Mr. President, this is important legislation, the immigration bill. I was able to have a discussion with Senator Reid yesterday. He was moving forward on the motion to proceed to the bill which requires considerable debate. I asked for and…
Mr. President, this is important legislation, the immigration bill. I was able to have a discussion with Senator Reid yesterday. He was moving forward on the motion to proceed to the bill which requires considerable debate. I asked for and insisted on the opportunity to have some time today to talk about it, and he agreed to that. I think that was a good step, and I thank him for that agreement.
We have a lot to talk about. The matters are complex and important, and I urge my colleagues to pay real attention to the legislation. This is the bill, as printed, front and back of each page. It was reportedly going to be 1,000 pages, and our colleagues were proud to say it was 800 pages. Since then, more has been added to it, and now it is over 1,000 pages again.
It is very complex and there are certain key points with multiple references to other code sections that are in existing law; therefore, it is very difficult to read.
It takes a considerable amount of time, and I don't even suspect the Gang of 8 has had the time to read, digest, and understand fully what is in the legislation.
We are a nation of immigrants. The people whom I know who are concerned about this legislation in Congress are not against immigration. I certainly am not. We admit about 1 million people a year legally into our country, and that is a substantial number by any standard. Indeed, it is the highest of any country in the world. It is important we execute that policy in an effective way as it impacts our whole Nation.
Immigration has enriched our culture. It has boosted our economy, and we have had tremendously wonderful people who have come here--people who have contributed to our arts, our business and economy, science and sports. We have had a good run with immigration in a lot of ways, but we need to ask ourselves at this point in time: Is it working within limits? Are the American people happy with what we are doing? Are we moving in the right direction?
We know our generous policies have resulted in a substantial flow of people into the country, and our challenge today is to create a lawful system of immigration that serves the national interests and admits those people into our country who are most likely to be successful, to prosper, and to flourish, therefore, most likely to be beneficial to America. Surely we can agree that is a good policy, and it has not been our policy prior to this.
We have both the enormous illegal flow of people into the country as well as a legal flow that is not evaluated in a way that other advanced nations do when they execute their policies of immigration, for example, Canada. We should establish smart rules for admittance, rules that benefit America, rules that must be enforced, and must be lawful. We cannot reject a dutiful, good person to America and then turn around and allow someone else who came in illegally to benefit from breaking our laws to the disadvantage of the good person who, when told no, had to accept that answer. It is just the way we are.
So we must establish smart rules for admittance, rules that benefit America, and these rules have to be enforced--and that is not happening today.
The current policies we have are not serving our country well; therefore, a reformed immigration system should spend some time in depth in public analysis of how and what we should consider as we decide who should be admitted, because we cannot admit everybody. When that is done, we need to create a system we can expect to actually work to enforce the standards we have. I believe we can make tremendous progress, and we can fix this system. It needs to be fixed.
The legislation that has been offered by the Gang of 8 says they fixed it. Don't worry; we have taken care of all that is needed; we have a plan that will be compassionate to people who have been here and we have a plan which will work in the future and end illegality. Well, it won't do that, and that is the problem.
It will definitely give amnesty today. It will definitely give immediate legal status to some 11 million people today, but the promises of enforcement in the future, the promises that the legislation will focus on a way that enhances the success rate of people who come to America is not fulfilled in the legislation.
Read the bill and see what is in it. I wish it were different. We will talk about in the days and weeks to come what is in the bill and why it fails. I can share with everyone how it is we came to have such a flawed bill before us. We need to understand that as we go forward.
I am amazed the Gang of 8 has sent such legislation forward, and how aggressively they defended it in the Judiciary Committee. We did have a markup in the Judiciary Committee. We were allowed to offer amendments and had some debate there, but it was an odd thing. Repeatedly members who were not even in the Gang of 8 said: I like this amendment, but I cannot vote for it because I understand it upsets the deal. We need to ask ourselves: Who made the deal? Whose deal is this? How is it that the deal is such that Members of the Senate who agreed to an amendment say they must vote against the amendment because it upsets some deal? Who was in this room? Who was in the deal-making process? So I think that was a revealing time in the committee. They had agreed and stated openly there would be no substantial changes in the agreements the Gang of 8 made, and they would stick together and vote against any changes except for minor changes. There were a number of amendments accepted, a number of Republican amendments accepted. Many of those were second degree or altered by the majority in the committee, but none of those fundamentally altered the framework and the substance of this legislation. I don't think that is disputable, and we will talk about that. So this is the problem we are working with.
So how did the legislation become as ineffective as it is? I contend--I think it is quite plain--it is because it was not written by independent Members of the Senate in a more open process but was written by special interests. I wish to share some thoughts on that subject right now because I think it goes to the heart of the difficulties we have.
There were continual meetings over a period of quite a number of months that got this bill off on the wrong track in the beginning. Powerful groups met, excluding the interests of the American people, excluding the law enforcement community. Throughout the bill we can see the influence these groups had on the drafting of it. Some of the groups actually did the drafting.
A lot of the language clearly came from the special interest groups engaged in these secret negotiations.
What is a special interest group? A special interest group is a group of people who have a commitment, an interest they want to advance, but they don't pretend to share the national interest. So maybe it is a legitimate special interest, maybe it is not a legitimate special interest, but they have a special interest, a particular interest they want to advance.
So this is what happened: Big labor and big business were active in drafting this legislation, with the entire deal obviously hanging on, it was reported, their negotiations. For example, the Wall Street Journal, March 10:
Competing interests abound. The Chamber of Commerce and
businesses it represents are locked into negotiations with
the AFL-CIO about workers in industries like hospitality and
landscaping. Meanwhile, farm-worker unions have been quietly
negotiating with growers associations about how to revamp
short-term visas for agricultural workers. And senators on
both sides of the aisle are weighing in to ensure their state
industries are protected.
The Washington Post, March 10: ``Hush-hush Meetings for Gang of 8 senators as they work on sweeping immigration bill.'' The article reads:
They are struggling on the question of legal immigration
and future workers, and are trading proposals with leaders of
the AFL-CIO and the Chamber of Commerce to try to get a deal.
``Try to get a deal,'' they are working on a deal.
How about this: Roll Call, March 21:
Talks led by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AFL-CIO over
a new guest-worker program for lower-skilled immigrants are
stalled, prompting members of the bipartisan group of eight
senators to get personally involved to try to nudge the
negotiations on to resolution.
So the Senators were not in those discussions. The Senators, when it got to be tough and things weren't moving along, they came in to try to egg it on, to get the agreement. Who is the agreement between? It is between the unions and big business, which are representing the American worker, effectively.
New York Times, March 30:
The nation's top businesses and labor groups have reached
an agreement on a guest worker program for low-skilled
immigrants, a person with knowledge of the negotiations said
. . . Senator Schumer convened a conference call on Friday
night with Thomas J. Donohue, the president of the U.S.
Chamber of Commerce, and Richard L. Trumka, the president of
the AFL-CIO, the nation's main federation of labor unions, in
which they agreed in principle on a guest worker program for
low-skilled, year-round, temporary workers.
We know there is one group not included in these talks, and that is the group given the duty to enforce the immigration laws. The national ICE union, the customs and enforcement organization, pleaded with the Gang of 8 to consult them. They urged the Gang of 8, they wrote letters to the Gang of 8, and I sent information to the Gang of 8 asking them to consult with the officers who have the duty to enforce this law, but to no avail. They were shut out of every meeting and never have been consulted.
It is interesting to note, however, that others weren't shut out of the meeting. They weren't left out of the room.
The Washington Post, April 13:
While Obama has allowed Senate negotiators to work on a
compromise that can win approval, a White House staff member
attends each staff-level meeting to monitor progress and
assist with the technical aspects of writing the bill.
So there has been an attempt to suggest that this is truly a congressional action, that the White House is just sort of hands off. But we know the White House is deeply involved in this and approving every aspect or disapproving aspects they don't like. The question is, Who is influencing this? Who is influencing the White House, President Obama?
The Daily Caller, on February 6, notes this:
On February 5th, Obama held a White House meeting with a
series of industry leaders, progressive advocates and ethnic
lobbies, including La Raza, to boost support for his plan
that would provide a conditional amnesty to 11 million
illegal aliens, allow new immigrants to get residency for
their relatives and elderly parents, and also establish rules
for a ``Future Flow'' of skilled and unskilled workers. The
invitees included the CEO of Goldman-Sachs, Motorola,
Marriott, and DeLoitte.
So they are in the meeting, apparently.
Also, we know participating in a lot of these discussions was the American Immigration Lawyers Association. This group obviously was involved in writing the bill, and I have to tell my colleagues that they will be the biggest winners of this legislation.
Time and again, rules that were fairly clear--and probably should have been made clearer--are muddled, provisions were placed in that will create litigation and encourage lawsuits, delays, and will increase costs. For example, ``hardship'' is the new standard for many waivers and exemptions in this bill, in many cases the exemptions are for family problems and other things of that nature. Well, when ICE says a person should be deported, then the deportee has the ability to say: Well, I have a hardship. My mother is here, I have a brother who is sick, or I need this or that.
What does ``hardship'' mean? It means a trial. That is what it means. So the Immigration Lawyers Association was substantially involved in the meetings.
Politico, on March 9, said:
In a bid to capitalize on the shared interest in
immigration reform, a budget deal and new trade pacts, the
White House has launched a charm offensive toward corporate
America since the November election, hosting more than a
dozen conference calls with top industry officials--which
have not previously been disclosed--along with a flurry of
meetings at the White House.
Continuing the quote:
Participants on the recent calls include the heads of
Goldman Sachs, the Business Roundtable, Evercore, Silver
Lake, Centerbridge Partners, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce as
well as the heads of Washington trade groups representing the
banking industry, such as the Financial Services Roundtable.
So they have been involved in these discussions. Even foreign countries have had a say in drafting our law.
The Hill, on February 7, reported:
Mexico's new Ambassador to the U.S., Eduardo Medina-Mora,
has had a ``number of meetings with the administration''
where the issue of immigration has come up since he took
office last month, said a Mexican official familiar with the
process. He is expected to meet with lawmakers shortly as
legislation begins to take form. ``Probably like no other
country, we are a player in this particular issue,'' the
source said.
Well, the law officers weren't in the room, we know that. People who question economically the size and scope and nature of our immigration system weren't in the room.
So in case anyone doubts the role of special interests in drafting the legislation, pay attention to this quote by Frank Sharry, executive director of the liberal pro-amnesty group, America's Voice, in the Wall Street Journal, April 17:
The triggers are based on developing plans and spending
money, not on reaching that effectiveness, which is really
quite clever.
In other words, the sponsors of the bill were telling everyone they had triggers in the bill that would guarantee enforcement of laws in the future about immigration flow into America, and that if enforcement didn't occur, the triggers would stop people from being legalized and end the process. That is not so. We have studied the language and we know the triggers are ineffectual and are not significant and won't work. That will be explained in the days to come.
Mr. Sharry acknowledges it. He said it was clever to have these faux triggers--these triggers that will not work--because we can tell everybody: Don't worry, the legality will not occur if the enforcement doesn't occur. But in clever ways they drafted a bill that will not work. They will say it works, but it will not work.
Again, with all of the slush funds in this bill, there are a number of them that go to private activist groups, community action groups. It is easy to see that special interests had a seat at the negotiation table.
The National Review, on May 29, reported:
A number of immigration-activist groups, such as the
National Council of La Raza, would be eligible to receive
millions in taxpayer funding to ``advise'' illegal immigrants
applying for legal status under the bill.
So money will go to these activist groups, such as La Raza. La Raza is responsible for advocating, not enforcing, our laws. So La Raza is in the meetings. La Raza is an open advocate for not enforcing laws involving illegal immigration. They are active participants in advocating for amnesty. They
are going to get money out of the deal with some of the grant programs, while the law officers who have the ability to tell the committee, the Gang of 8, how to make the system work are shut out of the process.
Were prosecutors involved in the process? No, they have not been.
The National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigrant group, has been involved in some of these discussions.
So some people have said the bill had to be drafted in secret, but that the markup process in the Judiciary Committee would be open and transparent. But that is only partially so. We did have a markup. We were allowed, those who had objections to the bill, to offer amendments, as did those who support the bill. We had the opportunity to talk and offer amendments. But at every turn in the committee the members of the Gang of 8 expressed support on occasions for certain amendments, only to vote against the amendment. Due, they said, to the agreement, they had to vote together and against significant amendments, regardless of their personal feelings.
The gang influenced other members on the committee to do the same. The Huffington Post, April 16, headline: ``Senate Immigration Group Turns to Keeping Fragile Agreement Intact.''
It goes on to quote Senator McCain as saying:
We will pledge to oppose, all eight of us, provisions that
would destroy the fragile agreement we have.
So they have an agreement. They have an agreement with the unions and big business and the agribusinesses and the food processors and La Raza and the immigration lawyers. They have an agreement with them, and they are going to defend it, even though they acknowledge amendments that were offered would improve the bill. This is no way to serve the national interest, in my view.
In discussing an amendment that would require workers to make a good- faith effort to hire American workers first, Senator Whitehouse said this--this is what happened in the committee--
I'm in a position which I'm being informed that this would
be a deal breaker to the deal. I, frankly, don't see how that
could be the case, but I'm not privy to that understanding,
and so I'm going to vote in support of the agreement that has
been reached.
In other words, Senator Whitehouse says: Well, I do not understand this. I would like to vote the other way, but I am told you have a deal and this would damage the deal and so I cannot vote for it. He was not even in the Gang of 8 but went along with that.
Related to that same amendment, Senator Franken echoed the remarks, saying:
I really just want to associate myself with Senator
Whitehouse's remarks.
He goes on to say:
I don't want to be a deal breaker.
In discussing an amendment that would increase family-based immigration, Senator Feinstein noted:
I think it's been a unique process because those people who
are members of a group that put this together have stood
together and have voted against amendments that they felt
would be a violation of the bipartisan agreement that brought
both sides together.
I am not sure that is always good. I am not sure that is the right thing to do to set public policy in America: to have some secret agreement, reached with a group of people we hardly know who they are, trump the ability to do the right thing for the American people.
I want to say that is what has happened here. And the point to make is, and what I think our colleagues need to understand and the American people need to understand: In reality, the special interests--La Raza, the unions, the corporate world, the big agriculture businesses, the food processors--they are the ones that made the agreement in this process, and the Senators merely ratified it, and they cannot agree to a change because they promised these special interest groups things. So if La Raza would accept point A that somebody wanted accepted, and the unions would accept point B, then they would both agree: I will do A if you will do B.
Then the bill gets to the floor and somebody says: A is wrong and we should not put that in the bill. Let's change that. Oh, no, we cannot change that. We have an agreement. The agreement with who? La Raza, the agribusinesses, the Chamber of Commerce, Microsoft, Zuckerberg. That is what happened here. I am just telling you. And the people who drafted this bill, the people who have advocated these special interests--we should not be surprised at their influence. Businesses, groups, organizations have special interests. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. What is wrong is that Members of Congress--Members of the Senate--need to be representing the national interests, the people's interests, the workers' interests in America. That is what we need to be doing--not representing the special interests.
I have to tell you, the openness of this is sort of breathtaking to me. Who is protecting the national interests? Did they have any of the top-ranked economists in this country being asked what would be the right number of low-skilled workers to bring into America? Did they have any of the top experts say how many advanced science degrees can we have? How many of our college graduates are unemployed? What is the right number? None of this was apparently discussed by our colleagues who allowed this process to go forward.
I would say, finally, with regard to the special interests, they have no interest--virtually none of them that were involved in this process--of guaranteeing in the future that we do not have more illegally immigration. That is the failure here. They do not have any interest in that and, therefore, there was no intensity of interest in that aspect of the legislation.
Oh, there was a lot of interest in how many computer programmers could be admitted or how many agriculture workers or how many low- skilled factory workers or construction workers or other workers. They all worried about that. They fought over that. That is what these negotiations were about. There were internal discussions and disagreements.
But nobody was investing any time or interest in the second phase of this. If you have an amnesty, if you have a legality of millions of people who came here illegally, what are we going to do to ensure it does not happen in the future?
I was a Federal prosecutor. I personally tried an immigration case myself. I bet nobody else here can say that. So I am aware you have to have certain legal processes and certain investments in investigative and enforcement mechanisms to make the system work in the future.
As we go forward with this debate, we are going to show--and it is going to be clear--that this has not been fixed and, in fact, the standards of current law with regard to what ought to be done-- requirements in current Federal law--are being weakened, some of them eviscerated by this bill.
This bill is far weaker than the 2007 legislation. I do not think there is any doubt about that. It will be clear when we get through it. It was rejected by the American people--the 2007 agreement--and it actually weakens current law in quite a number of significant areas-- weakens current law--while we are being told: Do not worry, this is the toughest bill ever.
If I am mistaken, I am sure we will hear about that as we discuss it. This is a great democracy we are part of and I am expressing my view. But I have spent some time on these issues. I was involved with it in 2006 and 2007. I was a Federal prosecutor. I have done this over the years. I know how our ICE agents work, our Border Patrol agents work, our customs and immigration service people work. I have worked with them. I have tried cases for them. I know them personally. They have been left out of this process.
The ICE union has voted no confidence in John Morton, their supervisor. What a dramatic event. I am not aware of that ever happening in my 14 years-plus as a Federal prosecutor--the actual employment union declaring that they have no confidence in their supervisor. And what did they say? They said he spends all his time advocating for amnesty and not enforcing the laws. He is directing us to not follow legal requirements we took an oath to follow.
And get this: The ICE officers have filed a lawsuit in Federal court attacking Secretary Napolitano, or at least the conduct of her office. They have asserted she is not above the law, she is not authorized to direct them not to follow plain requirements of Federal law. The Federal judge initially seemed to accept the validity of the lawsuit.
I have never heard of that before. This is an incredible event. Nobody is even talking about it. It has been the position of this administration, everybody has to know, to see that the law is not being effectively enforced, particularly in the interior of America.
That has basically been--some even acknowledge--a de facto amnesty because you are directing your law officers not to do their duty. You basically eliminated the law. The administration should not be doing that. Congress has refused to change these laws time and again. If anything, they have sometimes increased them, strengthened them. And now we have our agents blocked from enforcing them.
The U.S. customs and immigration service that deals with the visas, deals with the applications for citizenship--CIS, the Citizenship and Immigration Service, they deal with the citizenship processes and the paperwork and all of that. They have written in opposition to this legislation.
So first, the ICE officers--Chris Crane, the head of that group, has written a powerful letter in detail condemning this legislation, saying it will not work, it will make matters worse, and it will endanger national security.
The Citizenship and Immigration Service group that deals with the paperwork and the citizenship processing and the visa work--and a lot of that--has likewise written saying this bill will not work and they oppose it.
Well, I have to say, somebody needs to be thinking about what is going on here. Right. Amnesty--done. The promise of enforcement, the toughest bill ever in the future--no, sir, not there, not close. That is why we have a problem. I cannot understand why people would not want the legal system to be complete, to be effective, and would be followed so we as Americans could be proud of it.
There is a lot of power behind this legislation. I can feel it. When I raise questions, push-back comes. You are not politically correct; you are unkind; you do not like immigrants. That is offensive to me. I believe in immigration. We have a million people who come in here every year legally. I do not oppose that. I do not oppose doing something responsible and compassionate for the people who have been here a long time illegally. But we have to be careful about it.
But the American people are so right on their basic instinct about this matter. I have to say how I believe the American people's hearts and souls are good about immigration. A lot of people think: Well, we have to meet in secret and we have to run this bill through as fast as possible because we do not want the American people to find out about it because they do not like immigrants. Not so. A recent poll revealed something very important, and our Members of this body and the House need to know it. It said: If you are angry about the way things are going with regard to immigration, are you angry at the people who came into the country illegally or are you angry at the government officials for allowing it to happen? Mr. President, 12 percent said they were angry at the people who entered illegally. Mr. President, 88 percent said they were angry at public officials for not creating a legal system that will work.
Doesn't that speak well of the American people? You could be angry about somebody who came into our country in violation of the law. But I think the American people understand that people want to come here, and it is our duty to stop it. They have been pleading with Congress for over 30 years to do something about it, to create a lawful system, to end the lawlessness, to do the right thing, to create immigration processes that we can be proud of, such as Canada has and other countries around the world have.
We believe in immigration. We want to do the right thing, but it needs to be lawful. We have more applicants for admission into America than we can possibly accept. I was in, I believe, Peru with Senator Specter a number of years ago, and a poll was called to our attention from Nicaragua that said 60 percent of the people in Nicaragua said they would come to America if they could--60 percent. Then the Ambassador in Peru told us they had a poll around there that said 70 percent.
Well, everybody cannot come to America.
We are not able to assimilate or absorb that. We all know that. We all agree with that. So therefore you set rules and processes that we can be proud of, that are fair and objective, and that people who want to come meet those standards and they wait their turn and they come lawfully.
We have had from this administration and prior administrations-- President Bush also--too little interest in seeing that the law is enforced. We have loopholes in our laws and processes that need to be fixed. We can do that with a good immigration bill, but this one does not get it done.
I noticed that my friend did an op-ed yesterday--Karl Rove, who was President Bush's political adviser, a man of great talent back in the day that we were in college together. He quotes a lot of polls that say the American people are willing to accept legal processes and status for people in this country. I acknowledge that. They are. But he does not quote the polls that say overwhelmingly that they want the illegality ended. They want border security first because they are smart enough to know that if we do not get border security now, we may never get it. In fact, they want to get it. History tells us so.
He did not quote a recent Rasmussen poll. This is what was in the Rasmussen polling report. The so-called Gang of 8 proposal in the Senate legalizes the status of immigrants first and promises to secure the border later. By a 4-to-1 margin, people want that process reversed. My good friend Karl Rove did not quote that.
Additionally, while voters think highly of immigrants, which speaks well of us as American people, they do not trust the government. That skepticism is growing. In January 45 percent thought it was at least somewhat likely that the Federal Government would work to secure the border and prevent future illegal immigration. Today only 30 percent has that confidence. Why? Because they are beginning to learn that this bill does not do what they were told it was going to do.
The growing awareness of the border control issue has led to other shifts in public opinion as well. Early in the year Democrats were trusted more than Republicans on the issue of immigration. Now that has switched. Well, we are not interested in politics, we are interested in doing the right thing. When we do the right thing, the people will affirm it.
So Mr. Rove goes on to say: Now, do not say amnesty.
My friend Karl: Do not say amnesty. That is a bad thing for you to say.
Well, let me just say that under the legislation that is before us now, we would have a circumstance immediately where people will be given legal status. They will be able to get any job and they are here safe and sound. Unless they get arrested for a felony or something very serious like that, they are put on a path that guarantees them the ability to go all the way to citizenship.
Mr. Rove says they have to pay a $1,000 fine over 6 years. What is that--$170 dollars a year, $15, $12 a month? So this is the punishment? You pay $12 a month worth of fines, which allows you not to have to go home even though you entered the country illegally, did not wait your turn, and you are guaranteed a path to citizenship. Then at the end you have to pay another $1,000 some 10, 13 years later. So this is the punishment in the legislation. But the people who came illegally get exactly what they wanted immediately, which is to stay here, have the ability to work here. They will get a Social Security card. They will get the ability to go to any job in the country. They will have an ID that would allow them to do that. So they will be able to compete for any job in America. They will be able to compete for jobs that our husbands and sons and daughters and grandchildren might be competing for out there. There will be 11 million in that position.
So I do not think my friend Karl is making a very strong point there that this is some sort of punishment. He says: They must pay taxes. Well, hallelujah. Should you not pay taxes? They are ``barred from receiving any Federal benefits, including welfare and ObamaCare.'' That is a flat statement, and it is flat wrong. The first group, the DREAM Act group, which will be some 2, 2\1/2\ million, maybe 3 million, they will be citizens in 5 years and will
be able to get any of the Federal welfare programs in 5 years. Many of the ag workers will be in that position in 10 years. Any workers who qualify for the earned-income tax credit can get that immediately--now.
Other provisions are put off for 10, 13 years, and that makes the cost score look better. But over the long term, once the group is given legal status and citizenship, they will then qualify for every program. Since overwhelmingly the number of the workers here today are lower skilled who are illegal--they are lower skilled, and you can expect their incomes to be low--they will qualify for the earned-income tax credit, for Medicaid and program after program, food stamps and others.
The score goes up tremendously in the outyears. The Heritage Foundation is the only group who has done an in-depth analysis. They say that over the lifetime of the program, the people who are here illegally--if they are legalized under this bill, it would add $6.3 trillion to the debt and deficit of the United States. That is a lot of money. That is almost as much as the unfunded liability of Social Security, which is about $7 trillion. So this will be $6 trillion. Some say that number is too high, but I have not seen anybody say that number is not in the ball park. Nobody else has done a study to refute it. It is going to be trillions of dollars in the outyears.
It is not true that there will be no government benefits going to people who are in the country who get legalized under this. It is just not so. Well, this is another point. To me, this is sort of a fundamental point. It sounds so good when you have a political guru like my friend Carl. He says: To renew their temporary status after 6 years, those waiting to become citizens must prove they have been steadily employed, paid all taxes, and are not on welfare.
So let's take what has happened. So we have an individual who has been in the country 3 years. They get the provisional legal status immediately when the bill passes. In 6 years they have to, we are told, show they are steadily employed, paying taxes, and are not on welfare. Well, who is going to investigate that, first? No one.
So they have already been here 3 years. As long as they came before December 31, 2011, they are given legal status. Whether they have a job or not, they are given this legal status. Without a family, without roots in America other than having been here, they claim, before December 31, 2011. But we are not willing to deport them. So now 6 years later, they work intermittently, they are unemployed, and we have a recession, and we do not have enough jobs for people, and we are going to send out the feds and uproot them--their children are now in junior high and high school--and send them back home? Give me a break. That is one of the most bogus claims ever. That will not be enforced. There are waiver authorities in the bill, so waivers will be issued. Nobody is going out to enforce this. I am just tired of them saying this. They should not even say it to try to get the American people to believe that we are going to actually go out and deport what could be millions of people who are out of work in the 5- or 6-year period when they have to reestablish themselves. That just bothers me.
These individuals, Karl Rove said, ``must stand at the back of the line behind everyone who is waiting patiently and legally to immigrate here.'' That is not so. Give me a break. Those people are here illegally now. They do not want to be deported, which is understandable. They are going to be given permanent status, a Social Security number, and a right to work anywhere in America. They are not ahead of somebody from Honduras waiting in line to come here, or not ahead of somebody in China or Italy or Spain? Of course they are ahead of them. They are not waiting. I am without words to express my concern about that. We need to be accurate about what the legislation says.
What about this amnesty? Well, people say: You should not call it amnesty.
Well, I think that is a legitimate word. The legislation before us would immediately give legal status, allow people to move to legal permanent residency and citizenship later. You have to pay a few thousand dollars in fines. Well, I think that is amnesty.
Someone said: Well, they pay a $1,000 fine. They paid a penalty; therefore, you can't call it amnesty.
No, I do not agree. This legislation basically says that everybody here is given legal status and put on a guaranteed path to citizenship; just do not get convicted of a felony. So I really do not think that is a good argument. So that will continue for a bit. But I think the sponsors kind of gave up objecting back in 2007 when the legislation was before us at that time. But I would note that in 2007 the initial fine that people paid had to be paid up front--$3,000. Under this bill you pay a $1,000 fine over 6 years. Then to get a green card, the legal permanent residency, you had to pay an additional $4,000, and an interim review period called for a fine or payment of $1,500. In total, $8,500. So in 2007 the payment required for somebody to move forward to citizenship was up to $8,500. This bill is $2,000--really $1,000 to be able to stay here and work here, and that is a payment which is stretched out over time. The bill allows the fine to be paid in installments. So I would have to say it is difficult for me to accept that these people are earning their citizenship and that they are paying a price for it.
Then Mr. Rove mentions they have to pay their taxes. But one of our watchful publications, Politico, did an article about that on June 3. They said with regard to tax payments:
After all, it was one of the Gang of Eight's main talking
points when it unveiled the immigration blueprint in January.
Sponsors vowed that their proposal would include a back tax
requirement to ward off critics' claims that their bill would
be amnesty. Citizenship would come at a price, they said.
But the gang has all but dropped that talking point. The
immigration legislation currently moving through the Senate
includes a scaled-back provision that relies almost entirely
on immigrants coming forward to the Internal Revenue Service
voluntarily. Critics call it ``toothless.''
It is toothless. There is no back tax. My friend, Karl Rove, is still out here spinning, claiming you have some great advantage. We are going to collect all these back taxes.
Nobody is going to investigate these cases, even if the law is clear. We don't have the money and the ability to do so, and it is not going to happen. That is just a fact.
Let's talk about in general some of the other issues that will come before us. I know my colleague, Senator Lee, will be joining us on the floor in a little bit, and I will yield to him if and when he comes, but I wanted to talk about these promises we were given by the people who wrote the bill, a promise that the path to citizenship would be ``contingent upon securing our border and tracking whether legal immigrants have left the country when required.''
Now, that is fundamentally correct. That was the promise. That is one of the Gang of 8 principles they published. Our bill, they say, does that. I wish that were so. A path to citizenship would be ``contingent upon securing our borders and tracking whether legal immigrants have left the country when required.'' But in truth, the bill is amnesty first and a promise of enforcement later.
With regard to tracking immigrants who leave the country when they are required to, it devastates and weakens current law, so that can never happen, effectively. It is unbelievable to me they would directly pass a bill that directly contradicts current law.
On ``Meet the Press'' not too long ago, Senator Schumer--and one of the Gang of 8--said it flatout. He acknowledged that promise of enforcement first is not going to happen. He said, ``First, people will be legalized. . . . Then we will make sure the border is secure.''
Instead of enforcement first, it is legalization first. That is as plain as day. It is not even disputed in any law. The illegal immigrants would be legalized immediately, and not a single border or interior enforcement measure has to be in place then or ever.
All Secretary Napolitano needs to do is submit two reports to Congress. Illegal immigrants will then begin receiving legal status, work permits, Social Security accounts, driver's licenses, travel documents, and other State benefits, financial benefits, that come from the States. Nothing requires that any border security be in place, any fence be built, before this amnesty is ever accomplished.
We were told we were going to have a trigger. Until the fences were built, until other enforcement mechanisms were undertaken, until that happened, you weren't going to have amnesty. But it is not so. All the Secretary needs to do is submit a report. She has already said we have better enforcement than ever before in history and indicated she does not believe we need more fencing. The contention from the Gang of 8 that we are going to have major fencing at the border has not been proven.
The Secretary of Homeland Security is merely supposed to develop a plan. Frank Sharry, the head of the pro-amnesty group, as I noted, said the following:
The triggers are based on developing plans and spending
money, not on reaching that effectiveness, which is really
quite clever.
Mr. Sharry let the cat out of the bag. He said it is a faux trigger, an apparent trigger that is not real. He said it was ``quite clever''-- and indeed it is--but it is now becoming clear that what has been promised is not happening. You could say to the American people: Don't be taken in on this. We can see it now, make your voices heard, follow this debate. If the promises for this bill are not followed, then let your voice be heard in Congress. Tell your Congressmen you are not happy. Tell your Senator you have to do better.
The whole crux of it is that if we have an amnesty, if we have a very generous, compassionate treatment of people who violated our laws and come here, shouldn't we have a policy that ends the illegality in the future?
That is what the American people have demanded for 30 years. They are good and decent people. That is an absolutely proper thing for them to demand of Congress, and we are not doing it. It is heartbreaking to me that we are here going through this process with a bill as flawed as this one. As times goes by we will talk more about it.
I see my friend, the Senator from Utah, Mr. Lee, who is a fabulous new addition to the Senate Judiciary Committee, where this legislation moved. He contributed in many able ways to the discussion, offering excellent amendments. He is a skilled lawyer and a man who is deeply committed to the principles of law that made our country great.
I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Mr. President, I ask unanimous consent that I be allowed to engage in a colloquy with Senator Lee.
Mr. President, I thank the Senator for his comments and insight and contribution to the debate, as well as his clear mind and thinking that causes us to analyze how to handle things.
The problem we have today, at the most fundamental level, is that in 1987, as Senator Grassley has been so passionate and so clear about, we voted for the 1987 amnesty, and amnesty occurred immediately with the promise of enforcement in the future. So in the view of Senator Grassley, and the view of the American people by a 4-to-1 margin in a recent poll, we should have the enforcement first and then we will talk about amnesty. All right?
Senator Lee offered an amendment that dealt with this process. Under the legislation we have here, the question of enforcement is almost entirely given to the Secretary of Homeland Security, who has basically said enforcement is good now and we don't need any more enforcement and that she would basically certify or establish whether we have an effective border and enforcement system, and if not she would issue a report and would turn it over to a commission that had no power and they could review it. But that absolves Congress of their responsibility.
With that as background, the Senator offered a very interesting amendment that I think places the responsibility for enforcement where it should be. Would the Senator explain his thinking on that?
I would say this is a very important amendment and I think it reveals a lot, as the Senator indicated. When we vote on an amnesty bill, and if that were to pass, the Senators voting for it are basically promising the American people, giving assurances to the American people they will end the illegality in the future. Because as I noted, the polls are 4 to 1 that we should have the enforcement before we give amnesty. And the reason is due to a lack of confidence.
So I think if the Senator's amendment had been passed, it would have placed some burden on us, a moral obligation to stand before the world at a point in time in the future and declare whether we have accomplished what we promised the American people we would do. Is that part of the Senator's thinking?
I thank the Senator. I think that is very wise insight.
On the question of immigration, Congress has been irresponsible. The American people have pleaded with us to end the illegality and create a lawful system that serves the national interest--a system we can be proud of. And for 30 years Congress has failed.
The Senator's amendment requiring that vote by Congress to assure we do what we have promised to do reminds me of what happened in 2007-- another bill that was a comprehensive immigration bill on the floor. I opposed that bill. It was stronger than this bill, considerably, in a lot of different ways, but it failed because we didn't have confidence about the future.
In the course of that debate, I think maybe shortly after the bill failed, we had an amendment to build a certain amount of fencing on the border. I offered that amendment, and it passed overwhelmingly.
Republicans and Democrats, virtually everybody, voted to build more fencing at the border--700 miles out of about a 1,700-mile border. Everybody was for that. But that was just the first vote, as our colleagues know. The second vote was whether anybody would appropriate any money to build the fence. So not long afterwards up comes an appropriations bill for homeland security and it had no money for the fence in it. Our colleagues, going back home: I voted to build a fence. But here we have a bill on the floor that doesn't have any money to build a fence. The fence wasn't going to get built.
I raised Cain about it and fussed and fussed and sort of mocked the Congress for one moment, saying: You are going to do something and not step up to the plate a little later. And they put money in for the fence. But you know what happened. Of the double-layered fencing that was required, 700 miles of it, only 36 were built. They came up with this idea of a virtual fence--airplanes and computers and radar, I guess. It was a total failure. We spent $1 billion. It was abandoned. There are only 36 miles of double-fencing and 100 or so miles of automobile barriers. It was never built.
If we had to vote again to affirm what we did in the year, I think that would make it more likely--from my experience here about how this body works--that what we promised would get done. Does the Senator agree?
I thank my colleague because the dangerous problem is so very real. As Senator Grassley has so eloquently discussed, it is one thing to grant amnesty today, it is another to see in the future that we follow through on a system that will end illegality in America.
Senator Lee, you are a good lawyer. You have been involved in a number of these issues. It is very clear that the American Immigration Lawyers Association was involved in the drafting of this legislation. I do not say it was all done just for their personal gain, but did the Senator notice quite a number of alterations in current law that gave more flexibility, and resulted in more uncertainty; where the law says thus and so, but it can be waived for hardship or family problems or other matters?
As a lawyer, consider what at first glance would be an open-and-shut case where your client is in the country illegally and due to be deported, but now under the bill, the client can demand a trial and perhaps overload the system. Everybody claims hardship; everybody claims some other exception to the rule. Is there a danger that our whole enforcement system would be bogged down in litigation we never had before?
I couldn't agree more. When you, as I had the honor to do, prosecute violations of Federal law for over 14 years, you feel a deep, abiding sense that fairness has to occur. You are putting somebody in jail for a period of time. You are saying ``you don't get this money'' if they submit a claim you cannot give them, even though they might benefit but they do not qualify. When you do these things day after day, you have to believe that the system works.
With regard to immigration, it is so deeply important that people who wait in line and who do things the right way, believe others are not getting away with it and are not beating the system. Otherwise, they feel like chumps. They feel as though they have been had by the system.
It is such a deep moral responsibility, not just for the Federal prosecutors. The ones I know feel deeply about this. They really feel that sense because you cannot do your job every day and go to bed and sleep if you do not believe that everybody is equal and the system works.
You do a tough job one day: You don't qualify for disability; you don't qualify for money; you have to go to jail. The guidelines say you go. And then the next guy comes along and the guidelines don't apply to him. The next guy files a claim and he gets some money and you didn't. It is so critical for the magnificent legal heritage of our country that the law be followed equally. Anybody who suggests that this amnesty that will occur has no moral consequences does not understand the depth of the question involved.
If we do it and if we do something very compassionate for people who are here illegally, the American people are correct to say: Do not let it happen again. Do not let this happen again. The way the law should work in America: You come legally--OK. You don't come legally, you get deported. That is what the law is. That is what it should be. Anything less than that cannot be defended morally. It cannot be defended constitutionally. It cannot be defended legally. It cannot be defended as a matter of policy.
People blithely suggest we can just reward an American who came into this country illegally, 18 months ago, and never had a job, but because they were not caught and deported in the interim, they get to stay here legally forever and be on a guaranteed path to citizenship. Whereas your friend who came here legally and followed the rules, the lady who wrote you, has to go back home? We cannot treat this lightly.
If we do this--and I am prepared to work on it and try to do it in a good way--we absolutely have to do it in a way that does not damage, too much, the rule of law. It will damage the rule of law because it is a violation of the rule of law to reward somebody who came illegally by giving them the benefit of their act. If people rob a bank and you catch them, they have to give the money back. They don't get to keep the money. They don't get to keep the benefits of their activity, normally.
We are willing to reconsider that. We are willing, as a nation, to compassionately reconsider that. I think the American people are willing to do this. But I ask my colleague Senator Lee whether he believes people feel uneasy about this. They don't like it that this is a thing they believe they must do, but they know it is not a good thing and should be avoided in the future?
That is a very interesting insight the Senator made. I believe Senator Schumer was particularly hostile to that amendment and said: Without citizenship, there is no reform. In other words, we will not agree to anything; that is absolutely nonnegotiable.
I thought about that bill a lot since 2007 and have been thinking about it ever since. I believe after 1986 we gave amnesty and citizenship with the promise of enforcement, and that didn't happen. We promised it wouldn't happen again and that we wouldn't do another amnesty.
This was supposed to be a one-time amnesty which wouldn't happen again. It was supposed to be the clear policy of the United States that if someone entered the country illegally, that person would not get every single thing America could provide, and we would not provide such benefits as would be provided to people who entered lawfully. I don't believe we should--and certainly are not required--to provide citizenship to somebody who entered the country unlawfully. It is just not required.
I thought attacking Senator Cruz's amendment was odd and revealing as the junior Senator from Utah did. It was a surprise to me as far as the intensity of their pushback on that. I don't believe it should happen. I don't think it is the right thing.
So the person would be able to get permanent, legal, resident status; participate in America; and, of course, their children would be citizens; but they can't get everything if they come illegally.
I read a brilliant piece recently by a Yale graduate lawyer, a marine, and he talked about the military. We act as though, if somebody comes into this country illegally, it would be unthinkable that they would be required to move themselves back to where they came from. We tell our military guys all the time to move their families. They get orders to go to west Texas, Alabama, Germany, Japan, and Korea. They spend 18 months in Iraq with their lives on the line. They have to leave their families, and they do it all the time.
So they come to this country under the lawful condition that they can come for so many months--and they volunteer, they sign up. I come in, I get to stay so many years, and I am supposed to go home.
Is this somehow unkind? Is it immoral to expect those people--when their time is up--to go home?
Some of the thinking, which came up in the committee, seemed to be totally oblivious to this fundamental concept. There are certain requirements. They are not allowed to pay a guide to come across the border illegally and 18 months later demand a pathway to citizenship in the United States. It is just not law. I don't know what that is, but it is not law. It is not the way principled policies should be executed.
We are willing to consider and work through a process. For some time I have said we want to be compassionate to those people who have been here a long time and have done well. We can work through it. But when they come through this system, they need to have no doubt that in the future, if they overstay their visa or come into the country illegally, and they are apprehended, they will be deported. If we don't make that commitment intellectually, morally, and legally, then we have guaranteed we will have another amnesty, or fight, and the integrity of our immigration law will be further degraded.
I am glad Senator Lee mentioned that because we have to have an honest debate. We have to have an honest discussion about what is in the national interest of the United States and how immigration fits into that. First and foremost, do we want to have a lawful system or not? Do we want to allow lawlessness to continue in the future? It is not unkind to talk about that.
Prime Minister Cameron, of the UK in London, recently made this remark--they are wrestling with immigration and how to do it the right way in the United Kingdom. He says:
There are those who say you can't have a sensible debate
because it is somehow wrong to express concerns about
immigration. Now I think that is nonsense.
I think we can have a sensible discussion about it when we ask about how many people will come, what skills they should possess, and what America would benefit from most with the immigrants we have coming to our country; what immigrants would be most likely to be successful, flourish, and do well.
We have had statistics established that people who come with about 2 years of college and speak English almost always do very well, but people who come without high school diplomas don't do as well. If we cannot accept everybody, we ought to think about and try to develop a system which allows people who can be the most successful to take advantage of America. That would be helpful.
Prime Minister Cameron goes on to say:
While I've always believed in the benefits of migration and
immigration, I've also always believed that immigration has
to be properly controlled. Without proper controls, community
confidence is sapped, resources are stretched and the
benefits that immigration can bring are lost or forgotten.
I think that is somewhat in line with the points the Senator from Utah was making.
I see the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Senator Leahy, who has wrestled with these issues longer than I have. He conducted a markup which allowed a large number of amendments. Unfortunately, some of the members, even though they liked their amendments, wouldn't agree to vote for them. We have a process that allowed some airing of the details of the bill, and a lot of amendments were offered.
I thank Senator Lee for participating in this discussion and coming to the Senate with fresh ideas, enthusiasm, and passion for America, the rule of law, the proper functioning of our branches of government, and the classical constitutional heritage of this Nation. I am honored to serve with my distinguished colleague.
I yield the floor.
Madam President, I ask unanimous consent that the order for the quorum call be rescinded.
Madam President, as we begin to discuss this legislation, the immigration bill that is before us, a lot of people have not realized it is coming up. A lot of people do not realize the breadth of it and a lot of people are concerned about it. We have gotten a lot of phone calls in my office. People are wondering who is speaking up about the bill and they want to know what is in the bill. So I think that is a big part of what we should be doing in the days to come--going over the bill in a careful way concerning any progress the bill makes and any deficiencies the legislation has.
As I noted previously, the fundamental challenge we must recognize-- based on the way Congress works and the difficulty it has had with these issues over the last number of years--is that we have to be sure that once the amnesty is granted that there is enforcement in the future.
In 1986, that bill, as Senator Grassley has so passionately delineated--he voted for it. Amnesty was given to 3 million people, but the enforcement never occurred, and now we have 11 million people here illegally. This cannot happen again. If we allow this to happen again, we will have eviscerated any ability we have to ask people to comply with the law because people who do not comply with the law are not held to account.
There is nothing wrong with saying a person can come to America under certain conditions for certain periods of time and then they must leave. If they do not leave, and they are apprehended, they should be deported. We are in a condition today where nobody is being deported.
Ask your law officers in whatever city and county you are in--and this has been going on since before President Obama took office--if they catch somebody who was speeding in their town in Alabama or Indiana or Colorado and they discover they are here illegally what happens. Isn't this a fundamental question?
What happens is they turn them loose--you ask them, your law officers--because nobody will come and get them. The Federal Government has reached a point now where virtually no one is being deported except those convicted of serious crimes.
It has led to the ICE union--the Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers who deal with deportations and arrests--these officers voting no confidence in the head of the ICE Department, John Morton--the head man, John Morton, no confidence.
I never heard of it. Then, in addition, they have opposed the bill. They said it makes things worse. It will diminish America's national security. And it will not make the law better. So we have the association, the union for customs--Citizenship and Immigration Services, which deals with the citizenship processing--they have opposed the bill. They say it will make the situation worse than present law, which is not being enforced today.
That is what we are wrestling with here overall. I know the American people need to get alerted to this.
We have been told by the supporters of the legislation: Do not worry--we are going to have the toughest enforcement legislation in history. Senator Schumer said: ``Tough as nails.'' ``The toughest ever.'' Well, this is not in the bill.
So what happened in 1987 was that once the amnesty was given, everybody forgot in the future to worry about enforcement. Enforcement just did not happen. It is going to happen again. That is exactly what is going to happen again.
The people who are concerned about the legislation and are objecting to this legislation are not against immigration. We allow 1 million people to come into the country legally every year--more than any other country in the world. We are not trying to stop that. What we are trying to say is that you need a good future now for immigration, and you need to be sure it is enforceable.
More people want to come to this great land than can come here. I do not blame them for wanting to come here. If somebody convinces them that the American people or the American Government does not care if they come illegally and stay here and eventually they will be given citizenship, why should they not come illegally?
So we have to have a national consensus that as we treat compassionately people who have been here a long time and have been good people and we try be generous there, that we do not create a further flow of illegal immigration. We have been warned of what will happen by governmental experts. We have to have a national consensus that we tighten up the enforcement mechanisms that are so clearly broken today. So that is the fundamental principle of what we are about. I am going to mention some of that now. We will talk about more of those problems in the future.
The whole fundamental principle is that we need to create a lawful system of immigration that works in the future as well as today. Our sponsors, the Gang of 8, have said that is what they have. They have told us their bill does that. They say: Our bill will end the illegality at the border. They say they are going to have strong enforcement on visa violations, which is really not true. They say they have guaranteed enforcement at the workplace. That one has some benefits, but the way they have done it, it delays it longer than it should be. It creates some changes there. But good workforce enforcement would be a step forward. Then they claim they have mechanisms that lead to removal of dangerous people from the country-- all of which I have to say is fundamentally not accurate. So they acknowledge what needs to be done.
So the Members of the Senate and the Members of Congress and the American people need to be asking: Does this bill do what has been promised? If it does, we may be on the track to doing something good. But if it does not, it needs to be rejected.
We cannot go down the path of amnesty now and another massive illegality in the future. We cannot do that. We have to do the right thing. Isn't that the right thing? Our sponsors of the bill say it. They promised this is going to be ``as tough as nails,'' ``the toughest bill ever.''
Well, I can tell you with absolute confidence that it is not as strong as the bill in 2007 that was voted down and rejected. It is weaker than that was. It is weaker than current law in so many important areas.
You say: Well, you can say that, Jeff. It is not true.
It is true. Fundamentally, we will show that the legislation is not where it needs to be. Even Senator Rubio is saying he will not vote for the bill itself. He is one of the Gang of 8 who wrote it, but he says there are enough loopholes that he would not vote for it now. It has to be reformed. It absolutely has to be reformed, there is no doubt about that. But the problem is, except for Senator Rubio, I guess the Gang of 8 agreed to stick together and had no real amendments passed. They did that in the committee. We had a committee process. We had a lot of amendments offered. They stuck together and voted down all of the amendments that were significant. A lot of smaller amendments were passed. But, you know, Senator Schumer apparently said: Well, the Republicans have a pass on this vote. That means, did the Republicans on the Gang of 8, those Members--were they allowed to vote their conscience or were they still expected to be voting like the Gang of 8, who signed in blood to vote? They gave them a pass on a few votes. So this is not a way to do the public's business. It is just not.
One thing I think I do believe is important for us to understand--and I have been wrestling with this for a long time. I have been a Federal prosecutor. I will tell you that we can make the system work. A lot of people think it is just hopeless, that we cannot make the system work. Not so. We have made some progress at the border. If we had really strong leadership, were really effective in identifying where the gaps are, in moving resources and stepping up our fencing and our equipment, we could see real progress at the border--real progress.
A lot of it is math, I would say from my law enforcement experience. If you add more police officers and crime rates are going down, then you have more police officers per criminal, per crime. You have more ability to drive down crime in a virtual cycle. So we added, after 2007, a number of Border Patrol officers. President Obama claims credit for it, but he did not have credit. It happened before he took office. They were hiring into his term, I am sure, but it was passed before he took office. So we have more people there. We have fewer illegal immigrants for a whole lot of reasons. And then if you have more officers per illegal immigrant, you can do better at the border.
Secondly, biometrics. Entry-exit visas have been required by six different pieces of congressional legislation. It was recommended by the 9/11 Commission.
When people come into the country, they have a fingerprint taken and they are admitted into the country. What we are not doing is verifying that they ever leave the country. We know that most of the 9/11 attackers came on a visa. People do not know if they are legal or overstaying or have ever left.
It is easy. They said it is going to cost billions of dollars--$25 billion to do this. One of our Gang of 8 said that in the committee. It is not going to cost $25 billion. We discovered, I believe, a 2009 report issued by the Department of Homeland Security. That report discovered that you could easily identify people when they depart the country. One of the complaints is that we have to build all of these new buildings and structures and so forth. But when you leave, all you have to do is put your finger on a fingerprint-recording machine and it leaves your fingerprint. It identifies you. What they found was that in Atlanta when they were doing this, like 20,000 or 25,000, I believe, were exiting, and over 100 were hits from the watch list. Some of them had felony warrants out. Some of them were on the terrorist list. That is a large number. It did not cost much money and was not hard to do. So that could be done.
We can absolutely make the workplace secure by using an E-Verify system at all employment places. That is the key.
So there are things we do. Fundamentally, we can make the system work. Unfortunately, the promises made in this legislation do not do it. What would happen under this bill is that Secretary Napolitano, after the enforcement officially stopped, must give two reports to Congress within 6 months--two reports. Not do anything--two reports. Then all the people here illegally will be given provisional status, be legal, get a Social Security card, and have the ability to work. So there are no real actions that have to occur at the border or anyplace else. That is the fundamental flaw we have to deal with. But the American people are saying it: First deal with the illegality and then let's talk about how to be compassionate for people who have been here for a long time. But the more troubling issue that has not been fully discussed, the other half of the immigration equation, is interior enforcement. The bill further weakens an already decimated interior enforcement system.
Immigration reform will never work. This bill will never work unless the
U.S. immigration and customs officers are given the resources and the authority they need to do their job. It will not work. Their morale has plummeted because their leadership has blocked them from enforcing plain law. They have virtually the lowest morale rating of any agency in government. Over a year ago, I asked Secretary Napolitano was she not concerned about it and would she meet with the ICE agents and determine what the problem was? So she came back. I asked her had she met with them. No. They voted no confidence in their supervisor, John Morton. They have written us a long letter detailing the failures in this bill, saying it will make it worse than current law and will leave this country more insecure than we are.
It is really remarkable. But they have to be allowed to be a part of the game. It cannot be the policy of the United States of America that if someone gets into the country illegally, they are home free; if they get past the Border Patrol at the border, nobody will ever deport them. That is what we are doing now unless they are convicted of a serious felony. Nobody is being deported.
So you say: Well, people have been here a long time. We do not want to start deporting people. We are about to give them amnesty. But the bill, if passed, assumes everybody has been given amnesty. The bill assumes that everybody has been given permanent legal status or legal status, which is basically a guaranteed permanent status in the country. They will be given a Social Security card, identification, and the right to work anywhere.
So what about people who come illegally after that? Are we never going to enforce the law again if other people come illegally, overstay visas, come through the border, stow away on ships? We have to know that it is going to be fixed.
It cannot be that if somebody gets past the border, nobody will ever apprehend them and make them be deported because they shouldn't be here. You are not entitled to come to America illegally and then protest when you are apprehended: Oh, no, I have a right to be here. I have been here for 18 months. You cannot deport me.
Once this amnesty occurs, we have to know that we have the mechanism in place to do the job that immigration enforcement at a minimum requires. I think that is so important.
Chris Crane, the president of the ICE officers union, an ICE officer himself, and a former marine, explained the situation in his testimony before the House of Representatives recently.
Agents report that if they encounter suspected illegal
aliens in public--
I am talking about Federal agents, ICE agents, immigration agents--
they cannot arrest them.
They cannot arrest them.
The day-to-day duties of ICE agents and officers often seem
in conflict with the law as ICE officers are prohibited from
enforcing many laws enacted by Congress; laws they took an
oath to enforce. . . . ICE is now guided in large part by
influences of powerful special interest groups that advocate
on behalf of illegal aliens.
Does that not cause any concern? We have to deal with this. We have to get our ICE people off the mat and into the game.
He also testified:
Morale is at an all-time low as criminal aliens are
released to the streets.
Criminal aliens. He is not talking about people who violate the immigration law; he is talking about aliens who committed crimes such as drug offenses and assault.
Continuing:
Criminal aliens are released to the streets and ICE instead
takes disciplinary--
He is talking about his supervisors--
actions against its own officers for making lawful arrests. .
. . It appears clear that Federal law enforcement officers
are the enemy and not those who break our Nation's laws.
He is saying that the supervisors are punishing the ICE officers who actually go out and arrest people because they have set a policy not to enforce the law of the United States. People may not think that is true, but it is absolutely a fact that we have basically made it impossible to enforce the law, and that has come from Secretary Napolitano right on down. That is why she doesn't want to meet with them--because she doesn't have an answer. She is telling them and her deputy is telling them not to enforce the law.
Mr. Crane further testified:
If an alien is arrested by local police and placed in jail,
again, ICE agents may not arrest them for illegal entry or
VISA overstay . . . New policies require that illegal aliens
have a felony arrest or conviction or be convicted of three
or more misdemeanors . . . So, many illegal aliens with
criminal convictions are also now untouchable.
That is the reality of law enforcement in this country. It is very, very serious. This is a sad state of affairs, no doubt about it.
Were these officers consulted when the Gang of 8 wrote the bill? They tell us they have a bill that is going to work to end the lawlessness in America in the future, but did they ever consult with the people who are out there trying to enforce the law now to get their ideas about how to make the system work better in the future? Do they have new provisions in the bill that give our ICE agents, Border Patrol agents, and citizen immigration officers more authority to do their job? No.
The bill actually gives more discretion to the Secretary to eviscerate enforcement by not having to enforce plain law. There are a number of provisions in the Code that say that if somebody is arrested and they are due to be deported, they shall be deported. That is the law. Well, they are not doing that.
I don't think this is, frankly, just loophole or failure of attention. I don't think the Gang of 8 was really on top of all of the details of the legislation. I think they spent most of their time consulting with Mr. Trumka at the AFL-CIO, Mr. Donohue at the chamber of commerce, La Raza, the immigration lawyers association, the meat packers, and the grocery folks or the big agribusinesses. That is whom they have been talking with, the computer gurus demanding more and more. They didn't focus on this.
The people who are actually in there writing it--the immigration lawyers, the chamber of commerce, the union lawyers, and all who have been working on this bill--they knew what they were doing. These scribes, these drafters of the legislation I believe fully understood what it meant. Under this bill, amnesty will occur at once, just as it did in 1987, and like then, we get a mere promise of enforcement in the future--a mere promise. Far from making our laws tougher, as the Gang of 8 has promised and as we need to do, the enforcement of laws is greatly weakened in a whole number of significant areas.
Ladies and gentlemen, the drafters of the bill will have received what they want. They will have received amnesty for the 11 million. They will get a dramatic increase in the flow of workers and low- skilled workers into America. That is what they want. They are not interested in future enforcement. In fact, many of them felt as though the big increases in immigration in the future aren't enough, so they have no objection to illegal immigration, it seems, or they would have put a lot more intention in drafting a legislation that would have improved the illegal system.
This bill fails. We will go into more detail about it as time goes by. This bill still fails as a matter of law enforcement. That is going to be clear.
I am looking at a new piece of legislation introduced by Trey Gowdy, who is the chairman of the House subcommittee. He is a former prosecutor, a Federal prosecutor, 6 years as assistant U.S. attorney. He is a real prosecutor who understands how the system works. Mr. Gowdy has put together a good bill. He says this: ``robust internal immigration enforcement.'' That is what the ICE agents do in Denver, in Memphis, and in Indianapolis.
Robust internal immigration enforcement, paired with border
security, is our safeguard against repeating the mistakes of
1986. The SAFE Act is a critical step in our efforts to fix
our broken immigration system and ensures we will not be
having this conversation again in 10, 20, or 30 years.
It ensures we won't be back here with another amnesty demand because we have enforced the law.
He has put together some good principles that are not in this bill. First, it grants states and localities the authority to enforce immigration laws. The Supreme Court says: You can't do that, it is unconstitutional. Not so. The Supreme Court says the U.S. Congress, by
the way it passed this legislation, preempted local enforcement in a lot of areas. They couldn't participate because when Attorney General Holder tells the Federal agents not to enforce the laws, State people can't enforce them either, basically. Attorney General Holder says we are not enforcing these laws. Secretary Napolitano: We are not enforcing these laws. Then the State can't do it because it is totally preempted, essentially, by the Federal Government, except for peripheral areas, like a business can't get a business license if it knowingly hires illegal workers. That is probably a State issue.
Well, it is just a matter of Congress's actions. Mr. Gowdy would explicitly allow help from State and local officers.
Now, let's get this straight. If a police officer in Alabama arrests somebody who is in the country illegally, they cannot prosecute them. They can only hold them for a short period of time. All they can do is turn them over to Federal officials. That is clear. Mr. Gowdy doesn't change that, really. The fundamental thing is that they could do that. That is the way the system works.
What we need to be thinking about is, don't we have to have local law enforcement to be participants in any system that guarantees legality? There are 600,000 State and local law enforcement officers. There are 5,000 interior Federal immigration officers, 5,000 ICE officers, and many of them have other duties. It is our local police and sheriffs who are out on the highways and State troopers who are out there every day coming in touch with thousands of people, and they are the ones who identify people here illegally.
When the Attorney General and the Secretary of Homeland Security rejected agreements for State and Federal officers to have their assistance in identifying people here, they knew what they were doing. They were effectively eliminating the identification of many of the people here illegally. That was a deliberate, calculated act. People need to know it, and it was wrong.
For a good system of immigration for America in the future--remember now, we are talking about after people have been given the amnesty under the bill--the bill should welcome the assistance of State and Federal officers and make up policies that will help with that.
The Gowdy bill would protect American communities from dangerous criminals by facilitating and expediting the removal of criminal aliens. This has been delayed. It is not working effectively. It is costing us a lot of money. If someone is here illegally and has been convicted a felony, they ought to be removed and there ought not to be a big deal about it. How much trouble is that? His bill would speed that up and make the system work better.
It improves visa security.
It helps the ICE agents do a better job. It assists the ICE officers in carrying out their jobs by enforcing Federal immigration laws, by allowing them to make arrests. They basically are being prohibited from making arrests today--can you believe it--for Federal felonies, for Federal criminal offenses, for bringing in and harboring unlawful aliens. The officers need to be able to enforce those laws.
It strengthens border security in a number of ways.
It reviews the prosecutorial authority that basically is a directive not to follow the law, not to enforce the law that is out there.
It strengthens national security in quite a number of ways.
This is a good piece of legislation. He knew what he was doing. He drafted something that will make a difference. It will make the law stronger. I would ask my colleagues, why wouldn't you put something like that in the legislation? You say want to have a tough bill. You say your bill is tough.
This will be called to the attention of the bill's sponsors. We will ask for legislation like this to be passed as an amendment to the bill, and we will see if it passes. If it doesn't pass, then we can draw a conclusion that the sponsors of the bill and the people who are promoting the bill don't really want to see the law enforced better in the future than it is today. That would be a sad admission, it seems to me.
To wrap up, this is a great institution, the Senate. I am glad Senator Reid acquiesced to my insistence to at least have the opportunity to begin our discussion today. It is just the beginning. We will begin to talk about the legislation, talk about how to make our system work better, talk about the American people's desire--good and decent people that they are--to be compassionate to the people who have been here for a long time but their insistence that in the process we create a system of lawful immigration in the future so we are not back here.
Again, as I indicated earlier, a poll shows 88 percent of the people said they are angry with their elected officials about failure to enforce the law, whereas only 12 percent said they were angry at people who entered the country illegally. The American people are willing to create a legal status for people who come here illegally. But we need to do it in a way that works. They are demanding we create a system of lawfulness that will work, and we can do it. It is absolutely possible, and that will be demonstrated as we go forward.
We are going to have to change this bill, however, and put some teeth in it and give some real power to our dedicated law officers whose lives are at risk every day out there on the streets. We must give them the backing and the mechanisms in law that allow them to be effective. If we do it right, the whole world will say: Uh-oh, the United States has gotten their act together. The United States is serious about their immigration system being lawful. If you try to enter, they are liable to catch you. If you try to enter, you won't be able to get a job legally. And if you enter and get past the border and hide out in Minneapolis and you get caught, you are going to be deported. So don't try to go there illegally. Apply to go there legally.
We could see a rather dramatic drop in the attempts to enter illegally if we do that. That is what a system of integrity requires. First, people need to know they shouldn't do it, that the United States will enforce this law. They need to know if they come into the country illegally, they will be deported.
I yield the floor, and I suggest the absence of a quorum.