Mr. President, I call up my amendment. Mr. President, I have the floor. Mr. President, don't I have a right to be heard before the point of order is raised? I was recognized. Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, Senator McCain and I…
Mr. President, I call up my amendment.
Mr. President, I have the floor.
Mr. President, don't I have a right to be heard before the point of order is raised? I was recognized.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Mr. President, Senator McCain and I understand that our amendment is going to be ruled nongermane. Previously, it was going to be ruled germane. Since then some items were pointed out that has caused the amendment to be ruled as nongermane. Despite that fact, I would hope that the managers of the bill will work in conference to clarify the language of this bill. I know the chairman of the Rules Committee has said that he will review this language. I believe he will. Our amendment seeks to clarify that if things are put into a conference report that were not in either the House bill or the Senate bill, a Senator would have the chance to take those items out without taking down the entire conference report. One section of this bill creates a new point of order against items that are slipped into conference reports. The provisions in the bill seek to address what has become a very significant problem around here. A member slips something in, without debate. That certainly is not an open process. The purpose of this lobbying reform bill is to make sure there is more transparency and our amendment is consistent with that.
The way the bill is drafted, there is a problem. The bill uses the term matter without providing a definition or examples of anything that would be considered a matter.
According to our discussions with the Parliamentarian, that definition would not allow a point of order to be raised because there could be no way for the Parliamentarian to interpret the new rule. This point of order would basically be null-and-void.
Our amendment was attempting to clarify the bill by providing a definition. That way we will ensure that we have openness in the process of conference reports. That certainly is the purpose of our bill and of our amendment.
Without losing my right to the floor, I ask the chairman if he would submit to a question through the Chair. I ask the chairman of the Rules Committee if he would commit to working on this definition in conference so that it will meet with the criteria stated by the Parliamentarian to give effect to the rule. That way the provisions of this bill will meet with the intent of what
the Chairman said in his previous statement.
Mr. President, very simply, I will let people know what the intent is. I have worked with Senator McCain. I applaud his efforts. He has been doing this a lot longer than I have.
All we are trying to do is say if something was not in the Senate bill, not in the House bill, and it was put in, in the conference, a point of order could be raised against that item without bringing an entire bill down.
Right now nobody wants to raise a point of order against a bill because they don't want to bring the whole bill down. Senators know we have to fund the Government, so nobody wants to bring a point of order against a bill that does that. Nobody wants to vote on a point of order that brings down the whole bill either. But if something was put in which was not in the House bill and not in the Senate bill, we want to be able to surgically strike that provision to make sure that we have a cleaner process in government. This is not new ground as the Senate already has this rule with respect to Budget reconciliation bills.
I will yield for a question without losing my right to the floor.
Mr. President, those and many other things have been put in. Sometimes good things are put in. But that is not the way the legislative process is supposed to work. We are supposed to have an open process. Senators should be able to see what is in a bill. We should provide transparency so that the public can scrutinize what is going on. The current process is broken when we are forced to enact provisions that were not in either one of the bills.
Mr. President, I will yield to the Senator from Connecticut for a question without losing my right to the floor.
I yield for a question.
I agree with the Senator from Arizona. I appreciate the manager of the bill when he said he would work with us. I wanted it on the record that the managers have committed to working with us to ensure that the intent of the bill is clear. Which is exactly what our amendment seeks to do. The bill managers have put it on the record that it is their intent. We hope in this process, as this bill moves forward, that the language that is ultimately adopted will include some kind of a definition, as we have tried to do, so that the intent of the Senate is clear. It needs to be done. We need to clean up the appropriations process we have going on in the Senate.
I don't see any reason to raise a point of order. I think it would be easier to ask unanimous consent to withdraw the amendment.
If the Senator could give me 60 seconds.
I call up amendment No. 2980.
Mr. President, let me discuss this amendment very briefly. I want to be cooperative with the managers of the bill. I know they want to wrap up this legislation.
This amendment is germane. We will have a recorded vote on this particular amendment, unless the chairman of the Committee on Appropriations agrees to a voice vote that we would win.
Section 103 of this bill creates a new Senate rule. Each Senator knows that we create very few new Senate rules because the rules we create are hard to change once created. The rules we make today will govern the Senate's conduct for years to come. It is important we get language right the first time so we do not have any unintended consequences.
Within the proposed rule in this bill is a definition of the term ``earmark.'' Many people in my home State of Nevada have heard the phrase earmark, as people across the country have. As taxpayers, Nevadans understand some earmarks can be costly, some can be beneficial. Earmarks are often the result of Senators using their influence
to require Federal agencies to spend significant dollars in their States. In some cases, earmarks are given to State or local governments or charitable or philanthropic organizations. In many cases, these earmarks are justifiable. In many cases, these earmarks have a national impact and can be justified because they meet a national purpose.
Each Senator has seen the abuse of the earmark process. That is why we have offered this amendment. To clear up abuses. Our amendment provides a clear definition of what an earmark is. Our definition clarifies that earmarks are not limited solely to non-Federal entities. The definition also includes Federal entities. Spending for federal, as well as non-Federal, entities in the earmarking process can be abused.
The Senator from Mississippi argued earlier it is a Senator's right to offer things that are good for their State. Senators have ideas about how money should be spent. I actually have no problem with that philosophy. I agree to a great degree with that philosophy. The problem is that such a process has been abused in too many cases. For instance, the military provides a procurement list to the Armed Services Committee that includes lists of things the military says they need. In order to benefit their state, Senators will contradict the decisions of the military and override the military's request. They ignore what is in the best interest of the military in order to benefit their State. Military is a Federal project but this bill does not provide accountability. This bill would continue to allow Senators to put their political interests before the needs of the military.
That is why our amendment expands the definition of earmark to both Federal and not just non-Federal entities. That is why we should support this amendment.
I yield.
I would say to the Senator from Mississippi, if one Senator were to raise a point of order against the item you have described, the process laid out in this bill would be to have the entire Senate decide the matter. If the rest of the Senate believes that the additional helicopters are justifiable, then the----
I will give the Senate a more specific example. I will not use the exact example I had mentioned to the Senator from Mississippi previously because I don't think it is appropriate to discuss specifics like this on the Senate floor. The military tells Congress that they need certain items for the troops. They want something produced. Perhaps similar products are produced in different States so there are competing products. The military has said, We like this item made by one company, it is far superior. What is happening today is that some members, perhaps one on the Military Subcommittee on Appropriations, who represent a state with a similar product will use their influence to direct spending to products made in their own State. Even though the Pentagon says we like product A, Congress tells them they must buy product B. When the bill comes back from conference, spending gets shifted. Spending is earmarked to go to one product instead of for a product that the military said would be best for our fighting men and women.
That is exactly some of the things we are trying to avoid.
It would allow for the designation to continue.
I would say to the Senator from Mississippi, this amendment does not affect the point of order in the bill. I apologize if I was unclear on that. This amendment affects the requirement that Senators be given a report that identifies which members have requested which earmarks. It requires that all earmarks be included in that report. That is all this amendment is doing. We want Members, if they are going to request earmarks and redirect spending, to be identified. If they want to direct spending to go to their State, they should be willing to be identified. This is a simple sunshine provision. I yield the floor.
Mr. President, I suggest the absence of a quorum.