Reserving the right to object, I just want to know if the Senator from California understands that the vote on the second Feinstein amendment would be at 4:00 and that the debate would begin at 3:00, with that hour equally divided. So is a…
Reserving the right to object, I just want to know if the Senator from California understands that
the vote on the second Feinstein amendment would be at 4:00 and that the debate would begin at 3:00, with that hour equally divided.
So is a 4 o'clock vote after an hour of debate acceptable?
So it is agreeable, then, that there will be an hour of debate on the second amendment starting at 3 o'clock with a vote at 4 o'clock?
I also ask unanimous consent that there be no second- degree amendments to the Feinstein amendment.
Before the Senator yields time to the Senator----
Will the Senator refrain for 1 minute? While Senator Feinstein is here, I understand it is now preferable from our leader that the vote be at 2 o'clock, not immediately following this half-hour debate.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the vote, which was previously scheduled to occur at the end of the half hour of debate on this amendment, now be rescheduled for 2 o'clock.
Madam President, relative to the time between that half hour and 2 o'clock, that time, hopefully, would be used. It will be by me for my remarks on this amendment, by the way, because after the 30 minutes, if it is used totally, I would want an opportunity to speak during that time, if necessary in morning business. But there are other amendments we believe can be voice voted during that period of time, I believe my friend from Arizona would agree. So that time will be fruitfully used. But the time now is 2 o'clock for the vote on that first Feinstein amendment.
I thank my friend.
It will continue to be our intent. It was objected to before. But we hope that objection will be removed. If it is not removed, we will have to have all these votes at the end of the day instead of during the day.
No. I agree with what the Senator said and what the intent is here; that, hopefully, we could have an hour debate starting at 3 o'clock. We will try to lock that in at a later time, after giving folks notice. But if there is objection to votes before the time runs out, the 30-hour clock runs out, then we will have to have all those votes after the 30-hour clock runs out, and it does not make any sense to do that. But if there is going to be an objection, then that is the way it will have to be.
What Senator McCain is saying--and I totally agree with him--is, even if we are put in that position, which I hope we are not, that at least we could use the time between now and then for debate on those amendments which we would have to vote on at a later time. I totally agree with my friend from Arizona.
Would the Senator yield for a question?
On my time. Quick question. After the 30 minutes expires, because we are not going to have a vote now, there would be additional time should the Senator need it after that 30 minutes.
Madam President, I have no objection.
While Senator Graham is on the floor, I ask unanimous consent to have a colloquy with him about this section 1032, the section at issue.
I very much appreciate Senator Graham's remarks. He said the provision provides for military custody as a beginning or starting point. I wonder whether he would agree that not only is it a beginning point, but it is only for a narrow group of people who are determined to be al-Qaida or their supporters.
Would the Senator also agree with me that under the provision in the bill, on page 360--we were told that civilian trials are preferable to military trials, preferable to the detention of an unlawful combatant. Does the Senator agree that every one of those options is open to the executive branch and that there is no preference stated, one way or the other, for which approach is taken to people who are detained?
Yes.
That is exactly the point. This language, when it is described as language that says somehow or other it works against using civilian courts, is from folks who haven't read our language. The language is explicit. On page 360, lines 3 through 14 in the bill, it says the disposition of a person under the law of war may include the following--and then they talk about detention under the law of war, trial under title X, which is the military trial, transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction; that is, article III courts, and transfer or return of custody to the country of origin. There are no others. There is no preference stated for which of those venues would be selected by the executive branch.
That is absolutely true. Senator Graham brought to the floor something that was stated this morning by the top lawyer for the Obama administration. I think everybody ought to listen to this. There has been so much confusion about what is in the bill and what isn't. Right now, there is authority to detain U.S. citizens as enemy combatants. That authority exists right now. That is not me saying it, that is the Supreme Court that has said it as recently as Hamdi, when they said there is no bar to this Nation holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant. That is current law. That is the Supreme Court saying that. Then, the Supreme Court also said in Hamdi that they see no reason for drawing a line because a citizen, no less than an alien, can be part of supporting forces hostile to the United States or coalition partners and engaged in armed conflict against the United States.
Top lawyers for the President, this morning, acknowledged this. I wish every one of our colleagues could hear what Senator Graham brought to the floor. Top national security lawyers in the administration say U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida.
Are we then going to adopt an amendment that says to al-Qaida that if you attack us overseas, you are subject to military detention; but if you come here and attack us, you are not subject to military detention? That is what the first Feinstein amendment says.
I am sorry, I was distracted.
They have, and they have been held accountable.
There was a naturalized citizen involved in Quirin, who was arrested, as I understand it, on Long Island, and who was charged with crimes involving aiding and supporting the enemy.
And military detention.
Exactly. By the way, I think executed.
That is correct.
It is an issue, absolutely.
I do. And the top lawyers of the administration acknowledged as much this morning when they said U.S. citizens are legitimate military targets when they take up arms with al-Qaida.
The provisions we are talking about in section 1032, which Senator Feinstein would modify so that it is only al-Qaida abroad who would be subject to this presumption of a military detention, but al-Qaida who come here--and, by the way, American citizens are not even covered under 1032. But the foreign al-Qaida fighters who come here to attack us are not going to be subject to that presumption of military detention which, again, can be waived. It has nothing to do with in what venue they are tried. The administration, the Executive, has total choice on that. It is just whether we are going to start with an assumption if they are determined to be al-Qaida, if they are a foreign al-Qaida person, they sure as heck ought to be subject to that same assumption whether they attack us here or whether they attack us overseas.
I wouldn't want to try to hold that position.
It has been made part of the battlefield without any doubt. On September 11, the war was brought here by al-Qaida. How do we suggest that a foreign al-Qaida member should not be subject to an assumption to begin with, if they are determined to be al-Qaida, that they are going to be detained--that we should not start with that assumption--subject to procedures which the administration adopts. It is totally in their hands. It cannot interfere with a civilian interrogation. It cannot interfere with civilian intelligence. We are very specific about it. The procedures are written by the executive branch. They can try them anywhere they want.
But if they bring a war here--they bring a war here--we are going to create an assumption that they can be subject, and are going to be subject, to military detention.
If I can interrupt, we have that right abroad against members of al-Qaida. But under this approach we would not be able to assume that military detention at home, again, subject to waiver and subject to all the other protections we have.
We could do that if we captured them in Afghanistan, but here we are going to be treating them differently. It ought to probably be worse. In other words, people who bring the war here, it seems to me, at a minimum ought to be subject to the same rules of interrogation as they would be if they were captured and part of al-Qaida in Afghanistan.
I don't understand the theory behind this. As a matter of fact, when we adopted the authorization for use of military force, it would seem to me the first people we would want to apply the authority of that authorization to would be al-Qaida members who attack this country.
The only group that is protected.
Exactly.
Mr. President, I understand there are other Senators who may be coming over to speak, and I will be happy to yield the floor whenever that happens because this is the time which is not structured before the scheduled vote at 2 p.m. But if I can continue, then, until another Senator comes to the floor, I want to just expand on this one point which has been made which has to do with whether there is something in this section of ours that would allow our military to patrol our streets. We have heard that.
Well, we have a posse comitatus law in this country. That law embodies a very fundamental principle that our military does not patrol our streets. There is nothing in section 1032 or anywhere else in this bill that would permit our military to patrol our streets.
I think Senator Graham is probably more familiar with what I am going to say than perhaps any of our colleagues. We have a posse comitatus statute in this country. It makes it a crime for the military to execute law enforcement functions inside the United States.
That is unchanged. That law is unchanged by anything in this bill.
I think we had a fear a couple hundred years ago that that might happen.
That is why we have very carefully pointed this provision 1032 to a very narrow group of people--people who are determined to be members of or associated with al-Qaida.
Then the question becomes, Well, how is that determination made? What are the procedures for that? The answer is it is left up to the executive branch to determine those procedures. Can there be any interference with the civilian law enforcement folks who are interrogating people that they arrest? If someone tries to blow up Times Square and they are being interrogated by the FBI, is there any interference with that interrogation? None. We explicitly say that there is no such interference.
What about people who are seeking to observe illegal conduct? Is there any interference with that? There is none. We specifically say those procedures shall not interfere with that kind of observation, seeking intelligence. We are not interfering with the civilian prosecution, with the civilian law enforcement at all.
The rules to determine whether someone is a member of al-Qaida are rules which the executive branch is going to write. They can't say, Well, this thing authorizes the interference with civilian interrogation when, as a matter of fact, it specifically says it won't, and the procedures to determine whether somebody is governed by this assumption are going to be written by the FBI and the Justice Department and the executive branch. And, on top of that, there is a waiver.
That guarantee is called habeas corpus. It has been in our law. It is untouched by anything in this bill. Quite the opposite; we actually enhance the procedures here. The Senator from South Carolina has been very much a part of the effort here.
With all the risks that are entailed of being misunderstood and all the rest. That is something the Senator from South Carolina has engaged in, to try to see if we can put down what the detention rules are--by the way, ``are''--because as the administration itself said in its statement of administration policy, the authorities codified in this section--authorities codified in section 1031 they are referring to--those authorities already exist.
Not only is what the Senator said accurate, but we have done something else in this bill. There is an Executive order that was issued some years ago that said there should be a periodic review process for folks who are being detained under the law of war. Because it is so unclear as to when this war ends, there is real concern about that. What do we do about that? So in this bill what we require the executive branch to do--and I am now quoting from section 1035--is to adopt procedures for implementing a periodic review process. Those procedures don't exist now. They are not formalized. So we want to formalize them for the very reason that the Senator from South Carolina addressed: because we want to make sure that since we don't know when this particular war is going to end, it is kind of hard to define it and everyone is concerned about that, you have got to have review procedures. The greatest review procedure of all is habeas corpus. But there are also requirements in the Executive order for a periodic review process of whether somebody is still a threat or not a threat, for instance. The war may still be going on, but the person may no longer be a threat.
Should there be an opportunity for the person to say that? Well, there should be. There surely should be a regular review process. The Senator from South Carolina has been very much involved in this kind of due process. But what we put into our bill--which would have been eliminated, by the way, if the Udall amendment had been adopted yesterday--is a requirement that the Executive order's procedures be adopted, because so far we haven't seen that.
Mr. President, I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I call for the regular order with respect to the Merkley amendment No. 1174.
The Senator from California, my great friend, Mrs. Boxer, is correct. We are willing to accept the Boxer-Grassley amendment by voice vote.
In response to Senator Grassley's question, I am very much aware of what he referred to.
You do, indeed.
I thank the Senator from California and the Senator from Iowa for their efforts in this area.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, in a few moments, Senator McCain and I will be seeking unanimous consent that the following pending and germane amendments be considered en bloc, that the amendments be modified with the changes that are at the desk where applicable: Begich 1114, as modified; McCain 1220; Reed of Rhode Island 1146, as modified; Levin 1293, as modified; Boxer 1206; Chambliss 1304, as modified; Pryor 1151; Nelson of Florida 1236; Blunt 1133; Murkowski 1287.
Further, that the amendments be agreed to en bloc--we are not making that request now. We will be making that request in a few minutes. This is not the so-called managers' package, by the way. These are the pending germane amendments which have been before us for some time but which we believe have now been cleared, and there is no opposition; however, if there is, there is an opportunity for people to come down.
I would yield now to my friend from Arizona.
That was not on my sheet, but that is fine, and that would be added.
I doublechecked on this. The answer is no, and that is about as directly as I can say it. I checked with staff and the staff says they have been modified--in many cases as I indicated--but none in order to make them germane.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, I now ask unanimous consent that the following pending germane amendments be considered en bloc; that the amendments be modified with the changes that are at the desk, where applicable: Begich No. 1114, as modified; McCain No. 1220; Reed of Rhode Island No. 1146, as modified; Levin No. 1293, as modified; Boxer No. 1206; Chambliss No. 1304, as modified; Pryor No. 1151; Nelson of Florida No. 1236; Blunt No. 1133, as modified; Murkowski No. 1287, as modified; and Brown of Massachusetts No. 1090, as modified; further, that the amendments be agreed to en bloc.
I ask unanimous consent now that the following two amendments be withdrawn: Collins No. 1105 and Collins No. 1158.
I note the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that upon the conclusion of the postcloture time, the pending germane Feinstein amendment, No. 1126, be the pending business; that the Senate proceed to vote in relation to the following Feinstein amendments in the order listed: Feinstein amendment No. 1126, Feinstein amendment No. 1456; that there be 2 minutes equally divided in the usual form prior to the second vote--there will be more time than that prior to the first vote; that no amendment be in order to either amendment prior to the votes, and that all postcloture time be considered expired at 6 p.m.
Mr. President, this has not yet been ruled on. I want to modify very slightly what I said in the unanimous consent request. I said that the Senate proceed to votes in relation to the following Feinstein amendments. I should have said the Senate proceed to votes on the Feinstein amendments in the order listed.
Mr. President, I have two other unanimous consent requests before we turn this over to the Senator from California. I ask unanimous consent that it be in order to make a point of order en bloc against the list of amendments in violation of rule XXII that is at the desk.
I would hope and I ask the time between now and 6 o'clock be divided between the two sides. We will yield immediately to Senator Feinstein.
Mr. President, I have one more unanimous consent.
I ask unanimous consent that the following amendments be withdrawn: Rubio amendment No. 1290 and Merkley amendment No. 1256.
I thank the Presiding Officer and all those who have been involved in working out this approach that allows us now to vote on two amendments, the original Feinstein amendment that is pending, plus an alternative which I think, hopefully, will command great support.
How much time is there on our side?
I wanted to have a couple minutes. I wonder if Senator McCain is here, if there is an objection to extending this by 10 minutes. Is there objection? I am not going to do that without him here.
Madam President, if the other side is ready to go, they can start using the time on their side.
Mr. President, I would ask that there be 5 additional minutes, evenly divided, so we could have 3 minutes left on our side. I would split that with the Senator from Illinois.
Mr. President, we are soon going to be voting on two amendments. The first amendment that is proposed, the first Feinstein amendment restricts the authority that was available and is available currently to the President of the United States under the laws of war. That authority is if an American citizen joins a hostile Army against us, takes up arms against us, that person can be determined to be an enemy combatant. That is not me saying that; that is the Constitution. That is the Supreme Court of the United States in the Hamdi case: ``There is no bar to this Nation's holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant.''
The problem with the Feinstein amendment is that current authority of the President to find and designate an American citizen who attacks us, who comes to our land and attacks us as an enemy combatant would be restricted. We should not restrict the availability of that power in the President. Now we have an alternative. In the second Feinstein amendment, which I ask unanimous consent to be a cosponsor of--
In the second amendment, we have an alternative because now it would provide the assurance that we are not adversely affecting the rights of the U.S. citizens in this language. Senator McCain, Senator Graham, and I have argued on this floor that there is nothing in our bill--nothing which changes the rights of the U.S. citizens. There was no intent to do it, and we did not do it.
What the second Feinstein amendment provides is that nothing in this section of our bill shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of the U.S. citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United States or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States. It makes clear what we have been saying this language already does, which is that it does not affect existing law relative to the right of the executive branch to capture and detain a citizen. If that law is there allowing it, it remains. If, as some argue, the law does not allow that, then it continues that way. We think the law is clear in Hamdi that there is no bar to this Nation holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant, and we make clear whatever the law is. It is unaffected by this language in our bill.
Could I just interrupt with a unanimous consent request that prior to each vote there be 2 minutes of debate equally divided in the usual form and that it start with the vote after this one.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, a number of my colleagues have asked where we are. We are going to have probably three or four more rollcall votes, hopefully including final passage. There is also a package--and everyone should listen to this because at least 70 of us are affected. There is a package of about 70 amendments which have been cleared. However, as of the moment, there is an objection to that package being adopted.
When I say the package has been cleared, what I am saying is there has been no objection to the substance of any of those 70 amendments. If there was an objection to the substance, they would not be cleared. So there is no objection to the substance of those approximately 70 amendments, but you should be aware, because most of us have amendments in that cleared managers' package, that unless that objection is removed, we cannot get that package adopted tonight.
Mr. President, I very much support this amendment, I am a cosponsor, and I hope we can all vote for it. This does what we said-- those of us who wrote this bill--the bill does and does not do all along. It does not change current law. This amendment reinforces the point that this bill does not change current law relative to this section of this bill. The section of this bill does not change current law relative to the detention of people in the United States.
Our time is yielded back.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote.
Mr. President, Senator Leahy authorized me and told me he was withdrawing this amendment relative to military custody because of all of the actions which have been previously taken. I am very confident that is what he told me, so I am going to withdraw that amendment on his behalf.
Mr. President, I think this can be accepted on a voice vote. I have great problems with it, but I think there is probably a majority here that will favor it and a distinct minority perhaps that would not. But it is something which basically doesn't add to the existing law, which says this is theoretically possible, and all this does is say it is possible one could be acquitted of a criminal case and still be held as an enemy combatant.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the germane Leahy amendment No. 1087 be modified with the changes at the desk; further, that the amendment, as modified, be agreed to.
There was a provision in the bill relative to the Freedom of Information Act which, by agreement, was modified.
Mr. President, I move to reconsider the vote on the Leahy amendment.
Mr. President, there is a pending amendment which apparently the clerk will need to report at this point.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the pending germane Udall of New Mexico amendment No. 1202 be modified with the changes at the desk; further, that the amendment, as modified, be agreed to.
Mr. President, we are going to be making a unanimous consent request. I am not even going to use my 1 minute on this other than to say thanks to everybody who has been so heavily involved, which is just about everybody in this Senate.
I want to particularly thank Senator McCain. His staff and my staff have been utterly incredible. We have had hundreds of amendments we had to get through. We have done the best we can, and I want to tell my friends this so we can prepare a path for a unanimous consent agreement. It is not prepared yet, so I cannot read it, but it is going to be something like this. For those amendments which were germane, not because of modification, but were germane--
I believe we did.
Let me describe what this is about so we can be thinking about it before it is offered. There were 71 amendments, approximately, which were cleared. We spoke about those before. If anyone had an objection, they were not cleared. So by definition there is no objection on the substance of these amendments. However, there is objection for other reasons, one of them being that if an amendment was modified to make it germane, there would be an objection on that basis.
So what Senator McCain and I are talking about--and we will put it in a unanimous consent proposal and then you all can decide if you want to agree to this--is that we would work--we pass a bill tonight and do all the other things we need to do because that has to be done. We have to get to conference.
In the next couple of days Senator McCain and I, working with the Parliamentarian, would go through the 71 amendments, or whatever the number is. The Parliamentarian would then advise us as to which of those amendments is germane and were germane--and these are all cleared amendments. And for that group, whatever the number is, that we are informed by the Parliamentarian is germane and were germane, we would then put in a bill which would be introduced next week. If we can get that done, then the unanimous consent request would have that bill introduced, read a third time, and passed. That would be the most we could ask for.
It would seem to me if we could pass this tonight, we could do the same thing with a bill--providing Senator McCain and I agree after talking to the Parliamentarian--that the only amendments that would be in that bill would be amendments which were germane.
How do we get that bill into the conference report? We have not figured that out yet, but we are working on that piece as well. At least we can get the bill passed so we can go to conference and show the Senate passed these X number of amendments. This is the best we could do. It is the cleanest we could do. The Parliamentarian did not like the different idea that we proposed, and I don't blame him and her, but that is what we are going to be offering in a few minutes.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that upon passage of S. 1867, the Armed Services Committee be discharged from further consideration of H.R. 1540 and the Senate proceed to its consideration; that all after the enacting clause be stricken and the text of S. 1867, as amended, and passed by the Senate, be inserted in lieu thereof; that H.R. 1540, as amended, be read a third time, passed, and the motion to reconsider be laid upon the table; that the Senate insist on its amendment, request a conference with the House on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses; and the Chair be authorized to appoint conferees on the part of the Senate, with the Armed Services Committee appointed as conferees; that no points of order be considered waived by virtue of this agreement; and all with no intervening action or debate.
I thank everybody and I thank the Chair.
Mr. President, I will be very brief for obvious reasons. But this is a golden moment for us. The proud tradition of the Senate Armed Services Committee has been maintained every year since 1961 and continues with the Senate's passage of the 50th consecutive national defense authorization bill. It always takes a huge amount of work to get a bill of this magnitude done. It could not happen without the support of all the Senators on the committee. I will not thank each and every one--the subcommittee chairs, the ranking members, our staff, the floor staff here, who do extraordinary work. But the bipartisanship of this committee dominates again, and we hope that flavor will continue to dominate forever in the committee and hope it will permeate this Senate.
We always have to work long and hard to pass this bill and no two of these bills are alike. But it's worth every bit of effort we put into it because it is for our security, for our troops, and for their families. I thank all Senators for their roles in keeping our tradition going.
Our committee's bipartisanship also makes this moment possible. I am proud to serve with Senator McCain and grateful for his partnership and friendship. I also want to thank our very dedicated and capable Senate floor staff on both sides of the aisle--Gary Myrick, Trish Engle, Tim Mitchell, and Meredith Mellody on the Democratic side and David Schiappa, Laura Dove, Ashley Messick, and Patrick Kilcur on the Republican side. They have all helped us get this bill across the finish line and we are very grateful to them and all others here on the floor and in both cloakrooms.
Finally, I thank all our committee staff members for their extraordinary drive and many personal sacrifices to get this bill done. Led by Rick DeBobes, our committee's staff director; Peter Levine, our general counsel; and Dave Morriss, our minority staff director, our staff really has given their all to get this bill passed. So to all of you and to all your families, thank you for your hard work. Take a few minutes to celebrate this moment and then put all your talents to work in conference with the House so we can bring a conference report back to the Senate before the holidays.
Mr. President, they all deserve recognition and, as a tribute to their professionalism and as a further expression of our gratitude, I ask unanimous consent that all staff members' names be printed in the Record.
To end my thanks--I do not see Senator McCain here. I think he had to leave for a few minutes.
He is here. Let me personally thank him. I thought Senator McCain had to leave.
I put in some thank-yous here on behalf of the committee, and I just want to tell the Senator how tremendous it is to work with him and how this tradition of bipartisanship in our committee has been maintained. The Senator is a very major part of the reason for that happening, and I thank him.