Keep Student Loans Affordable Act Of 2013--Motion To Proceed
Would the Senator yield? I thank the good Senator for working in such a bipartisan manner. I think this truly is a bipartisan bill. This bill has been described as belonging to one party or the other, and that is wrong. Senator Burr,…
Would the Senator yield?
I thank the good Senator for working in such a bipartisan manner. I think this truly is a bipartisan bill.
This bill has been described as belonging to one party or the other, and that is wrong. Senator Burr, Senator Alexander, Senator Coburn, Senator King, Senator Carper, and I sat down and looked at how we could fix something. We looked at it from the standpoint that this deadline has hit. One year ago we extended it. They said it was the political atmosphere and we had to extend it. We knew that year would come and, similar to everything else that has happened here for the last 2 or 3 years, nothing gets done. We just said: Enough is enough. It has to be fixed, and if we want to fix it, to understand the program, we have to look at the whole program.
I think now they are making accusations that students are paying profits so we can pay down the debt. Whether there is profit built in depends on the accounting procedures used by our Federal Government. It was built in. You can blame whomever you want to blame, but it is built into it. We have to deal with the facts in front of us.
What I would ask the Senator, all of us have agreed in a bipartisan manner that no profit will be made on the backs of students, what we can determine through the bill we are working on, right?
So we have all come to that agreement--Democrats and Republicans--no profit in debt reduction. It should go to lowering the rate.
We agreed on that. We have agreed on a long-term fix, 10 years, rather than kicking it down the road another year, knowing another year will come and go and we are probably going to be standing here debating. That is the conclusion we have come to, which is different than what the House sent us. I applaud the Senator for working with us to put in a fixed rate.
So if it is at 3.66 this year and I am able to qualify and I am subsidized at $3,500 of a subsidized loan the taxpayer will be paying, that 3.66 is fixed for the full life of the loan. We agreed on that, correct?
So when they say it is a Republican bill or a Democratic bill, that is erroneous. That is not fair. This is truly a bipartisan effort, and we are working with all of our colleagues in my caucus--and I know the Senator is in his caucus--to understand that if I have a subsidized Stafford loan, that means the Federal Government--the taxpayers of this country--will pay my interest while I am in school, correct?
At the end of that, then I pick up whatever interest rate has accumulated while I was in school, and I take it from that day forward.
What I think a lot of our colleagues don't understand, I can't make it just on that $3,500. I have to borrow more money. So now, if I go with my colleagues on the Democratic side, if I borrow more money, I have to borrow that at 6.8 percent.
We were able, in a bipartisan way, to bring that to 3.66 percent for all undergraduates, correct?
So the money I would have to borrow, even though I qualify because of my income for a subsidized loan, I don't have to pay the interest on an annual basis. So by bringing it down to one low rate, I am making much lower payments. So that is less obligation and less hardship on me as a college student to make that lower payment than it would be to make that higher payment.
We want to help the subsidized, very poor kids. I might be poor, but I can't make it on just what you give me because I am poor. I have to have a little more help. Then, on top of that, I want to go to graduate school after I get my college degree. So then I am at 6.8 again. Ours brings it down to 5.21, which is more savings, which I know the Senator agrees to.
If I may ask my colleague from Tennessee, right now we know we have a
consolidated cap at 8.25 percent. Let's say I graduate and I went to school during the high recession times. At the end, I have an 8.75- percent accumulative interest I owe. I can cap that and consolidate at 8.25, correct?
I think what they are referring to--and I might have misunderstood, but I think I am accurate on this. Everyone will take the loans for the longest period of time, and I just got out of school so I want the smallest payment. Four or five years out I have a better job. Instead of paying $150 a month, I can afford to pay $300 or $400.
There is no penalty for me to shorten that, as it would be in a conventional market. Is that how the Senator understands it?
To both of my friends, let me say that I graduate from college--no matter what the interest rates are, no matter what they might have been--I graduate and economic times are tough. I find a job that is not what I think my value is, but I find a job at $40,000-- $40,000. I am married now, and I have a child or two. Don't we have in our bill a protection which has been in place for a long time--both Democrats and Republicans have supported this protection--which is called income-based repayment? By law, I can only pay 15 percent of my disposable income. I think that breaks down to my payment can only be $142. Isn't that a subsidy too? Wouldn't we be subsidizing that to an extent? I am also understanding that if my economic condition does not improve and that is all I pay, by the end of 25 years it is exonerated. I pay nothing. I am done.
Let me say very quickly--and I will use $10 million hypothetically that is borrowed every year--$10 billion, $10 million, whatever you want to use--25 percent of that money goes to the subsidized, just 25 percent. I understand that it is close to about 40 percent of the students who participate in borrowing money, but the volume of money is about 25 percent, one-fourth of the money that is loaned out. So if we are keeping the rates low on one-fourth of the money, that means we artificially have much higher rates on three- fourths of the money students need to get an education.
What we are saying is that we are going to bring a larger majority of that down to the lowest rate. We think it is a good policy that we should be discussing and talking about. That is where we are. That is why we came up with the plan we did, but we reduced all the rates. The PLUS loans I think went from 7.9 to 6.21, yes, and then the graduate loans went from 6.8 to 5.21.
But if you do all of the undergraduate, it would go from 3.4 to 3.66, a quarter and a point--.26.
Right. Right.
That was the bipartisan agreement we had. I appreciate that very much. Let me say, here is the last 10 years. If we would use the last 10 years, with the bipartisan bill kicked in, this is what the students who basically are paying the higher rate now--6.8 percent frozen--would have been able to take advantage of, the lower rates. They never got a chance to take advantage of the lower rates. All we are assuming is that if rates go up in 3 or 4 years, they are going to be paying higher rates. We never assume the market--that is the reason why you fluctuate with the market on the 10-year T-bill. This would have happened with the 10-year T-bill. Look how much lower they would have been paying in the last 10 years.
I know we can all use figures any way we want to use them, but the bottom line is that it is either going to be market--it has always been that before. There have been caps that have been much higher, and we are trying to find something that is affordable, but the bottom line is, do we try to protect the lowest rate?
Most undergraduates have the hardest times. Once you get your undergraduate degree, you have a much higher percentage of making it. If you want to get a graduate degree and a higher Ph.D. degree, you have a much better chance.
The bottom line is that we want to keep the rates low so that when students go out they are not burdened with the highest payments. We have a lot of protections built in that a lot of times are misunderstood and are not explained properly, and I am glad we are having this colloquy.
Yes.
Would the Senator yield?
I am not sure how the Senator voted on the extension a year ago. I voted for the extension a year ago.
I don't intend to vote on the extension again because we have not fixed it. By voting on this extension, what we are voting on is 3.4 percent just for the subsidized, and everybody will be at 6.8 percent, and 7.9 percent for PLUS loans.
When my colleague is talking about that, the difference of savings between our bill--if we got a vote on our bill, which is a compromised, bipartisan bill, we would save close to $9 billion in
interest that students wouldn't have to pay. I believe we agree on that.
I think we are going to have a chance to vote on one bill, and that is about $2 billion. In West Virginia that is a lot of money in savings of $7 billion that students don't have to pay in interest, which is across the board for students who have subsidized and unsubsidized loans. That is the point we are trying to make, and we hope we get that through.
I know the Senator hopes, as I do, that we get a vote on this today.
I believe Senator Burr has the floor.
Was that for every student who was in college at that time no matter what their ranking or what service they had performed in the military or whether they had the GI bill?
Everybody in college during that period of time could borrow at the low rate of 2 percent with no interest at all?
Maybe Congress did a better job of getting its financial house in order than we have.
I have one question that I would like to ask in the spirit of a colloquy to my dear friend from Iowa. They are saying 1 year, and they are looking at the compromised, bipartisan bill we have worked on. In 3 or 4 years the rates may go up because market rates will change. If we are only looking at 1 year, is there anything prohibitive in our bill that we couldn't go back a year from now if we see a better solution? If we get an education bill, we can say: Hey, here is the grand bargain, which is better than what we thought we had.
Still yet, our bill saves $9 billion, and the bill my dear friends in my caucus support only saves $2 billion. If we only do it for 1 year, we help more people save more money, and then we can still rewrite another bill in 1 year. Are we able to do that?
If we look at it from year to year, we have 3.4 percent for the smallest group, 6.8 percent for everybody above that, and 7.9 percent for PLUS.
Under our bill, it is 3.66 percent for all undergraduates, and every rate comes down; correct?
So that is $9 billion versus $2 billion, and that is about as simple as I can make it.
I think what we are talking about also is that they are saying if it consolidates, it strings the payment out for the maximum of 30 years, which means they are paying a lot more back in interest; correct? That is the argument I have heard from different people. So that means, why would you have an automatic consolidation?
With that being said, I understand that with the government-run loan right now, there are no penalties for me. If I string it out to get the lowest payment for 30 years, and then I said I want to have 10 years, I can do that; correct? That is able to be done. So I can reduce that amount of time and amount of interest with my affordability to pay more.