Madam Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 202, I call up the bill (H.R. 807) to require that the Government prioritize all obligations on the debt held by the public in the event that the debt…
Madam Speaker, pursuant to House Resolution 202, I call up the bill (H.R. 807) to require that the Government prioritize all obligations on the debt held by the public in the event that the debt limit is reached, and ask for its immediate consideration.
Madam Speaker, I ask unanimous consent that all Members have 5 legislative days in which to revise and extend their remarks and to include extraneous material on H.R. 807.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
I rise today in support of H.R. 807, the Full Faith and Credit Act. This legislation credibly and permanently removes the threat of default on a U.S. debt payment and ensures that Social Security benefits are paid in full and on time.
The bill is really quite simple: it requires the Treasury Department to issue debt not subject to the statutory limit to make principal and interest payments. And here are the facts about who holds that debt: American families and businesses hold the overwhelming majority of U.S. debt--teacher pension funds, individual Americans, our military retirement fund, and the list goes on and on. So by ensuring that Treasury has the ability to honor our debt obligations, we are in fact ensuring Americans will be paid.
This legislation is the first step in protecting our credit rating. Two major credit rating agencies--Standard and Poor's and Moody's--have indicated that they differentiate between debt and other payments when determining whether or not to review our credit rating. To that end, this bill specifically addresses the default on U.S.
debt obligations that these agencies have identified.
Additionally, Standard & Poor's was crystal clear as to why it downgraded the U.S. credit rating following the debt negotiations in the summer of 2011, and I quote:
The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal
consolidation plan that Congress and the administration
recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be
necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt
dynamics.
In plain English, they downgraded the U.S. credit rating because we have not addressed the primary drivers of our debts and deficits.
It's nearly 2 years later, and neither the President nor congressional Democrats have offered a serious plan that would address the problems that caused the downgrade in the first place. This legislation places that responsibility on the Obama administration and encourages the President to be more involved with taming our debt, something Republicans have long called for.
Some critics of this legislation have claimed that it opens the door for Treasury to issue new debt for new spending or that it is simply raising the debt limit by another means. This is categorically false. This bill does not increase the debt limit. Instead, under this legislation, Treasury loses the authority to issue debt above the limit if doing so creates any room under the existing old debt limit.
Treasury may not issue new debt above the statutory limit again until the limit is reached. Additionally, any new debt issued to pay principal and interest is not exempt from the statutory limit unless issuing the new debt would cause Treasury to exceed the statutory limit.
The American people agree, and that support transcends party lines. A majority, 55 percent, support requiring the government to pay the principal and interest on the debt before it pays for other government expenses. Support for the proposal is strong among Republicans, 65 percent; Independents, 53 percent; while Democrat voters are split evenly between favor, 46, and opposed, 47.
Clearly, we cannot default on our debt. The consequences of doing so could be very serious. A default would at the very least hinder an already stagnant economic recovery, and, in a worst-case scenario, lead the country back into a recession.
Failure to make a debt payment will increase our borrowing costs and threaten our ability to make any of the other payments we owe. If signed into law, this legislation would prevent such an unacceptable situation.
The President and Congress must work to reduce the growing burden of our debt and deficits, but we must do so without imposing more tax increases on hardworking families and job creators. There are bipartisan policies we can enact to reduce wasteful Washington spending and preserve Social Security and Medicare for future generations.
The Ways and Means Committee has already begun to examine those policies and will continue to do so over the coming months. In the meantime, we must act to make it clear to the American people and the world economy that the U.S. will not default on a debt payment. The legislation before us accomplishes that important goal, and I would urge my colleagues to join me in voting for its passage today.
Madam Speaker, I reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself 15 seconds.
Since the gentleman raised the question of who holds our debt, this chart shows that the vast majority of our debt is held by Americans. That's a fact. Thirty percent of the debt is held by citizens, pension funds, and you go down the list. Two-thirds of our debt is held by Americans. We need to make sure that Americans are paid first.
With that, I would yield 3 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Texas, the chairman of the Social Security Subcommittee, Mr. Johnson.
Madam Speaker, at this time, I yield 2 minutes to a distinguished member of the Ways and Means Committee, the gentleman from Indiana (Mr. Young).
Madam Speaker, I yield to the gentleman from Tennessee (Mr. Duncan) for the purpose of a unanimous consent request.
(Mr. DUNCAN of Tennessee asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
At this time, I yield 5 minutes to the sponsor of the bill, the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. McClintock).
At this time, I yield 2 minutes to a distinguished member of the Ways and Means Committee, Dr. Boustany.
Madam Speaker, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Arkansas (Mr. Griffin), a distinguish member of the Ways and Means Committee.
I yield an additional 30 seconds to the gentleman.
I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Scalise).
I yield 2 minutes to the distinguished gentleman from California (Mr. LaMalfa).
Mr. LaMALFA I appreciate my colleague from Michigan allowing me to speak here today. My colleague from California, I'm glad to be a cosponsor of this very important measure.
``Full faith and credit,'' what does that mean? What does it mean to the American people? When we ask for them to send us to Washington, to send us to this august place, we're asking for their faith in what we do with their money, with their tax dollars.
And so when we report back to them, what does that look like to them? Have we upheld their faith? Have we done everything we can in this Nation to keep the credit rating of America on line?
This measure is a giant step towards keeping that faith, to paying our bills on time, to paying the types of things that keep our credit rating in a best possible fashion for our country.
We default on that, we put our whole economic system in peril. We drive up the cost of doing business for our government, and more tax dollars it costs to run our government when we do that.
We hear talk about pay China first. Well, that's kind of funny, because if we wouldn't do that kind of business with China, if we'd pay attention to our own level of spending and growing the economy of this country instead of having to do things that cause debt to go up higher, we wouldn't be having to contract with them for more debt.
So that comes back to this place here, reforming the way we do business. We don't need to run up more debt. We don't need to put ourselves in a position where we can't get together on getting the budget done, on getting the debt ceiling adjusted whatever it takes so we don't fall into this default position.
So I think this is a giant step in the right direction. I commend my colleagues for making this happen. And let's uphold the faith that we've asked of the people of this country by paying our bills on time, by paying the debt, the interest that it takes to keep our credit in line as best possible as we can in this country.
So this is a measure that deserves support and puts the priorities first. I ask for support for it.
I reserve the balance of my time, Madam Speaker.
I would like to include for the Record a letter from the Congressional Budget Office that says this bill has no budget impact.
U.S. Congress,
Congressional Budget Office,
Washington, DC, April 26, 2013
Hon. Dave Camp
Chairman, Committee on Ways and Means
House of Representatives, Washington, DC.
Dear Mr. Chairman: The Congressional Budget Office has
prepared the enclosed cost estimate for H.R. 807, the Full
Faith and Credit Act.
If you wish further details on this estimate, we will be
pleased to provide them. The CBO staff contact is Jared
Brewster.
Sincerely,
Robert A. Sunshine
(For Douglas W. Elmendorf, Director).
Enclosure.
Congressional Budget Office Cost Estimate
H.R. 807--Full Faith and Credit Act
H.R. 807 would allow the Department of the Treasury to
issue debt to pay principal and interest on debt held by the
public and debt held by the Old-Age and Survivors Insurance
Trust Fund and Disability Insurance Trust Fund, if the
statutory limit on debt is reached. The bill would require
the Treasury to provide a weekly report to the House
Committee on Ways and Means and Senate Committee on Finance
outlining the exempted transactions until a new debt limit is
enacted.
CBO estimates that enacting H.R. 807, by itself, would
result in no costs or savings to the federal government
because it would not change any of the government's tax or
spending policies. Therefore, pay-as-you-go procedures do not
apply. In addition, CBO estimates that the bill would not
significantly add to the Treasury's administrative costs.
H.R. 807 contains no intergovernmental or private-sector
mandates as defined in the Unfunded Mandates Reform Act.
The CBO staff contact for this estimate is Jared Brewster.
This estimate was approved by Peter H. Fontaine, Assistant
Director for Budget Analysis.
In August of 2010, Chairman Admiral Mullen said that the most significant threat to our national security was our debt. And since that time, we have added hundreds of billions of dollars to our national debt.
I reserve the balance of my time.
I have no further speakers.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Madam Speaker, I think it's helpful in a debate like this to start with the facts. And I would just say it's illustrative of just how out of touch and irresponsible the other side is when they assert that our debt is $14 trillion. Our debt is over $16 trillion. They've just lost $2 trillion? No wonder they don't think this is an urgent problem. They don't even know what our debt is.
This legislation is very similar to 1996, legislation that was passed in a bipartisan vote and was signed by then-Democrat President Bill Clinton.
Many States guarantee their government debt, or what is often called their sovereign debt, and they have done that for decades. If we default on our government or sovereign debt, the consequences are so severe that no one gets paid--our military, our seniors, our veterans, our farmers. All Americans deserve a strong economy, and that means getting our debt under control.
And let's just clear up another fact. The top two-thirds of our debt is held by Americans and their retirement funds, including the U.S. military retirement fund.
Now, one reason we're in this position is that this administration has racked up more than $5 trillion in debt, more than the previous four Presidents added together. That's why we're in this situation. We have a debt problem. This legislation ensures that the debt of the United States will be paid.
So I urge support for H.R. 807, and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I have an amendment at the desk.
Madam Speaker, H.R. 807, the Full Faith and Credit Act, permanently takes default off the table, as we've been debating, but this amendment makes a couple of simple
changes. It clarifies that any debt issued pursuant to this bill may not be used to pay salaries of Members of Congress--of the House and of the Senate.
It also makes clear that each and every time the Secretary of the Treasury uses the authority provided in the bill, that the Secretary must report weekly on the amount of debt issued and the reason for the issuance to ensure transparency so that Congress is fully informed.
So I urge support for my straightforward amendment and support for the underlying bill and reserve the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I yield myself the balance of my time.
I just wanted to say I also have great respect for the gentleman from Maryland who spoke a couple of speakers ago, who is the distinguished minority whip. We have worked closely together on other issues as well.
I would just say that this legislation is very similar to legislation that was passed in a bipartisan way in 1996 and signed by then- President Bill Clinton. So, this is not something that is brand-new in terms of an approach for this Congress to take when dealing and struggling with debt and our debt issues.
I think it is also important to remember as we go through this debate that now our debt is larger than our entire economy and that the debt that has been incurred under this administration is larger than the debt of the previous four Presidents. We have a path that is unsustainable that has gotten worse, and this has gone on for far too long.
I think it is important, though, that we make these clarifying points in this amount. Clearly, we've heard a lot about demagoguery about who gets paid first. The vast majority of our debt is held by Americans. Americans and the U.S. military retirees will be paid first under this bill; and their retirement funds, their pensions, their savings, that's very important.
This is about making sure that the debt of the United States--that the United States has incurred, not the ongoing payments, but the debt of the United States--is paid. That takes default off the table. That allows us then to move forward to get the larger bipartisan solutions on this growing and difficult problem with our debt that we need to address.
The amendment makes it clear that Members of Congress' salaries won't be paid, that any debt issued will not pay that. It also makes clear that the Secretary of the Treasury must report weekly on the amount of debt. We need transparency. We often don't get the latest information. We need that, both House and Senate. So, this is a straightforward amendment. It's clarifying.
I urge support for the amendment, I urge support for the underlying bill,
and I yield back the balance of my time.
Madam Speaker, I reserve a point of order against the motion to recommit.
Madam Speaker, I withdraw my point of order and seek time in opposition to the motion.
Madam Speaker, you know, this body just spent the last hour listening to the other side saying how we can't default. But the irony of this motion to recommit is it actually mandates default. The irony of this motion is that it mandates default that would send our economy into a tailspin. It would ensure that nobody gets paid.
Vote ``no'' on this motion to recommit.
I yield back the balance of my time.