Fisa Amendments Act Of 2008
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to speak on my time, followed immediately by Senator Hatch, who will speak for 10 minutes, and that my remaining time be reserved after that. The request was that I speak on my time and that Senator…
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent to speak on my time, followed immediately by Senator Hatch, who will speak for 10 minutes, and that my remaining time be reserved after that.
The request was that I speak on my time and that Senator Hatch be given 10 minutes.
No. That is off of my time.
How long will Senator Feingold speak?
Responding to the distinguished leader, Senator Hatch had to leave a Judiciary Committee hearing. He was only going to speak 10 minutes. And I am going to be about 10 minutes.
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished leader who has done a remarkable job of helping us to get to this point in what has been, let us say, a challenging 15-month debate. And I concur with him in the very kind and generous words he said about my friend and colleague, the chairman of the committee, Senator Rockefeller.
I expressed my appreciation to the Republican leader for his very kind words, and I agree with him that it is absolutely essential that we defeat these amendments today. But, finally, after sporadic filibuster attempts over a period of 15 months by several Members, Members whom I respect for their tenacity and conviction in this matter, we are poised today to conclude work on the FISA Amendments Act of 2008.
Yesterday I detailed my views on aspects of this legislation, and I walked through six tweaks to the legislation that were made to the bipartisan Senate bill that the Senate passed in February, earlier this year, that have resulted in the bill before us today.
I am happy that the tweaks to the bill did not change the bill much. I am proud to negotiate with the House to bring back to the Senate essentially the same bipartisan bill today that both the chairman and I crafted with the help of an overwhelming bipartisan majority of our Intelligence Committee.
This ensured that today we have a major bipartisan victory of which all sides can be proud, exemplifying what can be accomplished in Washington when there is bipartisan negotiation.
I thank all of those who worked so hard to bring us to the cusp of sending this legislation to the President. I appreciate the hard work of House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, who was critical in the House; Republican Whip Roy Blunt, and Congressmen Pete Hoekstra and Lamar Smith, as well as the efforts of my colleagues in the Senate, Senators Orrin Hatch, Saxby Chambliss, Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell, and Chairman Rockefeller for his strong support and leadership.
Further, we could not be here today without the hard work of staff, from the House, Jen Stewart from House Minority Leader Boehner's office; Brian Diffel from House Minority Whip Blunt's office; Chris Donesa from Mr. Hoekstra's office; Caroline Lynch from Mr. Smith's office; Mariah Sixkiller with the House Majority Leader's office; and Jeremy Bash from Mr. Reyes' office, along with an assortment and large number of deputies and others who assisted them in producing the language that their Members would support.
As to my own staff, I thank my staff director Louis Tucker and staffer Jacqui Russell from the Intelligence Committee; a very special thanks to two FISA counsels, Jack Livingston and Kathleen Rice, who brought invaluable expertise into this process as lawyers who participated in the FISA process from the executive branch perspective while working in the FBI.
Thanks to Senator Rockefeller's counsels, Mike Davidson, Christine Healey, and Alissa Starzak, as well as to Jesse Baker with Senator Hatch; to Tom Hawkins and John Abegg with Leader McConnell's office; and to the many other staff who helped make this happen, too many to name now in the short time we have before we vote on the upcoming amendments.
I believe it is necessary to reinforce a few points that Senator Rockefeller and I made yesterday in urging our colleagues to defeat the three amendments before us that would kill this bill by altering the title II liability protections, and potentially putting us in the disastrous situation we faced a year ago.
First, yesterday we heard from supporters of these amendments that decimating the title II civil liability protections for our telecommunications providers would have no effect on the title I portion of the bill that modernizes FISA collection methodologies because title I contains directives that are enforceable by court order.
Such statements demonstrate a lack of understanding about the intelligence community's dependence upon our third-party partners. We know from our experience when the Protect America Act expired in February that is simply not the case. We lost days' worth of intelligence while the partners ceased cooperating momentarily until they were assured that authorizations and corresponding immunity tie would last until August. If we do not have their voluntary cooperation by giving them liability protection, then it is much harder and we get much less in trying to compel them.
Second, we heard yesterday that it is ``bad lawyering'' to apply the substantial evidence standard to the title II liability. The Senate's bill had an abuse of discretion standard for title II liability, which I believe was the appropriate standard, but House Democrats offered this other standard.
It is an appellate standard, not a factual standard, as my colleague from
Rhode Island asserted yesterday. The court will not be holding a trial or hearing from witnesses. There is no adversarial process in the true sense of the word. These steps and safeguards are necessary to ensure that our intelligence sources and methods remain protected.
Third, while my colleague from Rhode Island asserted that the TSP is a cause for deep anger at the administration, I submit that deep anger should be redirected away from tearing down experienced, dedicated American officials and toward tearing down our foreign enemies who are intent on destroying our Nation and our way of life.
The TSP enabled our intelligence community to prevent further attacks on our homeland, and I and the leaders of the intelligence community believe it is the key reason why we have not been attacked for nearly 7 years since September 11.
Despite what some far-left editorial writers say, the TSP only allowed warrantless interception of phone calls from terrorists reasonably believed to be overseas.
Intercepts of Americans and other U.S. persons in the United States required a warrant from the FISA Court.
To suggest yesterday, as was suggested on the floor, that it enabled collection of communications among innocent American citizens is flat wrong. The bill before us will keep us safe and protect civil liberties. So it should not be a moment of anger but, rather, one of bipartisanship and pride that we worked together to produce the best legislation possible to keep America safe and to protect her rights further.
Others assert that leaking the program was good. Well, I dispute that. The intelligence agencies noticed a significant drop in collection when the terrorists found out we could listen in on them. The CIA Director, at his confirmation hearing, when I asked him how badly the intelligence community had been hurt, said: We are applying the Darwinian theory to terrorists; we are only intercepting the dumb ones.
Both Democratic and Republican leaders were read in on this program early on, the Big Eight, and had the opportunity through congressional options to delay or scrutinize the program, if necessary.
I understand they advised the administration it would take too long to go through the legislative process to modernize FISA. From what I have seen over the past 15 months in how long it has taken us to get here today, that seems to have been very good advice.
My colleague from Pennsylvania asserted earlier that only 30 Senators have been read in. But the chairman did a little quick math and said 37 have been read in. It is unusual to have more than one-third of the Senate briefed on some of our most sensitive intelligence collection strategy.
Oversight of these areas is why the Senate created the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. We on the committee oversee hundreds of programs that the rest of our colleagues know little about. And even though we invite them over for briefings, they usually have too many other responsibilities to have time to accept our invitation.
Finally, my colleague from Pennsylvania asserted we do not know what we are granting immunity for, and only courts can decide that matter. That is simply not true. The committee's bipartisan review makes it clear to whom retroactive civil liability protection is being granted. And the courts are not the appropriate standard to make those judgments.
The Senator's statements clearly indicated that he wants to challenge the Government, the President's use of the TSP. Well, we do not block suits against the Government, against Government employees or officials. It would be unfair and potentially disastrous to use the patriotic electronic carriers as punching bags to try to get at the administration. That will destroy our intelligence community's ability to collect with their assistance, and it would potentially lead to a serious gap in the program. It would put the people of the collecting agencies at great risk, civilians who do not go into battle with protection, with gear and with training.
That is an absolutely outrageous assertion that they should be willing to undergo the hazards of war in matters of national security. It is appropriate and imperative that the oversight committees act as they have in reporting such legislation to the entire body.
My friend repeatedly inquired if Congress had ever done anything such as this before. But, in fact, we only need to look back to 2005 when Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. It essentially granted immunity to gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and others against lawsuits seeking money damages and other relief for harm caused by misuse of firearms.
It still allowed those defendants to be sued for their own negligence, violation of sale and marketing statute, breach of contract or warranty, design defect, et cetera. The immunity provision was held to be constitutional, not a violation of due process, equal protection, or takings, in Ileto v. Glock, a 2006 California court case. So beyond the rhetoric in opposition to the legislation before us, I believe Senators need to take a fair look at what is before us today.
I strongly encourage my colleagues to vote down the three amendments before us and to support this bill. This bill gives our intelligence operators and law enforcement officials the tools they need to conduct surveillance on foreign terrorists in foreign countries planning to conduct attacks inside the United States against our troops and allies. It is the balance we need to protect our civil liberties without handcuffing intelligence professionals. Let's do the right thing, pass this bill without amendments.
I yield the floor.
Off Senator Feingold's time.
Mr. President, how much time do I have?
I yield a minute and a half to my distinguished colleague from Florida.
Mr. President, I thank the distinguished Senator from Florida, who has been a hard-working member of the Intelligence Committee and has been a great contributor. I am sorry he does not agree with the compromise we reached with the House to have the district courts make a review. I think that is important. That satisfies our needs.
Several points made on the floor today and previously need to be answered. It has been said that the new surveillance powers allow the Government to collect all communications between the United States and the rest of the world, millions and millions of communications between innocent Americans, parents calling children
abroad, people serving in Iraq. There is no prohibition on reverse targeting.
A plain reading of the bill shows us that this statement is simply inaccurate. As the Senator from Utah said earlier today: Unless you have al-Qaida on your speed dial, you are not going to be collected against. There are safeguards in place to ensure that any conversations that do not have foreign intelligence information will not be kept or shared, they will be minimized or suppressed.
Americans either inside or outside the United States may not be targeted without court order. That ``outside of the U.S.'' protection was something we added on a bipartisan basis in the Senate Intelligence Committee.
In addition to approving any collection against Americans, anybody in the United States, an American overseas, the FISA Court will review all procedures used to target foreign communications and make sure that communications with innocent Americans are minimized or suppressed.
As far as reverse targeting goes, I refer my colleagues to section 702(B) of the bill which says:
An acquisition authorized under subsection 8 may not
intentionally target a person reasonably believed to be
located outside the United States if the purpose of such
acquisition is to target a particular known person reasonably
believed to be in the United States.
I can assure you that I and other members of the Intelligence Committee have reviewed the procedures, have seen the operations, know the supervision, and know the very tight constraints under which these professionals operate. They are overseen by supervisors, by higher level authorities, by inspectors general, by lawyers, their own lawyers, and lawyers from the Department of Justice. Somebody made an error and collected some criminal information a year or so ago and that was dealt with appropriately. There is no ability for somebody, even a rogue who happens to get in, to get away with targeting innocent American communications.
There has been a lot of debate also about the Senators having access to all of the information. As I pointed out earlier, we set up the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence to provide the most highly classified information to members of the committee. I have worked hard with the chairman, and we have opened to the full Intelligence Committee far more information than we ever got before, because I believe the Intelligence Committee has a heavy responsibility to make sure that what is being done stays within the law, stays within the guidelines, and protects the rights of American citizens.
But if you say that every intelligence matter should be briefed to the entire Congress, where does that stop? Should we then brief the New York Times directly so they can publish a story and decide whether the intelligence activity is acceptable? I think not. I think we have seen the problems that occur when leaks have compromised our intelligence. They have done it too often.
Some people still want to debate the legality of the TSP, saying it is blatantly illegal. Well, they persist in their belief that the President lacks the constitutional authority to conduct warrantless foreign intelligence surveillance, even though article II has not changed in over 200 years.
The FISA Court itself, en banc, In re: Sealed Case, has noted the President has that authority, and if the Congress tried to pass a law saying the President does not have that authority, it would be found to be unlawful.
The intelligence community has been overseen by the Intelligence Committee, and we have found clearly that the companies acted in good faith. Regardless, however, of the legality of the President's TSP, it is a matter of fundamental fairness. These providers should not be punished by forcing them to litigate frivolous claims or by delaying this much needed relief.
Without these companies, without their active participation on this and many other matters, the intelligence community is fearful and has lost cooperation in the past. They are taking risks by being good patriotic Americans, and there are some who want to punish them. They want to kick them to get at the administration. Well, this bill does not prohibit lawsuits against the Government or Government officials.
I believe the time has come for us to pass a bill after 15 months. We now know that we have before us the ability to give clear authority, direction, and guidelines to the intelligence community to operate to keep us safe. We have added new protections, and if the President had not followed the advice of the ``gang of eight'' and had tried to reform the FISA rather than using article II, we would not only be debating September 11, there would be many others.
I urge my colleagues to vote down all these amendments and pass this badly needed modernization of intelligence collection, electronic surveillance, and the provisions of the additional privacy rights and protections for American citizens.
I yield the floor.
Amendment No. 5064
Permit me to relieve the Senator from Connecticut, a good friend and a good legislator, of some of his concerns. No. 1: During the President's terrorist surveillance program, even though it was operating under article II, he went to the FISA Court to get warrants for listening in on American communications, the same procedure we have outlined in this bill
today. But what he was able to do was to listen in on terrorists reasonably believed to be abroad, which is now included in our bill.
Article II is clear that he has that right. Article II was used by President Bill Clinton for a physical search, a physical search of Aldridge Ames' home; and the Congress responded by giving him more power.
Secondly, it is said that the article II should be challenged. I point out that there is no ban, no ban on lawsuits such as a lawsuit before Judge Walker, on lawsuits going forward against the Government or Government officials.
The Intelligence Committee conducted a comprehensive review of the TSP. We determined, on a strong bipartisan basis, that the providers acted in good faith pursuant to representations from the highest level of the Government that the TSP was lawful. It is not right to punish patriotic Americans who step forward and help their Government by subjecting them to harassment of lawsuits.
I urge the defeat of the amendment.
Mr. President, the simple fact is, the IGs have already reviewed this bill. I agreed to a limited inspectors general overall review, even though the Senate Intelligence Committee has reviewed the program on a bipartisan basis. At a time when we are urging more congressional oversight, why would we again turn over the question of the executive branch's actions to an executive branch agency when the committee has clearly said there is no reason to deny retroactive liability protection to these areas?
Now, there are some who don't like the program at all. There are some who don't like the administration. They want to kick the administration by penalizing the companies, by dragging the companies through a continuing stretch of frivolous lawsuits. The Senator from Pennsylvania admitted that there is going to be no recovery. The lawsuits are designed to kill it. This amendment would get a veto, and we would have to start all over. Please vote no.