Mr. President, I oppose this amendment, and I ask Members to vote against it. The distinguished Senator from New Hampshire just said that any transfer of Guantanamo detainees out of that facility essentially endangers Americans. But…
Mr. President, I oppose this amendment, and I ask Members to vote against it. The distinguished Senator from New Hampshire just said that any transfer of Guantanamo detainees out of that facility essentially endangers Americans. But consider how effectively we hold terrorists in the United States today.
We have 180 terrorists in Federal prisons in the United States of America who are in maximum security, and they cannot escape. We have supermax prisons. We have prisons where for 23 hours a day individuals are in a cell that is all concrete with just a small viewing place.
What this amendment would do is prevent any flexibility forever in how the U.S. government can handle those held in Guantanamo Bay. For example, the Guantanamo detainees could not be moved to a supermax prison in the United States. I don't think preventing options is the right thing to do. No one in all these years has escaped from a supermax prison in the United States of America. So clearly, the detainees could be held safely and securely.
Additionally, I believe this amendment could bring on a veto by the President. Today, a statement of administration policy was issued that indicated concern about restricting the transfer of Guantanamo detainees.
I believe Guantanamo has been a blight on the image of our country across this world and it should be closed down. It is important to note that there are reasons to have the flexibility that Senator Ayotte's amendment would restrict.
For example, there are detainees at Guantanamo who could be transferred to the U.S. to be convicted in federal criminal courts. Others try to leave, like the Uighurs, for instance, but there is no place for them to go. And this amendment restricts them from being transferred here to the United States.
Many say, why would we let terrorists come to our backyard? Well, let's consider the hundreds of terrorists that are already in our backyard serving time at 98 facilities across the United States, according to a GAO report released yesterday.
The Blind Sheik is incarcerated in a Federal prison in the U.S. Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's nephew, Ramzi Yousef, is in a Federal prison here. Richard Reid, the Shoe Bomber, is in a Federal prison here. Najibullah Zazi and Adis Medunjanin, who plotted to bomb New York subway system, are both in Federal prison here.
I have a list of terrorists arrested here, 98 of them since 2009, who will go to Federal prisons. Let me describe a few of these arrests. One of the examples was earlier this month, Ralph Deleon, with Miguel Alejandro Santana Vidriales and Arifeen David Gojali were arrested by the FBI. They were planning to travel to Afghanistan to attend terrorist training and commit violent jihad. They will do time in a Federal prison here. Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis plotted to bomb the New York Federal Reserve Bank on October 20, 2012. He will do time in a Federal prison here. Adel Daoud plotted to bomb a downtown Chicago bar in September 2012, and he will do time in a Federal prison here.
Our Federal prisons hold terrorists already and they will continue to hold them. So to remove any kind of flexibility on Guantanamo and to say that you cannot move a detainee out of the facility and into a Federal prison in the United States is a mistake. I very strongly believe perpetuating Guantanamo forever is a mistake. So I ask my colleagues to vote no on this amendment.
I yield the floor.
I do not need additional time. I would be willing to add an additional 2 minutes.
Mr. President, I have heard a lot of hyperbole tonight. Of course we are at war. Part of the glory of this country is the values we hold dear. We have a Federal court system that has worked. We have 373 people connected to terrorism serving time in the Federal prisons of the United States of America. They are under an entity called the Bureau of Prisons that sees that the facilities are run the way they should be. Most are in isolated areas, such as the one in Florence in Colorado. It is far from the city--I think some 30 miles--and is a maximum security prison in part.
The GAO report just released yesterday showed that the Federal prison system can hold Guantanamo detainees safely and securely. To keep Guantanamo open forever, to say that there is no flexibility as to what you can do with the detainees in terms of transferring them into the United States, into Federal custody, I think is wrong.
I have seen and watched on the Judiciary Committee and the Intelligence Committee real problems with military commissions. I think Senator Graham understands that and has seen it as well. I do not believe the rate of convictions in Military Commissions any way equals the rate of convictions in Federal courts and think about how much time it has taken to get the Military Commission trials going compared to federal courts.
I really think this is very much a kind of political movement, that Guantanamo, isolated from everything, run by the military, has to keep people for the rest of their lives. Maybe that is what some people think. But a terrorist act is also a criminal act. It is a heinous criminal act, but one which our federal criminal courts can provide justice. Not just Guantanamo. So I really urge a ``no'' vote on this. Hopefully, if it passes, it can be removed in conference.
I yield the floor.
I ask unanimous consent to call up amendment No. 3018.
I ask unanimous consent that the reading of the amendment be dispensed with.
I note that Senator Lee is on the floor, and I know he wants to speak as he is a cosponsor of this amendment. So I will yield to him, and then when he finishes I will speak.
Mr. President, the amendment before us is cosponsored by the distinguished Senator who just spoke, Senator Lee, as well as Senators Coons, Collins, Paul, Lautenberg, Gillibrand, Kirk, Tester, Johnson, Sanders, Whitehouse, Heller, Baucus, DeMint, Webb, Klobuchar, Bingaman, Rockefeller, Begich, and Boxer. An amendment similar to this received 45 votes in the last session.
I wish to spend a moment on the genesis of this amendment because, for me, it goes back to April 1942, the day a Western Defense Command and Fourth Army Wartime Civil Control order went out in San Francisco with instructions to all persons of Japanese ancestry, that: All Japanese persons, both alien and nonalien, will be evacuated from the above designated areas by 12 o'clock noon on Tuesday, April 7, 1942. No Japanese person will be permitted to enter or leave the above described area after 8 a.m. Thursday.
That was in the city of San Francisco.
What was created was an internment camp near the city which became a staging area for the placement of Japanese Americans in detention camps without charge or trial for the remainder of World War II.
This was Tanforan Racetrack, directly south of San Francisco. One Sunday afternoon--I was a small child in 1942--my father took me down to show it to me. This is what I saw. We see stalls made into bunk houses. We see the center of the field made into barracks. We see the little places where individuals were kept. We see Japanese-American citizens who did nothing wrong who were being interned for years during World War II.
It was shocking. Then it took until 1971 for a bill to be passed and then signed by President Nixon reversing the policy. That bill was called the Non-Detention Act of 1971, and it repealed a 1950 statute that explicitly allowed detention of U.S. citizens. That 1971 bill said--and I quote:
No citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the
United States except pursuant to an act of Congress.
Since then and after 9/11, various cases were litigated and went as far up as the Supreme Court. One of them in 2004 was Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, and it addressed a very narrow issue involving a citizen captured on the battlefield of Afghanistan. Then a second case, Padilla v. Rumsfeld, in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals involved an American citizen captured in the U.S.
So the question is whether the Non-Detention Act of 1971 prevents U.S. citizens captured in the U.S. like Padilla from being detained or whether the AUMF passed after 9/11 authorizes such law of war detention in the U.S.
What we are trying to do with this simple amendment is what is called a clear statement rule, to say once and for all:
An authorization to use military force, a declaration of
war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the
detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful
permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the
United States unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes
such detention.
I know this is a sensitive subject, but I believe we stand on the values of our country, and one of the values of our country is justice for all. And we have a Constitution that has 7 articles and 27 amendments that give us fundamental protections.
This amendment, which builds on the continuing application of the principles behind the Non-Detention Act of 1971, would provide very clearly that no military authorization allows the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens or green card holders who are apprehended inside the United States. Some may ask why just include citizens and green card holders. Let me be clear, if I could further and add ``all persons'' and get as many votes, I would. I do not think it would, and we have looked into how to do this for a year now. So we have limited it to what we believed could get the maximum number of votes in this body.
Here is the point of this amendment: What if something happens and you are of the wrong race in the wrong place at the wrong time, and you are picked up and held without trial or charge in detention ad infinitum? We want to clarify so this cannot happen; so that the law does not permit an American citizen or a legal permanent resident to be picked up and held without end, without charge or trial.
I want to say that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies have proven time and time again that they are up to the challenge of detecting, stopping, arresting, and convicting terrorists found on U.S. soil.
I have a document that was prepared by the Intelligence Committee staff lists 98 terrorists who have been arrested and are on their way to conviction and will do time, many of them life sentences, in Federal prisons, and these are just those arrested in the last 3 or 4 years.
Since January of 2009, there are 98 who have been successfully arrested. I think it is important to understand that suspected terrorists who may be in the United States illegally can be detained within the criminal justice system under four options that exist today. They can be charged with a Federal or State crime and held. They can be held for violating immigration laws. They can be held as material witnesses as part of a Federal grand jury proceedings. They can be held under section 412 of the PATRIOT Act for up to 12 months.
This amendment is not about whether citizens such as Hamdi and Padilla--or others who would do us harm--should be captured, interrogated, incarcerated, and severely punished. They should be and they are.
It is about the innocent American, again in the wrong place, at the wrong time, who gets picked up, like these innocent Japanese Americans shown in this picture who just happened to live in a certain part of the United States, in my hometown, San Francisco. But this was what happened. People were picked up and held for the duration of the war-- just because of their race.
Finally, I want to quote Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who wrote for the plurality in the Hamdi decision in 2004:
As critical as the Government's interest may be in
detaining those who actually pose an immediate threat to the
national security of the United States during ongoing
international conflict, history and common sense teach us
that an unchecked system of detention carries the potential
to become a means for oppression and abuse of others who do
not present that sort of threat.
So it is my hope we can clarify U.S. law to state unequivocally that the government cannot indefinitely detain American citizens or legal residents captured inside this country without trial or charge.
We live with the stain of how we treated some of our own people during World War II. It should not be repeated.
I thank the Acting President pro tempore, and I would like to yield to the distinguished Senator Paul, if I may.
Mr. President, how much time remains on our side?
I will wait until the very end and give the distinguished chairman the opportunity.
If Mr. President could tell me what the respective times for either side in this amendment are?
I will.
I just wanted to thank everybody. I think we had a good debate. I think we ended in a good place. I am very hopeful that the body will pass this now by a large majority. So I hope we are successful tonight in achieving something that hasn't been achieved for decades.
I want to thank everybody, our cosponsors, the chairman of the committee, and Senator Graham for the debate.
Mr. President, in 1971, Congress passed and President Nixon signed into law the Non-Detention Act of 1971, which repealed a 1950 statute that explicitly allowed detention of U.S. citizens.
The Non-Detention Act of 1971 clearly states:
No citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the
United States except pursuant to an act of Congress.
Despite this history, during last year's debate on the Defense authorization bill some in this body advocated for the indefinite detention of American citizens. This is an issue that has been the subject of much legal controversy since 9/11.
Proponents of indefinitely detaining U.S. citizens argue that the Authorization for Use of Military Force, AUMF, that was enacted in the wake of 9/11 is ``an act of Congress,'' in the language of the Non- Detention Act, that authorizes the indefinite detention of American citizens regardless of where they are captured.
We heard this argument again tonight from Senators Levin and Graham. They assert that their position is justified by the U.S. Supreme Court's plurality decision in the 2004 case of Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. However, that position is undercut by the 2003 case of Padilla v. Rumsfeld in the Second Circuit Court of Appeals.
But let me discuss the facts of Hamdi because it is important to note that Yaser Esam Hamdi was a U.S. citizen who took up arms on behalf of the Taliban and was captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. The Supreme Court effectively did uphold his military detention, so some of my colleagues seize upon this to say that the military can detain even U.S. citizens who are arrested domestically.
However, the Supreme Court's opinion in that case was a muddled decision by a four-vote plurality that recognized the power of the government to detain U.S. citizens captured in such circumstances as ``enemy combatants'' for some period, but otherwise repudiated the government's broad assertions of executive authority to detain citizens without charge or trial.
To the extent the Hamdi case permits the government to detain a U.S. citizen ``until the end of hostilities,'' it does so only under a very limited set of circumstances; namely, citizens taking an active part in hostilities who are captured in Afghanistan and who are afforded certain due process protections, at a minimum.
Additionally, decisions by the lower courts have contributed to the current state of legal ambiguity, principally those decisions involving Jose Padilla, a U.S. citizen who was arrested in Chicago. He was initially detained pursuant to a material witness warrant based on the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
In Padilla v. Rumsfeld the Second Circuit Court of Appeals held that the AUMF did not authorize his detention, saying:
We conclude that clear congressional authorization is
required for detentions of American citizens on American soil
because . . . the Non-Detention Act . . . prohibits such
detentions absent specific congressional authorization.
The Second Circuit went on to say that the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force ``is not such an authorization, and no exception to [the Non-Detention Act] otherwise exists.''
I think this history is particularly important in light of tonight's debate.