Department Of Homeland Security Appropriations Act, 2008
Mr. President, it is my understanding there are 11 amendments pending on this bill. There are points of order that lie against several of them. And the managers will make those whenever they see fit. I hope that those people who have other…
Mr. President, it is my understanding there are 11 amendments pending on this bill. There are points of order that lie against several of them. And the managers will make those whenever they see fit. I hope that those people who have other amendments pending would agree to short time agreements on them and accept a time for voting. Maybe the managers can even accept some of them.
This is a bill we want to finish today. It is an important piece of legislation. It has been improved in many different ways, not the least of which is this border security legislation that was passed earlier today. So I hope that Democrats and Republicans who offered these amendments will contact the managers and agree on a reasonable period of time so we can vote. It is 1 o'clock in the afternoon. It is important we do this.
I do not want to sound like a stuck record, but we have to finish this legislation before we go home in August. We have to finish the SCHIP bill before we go home in August. We have a 9/11 conference report we have to finish before we go home in August. We have the ethics and lobbying reform we have to finish before we go home in August. We are going to do that.
Everybody should understand--and, of course, I mentioned on the floor about the bill that Senators Boxer and
Inhofe have worked on dealing with WRDA, which is so important to the whole country, but certainly important to the western part of the United States.
I would be happy to yield.
That is a really good example to set for the other people offering amendments. I would also say, as I said on the Senate floor this morning, there is an extremely important congressional delegation that is scheduled to be in Greenland this weekend. I would really like--first of all, I would like to have gone on the trip. But there are 10 or 11 Senators scheduled to go on that trip. I hope that trip can take place. But we are going to have to get this legislation done.
If we get some idea that there is a real stall going on here, we will have to file cloture on the conference report dealing with homeland security, the 9/11 Commission recommendations, and that vote would not take place until Saturday. So we are doing our best to work through all of this. But I want everyone to know, as I have said here so many times, we have a very few things to do, but we are going to do them. And it is no bluff. We have a whole month to complete everything in August. I hope people will help us work through that so that is not necessary.
I would be happy to do that for my distinguished friend, the senior Senator from the State of West Virginia, of the West Virginia hills.
We have four things to do for sure: the bill we are on now, this appropriations bill, children's health, the conference report on the 9/ 11 Commission recommendations, and the message that we are going to get from the House on ethics and lobbying reform. Those four things are essential.
The luxury we would have is also to complete WRDA. The conference report is important. We should be able to do that quickly. We got a huge vote when it came out of here.
These are the things that we must do before we leave. This is not anything new that I just sprung on anybody. That is something that I have been saying for a long time. We have made great progress. I am very happy with it. We were able to get Wounded Warriors done. We were able to get the pay raise for the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines. We were also able to pass for the first time in 3 years the higher education bill--that is important--reconciliation, getting the biggest change in how students are able to go to our schools in our country since the GI bill. We have a few things we need to do, and we really need to do it.
I repeat, it is almost 1 o'clock on Thursday. I will be happy to work into the night to complete this bill. I say that the managers of the bill says it all, Senator Byrd and Senator Cochran. They are the best we have.
Madam President, I gave a talk a week ago tomorrow to a group of people. It was a church meeting. There were adults and young adults there. I told them about my experience serving in the Congress. I have served in the House, and I have served in the Senate. It is not like when I practiced law.
When I practiced law, you put everything in writing. We do not do that in the Congress. We do not do that in the Senate. Your word is your bond. If a Republican Senator or a Democratic Senator--it does not matter--if you tell them you are going to do something, that is the way it is.
To show how powerful and important that is, Alan Bible was a Senator from Nevada who served 20 years and became ill. He retired. When he passed away--there was a plane that was always available to take Senators to funerals. The plane was scheduled to go to Nevada so Senators could attend Alan Bible's funeral.
There was a Republican on that airplane, Ted Stevens. The reason he was on that airplane was there was a vote very important to Ted Stevens dealing with Alaskan oil. Alan Bible had given his word he was going to vote with Ted Stevens. There was tremendous pressure on Alan Bible. Alan Bible's vote was the essential vote, and he withstood all the pressure and voted with Ted Stevens. That is the reason Ted Stevens went to Reno, NV: to honor the life of Alan Bible because he kept his word.
That is what we do in this Senate. We keep our word. It does not matter with whom you make an arrangement; if you tell him you are going to do something, if you tell her you are going to do something, that is the way it is.
So my disappointment in what has happened in the last few minutes is--it appears Senator Murray said it in a more discreet fashion than I am going to say it. Somebody did not keep their word. And that, I suggest, should be worked out. I think if someone in this body is known to have broken their word--and I was part of the little conversation right here--you do not take advantage of people. There are a lot of rules that allow you to take advantage of people, but you cannot do that.
So this is not appropriate. This is wrong. And I would hope that the Senator from Louisiana would kind of retrace his steps and back off and put us back where we should be. If that is not the case, and he chooses not to do that, I think it is going to be a difficult time, I would suggest, for him making other arrangements with Senators in the future because that is how we do business here.
Madam President, if the Republican floor staff would check to find out if we could do the vote at 1:50, 2 o'clock. Two o'clock is fine? Two o'clock.
Madam President, are we in a quorum call?
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the 15 minutes prior to the vote be equally divided between those in favor of the amendment and those opposed to it. Senator Dorgan is in favor of it, so he would get 7\1/2\ minutes. Is that appropriate?
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, we are in the twilight zone. We are on an appropriations bill. An amendment was offered subject to a point of order. The point of order was raised and sustained by the Chair. And now the person who won wants to appeal the ruling of the Chair.
I will be happy to yield for a question.
I say to my friend, you won. The rule XVI you raised and you won. The amendment falls. And it is a Democratic amendment.
Just a second; I have the floor.
I will be happy to yield for a question.
Mr. President, that is why I said I think we are kind of in a twilight zone here. The Chair is not partisan. The Parliamentarians who serve at our pleasure, Democrats and Republicans, are not partisan. They go by the rules and the precedents set in this body.
I will be happy to yield to my friend. I will say to my friend, he and I were on this floor and we danced this tune once before. It took us 4 years to unwind from it. That is why the vote yesterday was so important.
Mr. President, our roles were reversed too many years ago when I had his job and he had my job, and it was a very difficult time. Even everything being in order, to move these appropriations bills is hard, and then anybody can offer anything on them. The key to these appropriations bills is you deal with matters of appropriation, not some of the subjects people have thrown into them all the time.
As my friend said, there is a lot of frustration. The House can move a lot of authorizing legislation. We cannot over here. So there is a tremendous temptation to stick in these appropriations bills all kinds of authorizing legislation that shouldn't be on appropriations bills.
I plead to my friend from South Carolina: It doesn't prove anything to have us vote on something--you have already won. I will also say this. The only partisan nature of raising points of order is we try--it usually works out that way--if there is a Republican who violates a point of order, a Democrat who is the manager of the bill will raise a point of order; if it is a Democrat, then a Republican will raise a point of order. That is the only partisan nature of raising points of order.
I will be happy to yield.
Mr. President, I appreciate my colleague, calling on his years of experience, to try to settle things down.
I would say that, perhaps with Senator Vitter, giving him the benefit of the doubt, maybe there was a misunderstanding in the conversation. That is totally possible. Maybe he didn't understand the rules. Maybe he didn't do one thing and say something else, and I accept that, if in fact that is the case.
So I think what we should do is, I am going to ask a quorum call be started, and then we will huddle over here and see if we can work all this out.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, due to the good work of my friend from Mississippi and others, on both sides, here is what we are going to do. There has been a point of order raised against the Dorgan amendment, and that has been sustained. So that amendment will fall. And in the order of amendments filed, Senator Vitter's is at No. 11 or 12; OK?
Senator Vitter, when he had his conversation with Senator Cochran, Senator Murray, and me, was under the impression he could still modify his amendment. We thought differently. It was just a misunderstanding. Maybe we have been around here too long--I shouldn't say ``we.'' Maybe I have been around here a long time and just accept things for the way they appear to be and not sometimes the way they are. Senator Vitter has said there was nothing nefarious in what he did. He just assumed he could automatically modify that. And under the rules, he could.
So we will go back right where we were. No one is accusing Senator Vitter of anything that is illegal or unethical. It was simply a misunderstanding among the four of us. So anything I have said earlier today, based on my misunderstanding of him and what his thoughts were, just forget about them because based on the conversation I have had with him in the last few minutes, that wasn't the case. So I shouldn't have been as upset, and
Senator Murray shouldn't have been as upset as she was. Senator Cochran was his usual stoic self trying to lead us in the right direction, which we didn't go.
I will be happy to yield.
Finally, Mr. President, let me say, I haven't mentioned his name but, of course, the distinguished Republican leader, being involved in this little huddle that took place, had a tremendous influence on our ability to work this out. I would say--and I hope I don't jinx anything we are working on now--what I would really like us to do is to see if in the foreseeable future we can work out a time on this bill for final passage. No one has had any amendments being prohibited. If people don't want to have final passage in the next 24 hours or so, that's fine.
As I have said before, I don't want to file cloture. We can just keep grinding through the weekend, but I would rather not do that.
Sometime today we are going to see if we can move to the conference report that Senator Lieberman has so masterfully brought back to us dealing with the 9/11 Commission recommendations. He, of course, worked with Senator Inouye and others to get this done, and so we will do that at a later time. But I wish everyone would work--certainly the two managers of the bill--to see when would be an appropriate time to see about a time for final passage.
Remember, we have this bill to complete. We have to work on children's health. We have two conference reports--there may be three conference reports--and that is all we have to do. But we have to go through all the procedural hurdles, and that may take longer than any of us wants to get through in the next few days.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I have consulted with the Democratic manager of this bill, I have spoken to Senator Cochran, Senator McConnell. We are going to plow on to finish this bill tonight.
Now, we have worked long and hard the last couple of weeks, late nights, and we may have to have one tonight. We really need to finish this legislation for all of the reasons we have all talked about before, not the least of which is we have so much to do next week that we have to finish this tonight. We also have some other things we are going to try to do, but everyone should be aware of that. Do not plan on going home for dinner tonight.
And following the vote on that, that the Senator from Louisiana be recognized for 10 minutes to speak on the amendment.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that following the disposition of H.R. 2638, the Senate turn to the consideration of the conference report on H.R. 1, the 9/11 bill; that there be 90 minutes of debate to be equally divided under the control of the two leaders or their designees, and 30 additional minutes for Senator Coburn; that at the conclusion of the time for debate on the conference report Senator DeMint be recognized to offer a motion to recommit the conference report to report back with his dock worker provisions; that there be 20 minutes equally divided for debate on his motion; that no other amendments or motions be in order; that at the conclusion or yielding back of time, the Senate vote on his motion to recommit; that if the motion is defeated, the Senate then vote on passage of the conference report, with the proceeding all occurring without intervening action or debate.
Of course, everybody knows this has been cleared with my counterpart, Senator McConnell.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that upon passage of H.R. 2638, the Senate insist on its amendment, request a conference with the House on the disagreeing votes of the two Houses and the Chair be authorized to appoint conferees on the part of the Senate and the subcommittee be appointed as conferees, with no intervening action or debate.
Mr. President, we are working our way through things, so we will go into a short quorum call.
I suggest the absence of a quorum.