Department Of The Interior And Related Agencies Appropriations Act,
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume. Mr. Chairman, rise in opposition to this amendment. This funding limitation would stop changes to the National Forest Management Act planning regulations. This is a bad amendment,…
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, rise in opposition to this amendment.
This funding limitation would stop changes to the National Forest Management Act planning regulations. This is a bad amendment, and that is the best thing I can say about it.
National forest planning has become an endless gridlock which needs to be fixed. This administration is trying to make appropriate changes. If this amendment were adopted, the Forest Service would either continue to operate under the outdated 1982 planning regulations or begin to implement highly prescriptive and expensive 2000 planning regulations.
The 1982 planning regulations require the Forest Service to use unnecessary analytical processes and implement outdated science requirements. Under the old forest planning regulations, it takes an average of 5 to 6 years to complete a forest plan at a cost of 5 to $6 million each. Now, this is much too long. And, in fact, it is not a plan effort. It is not a scientific move. It is an effort to stop all harvesting in the forest, and we know that this amendment would delay forest projects which are now needed to clean up our forests and reduce the danger of fire, the real problems with fire that has been exaggerated in many ways by the lack of scientific forest management throughout the country, especially in the West.
This amendment would require national forests to be managed under plans that are clearly out of date, waste money on out-of-date planning methods, and are designed just to stop harvests altogether. So I certainly hope you will join me in defeating this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Pombo).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
A few weeks ago, we passed legislation that would stop the disastrous fires. It will take a long period of time. It will take management plans to be implemented to get rid of the crowded undergrowth and stop the fires that are costing us billions of dollars and burning up tens of millions of acres of our forests.
Let me tell my colleagues, these forest plans, and there are 40 forest plan revisions under way, 36 of these plans are more than 15 years old. Unless regulations are changed, 52 more are expected to go beyond the 15-year limit in the next decade. We cannot make any progress in fighting fires, stopping fires, not having to spend the money and the millions of dollars unless we get plans that are going to take less than 15 years, and yet most of these plans are going to do.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Gutknecht).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume.
Mr. Chairman, we have appropriated a great deal of money, and I appreciate the efforts of my friend, the gentleman from Washington (Mr. Dicks), in that area. He has been a leader in that area. But time is not the only consideration here. If we have money in the vault for the next 15 years and it is not spent, then the fires will continue and the young lives will be lost.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Virginia (Mr. Goodlatte).
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume to remind all of us that we spend millions of dollars in research. Science is going on in modern silviculture every year. We have forest research stations, we have private research stations, we have all our universities with schools of forestry participating in the science, and so it is working every day.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Texas (Mr. Stenholm).
(Mr. STENHOLM asked and was given permission to revise and extend his remarks.)
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Idaho (Mr. Otter).
Mr. Chairman, the gentleman from Minnesota (Mr. Gutknecht) who spoke earlier, and I agree with him, we have lost lives and we have lost forests because we have had years and years and years of delay rather than trying to address this subject, and that is what these resolutions are trying to do.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from California (Mr. Pombo) to close.
Mr. Chairman, I yield myself such time as I may consume, and I rise in opposition to the amendment. In the beginning, there was no limit to snowmobiles in these parks. In the last days of the Clinton administration, the administration barred all snowmobiles from the parks. Clearly, people live in the parks and this was not acceptable, emergency purposes. We had to come up with a program that would be reasonable, and I think this plan that is in place or will be in place is a balanced approach that addresses air quality, noise, wildlife, and safety concerns while continuing to allow the American public access to enjoy the parks during the winter months.
For the first time, a strict daily limit will be placed on the number of vehicles, and the snowmobiles must achieve at least a 90 percent reduction in hydrocarbons and a 70 percent reduction in carbon monoxide compared to conventional two-stroke engines. We now have four-stroke engines.
The sound question is that no more than 73 decibels of sound, a five- decibel reduction, has been put in place and 80 percent of the snowmobiles will be commercially guided. We have tried to reach a balanced plan that I think is reasonable. I urge a ``no'' vote on this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from Montana (Mr. Rehberg).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentlewoman from Wyoming (Mrs. Cubin).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 5 minutes to the gentleman from Illinois (Mr. Manzullo).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 4 minutes to the gentleman from California (Mr. Radanovich).
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time for closing.
Mr. Chairman, I yield the balance of my time to the gentleman from California (Mr. Pombo).
Mr. Chairman, I make a point of order against the amendment because it proposes to change existing law and constitutes legislation in an appropriation bill and therefore violates clause 2 of rule XXI.
The rule states in pertinent part: ``An amendment to a general appropriation bill shall not be in order if changing existing law.'' The amendment proposes to state a legislative position. I ask for a ruling from the Chair.
Mr. Chairman, will the gentleman yield?
Mr. Chairman, I will work with the ranking member and the gentleman to resolve the problem.
Mr. Chairman, I rise in opposition to this amendment, and I yield myself such time as I may consume.
This amendment is bad policy. We should not stop all activities on the national level. Each national forest deserves to get decisions based on local commissions and based on specific situations.
We have four lawsuits going on this already. One Federal judge has already ruled that there are problems with the Clinton administration's roadless rule.
We need to have careful consideration before we lock up these areas and prevent multiple use. Wilderness area designations should be done site by site, not at this broad-brush national level.
It is possible that some forests and roadless areas may need some treatments to reduce hazardous fuels. We need to be careful that we do not make a national policy that could lead to dangerous conditions.
Half the areas covered by the Clinton roadless rule are at risk for catastrophic fire. The rule makes treatment of these areas a low priority when they should be a high priority. Already this year, fires that have started in roadless areas have destroyed hundreds of thousands of acres and burned several hundred homes.
I urge my colleagues to defeat this amendment.
Mr. Chairman, I reserve the balance of my time.
Mr. Chairman, I yield 2 minutes to the gentleman from Colorado (Mr. McInnis).
Mr. Chairman, I yield 3 minutes to the gentleman from Alaska (Mr. Young).