National Defense Authorization Act For Fiscal Year 2007
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from North Dakota. He covered such a wide range of issues with such depth and integrity that is really quite extraordinary. We are ready for his amendment. I think he is prepared to proceed with the…
Mr. President, I thank the Senator from North Dakota. He covered such a wide range of issues with such depth and integrity that is really quite extraordinary. We are ready for his amendment. I think he is prepared to proceed with the amendment. We look forward to hearing from him on that matter.
Mr. President, first let me compliment the Senator from North Dakota. He has been absolutely steadfast on this issue. He has made a major contribution on this issue.
If the Senator will stay for a moment, I want to ask him a question about the Truman Committee which he has made reference to. Perhaps I will make a brief statement and then ask him if he concurs with this history.
When then Senator Truman was appointed to head up the special committee to look into the abuses of contracting during World War II, he did an incredible job for a lot of reasons. One, he took on the abuse, the waste, the fraud that existed. He unearthed it. He brought it out in the daylight. He made a major contribution to our troops and to the taxpayers. It was such an important contribution that his temporary ad hoc special committee then became a Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.
So that the origin of our Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations which now exists over at the Homeland Security Committee was the special Truman Committee. That is how big an impact that Truman Committee had. And I am wondering whether or not that little bit of history shows us in addition to all of the reasons that were given by the Senator from North Dakota how vitally important these special committees can be, what a contribution they can make to the war effort and to saving taxpayers' dollars.
I again thank the Senator from North Dakota for the amendment and I hope that we can get some bipartisan support for it.
There have been reports on abuses. Reports are no substitute for hearings. When you have hearings following a special committee investigation, you have people who are put under oath, who are in the public spotlight so that we can bring a focus on these whistleblower complaints, and that is what has been missing. We have not had a place where the whistleblowers and the people who defend against their charges are brought together, both put under oath in a public forum so that we can then try to end what seems to be so clearly the abuses which have existed.
One of these contracts is a $10 billion contract-plus, basically. It is for indefinite delivery of goods, and it is for an indefinite amount quantitatively. So you have this contract which exists with Hallliburton or the company that they own which allows them to have the total, complete, unilateral sole-source ability to be given a work order--sometimes the money is agreed upon in advance, sometimes the amount of the contract is not agreed to until afterwards--indefinite delivery for indefinite quantities of indefinite goods.
Now, that kind of a contract just automatically lends itself to abuses, which should not happen here. This is something I spoke about yesterday. There should have been at least two and perhaps three contractors who were put in the exclusive contract to provide goods and services in support of the troops.
This is an open-ended contract of undefined scope which then later on billions of dollars of work orders are then put in place. It just lends itself to excess and to abuse. This is something again which I have spoken on a number of times. You need to have competition--not just for who is going to get an open-ended contract but in the implementation of work orders you need some competition. The only way you are going to get it in this circumstance when we are at war is if you have two or three contractors that are awarded these so-called IDIQ contracts so that when it comes to supplying the goods underneath it, they can compete against each other. It is the only hope that you have for a fair price for an amount of goods that is not known at the beginning but which has to be then supplied during the contract.
What these hearings which Senator Dorgan has spearheaded have shown is this kind of a contract and the potential for abuse that it leads to. It has raised all kinds of questions as to whether Halliburton overcharged the Coalition Provisional Authority for several million dollars for oil that was purchased in Kuwait and delivered to Iraq.
It raised the question of whether Halliburton overcharged the Department of Defense for thousands of meals that were not actually served.
It raised the question of whether Halliburton had the estimating subcontracting and financial management systems needed to run two multi-billion-dollar contracts in Iraq.
It raised the question of why did Halliburton receive a follow-on contract for the reconstruction of the Iraqi oil industry at a time when the DCAA, the Defense Contract Audit Agency, had warned that the company's systems were not up to this challenge.
It raised the question, these hearings that were spearhead by Senator Dorgan, as to whether Halliburton knowingly supplied our troops with spoiled food or unsafe drinking water.
It raised the question as to whether Halliburton intentionally withheld information from the Government to avoid raising questions about the quality of its performance.
There have been only two hearings in our subcommittee. I compliment our chairman. Our committee and our subcommittee every year have to deal with a bill, and this bill is in the Chamber. It takes a huge amount of our time as a practical matter. The two subcommittees that have hearings on this issue which Senator Dorgan raises simply have not been able to put in the kind of time that a special Truman Committee can to focus on this kind of issue. And that is why I very much support the appointment by the Senate of a Truman Committee on Iraq contracting.
When you have this many tens of billions of dollars which are being spent and when you have allegations by whistleblowers, people who are in the know, that we have been unable to get into or have not gotten into for one reason or another, they have not been investigated or overseen by the other committee that might do this, this really needs a focus if we are going to have some credibility in the expenditure of these huge amounts of money in the Iraq war. And this should be done on a bipartisan basis. It would be with a Truman Committee. It needs to be done in a way which is free of any kind of political taint or political slant. But it needs to be done. We have to restore credibility and confidence in this contracting system, and the only way we are going to do that I can see is to have a bipartisan Truman-like committee that spends the time, has the staff focus on it, making recommendations which I think will be similar to the ones that were defeated yesterday but they should not be prejudged. In any event, it could make recommendations to this body, and I would hope we would all welcome those kinds of recommendations.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
I have been on that committee as long as I have been here.
That subcommittee has a major agenda and a whole host of areas that the chairman has identified, frequently with my support, and it has a very full plate. This committee, our committee, has something that that committee does not have, and that is we have the knowledge, we have the information because we are the committee that specializes in the work of Halliburton in the field. We are the people who have the experience in terms of what the troops need and how it is provided to the troops. And so our committee also has the ability to handle these hearings. Neither committee has seen fit, either because it has too full a plate already--and I think our committee from firsthand knowledge is in that situation--has a very full plate, and therefore has not been able or for whatever reason has decided not to look at what are clearly excesses which need to be reviewed.
So it is a matter of finding, identifying Senators who have an interest in this matter who would focus on this
matter because of the attention that it deserves.
Now, it could be an outside commission. If the chairman would prefer that there be an outside commission to do this, perhaps Senator Dorgan would be willing to do it. But this requires a major undertaking with an investigative--you have to identify and set out special staff that will do the investigations on this, and then prepare for hearings. If our committee were able to do this, I would be all for it.
There have been requests--I believe from the chairman of the Homeland Security Committee--to get into this. And if the chairman would be willing to sign a letter with me making another request to that chairman to try to find time in either her committee work or in Senator Coleman's committee, I would again be very happy to join in that request.
If we are unable do that on our committee, which we have not been able to do anything that needs to be done here--and I understand the time pressures on the committee because of this annual bill we have; I know what is on the plate over at the Governmental Affairs Committee and on the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations--
That is exactly right. I have been there throughout my tenure. I am personally familiar with the work they have undertaken. But if Senator Warner would be willing to sign a request to Senator Collins, I would be delighted to join in that.
That would be fine.
I am on that committee, as you pointed out. I know the workload they have. Just yesterday, they completed a markup on one bill which took 2 days. I don't know of any people who work harder in the Senate than do Senator Collins and Senator Lieberman.
That would be fine.
Reserving the right to object, and I will not, I just wonder if the Senator would identify the Senator who has sponsored the amendment so that they will hear their amendments have now been cleared.
I thank the chairman.
I was hoping the Senator was referring to Iraq, but since he is referring to our bill, I also see that we ought to be able to finish this next week. We will have a good debate on Iraq, I guess probably next Tuesday. Next Monday, I believe we have an amendment lined up.
On your side of the aisle. After Senator Dorgan offered his today, it would then go to your side of the aisle to offer the next amendment, if we want to keep that informal order which has been established.
Then we could perhaps pick up the debate on the Dorgan amendment on Monday after the debate on the judge.
I wouldn't want to speak for the Senator from Massachusetts. I
do believe, though, he is working on an amendment. There will be at least two amendments on this side relative to Iraq.
There is one Senator Jack Reed and I are working on, and I think there is one Senator Kerry is working on. I can't speak for others. There may be a number of amendments on this side.
Mr. President, we believe there are a number of amendments which will need debate. It would be useful for all Senators on either Monday or Tuesday morning, if they could, to let us know what amendments they are planning on offering so we could get an estimate--I know you would agree as the floor manager--as to how many amendments are out there.
I think we might be better off not formalizing it.