try to be helpful. I might say that some in the drug industry have taken steps by offering programs to low-income people. It is not enough. But I commend those who have and recognize it. But we should not have to do that in this country. We should not have the highest prices for prescription drugs. We should not have an 80-year-old woman driving
to Canada to pay four-fifths less in cost for Tamoxifen to treat her breast cancer. That should not happen.
So let's do this. Let's create a regime of safety--which we have done. Wonder about it? Go talk to Dr. David Kessler. You find a better expert, you tell me his name. We have created a regime of safety here that will work. Then let us decide to proceed, as Europe has done, as others have done, to allow the global marketplace to work for real people, to work for ordinary folks, not only the big interests. The big interests always do well. At the end of the day, when all of the dust settles, and all of the shouting is over, guess who almost always wins. Yes: Them that's got is them that gets and I ain't got nothing lately. I think that was Ray Charles.
Isn't that always the case? When the dust settles, the big interests always win. Let's hope when the dust settles here tomorrow morning, and we have a vote on something that is important, is something that will help a lot of American people, millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions, let's hope when the dust settles here, ordinary Americans will say, you know what. We won today in the Senate. Hallelujah, we won a vote in the Senate. Let's hope that is the case tomorrow morning.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I have listened to some of the debate on the floor of the Senate in opposition to the amendment I have offered with many colleagues dealing with the reimportation of prescription drugs. Especially entertaining was to hear the Senator from New Hampshire, Mr. Gregg, describe North Dakota wheatfields. The Senate is a place of fascinating and interesting debate. I expect we will have more of that in the coming hours, leading up to a vote tomorrow on a cloture motion on this amendment.
The continued and insistent reference to this amendment posing safety risks, or risks of unsafe prescription drugs, is at odds with everything we know to be the case. I described Dr. David Kessler, and I suggested if anybody knows a more important, better informed expert than Dr. David Kessler, who was head of the FDA for nearly 8 years, tell me his or her name. I described the statement that Dr. David Kessler made that says this will make the prescription drug supply safer. In fact, the regime of safety we have put into this amendment is appropriate, important, and will mean that we will be able to allow reimportation without a safety risk.
Despite the evidence, we continue to hear this issue. I was thinking, as I was listening to this a while ago, about the Lincoln-Douglas debates, when Lincoln became enormously exasperated at one point and he said to Douglas: Tell me, how many legs does a horse have?
Douglas said: Well, four, of course.
Lincoln said: Now, if you were to call the tail of a horse a leg, then how many legs would a horse have?
Douglas said: Well, five.
Lincoln said: You see, that is where you are wrong. Just because you call the tail a leg doesn't make it a leg at all.
The same principle holds true now on the floor of the Senate. You can say what you want, but that doesn't make it true. Safety issues? That doesn't exist in the amendment we are talking about. This will make the drug supply safer. While I am speaking of Lincoln and Douglas, let me say something else that Lincoln said, which has always been interesting to me. He was describing his opponent's arguments. He said: Your argument is as thin as the homeopathic soup made from boiling the shadow of a pigeon that has been starved to death.
Wasn't Abraham Lincoln wonderful? That description can still exist for some of the arguments we are hearing these days on some of these issues.
I hope my colleague was not serious a few moments ago when he said this is an amendment that is not worthy and is put out by a bunch of people who want to put out press releases and aren't concerned about the safety of the drug supply. My colleague surely doesn't mean to say that Senators Grassley, McCain, Snowe, and Collins on his side and Senators Kennedy, Stabenow, Brown, and so many on our side--the 33 Senators who have come to a serious issue with a thoughtful proposal-- did so because they want a press release. My colleague knows better than that. He perhaps ought to tell the Senate he knows better than that.
I respect those who disagree with this amendment. I hope they will respect as well our determination to correct something we see as a serious problem. When my colleague says we don't want to give up our lead, describing our lead in pharmaceuticals and the development of prescription drugs, I don't want to give that up. Let me tell you another lead we don't want to give up; that is, the lead in providing the highest prices in the world to the American consumer who needs prescription drugs. That is a lead we ought to relinquish right now. I wonder if my colleague would agree with that.
Mr. President, this is an interesting debate, a useful debate. It will conclude tomorrow with the vote. My colleague from Michigan, Senator Stabenow, has gone across the bridge that connects our two countries, taken busloads of senior citizens and has been involved in this issue for many years, believing that we ought to insist on fair pricing for prescription drugs for the American people. I am pleased that she was one of the people who helped put together the bill introduced by 33 Senators, and I am pleased that she is a strong advocate for the amendment that we have added to this piece of underlying legislation.
I yield the floor.