Madam Chairman, I rise today in support of this bipartisan, pro-job, pro-environment, pro-health legislation. After 30 years of debate, of charges and countercharges, we can finally get this done. Just as an example of the disparity and…
Madam Chairman, I rise today in support of this bipartisan, pro-job, pro-environment, pro-health legislation. After 30 years of debate, of charges and countercharges, we can finally get this done.
Just as an example of the disparity and misrepresentation here, we talked about mercury. That was discussed earlier. Fluorescent light bulbs in our homes contain mercury in a higher concentration than coal ash, but yet our fluorescent light bulbs are disposed of in a way that we're going to take care of now under this bill.
In fact, there are two parts of this bill. The first part removes the stigma of the EPA classifying fly ash as a hazardous material. Several studies by the EPA have concluded time and time again that the chemical characteristics within coal ash are nonhazardous.
We've already heard the advantages of the recycling.
But I just want to remind the gentleman from California that during the subcommittee markup, he supported the Baldwin amendment that prohibited the EPA from regulating coal ash as a hazardous material, yet he continues to refer to coal ash as toxic. This is simply unacceptable. One cannot have his cake and eat it, too.
The second part of the bill, which deals with disposal, was worked on with Democrats, State agencies, and a cross section of stakeholders during subcommittee, full committee, and before this bill came to the House floor.
Ultimately, should this legislation become law and new scientifically based factors arise, this legislation will allow for the flexibility of the States and the EPA to work together to adjust the coal ash program accordingly. If a State has no program, fly ash impoundments will not be permitted by the EPA until they do. If a State opts not to have a fly ash program, the EPA will have primacy. If the government should lower the drinking water standard at any time because of changes in chemical characteristics such as those found in coal ash, then the States will have to comply with those new standards.
But should a State, such as proposed in California, decide to lower their standards below the federal level, then they have the option to do that under the 10th Amendment.
H.R. 2273 simply allows for a flexible system, a working relationship with the State and Federal Governments to carry out a long overdue coal ash program at the State level with stringent requirements for liners, groundwater monitoring, financial assurance, dam safety and integrity, and most of all, protection of health and the environment. All of this will be achieved with assistance, approval, and oversight by the EPA.
I ask all of my colleagues to support this bipartisan, pro-job legislation.
I thank the gentleman for yielding.
Before I agree to support the gentleman's amendment, I would like some clarification on one of the provisions it contains. It would amend the definition of ``revised criteria'' in the bill to read: ``The criteria promulgated for municipal solid waste landfill units . . . as revised under section 4010(c) in accordance with the requirement of such section that the criteria protect human health and the environment.''
Does the gentleman's amendment open the door, even a sliver, to EPA promulgating coal ash regulations not otherwise authorized in this bill under the guise of protecting human health and the environment; or for EPA to use the language as an arbitrary yardstick by which to judge State programs?
Madam Chairman, the 4010(c) of RCRA also gives EPA authority to take into account the practicable capabilities of such facilities.
Does the gentleman's amendment alter that authority in any way?
With those clarifications, I will support the gentleman's amendment.
I rise in opposition to the amendment.
Thank you.
To my colleague from Illinois, as the sponsor of this particular legislation and one of just two engineers in Congress that are licensed or capable of designing these structures, I wanted to make certain that in the bill there is the language that you're concerned about; that we do have the ability--under page 6, if you've not read the bill yet. But it talks about how that's to be designed, constructed, and maintained under this language.
So we have to make sure this bill, if we pass it, is going to be maintained and the State's going to look at it. If
there's a violation of that, then the EPA can step in. Because please understand that we've got numbers of protections written into this bill. The EPA enforcement inspection authority is already there.
Under page 18, if you've read the rest of the bill, it talks about imminent hazard. They can step in at any time under imminent hazard and take control over this if they have a problem with it. There's also the provision for law enforcement.
But, more importantly, if the EPA determines that a particular State coal combustion residual program is deficient--if it's deficient because of a lack of proper implementation, there are options available in the bill for the EPA to step in, administer, and enforce the program in that State.
My colleague, this amendment, although well intended, is unnecessary. It's not about giving the EPA authority it does not have and will not have. It's another vote of no confidence in the State, while, at the same time, encouraging the EPA to meddle in State matters.
I yield to the gentleman from Illinois.
Let me reclaim my time, if I could.
Again, with all due respect, I think there are at least three components there that you're overlooking in your amendment. One is that these dams are designed by professional engineers that are stamping and maintaining and seen by contractors. They have to see that those dams are maintained, those structures. So there's not a threat.
Second, you have the issue of imminent hazard under page 18. Please read the bill, and you'll see that they can step in at any time if they feel that there's a threat. They can step in and take care of that.
And then there are other provisions in there that allow other people to file class actions or individual actions against this if they feel it's being violated. So we've got three protections already built into this bill to take care of the issue, which I agree you can be concerned about. But it's one thing we made sure was in this bill when it was drafted.
I yield back the balance of my time.